Reeds

[95glas]

looking at getting a set of reeds in the near future for my 88 spl.. so far narrowed down to either chris carson or boyesen, tdr doesn't make reeds for my application...any other manufacturers? how does boyesen compare to chris carson reeds? from what boyesen sent me, sounds like most of the gains ( idle, holeshot, etc are improved because dual stage design) but are also available in a carbon fiber design as well.. would be a prop change be necessary? sorta new to this coming from snowmobile background- if made any hp change there- a clutching change would be adviseable to make use of added hp

[scc82]

pm sent

[Jay Smith]

Send an example reed to TDR he can make and tailor them as far as specific thickness and weave material that will perform AND live , you won't be sorry, my race and recreational customers sure haven't been for many many years...


JMO ,
Jay

[jphii]

No comparison between Boyesens and CCMS reeds. CCMS are much better.

[Dingie 2]

You can buy any reed that you want but just because TDR doesn't have your reed listed won't mean that he can't make one for your application. Tony and I worked togeather and he made me his first set of Yamaha v-4 reeds, You can measure what is needed or mail him a reed for a sample he will work with you if you want to. Joe RQUOTE=95glas;1872803]looking at getting a set of reeds in the near future for my 88 spl.. so far narrowed down to either chris carson or boyesen, tdr doesn't make reeds for my application...any other manufacturers? how does boyesen compare to chris carson reeds? from what boyesen sent me, sounds like most of the gains ( idle, holeshot, etc are improved because dual stage design) but are also available in a carbon fiber design as well.. would be a prop change be necessary? sorta new to this coming from snowmobile background- if made any hp change there- a clutching change would be adviseable to make use of added hp[/QUOTE]

[sschefer]

Never ran Boysens. Won't run steel. I run CCMS reeds by default and haven't had a reason to try anything else yet. The CCMS family are great to deal with, the support is fantastic, the product works just like they say, the prices are great.. Prove to me there's something wrong with all that and I'll switch....

But, out of all fairness, I heard the same was true about TDR, I just found CCMS first. Any way you look at it, with either Jay or Chris at your side you can't go too far wrong.

Regarding Boysen's, do a search on the internet and read the comments in blogs, etc. Lot's of negatives. It could be that they are a more popular name in the general boating populace and a lot of the buyers have no clue how to install a set of reeds correctly.

[95glas]

sent another email to tdr to see if they can make a set for my application, anyone try boyesen's carbon fiber reed? any performance difference between fiberglass and carbon fiber?

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

95glas,I think you will be pleased with our reeds,if you give them a try,chris

[TDR_50]

95glas,

I sent you a e-mail. I need all the particulars on the engine so I can get you the correct ones for the application .

[Jay Smith]

WELCOME to Scream and Fly Tony .........

Jay

[Jacob]

Subscribed....

[mrcrsr]

great to have you hear tony to educate all of us on this topic:D:D welcome to scream and fly, finally!!!!!

[95glas]

95glas,

I sent you a e-mail. I need all the particulars on the engine so I can get you the correct ones for the application .
responded to, having owned atvs - banshee,lt250r, etc and snowmobiles- prefer to deal with well known companies

[riverrat150]

I used a set of boyesen on my 88 spl and was very happy with them, but I was also running a jet pump instead of a prop, just my 2 cents.

[95glas]

anyone know if the johnson 90 and 88 hp take the same reeds? more info on the tdr reeds..other than the price?

[Jay Smith]

"Dispute" I don't thinks thats Tony's intent. He has been building reed valves for Outboards, Banshee's , ATV's , Snow mobiles , and every other 2 cycle engines for 30 + years . One with that vast knowledge could help with reed questions and share his formula for his LONG LONG success in the business...

My bet is that Tony Doukas Racing Reed Valves will obtain Scream and Fly Support Vendor status VERY SOON ! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Again Welcome Aboard Tony and Lisa Doukas @ TDR.....

Jay

[scc82]

all V4 crossflow reeds are the same 88spl, 90, 115, 140, ect.

[mrcrsr]

"Dispute" I don't thinks thats Tony's intent. He has been building reed valves for Outboards, Banshee's , ATV's , Snow mobiles , and every other 2 cycle engines for 30 + years . One with that vast knowledge could help with reed questions and share his formula for his LONG LONG success in the business...

My bet is that Tony Doukas Racing Reed Valves will obtain Scream and Fly Support Vendor status VERY SOON ! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Again Welcome Aboard Tony and Lisa Doukas @ TDR.....

Jay he's been around awhile(to say the least:smiletest:), i remember using his reeds in my rz 350 back in the day:D w/ his years of testing and knowledge he will be an asset to have here!

[vnemous]

A little "friendly" competition between vendors is good:thumbsup: It brings prices down:eek:

PS Im running TDR's via Jay Smith:cheers:

[95glas]

95glas,I think you will be pleased with our reeds,if you give them a try,chris
looked into that...was only given price nothing else, sent pm about 2 wks ago asking for more info... no reply yet...

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

95glas,I thought we had it covered as to information,I had pm'ed you some info,and Stan pm'ed you his work,cell,and email address.Give me a call at 305 394 3354,if you are unclear on anything,chris

[95glas]

95glas,I thought we had it covered as to information,I had pm'ed you some info,and Stan pm'ed you his work,cell,and email address.Give me a call at 305 394 3354,if you are unclear on anything,chris
Reeds are 80$,chris,you'll like em.

about all i got

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

You have all our numbers,call if interested,chris

[HStream1]

WELCOME to Scream and Fly Tony .........

Jay

:thumbsup::thumbsup: I second that. Welcome Tony!!!

[Raceman]

sent another email to tdr to see if they can make a set for my application, anyone try boyesen's carbon fiber reed? any performance difference between fiberglass and carbon fiber?
This has been posted many times, but seems like whenever these reed discussions come up it maybe needs repeating:

For the average lake boater, changing the reed material is good for ONLY minor differences in idle and MAYBE some mid range. The ONLY way a reed can increase top end power is IF it allows more air injestion into the engine. There's nothing in the replacement of the reed material with NO OTHER CHANGES that is going to cause more air injestion. Performance in most cases should be measured in idle, mid range and ESPECIALLY durability. Those who think reeds are a speed enhancing bolt on are almost always disappointed.;)

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

This has been posted many times, but seems like whenever these reed discussions come up it maybe needs repeating:

For the average lake boater, changing the reed material is good for ONLY minor differences in idle and MAYBE some mid range. The ONLY way a reed can increase top end power is IF it allows more air injestion into the engine. There's nothing in the replacement of the reed material with NO OTHER CHANGES that is going to cause more air. Performance in most cases should be measured in idle, mid range and ESPECIALLY durability. Those who think reeds are a speed enhancing bolt on are almost always disappointed.;)

Not always,a lighter more flexable reed certainly should have potential for more flow,not all motors have borderline restrictive reeds so not all motors benefit at top end,just my opinion,but an opinion shared by a some good company.

[racerx]

Raceman this is a war as who can sell the most reeds,thats all this is.i have seen motors bought off the merc truck, at jasper,just changing the heads,and going out and winning pro gas with,factory reeds..

[Raceman]

Raceman this is a war as who can sell the most reeds,thats all this is.i have seen motors bought off the merc truck, at jasper,just changing the heads,and going out and winning pro gas with,factory reeds..

I agree Jeff. I've always thought composite reeds were a worthwhile addition to most any high perf outboard, for safety if nothing else, but just hope that people who spend their hard earned money on 'em do so with reasonable expectations. A lot of people aren't going to spit out a hundred bucks or more ESPECIALLY changing from one brand of composite to another unless they're expecting to read it on the speedo, and that's usually not the case. I run 'em in everything I own except the inline 1500's, but haven't done it expecting top end increases.;)

[95glas]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: I second that. Welcome Tony!!!
supposed to be a supporting vendor as of next week...idle/ mid range is where i am looking for improvement as mid range where spend most of my time

[THEFERMANATOR]

I ran a set of the BOYESENS in my 225 for about 5 hours of run time, and then it started idling like crap and spitting and coughing on cold starts BADLY! Switched to the TDR's and have put about 120 trouble free hours on them. The BOYESENS did seem to have a tamer smooth idle to them at first, but this was very short lived. The TDR's seal off very well and perform nicely, run's much better than the stock metal ones did. Plus it was a stock metal one that windowed my block before, and several of them were fatiged and bent at the base when I rebuilt it. The safety factor of a non metal reed is nice no matter who's reed it is.

[eggsuckindog_]

never ran boysens. Won't run steel. I run ccms reeds by default and haven't had a reason to try anything else yet. The ccms family are great to deal with, the support is fantastic, the product works just like they say, the prices are great.. Prove to me there's something wrong with all that and i'll switch....

But, out of all fairness, i heard the same was true about tdr, i just found ccms first. Any way you look at it, with either jay or chris at your side you can't go too far wrong.

Regarding boysen's, do a search on the internet and read the comments in blogs, etc. Lot's of negatives. It could be that they are a more popular name in the general boating populace and a lot of the buyers have no clue how to install a set of reeds correctly.


ditto - I also picked up 3mph at 3400 - 25+ to 28+ which is my low end cruise - stillin breakin though but it sure is quieter too

[Raceman]

ditto - I also picked up 3mph at 3400 - 25+ to 28+ which is my low end cruise - stillin breakin though but it sure is quieter too

Unfortunately this is the kind of statement that influences inexperienced people buy reeds for the wrong reasons. It is IMPOSSIBLE to "pick up 3 MPH at 3400 RPM" because you changed the reeds. 3400 is 3400 and it's going to push the boat at the same speed REGARDLESS of what you've got in it for reeds.;)

[mirage243]

Unfortunately this is the kind of statement that influences inexperienced people buy reeds for the wrong reasons. It is IMPOSSIBLE to "pick up 3 MPH at 3400 RPM" because you changed the reeds. 3400 is 3400 and it's going to push the boat at the same speed REGARDLESS of what you've got in it for reeds.;)

Unbelievable, how long did it take you to figure that out Norris?:D

[eggsuckindog_]

OK different prop too, but still 19" pitch - feel like putting the old one back on but it is much much quieter - I knew somebody would catch that LOL

[HStream1]

OK different prop too, but still 19" pitch - feel like putting the old one back on but it is much much quieter - I knew somebody would catch that LOL

Stop while you are ahead?? I think you missed the point RM was making. Inaccurate/not complete information causes less experienced to go off half cocked and do the wrong thing for all the wrong reasons.

You never mentioned a prop change so what you posted could be attributed to reeds alone.

[Jacob]

ditto - I also picked up 3mph at 3400
I'm sold :D:D:D:D:D:D:D The reeds are so good that at the same speed your going faster:D:D:D:D:D

I'm sure CCM and TDR offer a comparable product which are way better than anything else out there. I guess it more or less balls down to personal preference between the 2 and definitely the application they are being used in. Raceman is %110 correct and his advice should be noted when purchasing aftermarket reeds, he has nothing to gain either way just advising you on what you should expect out of your purchase. I am about to order a set for a OMC V4 myself. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[eggsuckindog_]

I know