1981 Pantera 24 Transom replacement

[rchevelle71]

Started derigging the boat today

[rchevelle71]

My little 1 car garage is kinda small, had built a mount for it when I planned on storing the motor with the lower installed, but had to re engineer, if you look at the last pic. there is a motor in there somewhere?? will be yanking the tabs etc. off tomorrow.

[fast fun 2]

Good luck bud, she deserves it:cheers: Throw a set of k planes on it too:D

[rchevelle71]

Good luck bud, she deserves it:cheers: Throw a set of k planes on it too:D

Thanks,
Wish I had the $$ for the K-planes

[fast fun 2]

Thanks,
Wish I had the $$ for the K-planes
I hear ya, there rediculous.

[waytooslow]

Kinda off topic but do you know of a 24' center console SOB boat built on a deep vee hull like the Partera. Really like the hull style but feel like a center console would be a great all arond hose it out boat. Thanks Todd

[1fastg3]

Thanks,
Wish I had the $$ for the K-planes
what size a the ssr super swamper ?

[rchevelle71]

Kinda off topic but do you know of a 24' center console SOB boat built on a deep vee hull like the Partera. Really like the hull style but feel like a center console would be a great all arond hose it out boat. Thanks Todd

Pantera will build you one, Jaws made one, Superboat etc, all based on the same hull.

[rchevelle71]

what size a the ssr super swamper ?

285's they go on my Z-71, I switch back and forth from them to the stockers, they are mounted on M/T wheels, nice package.

[1fastg3]

I need a set Of 37's

[rchevelle71]

Got the Aluminum plate off yesteray, was a bear, there was some hidden screws in there, and yes the transom is mush. Will be digging deeper next weekend.

[AirRide]

Got the Aluminum plate off yesteray, was a bear, there was some hidden screws in there, and yes the transom is mush. Will be digging deeper next weekend.Good thing you didn't sell it, like you were going to, huh...lol:)

[rchevelle71]

Good thing you didn't sell it, like you were going to, huh...lol:)


Every time I have advertised it, it was put up with "could use transom replaced", It was fine with the plate, but not for me, gotta be done right.

[Dave S]

I have a 1974 SB.... Jet.....the transomewas riddled with holes.....4 ExhAUST.per side and a jet pump inthe center.:p sHIFIT cHANGE:eek: tHE Boat Is nEAT nOw:thumbsup: dAmM cOMPUtERS:leaving: jUST cLEaN oUT tHE RoTT aND gET iT OnTHe wATre:cheers: hAppY BoAtIn:leaving::leaving:G

[fast fun 2]

Good thing you didn't sell it, like you were going to, huh...lol:)
It was advertised properly

[21eagle]

he most def advertised it as needing transom work when i was looking at it boat never was misrepresented good luck with the work always liked the job you did on the boat chris

[rchevelle71]

Thanks guys, I am proud of my boat, and will be even more proud once the transom/glasswork is done, but would never misrepresent it, I have made a few motor mistakes along the way, but thats cuz I am new to this outboard stuff.

[fast fun 2]

I see twins in your future :D

[rchevelle71]

I see twins in your future :D

Dont tell my wife that:eek:

Actually, I would prefer a big single, but $$ constraints are keeping me at 250 for now, if you are referring to the 250 opti question, its just cuz the price is right , and fuel mileage would be much better.

[fast fun 2]

ACtually, a verado would be pretty cool on this. Cant weigh more than twins, and has plenty of grunt..although its bulky

[[email protected]]

I see twins in your future :D:iagree:

[rchevelle71]

:iagree:

If the economy was a little better, and the boat werent already rigged for a single, then I would. Have talked to a few peoplewith twins on a 24(down your way), and they werent running much better than I already do, in fact one was only running 50 with twin 150's:confused:

[rchevelle71]

got all of the sealer cleaned off the transom yesterday, and got ready to cut.

[rchevelle71]

Started the cutting, just have to cut the seam where the deck is attached to the hull.

[rchevelle71]

Got the deck portion off, and started removing the muck.

[rchevelle71]

Got the wood out this weekend.:D I counted 48 previous repairs, look at all thm dowels:eek:

[fast fun 2]

Stringers good?

[AirRide]

How will you be clamping the new transom in place, as it dry's? What material will you be bedding it in?

[Sheer Insanity]

Comming along nicely.

[rchevelle71]

Stringers good?

Actually, they are good, I will be cutting them back a bit though, to splice in the new knees.

[rchevelle71]

How will you be clamping the new transom in place, as it dry's? What material will you be bedding it in?

I was planning on using 2x4's on the outside, and inside, through bolted through the motor holes. As far as bedding, It will be some sort of paste of Vinylester resin, and either wood flour, or Cabosil, havent decided yet. All wood to be used will be marine grade douglas fir, vinyl ester resin, and 1708 glass.

[rchevelle71]

Comming along nicely.

Thanks,

can't wait to run it again. Dont think I am going to make the run this weekend, my wife made a Vet appointment for the dog, and since he is getting snipped, I should be there. We will meet up this summer some time when I get this thing back together. I have access to a place in Bonita, so maybe we will come over your way, and you can show me aroound.

Rick

[Sheer Insanity]

Thanks,

can't wait to run it again. Dont think I am going to make the run this weekend, my wife made a Vet appointment for the dog, and since he is getting snipped, I should be there. We will meet up this summer some time when I get this thing back together. I have access to a place in Bonita, so maybe we will come over your way, and you can show me aroound.

Rick

Dont worry. I don't think im going to go anyway. I just can't justify spending 200-250 bucks to be unconfortable in the cold all day.. It sucks and I was looking forward to it!

[AirRide]

I was planning on using 2x4's on the outside, and inside, through bolted through the motor holes. As far as bedding, It will be some sort of paste of Vinylester resin, and either wood flour, or Cabosil, havent decided yet. All wood to be used will be marine grade douglas fir, vinyl ester resin, and 1708 glass.Just so you know, vinylester resin makes terrible putty. If you insist on making your own pasta(what the Cubans call it), use regular G.P.(general purpose) polyester resin. You won't regret it. DO NOT use sawdust(wood flour?) as a thickener. Ideally, you want to use mostly micro-balloons(microspheres, Q-cells) & cabosil, and a "very" small amount of milled fiber. Mix it well in a 5-gallon bucket with a 1/2" drill metal paint mixer. Use a slow cure catylist. Kick a small test batch or two to get an idea of how much time you will have. Putty, because of its mass, creates a LOT more heat, faster...than a regular resin mix. Guess your motor bolt hole idea will work o.k. You can also cut double opposing wood wedges to hammer in place between the backs of each stringer and the new transom wood. I would also drill about 30 1/8" random holes through the new transom wood, to let the putty push through. This sets it better & allows you to get more air out from behind it. Maybe you could place the new sterneye holes, and use those to snug it up as well, with bolts. Preparation is everything.:thumbsup:

[rchevelle71]

Just so you know, vinylester resin makes terrible putty. If you insist on making your own pasta(what the Cubans call it), use regular G.P.(general purpose) polyester resin. You won't regret it. DO NOT use sawdust(wood flour?) as a thickener. Ideally, you want to use mostly micro-balloons(microspheres, Q-cells) & cabosil, and a "very" small amount of milled fiber. Mix it well in a 5-gallon bucket with a 1/2" drill metal paint mixer. Use a slow cure catylist. Kick a small test batch or two to get an idea of how much time you will have. Putty, because of its mass, creates a LOT more heat, faster...than a regular resin mix. Guess your motor bolt hole idea will work o.k. You can also cut double opposing wood wedges to hammer in place between the backs of each stringer and the new transom wood. I would also drill about 30 1/8" random holes through the new transom wood, to let the putty push through. This sets it better & allows you to get more air out from behind it. Maybe you could place the new sterneye holes, and use those to snug it up as well, with bolts. Preparation is everything.:thumbsup:

OK,

Good advice on the pasta:D, I will pick up a little GP also, or what would you suggest instead? I thought about the wedges for the bottom also. Not sure about the random holes, dont want to risk any voids later, the stern eyes may not be going back in, so I will hold off on drilling them.

[modvp]

Would epoxy resin make a better bonding/repair agent when doing repair work with already cured materials?

[rchevelle71]

Would epoxy resin make a better bonding/repair agent when doing repair work with already cured materials?

Probably, but Gelcoat is polyester, and I have heard not to spray it on Epoxy. Also Epoxy is quite a bit more $$, Vinyl ester is a hybrid, kinda between the 2, has the advantages of both.

[modvp]

Oh okay...that makes sense! Good luck with your project, I've been following your transom build/replacement.

Probably, but Gelcoat is polyester, and I have heard not to spray it on Epoxy. Also Epoxy is quite a bit more $$, Vinyl ester is a hybrid, kinda between the 2, has the advantages of both.

[JrCRXHF]

I had to replace one support on my 24 twister and plug some holes. I did it last summer also used marine plywood with rot treatment in the transom and the new wood.

Looks like you are doing a good job.


Here are some pic's

plugging unused holes.
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http://lh3.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/Sf-RNX1iY7I/AAAAAAAASqw/oVdd9EPJh3Y/s640/DSC_0271.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/Sf-RRm_wh2I/AAAAAAAASrI/71jBMx86Now/s640/DSC_0273.JPG

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http://lh5.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/Sf-i8CrBzOI/AAAAAAAASug/GLasLS3aWY8/s640/DSC_0287.JPG

http://picasaweb.google.com/dhmellema/V8Erude#5336958819126789426

[rchevelle71]

I had to replace one support on my 24 twister and plug some holes. I did it last summer also used marine plywood with rot treatment in the transom and the new wood.

Looks like you are doing a good job.


Here are some pic's

plugging unused holes.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/SgI74N9jkSI/AAAAAAAASyM/ZbeA1Mraq8M/s512/DSC_0302.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/Sf-RNX1iY7I/AAAAAAAASqw/oVdd9EPJh3Y/s640/DSC_0271.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/Sf-RRm_wh2I/AAAAAAAASrI/71jBMx86Now/s640/DSC_0273.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/Sf-RrC5GwpI/AAAAAAAASto/bgnFh-hlLLk/s640/DSC_0286.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_N4yenoX55yI/Sf-i8CrBzOI/AAAAAAAASug/GLasLS3aWY8/s640/DSC_0287.JPG

http://picasaweb.google.com/dhmellema/V8Erude#5336958819126789426

Love your boat, make sure thise plugs are good and sealed, as you can see from the attached picture, the plugs are the only thing that survived in my boat:eek: This is the glass layer that was between the 2 layers of 3/4 ply.

[JrCRXHF]

yeah this was the second boat i have redone. We put get rot in the holes 2 times then covered the plugs with glass and reason along with the holes installed the plugs. Then let them kinda dry and cut the extra off and glassed that over. Then before i put up the stainless i wiped the back with 3m marine stuff and cover all the bolts going in that stuff was every where.

I think it should be pretty water tight but maybe in 4 or 5 years i will do what you are doing and put in a wood free transom out of some carbon panels i have laying around.

[fast fun 2]

Actually, they are good, I will be cutting them back a bit though, to splice in the new knees.
Nice :cheers:

[Fandango]

Coming along nice, best of luck with the rest of it

[AirRide]

OK,

Good advice on the pasta:D, I will pick up a little GP also, or what would you suggest instead? I thought about the wedges for the bottom also. Not sure about the random holes, dont want to risk any voids later, the stern eyes may not be going back in, so I will hold off on drilling them.Any inexpensive GP poly & ester yard resin will be fine, lol. You will have no voids by drilling bleeder holes in your core material(transom wood). Everyone does it. Especially with foam core materials, its a must. The holes will be filled with putty, and come through to the inside. You then use a large 8" grinder with a 24 or 36 grit disc, and grind smooth the entire transom area in preparation for glass. Cut your transom wood so that you are roughly 3" from the top of your transom, and give the inside top edge of the wood a good rounding over, before you put in in. This allows your layers of glass to lay smoothly with no air bubbles, gives you the room needed to bond the hull & deck with glass later, and looks better. Run your multi layers of glass(1708 Biax I guess your using, which is fine) from the very top edge of your old outside glass transom. Its o.k. if excess sticks up. you can just grind the top edge off later. This will also give you some new good material thickness to drive your hull to deck screws through later, also. Fill the sides & bottom with the same pasta, before you grind. You will be grinding & vacuuming a few times, lol. Hope you got some throw-away monkey suits & tape up your sleeves & pant leg bottoms. Have fun.;)

[rchevelle71]

Any inexpensive GP poly & ester yard resin will be fine, lol. You will have no voids by drilling bleeder holes in your core material(transom wood). Everyone does it. Especially with foam core materials, its a must. The holes will be filled with putty, and come through to the inside. You then use a large 8" grinder with a 24 or 36 grit disc, and grind smooth the entire transom area in preparation for glass. Cut your transom wood so that you are roughly 3" from the top of your transom, and give the inside top edge of the wood a good rounding over, before you put in in. This allows your layers of glass to lay smoothly with no air bubbles, gives you the room needed to bond the hull & deck with glass later, and looks better. Run your multi layers of glass(1708 Biax I guess your using, which is fine) from the very top edge of your old outside glass transom. Its o.k. if excess sticks up. you can just grind the top edge off later. This will also give you some new good material thickness to drive your hull to deck screws through later, also. Fill the sides & bottom with the same pasta, before you grind. You will be grinding & vacuuming a few times, lol. Hope you got some throw-away monkey suits & tape up your sleeves & pant leg bottoms. Have fun.;)

Thanks for your input, I guess I probably should get some suits:D

[rchevelle71]

got the wood in yesterday

[rchevelle71]

Glassed and clamped

[AirRide]

When you install your mounting bolts, coated in sealant, that hold your engine bracket on, etc. never turn the bolt to tighten them. Turn the nut only. Two man job.

[rchevelle71]

When you install your mounting bolts, coated in sealant, that hold your engine bracket on, etc. never turn the bolt to tighten them. Turn the nut only. Two man job.

OK,

never thought of that, but makes sense:D

[delawarerick]

Looking good and strong for twins:Dgreat job I thought it would be down alot longer than it seems it will be.:thumbsup:Rick

[AirRide]

Looking good Rick. Don't forget to roll-over that front top edge of your transom wood with a grinder, before you start glassing. Wipe down & vacuum any & all wood dust too. Coming along nice so far.:thumbsup:

[rchevelle71]

Looking good and strong for twins:Dgreat job I thought it would be down alot longer than it seems it will be.:thumbsup:Rick

No Twins, it either goes back as it was, or gets a 300:D

I am not out of the woods yet, got a lot of re configuring to do, should be back by mid summer depending on how far I take the mods.

[rchevelle71]

Looking good Rick. Don't forget to roll-over that front top edge of your transom wood with a grinder, before you start glassing. Wipe down & vacuum any & all wood dust too. Coming along nice so far.:thumbsup:

Took care of the grinding last night after removing the clamps, yup, I am crazy about getting the dust out(just lands on the neighbors cars though:eek:), Should have the tabbing done this weekend, and maybe the knees installed.

[AirRide]

How do you wet out your pieces of glass, during application? Do you brush resin on the subject surface, apply the material, then wet out the material with a brush, or...?

[rchevelle71]

How do you wet out your pieces of glass, during application? Do you brush resin on the subject surface, apply the material, then wet out the material with a brush, or...?

Yes,

I have been wetting the surface, lay the glass, then wet out and roll the glass.

[CDave]

One piece of plywood is enough on that boat that?

[rchevelle71]

One piece of plywood is enough on that boat that?

It is 2 pieces of 3/4 laminated together with a layer of mat in between, same as the factory originally had in there., it will have knees, and a 3rd layer of 3/4 laminated in between the knees, where the motor mounts.

[CDave]

It is 2 pieces of 3/4 laminated together with a layer of mat in between, same as the factory originally had in there., it will have knees, and a 3rd layer of 3/4 laminated in between the knees, where the motor mounts.

OK thought it was one piece of 3/4". :o

[rchevelle71]

OK thought it was one piece of 3/4". :o

You cant really see it in the first pic, but there is clamps holding the 2 pieces together, with the mat in between.

[CDave]

You cant really see it in the first pic, but there is clamps holding the 2 pieces together, with the mat in between.

OK, I see. I was wondering why you put mat on the bottom of the plywood and clamped it on. :D
Guess you can tell I don't work with glass huh. And I can be slow sometimes but I have an excuse. I fell outta my highchair when I was a baby and fractured my skull. So ya see I got it honest. :D

[AirRide]

Yes,

I have been wetting the surface, lay the glass, then wet out and roll the glass.This is what I thought you might be doing. This is the manner in which most people wet out glass, which gives a poorer end result & takes too long. Get yourself a big piece of stiff scrap cardboard. You can bring it into the boat with you, or you can place it outside the boat on a sheet of plywood across two sawhorses. Stack up a couple of your next precut pieces of glass that you want to put in place, on the cardboard. Wet them out on the cardboard. You can be more resin generous this way, which speeds things up. Then just pull & place each piece where you want it, with much less brush work. This method allows you to multi-layer, with excellent immediate results, versus coming back later with a second lamination, after grinding, acetone wash, etc. If you utilize the out-of-boat cardboard route, a helper can wet your pieces of glass & then hand them to you over the transom, which really speeds things up. Another tip, to get your glass work to look like a pro's, is to lay a long narrow strip of mat along the edge of each finished lamination, while everythings still wet. Say 2-4" inches wide...using whatever scrap mat you have laying around. Most of the time your lamination is still so wet, you can simply lay these mat strips down dry and work them with your same 4" throw-away woodchip brush in seconds. Hope this helps.

[rchevelle71]

This is what I thought you might be doing. This is the manner in which most people wet out glass, which gives a poorer end result & takes too long. Get yourself a big piece of stiff scrap cardboard. You can bring it into the boat with you, or you can place it outside the boat on a sheet of plywood across two sawhorses. Stack up a couple of your next precut pieces of glass that you want to put in place, on the cardboard. Wet them out on the cardboard. You can be more resin generous this way, which speeds things up. Then just pull & place each piece where you want it, with much less brush work. This method allows you to multi-layer, with excellent immediate results, versus coming back later with a second lamination, after grinding, acetone wash, etc. If you utilize the out-of-boat cardboard route, a helper can wet your pieces of glass & then hand them to you over the transom, which really speeds things up. Another tip, to get your glass work to look like a pro's, is to lay a long narrow strip of mat along the edge of each finished lamination, while everythings still wet. Say 2-4" inches wide...using whatever scrap mat you have laying around. Most of the time your lamination is still so wet, you can simply lay these mat strips down dry and work them with your same 4" throw-away woodchip brush in seconds. Hope this helps.

Good advice, I have heard of that method, but forgot about it:rolleyes: I will be laying the large sections of 1708 this weekend, and will try that.

[rchevelle71]

OK, I see. I was wondering why you put mat on the bottom of the plywood and clamped it on. :D
Guess you can tell I don't work with glass huh. And I can be slow sometimes but I have an excuse. I fell outta my highchair when I was a baby and fractured my skull. So ya see I got it honest. :D

No problem, this is my first large glass project also, I have done some small repairs, so I know the ins and out, but not all the tricks:D

[AirRide]

Hey! What the hell's go'in on here? Your not supposed to be on the computer!!!? Your suppose to be working, overseeing all those noisy dental implant manufacturing machines, aren't you? Get back to work, or I'm calling your boss!, lol.;)

[ridgerunner]

You have come a long way. I just found this thread. Looks like you been workin at it. The next one will be easier:D

[rchevelle71]

Hey! What the hell's go'in on here? Your not supposed to be on the computer!!!? Your suppose to be working, overseeing all those noisy dental implant manufacturing machines, aren't you? Get back to work, or I'm calling your boss!, lol.;)

I got employees to do all that, just gotta make sure THEY are working;)

[rchevelle71]

You have come a long way. I just found this thread. Looks like you been workin at it. The next one will be easier:D

Thanks,

I really wanted to get the wood from you, but the ride was gonna kill me, wife and dog has kept me busy on saturdays, so as it is I only get 1 day a week to work on it.

[delawarerick]

When the stress hits ya go for a ride in the checkmate:Dfinally fiqured the fuel thing should be able run above 55:eek:Looks good your not thinking verado sure looks mighty strong. Rick

[rchevelle71]

When the stress hits ya go for a ride in the checkmate:Dfinally fiqured the fuel thing should be able run above 55:eek:Looks good your not thinking verado sure looks mighty strong. Rick

:DCheckmate sounds like a bumpy ride:D

no 4 strokes, 'til they make me buy one.

[rchevelle71]

got some work done today:D Got the 1708 in, and beveled the outside, will try to get the outside done tomorrow

[AirRide]

How many biax strips you got on the sides & bottom of the new transom? Looking good so far.

[delawarerick]

Wow thats about all I got to say. If I did that here the compliance natzis would be writing tickets. I got to put the engine to sleep today and see what happens. I have to work behind a fence x number of feet from the street. It was more lax in Coconut Grove:eek:You are good when do you want to do the checkmate:DI had to borrow tools to look at the gearcase. Keep posting I am deffinately following this post. Rick

[rchevelle71]

How many biax strips you got on the sides & bottom of the new transom? Looking good so far.

3 layers, staggered out from about 3 inch overlap to 6 inch on the last one.

[rchevelle71]

Wow thats about all I got to say. If I did that here the compliance natzis would be writing tickets. I got to put the engine to sleep today and see what happens. I have to work behind a fence x number of feet from the street. It was more lax in Coconut Grove:eek:You are good when do you want to do the checkmate:DI had to borrow tools to look at the gearcase. Keep posting I am deffinately following this post. Rick

Thanks Rick,

We are in an association also, but I am mostly behind a 6 foot fence. My neighbors dont give me too much crap, cuz I fix all their broken chit too:D

Whenever you need some help with the Checkmate, just let me know, I am not much of an outboard mechanic, but have some paint/glass experience, and I can turn a wrench, just dont know what bolt to turn on an eggbeater??:confused:

[rchevelle71]

Didnt get the knees in over the weekend, but did get the outside skin started. Had yeasterday off from work to get the taxes done, and when I got home from the accountant, threw the deck piece back on to measure for the knees, and new back seat bulkhead.

[rchevelle71]

Few new pics from today, got the knees cut, and started the install, and added a 3rd piece of 3/4 where the motor will mount spanning the knees. considering adding a 3rd knee on the center stringer, that is just a wedge in there now to hold the plywood while the putty hardens

[1fastg3]

Your Looking good man ..Cant wait to see that thing In Boca Bay ..
Are you going to Paint the Boat ?

[rchevelle71]

Your Looking good man ..Cant wait to see that thing In Boca Bay ..
Are you going to Paint the Boat ?

Probably not going to repaint until next winter.

[rchevelle71]

Got one layer of glass on the knees yesterday, but running out of resin, so will pick more up this week, and put a few more layers of 1708 in. Also got started the finish work on the outside.

[AirRide]

Been over three weeks Rick...Spill the beans, lol:smiletest:

[rchevelle71]

Been over three weeks Rick...Spill the beans, lol:smiletest:

Its been Raining:rolleyes:

Actually, I have gotten some work done between the showers, but havent gotten any pics, I will dig the camera out tonight if its not raining when I get home. I got a coat of gelcoat on the outside a few weeks ago, but it was late in the day, and the bugs found it, no problem though, its just there to semi waterproof, will be paint in the end. Yesterday, I got the 3rd knee, and I am adding a layer of 3/4 to the existing stringers, got those both cut and bonded in, no glass yet, as I ran out of 1708, will get more this week.

[rchevelle71]

OK, here ya go guys, got a coat of gel on the outside, and got the 3rd knee in, also doubled up the stringers with another layer of 3/4. Middle knee, and stingers are bonded, but still need the 1708 installed.

[AirRide]

You really don't need a middle transom knee Rick. Those two you have there on the outside, are more than enough, bracket or no bracket, big motor or no big motor, offshore boat or no offshore boat. They are plenty for a larger 8 foot plus wide/tall transom, let alone your smaller one. Three or four wraps of 1708, glassed to the transom & stringers well, and your good to go. Don't forget your end of stringer drain holes & your bilge pump pad. Look'n good buddy.:thumbsup:

[rchevelle71]

You really don't need a middle transom knee Rick. Those two you have there on the outside, are more than enough, bracket or no bracket, big motor or no big motor, offshore boat or no offshore boat. They are plenty for a larger 8 foot plus wide/tall transom, let alone your smaller one. Three or four wraps of 1708, glassed to the transom & stringers well, and your good to go. Don't forget your end of stringer drain holes & your bilge pump pad. Look'n good buddy.:thumbsup:

I agree, but figured for the few pounds it was gonna cost me, and I had the materials, it didnt hurt. Yeah, gotta recut the holes in the stringers, after i finish glassing, right now I gotta wetvac the dang thing every night after the rain we been having, the transom drain is in, but the tarp leaks a bit, and it gets caught outside the stringers since there are no holes to the lower bilge yet. gonna add a few layers to the bilge pump pad while I am in there also, I run 2 bilge pumps, so it gets alittle tight. Hope to have it all wrapped, holes drilled, sanded down, and gelcoated this weekend, that gonna take a lot of:cheers:

[rchevelle71]

Here is the latest, needs to get sanded and gelcoated next weekend.

[Sutphil]

Good work, you'll soon be on the water again.

[rchevelle71]

Got the bilge gelcoated over the weekend. Gonna work on the deck next weekend.

[rchevelle71]

Built a quick mold for the splashwell replacement

[rchevelle71]

Pulled the part:D

[rchevelle71]

Laid it in place for now.

[BUD]

Nice job! :thumbsup:

[ridgerunner]

Yup, you got her going your way now. Looks good.

[NAVISPEED1]

Wow, :iagree: great job!!!! :thumbsup:

[jtaj77]

Thanks for the good pics and info.

[Sheer Insanity]

Thats going to look sweet with the splash well enclosed! :thumbsup: Will you have enough room to trim the motor up with no recess though?? :confused:

[rchevelle71]

Thats going to look sweet with the splash well enclosed! :thumbsup: Will you have enough room to trim the motor up with no recess though?? :confused:

YUP, It is set back 12", will go more if I have to:D

[rchevelle71]

Been a while since I poseted pics, amost ready for rigging:D

[Sheer Insanity]

Looks good! I don't know how you can stand not having your boat for this long?? Two weeks and i'm loosing my mind. :nonod:

[rchevelle71]

Looks good! I don't know how you can stand not having your boat for this long?? Two weeks and i'm loosing my mind. :nonod:


Friends with boats:D Besides, I am married, it's not like I can take different women out each weekend:(

[bluecheckmate]

I just did my deck snow white and added non skid and painted the transom sunfast red but the red did a reaction which is sopposedley causes by putting too much paint so now i gotta sand it down and paint it again. Im going crazy not having my boat done.

[FUJIMO]

YUP, It is set back 12", will go more if I have to:D

You are going to need a lot more than 12" setback, to trim/tilt your motor all the way up.

[rchevelle71]

Got any pics? I have never seen a reaction from putting too much paint( maybe too much, or wrong kind of reducer). What paint did you use?

[JnT]

Looks real good!

[qctracing]

Looks good !

[Xray]

Looking good Rick. Almost there!

[rchevelle71]

Looking good Rick. Almost there!

Thanks ray,

Hope to have the Paint on it this weekend, if the weather is nicer, then I can start the rigging, and on the your project.:thumbsup:

[bluecheckmate]

Got any pics? I have never seen a reaction from putting too much paint( maybe too much, or wrong kind of reducer). What paint did you use?

Awlgrip... I talked to technical support and a buddy of mine and they both to me the same thing that it was too much paint. So what i did yesterday was sanded it back down at 400 grit and maybe spray two light coats and walk away.

[rchevelle71]

Awlgrip... I talked to technical support and a buddy of mine and they both to me the same thing that it was too much paint. So what i did yesterday was sanded it back down at 400 grit and maybe spray two light coats and walk away.

Sounds about right, must have been a lot of paint, or too much without waiting for the thinners to flash before recoating.

[bluecheckmate]

yeah i have no clue but im going to try to paint today and start putting the boat back together by the weekend.

[TOP1GUN]

looks good Rick.....we ar both almost there

[rchevelle71]

Mike,

you will probably be done before me, I am trying to get it together for a September Run in the keys, you down??

[delawarerick]

Looks great where you gonna test it. Boca waters are pg.:D Rick

[rchevelle71]

Looks great where you gonna test it. Boca waters are pg.:D Rick

Probably make a run towards peanut when its done, gonna ba month or so, got some rigging to do and a LOT of cleanup.

[rchevelle71]

Got the Primer done Saturday, and the paint yesterday, no paint pics til tonight, but here it is in Primer.

[Mr. Demeanor]

Looks great. Could you have picked a hotter time of year to work on it?

[rchevelle71]

Looks great. Could you have picked a hotter time of year to work on it?

I started in January, planned on being done by now:rolleyes:

[modvp]

It looks great!

[rchevelle71]

Here are the paint pics as promised, got some more touch up to do in the front(where I removed the keel gard), then its just rigging(and trailer repair), and I will be back on the water in a month or so:D

[sixmassive]

are you putting on the stainless marine bracket?

[rchevelle71]

are you putting on the stainless marine bracket?

Probably not right now, my brain say's YES, but my Wallett say's NO!!!!

[bluecheckmate]

Probably not right now, my brain say's YES, but my Wallett say's NO!!!!

i know that feeling!!!

[delawarerick]

Probably not right now, my brain say's YES, but my Wallett say's NO!!!!
How are you mounting the engine? Rick Gill bracket?

[rchevelle71]

How are you mounting the engine? Rick Gill bracket?

CMC Jackplate

[rchevelle71]

Starting to look like a boat again:D

[FUJIMO]

How come all the houses are so small? Are all your neighbors midgets? Your boat must look like a 41' Apache to them, lol. Nice work Rick.

[rchevelle71]

How come all the houses are so small? Are all your neighbors midgets? Your boat must look like a 41' Apache to them, lol. Nice work Rick.

We could have a bigger house, but it is just the 2 of us, if I bought a big house, the wife would want to fill it with kids:eek: bad enough she is filling it with Animals, got this guy, 2 pigeons that just showed up, and live on the roof of my shed, and my father is dumping off his 10 year old cat next month, not to mention the strays that my wife feeds, and the numerous everglades jungle creatures that just roam the hood:rolleyes:

By the way, I HAVE dragged a 41 Apache thru the hood a time or 2, and it was a sight to see:cool::reddevil:

[delawarerick]

Rick last sunday there was a 26-28 pantera with twin mercs all black cowls. The guy looked Cuban boat was mint real nice. Boat looks great lets ride mine is running good and got a prop heading towards 60 in my junk. Rick

[rchevelle71]

Would have to be a 28, Probably the one from Hollywood, the old Zeppelin Boat, if so it has a neat cockpit setup, but a strange history, Where did you see it? I won't be ready for at least a few weeks, considering adding a bracket now that I see how close the cowling gets to the deck, but need to figure out the finances and see for sure.

[FUJIMO]

By the way, I HAVE dragged a 41 Apache thru the hood a time or 2, and it was a sight to see:cool::reddevil:

You must be talking about Jay's boat? Wonder if he ever uses it yet? I know what you mean, about the kids, lol. Look on craigslist, etc., for a bracket.:thumbsup:

[rchevelle71]

That would be the one, I was with him when we went and picked it up at Innovation in Sarasota, draggged it thru the hood when he dropped me off that day. I have been all over craigslist, like I said above, the narrow beam, and transom angle make it hard to find used.

[1fastg3]

I thought you where doing twins

[rchevelle71]

I thought you where doing twins

Not me, your thinking of Mike out of Miami.

[1fastg3]

Hummmm I thought you were talking about it ... Have you hit boca bay yet ?

[FullAuto9]

Nice boat, looks like new! There was one here in Sarasota years back named WHIPPERSNAPPER

[cm21]

Nice job! Awesome boat... what material and process did you use to bond the transom knees to the transom and stringers?

[rchevelle71]

Not me, your thinking of Mike out of Miami.I may have joked about it, but too much $$ to rig for twins in order to gain 5-10MPH

[rchevelle71]

Nice job! Awesome boat... what material and process did you use to bond the transom knees to the transom and stringers?

Thanks,

The knees were placed using a putty of resin and sawdust, then glassed over with 1708, and tabbed in place with the same, the resin I used is an Ortho Poly.

[cm21]

Cool... thx...

[INXS]

Wow nice, I see that you first went with a jack plate, 12"? Did the 24" swim platform make a big difference? Oh, thanks for the great thread!

[rchevelle71]

Wow nice, I see that you first went with a jack plate, 12"? Did the 24" swim platform make a big difference? Oh, thanks for the great thread!

The jack was a 10", when I bought the boat it had a stock 200 mounted on the transom, I never ran it that way, restored the whole boat(except the transom) then ran it with the jack for about 3 years. The 24" setback did not make much of a difference at all, it seems a little more butt heavy idling around, and cruising, but no matter what I do, this boat always runs and flies level at WOT. I have attached 2 pics, the first was about 3 years ago in Biscayne bay, at 3/4 throttle with the old 225 carb on the jack, the second is New years day this year in Sarasota at WOT with the 250EFI, you can see the setback got my nose up a bit, but this is with 25 more HP, the jack, and 1/4 throttle more. The third pic is more of its running attitude, once settled down, and cruising.

[INXS]

Great pics, thanks again, must be some good gains from the first, esp. mid and upper rpm range. You can see, esp. photo 2, that the ride must really be about as good as you can get. It must really cut the chop nicely! Must save a good deal on gas too. There's lots of fishing boats on in my area, most have to travel 6-12 miles to get to good fishing. I always shake my head and wonder what it costs them, for gas, to run those large heavy deep V hulls. Like some fishing friends say, its cheapper to buy the fish but I guess being out there is priceless to them.

[Sheer Insanity]

Rick, are you still selling your boat? I cant wait to make another S&F run with my new boat. The cabbage key run was miserable trying to keep up with my 22 Concept and inspired me to get something bigger.

I wont be able to make the Key run this year due to low funds and friends in town a couple weeks before it. :nonod:

[rchevelle71]

Rick, are you still selling your boat? I cant wait to make another S&F run with my new boat. The cabbage key run was miserable trying to keep up with my 22 Concept and inspired me to get something bigger.

I wont be able to make the Key run this year due to low funds and friends in town a couple weeks before it. :nonod:

Larry,

It is for sale, but probably not gonna sell, I am pretty firm on what it is gonna take $$ to pry the keys pout of my hands. Definitely wanna do another cabbage run this year. The Concept was fine, another 5-10 MPH would have been nice, but I only run 60 anyways, this year we can at least run side by side, heck, I'll prolly be the slowboat this year. i will most likely not make the keys run either, got a race in Cocoa that weekend.

Rick