The Reed test begins.........

[Eagle One]

We are about to start our test of various brands and models of reeds and cages to determine which if any actually make more horsepower than another. We are testing ONLY for maximum horsepower at the same RPM on the same engine with few or no changes that would effect peak horsepower. While we have several brands and styles of reeds on hand we will only be using two sets of cages. One set that is bone stock and another set that have been machined for more flow. One of the main desires for this test is to allow the average everyday guy with and average boat get an idea of what HE himself can do that will actually make more horsepower. We have tried to use only parts that are readily available to Joe public.
The engine:
2.5 Merc 200 carb
Modifications.
(1)The block has been ported very similar to a 300 drag but with a few other things we've found that make a real difference in actual measurable horsepower.
(2)The intake. Ported and matched for more flow.
(3) the crankshaft is a box stock non oiler crank out of a 1981-82 200 Merc.
(4) Rods. 644-818141 right out of a 150 but lightened and polished.
(5) Pistons. Single ring S-3000 purchase used and recoated
(6) Heads 2.0 liter fat block 150 heads cut to 24CC's
(7) Carbs OMC 1978-79 235 1 3/8 bore enlarged to 1 7/16 with .125 GM quadrajet needles and seats. Yes these needles and seats came from a Cheverolet! We have used these very simple carbs on various engines over the years and they just always seem to make more top speed and power over any other brand. They are exceptional for use with Methanol.
(8) reed cages. I set of box stock 14 petal as produced on several models. 1 set machined for additional flow( similar to the factory HP units)
(9) reeds . Various styles and thicknesses from Chris Carson Marine, Boysen, Mercury, Land & Sea and Tony Doukas racing. Attached are some photos and we will add information and more photos as we progress. You can see the block, pistons, rods and some of the reeds on our previous post about testing reeds.Here are some shots of the engine being installed on the dyno. More to come....

[Eagle One]

Here is a pic of the intake with stock production cages and another set of modified cages with a set of Chris Carson Marine's .020 thin single stage reed. More to come

[racer]

What are you doing for correction factors due to air quality changes, weather station, controling dyno room air etc. Based on your photos carbs appear to be 78, 79 had different bowls and no jet in the side of the carb itself, these are good carbs but can be lean in the mid range

[Eagle One]

Our dyno is set up in a controlled enviroment room separate from the control room and any other part of our building with constant temperature conrtrol and as I would expect the humidity remains constant as well since it has both constantly controlled ac and heat. We also use a WEATHER STATION ,which was included with the dyno for final calculations. We've been at this a while.. not our first dyno test. Our dyno gives data for peak hosepower and torque at any RPM. RPM is provided by both an electrical impulse tach and a manual cable driven tach.It also provides for both exhaust gas tempertature and spark plug temparature. Head temperature , coolant temparature, coolant pressure . Fuel flow both in gallons per hour and pounds per hour regardless of what fuel is used be it diesel, gasoline or methanol.It also allows for load pressure to hold an engine at the same rpm at WOT again and again. As for the carbs they have always worked well and I have more than 1 set. In around 1994-95 the DSRA World Champion in modified production ran these carbs. Tommy Hughes who won the DSRA fuel class several years in a row ran these carbs. Wayne Weeks and his father Wilbur at one time held the World V-bottom top speed record ( they were pictured on the front page of the Land & Sea catalog for several years) ran either this same carb or a similar smaller bore used on 6 carb CCC models.Not to mention the numerous people who bought these back when Land & Sea sold them as a stock item . After 40 years at this I'm begining to learn....... sometimes good can't be improved..

[BarryStrawn]

Must be a helluva big AC system if it can keep your dyno room at constant temp, humidity, and pressure. Sounds like a nice system.

[racer]

Noah,
I know you been around a long time was just asking what you were doing to get accurate results for each. Humitity for me is the hardest to control. Yes they are good carbs but there are better ones, if you want omc ones the 83-85 2.6 gt meter better at least in standard bore size dont know when bored to 1 and 7/16.

[Jay Smith]

HUMM, thought I was World Champion in Modified Production in DSRA then ;)

And BTW: OMC carbs would have been illegal in modified production as they are NOT a factory OEM part that came from a Mercury...

I think you got your racer/people, years and your classes mixed up there Noah! But if your like me my gray matter is a bit rusty ... Also facts of the matter IS I built Tommy Hugh's alky fuel injection system one of those years you quoted and he damn sure wasn't running OMC carbs that year.( I built 3 of those Alky systems for racers that year , Hammontree, Hughes, and Attwood )..AS I don't know sh** from a bar of soap about carbs..

BTW: Good luck with your test,
Jay

[largecar91]

I for one will be very interested in the results.

[redgambler]

I'll be glad to see some of the results. Appreciate it Eagle One.

[hydro]

Jay,

Wasn't BOB KOTTMANN running away from you in some of those years?

[phil blomquist]

thanks Ive been waiting to see the results,need a new set

[Jay Smith]

Hydro,

Bob was indeed fast, I out ran him as much as he did me I guess we were about even on the win loss column... At the 1993 World Finials Wallace Workman was the winner Bob in second and I was third I was High Points Champion that year.. 1994 I won World Championship AND High Points Championship ( 55 in just the Modified class that year or as many as the complete boat roster running on some of these Jasper races these days in ALL classes ) in 1995 the race was called in the middle of the session because of debree in the Red River the last 5 or so boats that were left was declared Co World Champions and I was one of those 5 .. The water was so rough and filled with debree Bob's HST Hydrostream's hit something and the bottom became completely delaminated early in the session and he was un abled to continue as the boat was sinking..As I remember that boat was never ran again...Might be wrong cause after that year I move on and never competed again..

Those are the facts!
Jay

[Mark75H]

As the resident expert on HVAC ... humidity will not be controlled by an HVAC system that does not have elaborate humidity sensing and control built in.

Differing from a regular HVAC system, to control humidity, the system has to have a humidifier and reheat capability in addition to the sensing and controls to make it use them.


Its probably more than practical to buy a humidity gage for this testing and just record the humidity with each run; there is a chance that the humidity will be fairly stable ... but there is also a chance it will vary as much as 50%.

All in all, I'd say a dyno room isn't "equipped" if it doesn't have a weather station to confirm it's environment ... even if it does have full HVAC with humidity control ... it would confirm operation of the HVAC system the way a tachometer confirms fast and slow.



I'd also like to see periodic repetition of the "control" (original) set up. Without consistently repeating the original test of the original motor all the rest of the data is 100% questionable and the results are unscientific. I would not expect a run of the original set up between each different reed test if more than one test is done in a day ... but if tests are done on different days, it certainly would be reassuring to see that the dyno and the rest of the motor perform the same all the time.

Not doing both of these things makes the testing unscientific ... either you are following scientific method or you are not, there is no part way or sort of; science is hard work.

If you follow my posts, you know I always say a test run is invalid if the results are close and there is no return to the original set up ... 1 or 2 mph with a prop means nothing if you don't put the first prop back on an see the exact original speed the same day.

[HStream1]

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[hydro]

Jay,

Just having some fun with you!

Joe

[Jay Smith]

Hey Hydro,

Back in the "Hey Days" of Outboard Drag Racing ( 1991-1997 ) The Missouri Missal" Bob Kotman was THE WINNINGEST out board running at that time. PERIOD ! Also Ivan Watson driving a Drag Allison with one of Kotman's Yamaha long rodded stroker motors gave the Mercury in 1400 Modified Production fits, he was carbed and weighed less though ( 56 lbs less to be exact ) , I have a picture in my office of me and Ivan in a final race that I had broke a crank the day before in my modified motor and borrowed Stan Fitz's Pro Stock stock 260 and bolted hot heads on and you could have stepped across the hulls. I was about 1' ahead, I was lucky and had a great prop cause I didn't have the motor to beat him that day...

Ahh memories !!! Thanks for the jolt from the past..

Jay

[Forkin' Crazy]

Interesting... ***subscribed*** ;)

[Hoss Marine Propellers]

Since Eagle One has been at this for a while, as results are posted, they will give their opinion as to any variables that may have affected the results and also their overall opinion between different tests.
Thanks Eagle One !!!!

[mirage243]

HUMM, thought I was World Champion in Modified Production in DSRA then ;)

And BTW: OMC carbs would have been illegal in modified production as they are NOT a factory OEM part that came from a Mercury...

I think you got your racer/people, years and your classes mixed up there Noah! But if your like me my gray matter is a bit rusty ... Also facts of the matter IS I built Tommy Hugh's alky fuel injection system one of those years you quoted and he damn sure wasn't running OMC carbs that year.( I built 3 of those Alky systems for racers that year , Hammontree, Hughes, and Attwood )..AS I don't know sh** from a bar of soap about carbs..

BTW: Good luck with your test,
Jay

Sounds to me like Beagle One is as full of sh*t on his facts as he is on his quality of work.

[RBT]

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[Jay Smith]

SORRY,

I didn't post this to start a bash at all. The reason I did is I was there in 1994-1995 , was World /High Points Champion in DSRA at the time and did build the guys alky injector motors in the post..


Sorry Noah if I swayed from the subject matter of the post , it was certainly not my intention.

Jay

[DoktorC]

Regardless of anything, it's nice to see a post that actually relates to performance boating...

[hydro]

Agree!!!

[HStream1]

SORRY,

I didn't post this to start a bash at all. The reason I did is I was there in 1994-1995 , was World /High Points Champion in DSRA at the time and did build the guys alky injector motors in the post..


Sorry Noah if I swayed from the subject matter of the post , it was certainly not my intention.

Jay

Jay I PM'd you about a different matter.

I look forward to seeing Noahs testing results and do appreciate his efforts.

[scc82]

thank you Noah for your time and patience doing this test and i think alot of people are looking forward to the results. but there is always somebody that will try and pick it apart.
thanks, stan carson

[RONNIE]

Regardless of anything, it's nice to see a post that actually relates to performance boating...

I agree I'm sick of all the bull on the site lately. please keep your posts related to hot rod boating thanks for you hard work and great reading eagle One. looking forward to some good info for reeds

[mirage243]

thank you Noah for your time and patience doing this test and i think alot of people are looking forward to the results.

Yes,.................. thank you so much. Everyone is sitting here anxiously awaiting the test.

[YELLOWSS]

SUBSCRIBED!!! This is going to be good.

[kb5050]

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[David Borg]

Subscribed:cheers:.Thanks Noah for your efforts

[sschefer]

Subscribed to learn... to dumb to comment.

[Forkin' Crazy]

I agree I'm sick of all the bull on the site lately.

Yea me too. Count this thread as "bull" also!

[gmacrae]

Subscribed to learn... to dumb to comment.

haha, me too

[CharlieB53]

Subscribed to learn... to dumb to comment.


Ditto

to Noah for his determination to show us what works.

[Eagle One]

The guy I was speaking of was Wallace Workman, not 100% sure about the year or the class but he was a winner and ran OMC carbs, I believe Harold Spivey built his engines and at the time any outboard carb was legal., Not sure about that either but I believe the year he won was at the "Ditch" In Port Allen La. Could be wrong about all of it but one things for sure He ran a lot and won a lot and I believe he did win The world finals one year for either DSRA or Tenneesee or Alabama. But I just remember all the celebration when he won.Now not sure why a few people keep trying to put down our test. I think each and every critic here should either buy me out or buy their own dyno and equipment and run a test suitable to theirselves.It's truly a shame that a simple handful of "board watchers" who seem to have nothing to do sit around watching this board anxiously waiting to pounce on even the slightest grammatical or spelling error. It would seem that since their are other here who legitamately are interested in the results some of the major critics who seem to always be the same handful of individuals could just restrain their constant desire to create criticism. But alas some of those are just overwhelmed by their desire to start some pissing contest over something.
Now let me make this perfectly clear for all my "CRITICS"
I respect your opinion as just like butt holes everybody has one and they are entitled to their opinions. As for my "CRITICS" I honestly don't give a damn about YOUR opinion of me, my business, or most anything pertaining to me and further more I really don't give a damn if you ever buy anything I make or sell. You are entitled to do business with anyone yopu choose to. As for me I'm going to continue to do just what I have all these years. Build boats and engines, other equipment to help those who are in need of answers or parts and equipment. I will continue to race my Mod-U tunnel boat with the APBA and any other boat and class I choose to race in until I'm just too old to do it. You see unlike some of my " CRITICS" I do race my boat on the water and I am not a member of the very large fraternity of "BANK RACERS" we so often see here who simply stand around on the lake or river bank drinking beer and racing their mouths. Now I don't sit here waiting to pounce on every word any of my "CRITICS" say but for some reason we do seem to have some of those who just can't restrain themselves. I often see things I could just start a big pissing contest over but being the gentleman I am and having a little class and dignity unlike some, I just seem to be able to control myself. Now each and everyone of my "CRITICS" knows exactly who you are and simply by posting the negative remarks you post here most everyone else knows who you are as well and I suspect they put little or no stock in it as we still seem to be in business and still selling what we make all over the world. Now I will continue to run the Reed Test under the parameters I have laid out in this and previous post. If you don't like it just don't read it. But at least have the dignity of not embarrassing yourself in front of all the members on this board who actually have a desire to see the results. More to follow.

[Dave Strong]

Thanks for putting up with the BS, I am real intrested to see your results. It is always good to see a well done test as yours, find that just when a guy figures he knows something tests like this can change your veiw on things. But just as butt holes go, sometimes its best not all see them.
Just my opinion.
Dave

[baldad45]

Thanks for the effort you're putting out ,whatever the results it ,will be interesting and imformative . No test = 0 imformation ! Any test = + imfo. The silent majority is watching with anticipation and interest, thanks again Glen.

[sschefer]

Subscribed to learn... to dumb to comment.
FYI - I am serious when I say this. There's a lot to learn in this thread and I for one am happy he's got the guts to stick with it. I've been running Chris's reeds but have never run anything else and I can't afford to be swapping out reeds and testing them every other day. This is a huge opportunity for me.

P.S. Chris, don't worry, I like em and I'm stickin with em.. There's as set goin in the FrankenMerc and 2.5/200 waiting in the wings.

[TDR_50]

Ok noah,

I have the reeds ready to send you. I need to know the test criteria so I can get you the correct reed for the test.
Please elaborate on what type of test parimeters you will be running??

It appears in your first post that you are testing for maximium horsepower only.

The Reed test begins.........

<HR style="COLOR: #72a5d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #72a5d8" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->We are about to start our test of various brands and models of reeds and cages to determine which if any actually make more horsepower than another. We are testing ONLY for maximum horsepower at the same RPM on the same engine with few or no changes that would effect peak horsepower.
I will send my the maximium horsepower reeds today.

I still would like you to post all the test parameters so that all the reed vendors can supply the correct reeds.

Thanks Tony

[Eagle One]

Tony PM'd me about test parameters and here is my respnse to his request:

Engine is a carbed 200 2.5 with trick sleeves similar to a drag port timing and size. Exhaust chest cut and flowed, S-3000 single ring pistons, 24 CC heads, OMC modified 235 carbs with .076 main jets and .032 idle jets. Max timing at 22 degrees. We will jet to compensate for variation to keep the EGT as close to 1050 degrees as possible.We test with only 100LL av gas and Merc premium plus oil @ 32/1 for certified octane. no other additives are used.
We are doing this test as I told you previously on our Stuska Waterbrake powerhead dyno. We have data for EGT, Spark plug temp, head temp, Pounds and gallons of fuel flow per hour. Manual cable driven RPM, electrical tach also, Torque and Horsepower with a weather staion for corrected HP.We also have a 5 ton AC and heating unit which controls the humidity quite a bit and will maintain almost any temp from 60 dgrees to 80 degrees regardless of the outside conditions. We will make 3 test run ups on each cage and reed set up to find ONLY peak horsepower. I do not intend to test beyond the RPM the stock steel reed will stand which is normally 7500 RPM max unless a composite reed will carry the torque over the RPM and don't expect to see much over 7700 rpm as this style engine in past test has peaked at 7200-7400 RPM.. We will test stock steel reeds and cages first, then stock cages with composite reeds for stock cages. Then on to modified cages with (comparable to High Perf cages)Reeds for those cages. We will only be testing 7 petal cages. We have on hand C Carson reeds for stock cages in .026 material,
Reeds for cut cages in .020,.024 and .026 material.
Boysen recreational 2 stage reeds and Boysen 267 Y as well. We also have some Carbon fiber reeds from Merc which were available on the S-3000 engines. I will try to test everything as close to equal as possible and any result with less than a 1% variation will be considered moot. Just can't see saying anything is better without a distinct and measurable difference. This power head style normally makes just over 250 HP at the crankshaft regardless of the reed used in previous test provided cut cages are used. I do not expect to see a wide variation in power. Maybe a slight torque increase but as you know the actual on the water performance difference can only be achieve with actual ET runs over the same given distance. I have seen some accelleration differences on the water in some reeds but on the dyno, not a lot in peak HP. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. We will be beginning test runs around Monday or Tuesday but I prefer to wait and post all the results at once. Hope this answers your questions. Feel free to contact me anytime.

[albypine]

Subscribed to learn.......:thumbsup:

[Chummy]

Ready to hear about the results :cheers:

[valero1990]

A buddy of mine ran the carson reeds and it his engine never made it over 8000 without blowing apart almost all the reeds. That was a fast and simple test. I would stick with the boysens. Im sure plenty of people who were at the 2009 river ranch witnessed that. Thanks to a good guy who loaned him a set of cages and reeds he still had a good weekend. Thats just being honest!

[skydog]

Tony Doukas racing!!! :) :)

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

A buddy of mine ran the carson reeds and it his engine never made it over 8000 without blowing apart almost all the reeds. That was a fast and simple test. I would stick with the boysens. Im sure plenty of people who were at the 2009 river ranch witnessed that. Thanks to a good guy who loaned him a set of cages and reeds he still had a good weekend. Thats just being honest!

VALERO
I have no interest in hi-jacking Noah's post in my defense,but if you're interested in the FACTS concerning the river ranch reed failure feel free to contact me,and I will enlighten you.So far NO one has reported a broken reed that was SOLD as a tested product.Chris Carson,PM or call if you wish,305 394 3354:icon_bs:

[valero1990]

Just put the facts up here so we can see it all while we are on the reed tests. Im sure plenty of others will like to hear it also. I dont think this will be hi-jacking Noahs post if it concerns the reed test. :)

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

VALERO,you're probably correct.The "River Ranch Reeds" had been sent for proving to 9000 RPM,to Someone who agreed to test them,[and keep results confidential]They were very thin reeds,but had performed well to 7500 RPM in my test motor at our shop.They were sent out months before RR,and had they been tested properly,there would have not been a troublesome or embaressing moment for anyone involved.I am aware that plans sometimes aren't kept,it's unfortunate the reeds wer'nt tested in a timely way;if they had been they would have been replaced with a more durable counterpart,and I'm sure the results would have been more pleasing.The most important point is THE REEDS WERE SENT FOR TESTING,AND WERE EXPECTED TO BE TESTED TO FAILURE,AND WERE.I would have certainly been more appreciative of the tester if he had held to the terms of the test,so it goes,Chris

[mrcrsr]

VALERO,you're probably correct.The "River Ranch Reeds" had been sent for proving to 9000 RPM,to Someone who agreed to test them,[and keep results confidential]They were very thin reeds,but had performed well to 7500 RPM in my test motor at our shop.They were sent out months before RR,and had they been tested properly,there would have not been a troublesome or embaressing moment for anyone involved.I am aware that plans sometimes aren't kept,it's unfortunate the reeds wer'nt tested in a timely way;if they had been they would have been replaced with a more durable counterpart,and I'm sure the results would have been more pleasing.The most important point is THE REEDS WERE SENT FOR TESTING,AND WERE EXPECTED TO BE TESTED TO FAILURE,AND WERE.I would have certainly been more appreciative of the tester if he had held to the terms of the test,so it goes,Chris

I had nothing to do w/ valero's post, so why not explain to me how you lied- you stated to me before i put them in my engine, and i'll quote you, " they've been tested to 9k rpm at our shop!" what happened to that, or you forgot? or how about the post your affiliate scc82 deleted that stated these reeds were tested to 9 k rpm??? 2 sides to a story, that there are!! I don't appreciate having my time wasted on something that should have worked.if you hadn't lied to me this wouldn't even be a discussion rite now, and i thought we buried this, this is eagle one's post, let's not ruin it

[valero1990]

Its nice when everything gets out in the open and the whole story is exposed. If everyone is honest from the start there is so much less b.s.. Hey Chris if the reeds didnt hold up just say so and work on them a little more and hopefully it will be perfected. People will usally not run to buy something from someone who is not honest about there products whether they failed or not. Failing is ok as long as its learned from and improved.

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

A buddy of mine ran the carson reeds and it his engine never made it over 8000 without blowing apart almost all the reeds. That was a fast and simple test. I would stick with the boysens. Im sure plenty of people who were at the 2009 river ranch witnessed that. Thanks to a good guy who loaned him a set of cages and reeds he still had a good weekend. Thats just being honest!

VALERO,I suppose I'll state a few facts,as I see them.To start with I responded politely to your post,in which you state that you,along with plenty of people,saw my reeds fail "blowing apart almost all the reeds".Fact,I have said reeds on my desk,one leaf totally broken off,one burned 1/2 off,several chipped,are we speaking of the same reeds?Thats just being honest.
I make no claims that the reeds didn't fail,and moreover haven't claimed any liability as to the tester[the fellow for whom they failed].I will stand by my previous posts concerning the circumstances surrounding the failure and tester,ie,the reeds had been tested to 7500 in my shop,not 9000.If they had been tested to 9000 it would make little sense to ask someone to test them to 9000?They were sent,at no cost,to be tested long before RR,and I wish they had been tested,failed,replaced,tested etc.,without the distasteful namecalling torrents that followed their unexpected demise.Even now i"m being called a liar,again,after being asked by the same person to drop this.I did not bring it back up,but I will not have words put in my mouth.
In a previous post i believe HStream1 asked about why my son SCC82,had deleted a post implying [or stating]we had run our reeds to 9000,and stated"only the writer or an administrator can delete posts",so he must have deleted it,to cover up mis-truths.Fact is the post can also be deleted by the person who started it,this was evidently the case,as SCC82 assures me he did not.Also,the 9000 rpm reeds tested were on sport jet cages,and held up,in our somewhat limited testing.
The job of developing a product from infancy to fruition is a time and effort consuming ordeal.We have spent countless hours cutting,changing running,sometimes breaking,replacing reeds.WE have inlisted and been aided by more than 20 folks in this procedure,and I thank them all for their help in improving our product.As I stated before,I am not aware of any retail reed failures,amazing to me.
Hopefully we can put this redundant discussion to bed,and return to the matters at hand...Chris & Stanton Carson

[scc82]

charlie,
first of all i see that you have cleaned up your post. thank you. i dont think you should be calling anyone names. second, if you will take the time to look you will find that the complete thread that my "post in question" has been deleted. NOT by me, i have not deleted ANY of my post. third, the reeds that i said had been run to 9000rpm were on here for sale and were yellow .020 reeds, not the white .018 reeds you were sent.

i would like to know if you denigh agreeing to help test some of our reeds, and to keep the results confidential between you and us?? you did not pay for them, did you? why would we just give you a set of reeds? because you are such a great guy? no i dont think so. so did you agree to that or not??? if you wanted to buy some we would have sold you some that had been tested by several S&F members and also in house. we have sold hundreds of sets to members on this site and not ONE has reported a problem with any of the reeds we sold them.


by the way i am chris' son not just an affiliate and i dont know you other then this site and i have tried to stay out of your drama, but when you put words in my mouth and say that i have done things that i have not, it was time for me to speak up on my own behalf. i would be willing to bet you that you could ask anyone that has done business with us over the past 35yrs and they would have nothing but good to say about us and that we are as honest as it gets.

so i hope this has maybe cleared up some things for people that dont know the complete story. thing would have been alot better for all involved if you would have stuck to your word like a man and done what you agreed to do.

thank you all stan carson

[Jacob]

Let's try to keep this thread to the point so we don't need to read 8 pages of BS to get to any test results that mat be posted. I have started a thread for any "other" reed discussion. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1888624#post1888624

[mackeral5]

moved....

[valero1990]

Thats enough of that now. Didnt expect it to turn into all that. Its never an easy thing when someone has an engine problem on a weekend especially at an event know matter what the problem may be . I hope the reed tests go well for the carsons and Noah. Best of luck

[wrechin2]

First off, SORRY Noah!!!!!





A buddy of mine ran the carson reeds and it his engine never made it over 8000 without blowing apart almost all the reeds. That was a fast and simple test. I would stick with the boysens. Im sure plenty of people who were at the 2009 river ranch witnessed that. Thanks to a good guy who loaned him a set of cages and reeds he still had a good weekend. Thats just being honest!



Didnt expect it to turn into all that. Its never an easy thing when someone has an engine problem on a weekend especially at an event know matter what the problem may be . I hope the reed tests go well for the carsons and Noah. Best of luck

What did you expect it to turn into?????????? You post stuff like that and expect nothing????? Sounds like you weren't even involved and there was a lot more to it. Why would they just GIVE him a set of reeds???? I am still trying to figure out why you posted in the first place... Looks like you were just trying to be a a$$ and bash them.

I can vouch for their reed quality as I have been using CCMS reeds in my builds for a while now. I currently have several sets of their reeds on my shelf. NO problems!!!!!! They are always top notch people to deal with.

[Kimmerly.performance]

I am getting a strong case of dejavu here. Can't we just let this guy post the results and that is it??????????? If you want to post your opinion go to the lounge and talk about Tiger!!! I am really interested in the results. I don't have a strong opinion on what reeds are the best I have never even tried any of these reeds, opdering parts up here takes time, and it is costly. I would really appreciate some hard facts other than someones opinion on what is the best. Thanks For the test. Sorry The last time this happened I didn't Check this site for months, and here we go again.

[Scream And Fly]

Two vendors arguing. What a fantastic sight. Please find an amicable solution to this right away, off the boards.