Nylox phantom?

[rompking282]

first off this is my 1st post and id like to introduce myself. my name is Cody, im 19 years old and live in southern california. i stumbled upon this forum when looking for pictures of a nylox phantom since i will be inheriting one from a close family friend. as of right now i do not know the year or any other info but i was wondering why there is very little information about nylox phantoms on the internet? thank you guys

[Wile E. Coyote]

welcome to scream and fly

well, not knowing all (believe me i think i do :} ) i have never heard of that particular manufacturer/model, but im hear to tell ya, there is a metric crap ton of good information on this site, as well as a wide variety of boating knowledge/expeirence, im bettin, if its been made, [I]someone[I] on here is gonna know about it, or at least point ya in the right direction...

also a little more info would help: inboard, outboard, i/o...tunnel, vee, 18 feet or 30 feet, single engine, dual...the devil is in the details, pics too if you have them

bill

[rompking282]

from my under standing it was not a popular boat and still isnt. what i do know or the info i have gathered so far is that it is a 14 ft, it is an outboard 100hp merc single engine. the only pic i have of one is one that i found on another thread. hopefully i will be able to get some pictures of the actual boat soon. i am also not a 100% positive thats a phantom because my dad and his friends always referred to it as the nylox but my dad did say it looks like the phantom.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q154/drtbkfrk604/Image1-168_edited-1-1.jpg

[Mark75H]

It was advertised in Powerboat Magazine and the early incarnation of Hot Boat. If you can find some of the early issues of those magazines you will see them.

I think there were a few races won with them and a few records set, but it wasn't long before people found faster boats and the Phantoms went into history.

I do not think they are actually rare or unpopular as much as regionally popular in just a few areas.

They were one of the coolest looking boats of their time.

[WATERWINGS]

Welcome to Scream and Fly!

Cool lookin boat !

Is it a Tunnel or a V-bottom?

[rompking282]

Mark75h- thanks for the info i guess ill have to find the areas they are popular since i cant find much on them online.(unless im looking in the wrong place)

Waterwings- im not sure what a tunnel or a v-bottom is? it would have to do with the shape of the hull im sure. how would i be able to tell?

[WATERWINGS]

Standing at the front of the trailer, squat down and look under the boat, if it looks like a "regular boat", (V shaped) then it is a V-bottom.

If it has a different "funny lookin" bottom it would be a tunnel.

The rear of the boat makes it look like it might have some little "sponsons" back there.......

[rompking282]

ill have to see if my dad has some old pics of the boat since it is still in nevada.

sorry for all the questions but what is a sponson?
i have been around the boats since i was 2 weeks old but i havent really gotten into them until now

[WATERWINGS]

This is what a Tunnel looks like on the trailer, the outermost sides of the boat are the sponsons.

(EDIT)... A true Tunnel has no center "Pod", this is actually a "Mod VP" Tunnel.

[rompking282]

ok gotcha im pretty sure the boat is a regular v bottom. what are the pros and cons to v bottoms?

[ridgerunner]

V bottoms - tip easily from side to side when moving about the boat. Tunnels have more stability there.
Fast V-hulls typically have a pad (triangular shaped running surface) on the bottom of the boat that allows the driver a chance to balance his boat on the pad and fly the hull ie Hydrostream, Actions, Allisons, Fountains, Velocity .
Fast Tunnels pack air underneath between the top of the tunnel and the sponsons to lift the hull out of the water ie. Skaters, Liberators, FastCats Smaller tunnels running singles have a modified tunnel designed with a center sponson. STV, Mirage
Tunnels turn flat
V's lean into the turns
Tunnels are called "Training Wheels" by the guys that run the V's as they are a little easier to drive fast.
I don't know much but these are my observations.

[WATERWINGS]

Sounds about right to me:thumbsup:

When I ran a V-pad boat, (Hydrostream Vector), I used to rib my buddys with tunnels all the time, about their "training wheels", but since I now own a tunnel, I would NEVER go back to a V bottom.:eek:

[rompking282]

so it looks like tunnels are the better boat since its easy togo fast but since the air gets under the boat going real fast is a bad idea?? i say real fast cause their is no such thing as too fast :thumbsup:

[T2x]

As I recall the phantom was neither a tunnel nor a vee bottom. It predates both designs. It is basically a planing monohull, however.

Sounds like you have a nice historic piece on your hands (early to mid 60's). This probably belongs in the "Outboard and Racing History" section.

Anybody younger than 55 or so (or a vintage boat enthusiast) will have very little useable knowledge or suggestions for you and well meaning speculation will only confuse you further.

When in doubt.....ask "Mark 75H"..... he is all about historic factual information.

T2x

[rompking282]

ok thanks for all the information. is their anything good about having a monohull?

[T2x]

ok thanks for all the information. is their anything good about having a monohull?

Basically a monohull is anything with only a single bottom and no sponsons like a cat or a hydroplane. Since the early to mid 60's almost all monohulls have utilized a "deep vee" shape with longitudinal strakes. Some have pads, but basically that's the current shape. Your hull is from an earlier generation of speed boats and , as such, is a collector's item. It may not handle choppy water as smoothly, due to a flatter aft section than is currently the norm, but it will give you a nice turn of speed and something that nobody else has on the waterways. Since many of the newer boats are obviously "me too" versions (and in some cases out right direct molded copies) of other builders' prior editions......you have the advantage of something unique.

As far as performance is concerned you will probably not have equivalent handling to a newer boat.....but, I would rather have a 1956 300SL "Gullwing" Mercedes, than any brand new Corvette.

Good luck and enjoy your boat.

T2x

[rompking282]

ok thank you so much for the info and i would much rather restore an old boat or car than buy a brand new one

[Turtleherder]

Ask at www.fiberglassics.com, they will probably have some info.