Comp or not???

[BeefKid]

im wonderin how i can tell if a boat is truely a comp... how do i tell if this vector is a tru comp or not? whats the difference in the VINs or what not? anyone know?
i have am not worried bout mine but i would like to know...
Thanks
Beef

[Baja16]

Post up some pics... Most comp. boats have the C.G. capacity plate that states the boat was intended for racing only.

[BeefKid]

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/koolkid620/vector4.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/koolkid620/vector6.jpg
this is the one i got that is a comp... got a buddy lookin at one and i thought it was kinda on the heavy side for a comp

[JWTjr.]

or someone did a very good job replicating the exact seatbox/torque bridge and stringer setup on a comp Vector. I would say it's 99% likely that it's a competition model.

The CG plate on comp HydroStreams was different than the "pleasure" versions in that they did designate the comp status. The serial numbers (as far as I know...very early models could be different) did not designate a comp vs. a production hull.

John

[BeefKid]

or someone did a very good job replicating the exact seatbox/torque bridge and stringer setup on a comp Vector. I would say it's 99% likely that it's a competition model.

The CG plate on comp HydroStreams was different than the "pleasure" versions in that they did designate the comp status. The serial numbers (as far as I know...very early models could be different) did not designate a comp vs. a production hull.

John

i know for a fact that the pictured one (mine) is a comp know a couple guys that know the boat and know who bought it new so not worried bout this one but like i said my buddy is looking at one and was told it was in the 600-650lbs range so idk if it is rotten or not a comp

thanks for the info:thumbsup:

[Baja16]

That looks like Hydrostreams comp lay out. I havent seen what Schramers Comp Vector looks like inside but Streamin101 has a comp Ventura and it the same as yours. Four thin stringers, basically the same seat box and that sub floor thing under the bow. Streamins Ventura also has a full core and the deck is lighter and i thought had 2X4's glassed to the under side for strength. It's actaully pretty tough boat though...

[FlowMaxx]

i know for a fact that the pictured one (mine) is a comp know a couple guys that know the boat and know who bought it new so not worried bout this one but like i said my buddy is looking at one and was told it was in the 600-650lbs range so idk if it is rotten or not a comp

thanks for the info:thumbsup:

IMO if it is 600 plus pounds it is not a comp. Just my non expert opinion :D

[BeefKid]

IMO if it is 600 plus pounds it is not a comp. Just my non expert opinion :D

thats what im sayin!! heard mine was in the 400s:eek:... im wantin to try and get it down closer to shramers if its really 350

[Hydrovair]

Beef, Do you have comp in FL yet?? Good luck with the rigging, and can't wait to see it run.:cheers:

[Hydrovair]

The other boat in question would it be black??

[BeefKid]

The other boat in question would it be black??

yeah its in FL but im not lol be back next week:D im excited... no its not the black on i know which one your talkin bout. this one is in texas and it isnt on here i havent seen it up for sale so

[JWTjr.]

most don't weigh what they're advertised to weigh. a sub-400 lb. boat is paper thin. When Mod-VP was really "MOD-VP", the top contenders built 400-lb. boats...that generally lasted a season or less. That's why most of them are gone.

John

[paul folks]

yeah the guy says he knows its a comp but says he thinks it in the 500lb range here is a quick pic waiting for more pix...

[Way2slow on H2O]

Beef, wait till you push on the deck, lol, it'll almost hold up a sea gull :D

The original owner said the deck looked like a flag blowin in the wind at 100mph :reddevil:

Your's weighed 420 lbs when built and the bottom was trued by the 2nd owner so it's a lil heavier now. The seat was offset for torque for a nitrous motor :thumbsup:

[Raceman]

The Comp Vector that I had in the '70's was stiff enough that you could walk on the deck, while the recent one was paper thin on top, so maybe ole' Howard would lay em up different ways depending on customer preference. My old '70's boat had the to of the upper wings cut off (where the rear of the windshield support would mount) and was decked over solid. It was black. I'd sure like to know where it went if anybody ever runs across it. Somebody saw it around Atlanta about 10 or 12 yrs ago and the clown selling it was swearing it was a one off factory prototype, but it was actually a Georgia backyard hack job..........although the fact that it would pass as factory done was flattering to our workmanship.:D

[BeefKid]

Beef, wait till you push on the deck, lol, it'll almost hold up a sea gull :D

The original owner said the deck looked like a flag blowin in the wind at 100mph :reddevil:

Your's weighed 420 lbs when built and the bottom was trued by the 2nd owner so it's a lil heavier now. The seat was offset for torque for a nitrous motor :thumbsup:

lol... so i should leave tha seat offset for tha torque of this johnny rude right:confused: if the mercury needed it then i definitely do... :p:p:p:cheers:
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[motorheadbishop]

Subscribed...;)

[Raceman]

lol... so i should leave tha seat offset for tha torque of this johnny rude right:confused: if the mercury needed it then i definitely do... :p:p:p:cheers:
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NOOOOOOOO, you misread the post. He said TORQUE, not PORK.:D:D:D

[motorheadbishop]

noooooooo, you misread the post. He said torque, not pork.:d:d:d

:p omg...

[baja200merk]

NOOOOOOOO, you misread the post. He said TORQUE, not PORK.:D:D:D

hes a chicken

now we got all the meats covered :D

here goes this thread :p

Raceman i dont think you have ever been the cause of a thread's demise :p congrats hahaha!

[jenksam]

DAMN YOU BEAT ME TO IT.:eek: ALSO THE BOAT MIGHT BE A LIGHT WEIGHT BUT WAIT TILL YOUR DONE AND THEN GET IN IT. IT WONT BE TRUST ME I KNOW THIS ONE ALL TO WELL:o. LIGHT BOAT++ BIG MOTOR++ ENOUGH GAS TO RUN THE THING ON THE BACK++A PORK CHOP YOU STILL GOT THE RUB RAIL UNDER THE WATER:p:p:D:cheers:


NOOOOOOOO, you misread the post. He said TORQUE, not PORK.:D:D:D

[BeefKid]

NOOOOOOOO, you misread the post. He said TORQUE, not PORK.:D:D:D

YEAH SURE!!:D

:p omg...

u scured!!


DAMN YOU BEAT ME TO IT.:eek: ALSO THE BOAT MIGHT BE A LIGHT WEIGHT BUT WAIT TILL YOUR DONE AND THEN GET IN IT. IT WONT BE TRUST ME I KNOW THIS ONE ALL TO WELL:o. LIGHT BOAT++ BIG MOTOR++ ENOUGH GAS TO RUN THE THING ON THE BACK++A PORK CHOP YOU STILL GOT THE RUB RAIL UNDER THE WATER:p:p:D:cheers:

hey Spankhttp://freeonlinemoviesforum.com/images/smilies/1928_middle_finger.gifthere aint gonna be anything in that boat but a gas tank battery and one seat.... i see a light weight cowling in the future too:eek:

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[speedinstream]

I have a 82 v king never drilled for windsheild, paper thin deck,rigged center steer,dual opposing cables,all factory, but someone put a floor in it.My guess is to make it a little more pleasure boat like.Still very much lighter than previous kings i've had.I dont believe floor was do to rot boat is like new.Just always wanted to know if it was comp sure feels like it [weight]

[Raceman]

I have a 82 v king never drilled for windsheild, paper thin deck,rigged center steer,dual opposing cables,all factory, but someone put a floor in it.My guess is to make it a little more pleasure boat like.Still very much lighter than previous kings i've had.I dont believe floor was do to rot boat is like new.Just always wanted to know if it was comp sure feels like it [weight]

All the comp boats had stringers like the white one earlier in this thread. Even with a floor, they're hard to hide. I'm not but about 10 miles from Eatonton. I'd like to see it sometime. HalfFast runs Chris Justice Marine out close to the Pyramid. If you don't know him you oughta'.;)

[speedinstream]

I know chris well he has seen boat,I would like to meet some local go fast guys.Bowt tired of running by myself.

[jenksam]

I THINK YOUR MISSIN THE POINT:nonod::nonod: STEP ON THE SCALE AND LOOK DOWN THEN YOU MIGHT GET IT:D


hey Spankhttp://freeonlinemoviesforum.com/images/smilies/1928_middle_finger.gifthere aint gonna be anything in that boat but a gas tank battery and one seat.... i see a light weight cowling in the future too:eek:

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[AwesomeBullet]

I THINK YOUR MISSIN THE POINT:nonod::nonod: STEP ON THE SCALE AND LOOK DOWN THEN YOU MIGHT GET IT:D

LMAO!!!!:eek::D:D

[Jacob]

A true comp has no core, this holds true for my 84'.

[BeefKid]

I THINK YOUR MISSIN THE POINT:nonod::nonod: STEP ON THE SCALE AND LOOK DOWN THEN YOU MIGHT GET IT:D

Yeah i got that part did you get this one

http://freeonlinemoviesforum.com/images/smilies/1928_middle_finger.gif or http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/846.png so mine and your boat should prob weigh the same then hah:thumbsup::D <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

[jenksam]

YEP NOW YOU GOT IT:p:reddevil: BUT MINE IS STILL FASTER:D


Yeah i got that part did you get this one

http://freeonlinemoviesforum.com/images/smilies/1928_middle_finger.gif or http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/846.png so mine and your boat should prob weigh the same then hah:thumbsup::D <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

[speedinstream]

What would be considered light for a rigged ready to run stream.

[paul folks]

here is the vin: HSP318VTM79C 1979Hydrostream Vector Comp

[motorheadbishop]

What would be considered light for a rigged ready to run stream.

:iagree:I'd like to hear some numbers...
(everything RTR minus motor...)

[paul folks]

here a few pix also posted vin in above post..

[motorheadbishop]

Hey Drew,
I'm gonna put one vote for (not a Comp)
do to the fact If you look a a true Comp the stringer are normally
spread out evenly thou-out the floor and then tied in with at least
a cross rib or two... Take Beef's comp for Example:
1)Notice the spacing on the bottom two stringer
Your spacing is like mine (close) Non-comp
2) two upper stringers were diffentaly an after thought
and were done w/ 2x4's in stead of 1x's
3) no where am I seeing were the stringers are tied together
from side to side, With that being said I would imagine the boat does alot
of twisting unless, there is alot glass in the bottom,
but I would think if it were a comp with no cross strength it would twist
and break... Notice Beef's cross rib is under the front seat, it ties the the outer
stinger to the inner stringers and to the floor, thus keeps the boat from twisting
But I've been wronge before...JMHO!!!:thumbsup:

[samari]

I just finished a core and floor in my standard '77 viper. The bare hull weighs 473.

[baja200merk]

Hey Drew,
I'm gonna put one vote for (not a Comp)
do to the fact If you look a a true Comp the stringer are normally
spread out evenly thou-out the floor and then tied in with at least
a cross rib or two... Take Beef's comp for Example:
1)Notice the spacing on the bottom two stringer
Your spacing is like mine (close) Non-comp
2) two upper stringers were diffentaly an after thought
and were done w/ 2x4's in stead of 1x's
3) no where am I seeing were the stringers are tied together
from side to side, With that being said I would imagine the boat does alot
of twisting unless, there is alot glass in the bottom,
but I would think if it were a comp with no cross strength it would twist
and break... Notice Beef's cross rib is under the front seat, it ties the the outer
stinger to the inner stringers and to the floor, thus keeps the boat from twisting
But I've been wronge before...JMHO!!!:thumbsup:

:iagree: with all the above and it looks cored (although some comps were cored most were not). Easiest way to tell if its a comp or not is put your beer on the dash, if the dash sags its a comp or make a 90+mph pass and if the deck waves like a flag in the wind... well you get it :eek:

still doesnt mean its a bad boat, at 600 rigged it would still be a fun ride. i would just put some cross braces between the stringers and make sure you dont pay for a "comp" if its not:thumbsup:

http://i41.tinypic.com/73ms80.jpg

I'm no expert
Kevin:thumbsup:

[motorheadbishop]

:iagree: with all the above and it looks cored (although some comps were cored most were not).

still doesnt mean its a bad boat, at 600 rigged it would still be a fun ride. i would just put some cross braces between the stringers and make sure you dont pay for a "comp" if its not:thumbsup:

http://i41.tinypic.com/73ms80.jpg



Kevin:thumbsup:


Man I'd love to have that boat!!!!
Thats one bad S.O.B.
That one is Defentaly on top as one of the Bad Boy Hydrostream's!!!

[baja200merk]

Man I'd love to have that boat!!!!
Thats one bad S.O.B.
That one is Defentaly on top as one of the Bad Boy Hydrostream's!!!

Yup, probably the single most fun boat i have ever driven. Thanks mickey:cheers:

[paul folks]

i know he cut the old stringers out and did his own and also cut the splash well out and filled it in.... i agree that i dont thinks its a real comp what about the one jacob has it sure does look like a real comp...

[BeefKid]

i know he cut the old stringers out and did his own and also cut the splash well out and filled it in.... i agree that i dont thinks its a real comp what about the one jacob has it sure does look like a real comp...

the jacob has is i comp im pretty sure... looks to be the same stringer look as mine
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[paul folks]

his just need a bit of work.. which if i get it cheap enough i dont mine have to talk to jack and see what he'll charge and im still trying to have enough green backs left 2 grap up a lil white action...

[BeefKid]

his just need a bit of work.. which if i get it cheap enough i dont mine have to talk to jack and see what he'll charge and im still trying to have enough green backs left 2 grap up a lil white action...

grab that lil white action and see what jack will charge to lighten it up:thumbsup::thumbsup::p:p
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[paul folks]

matt dont need a light boat remember hes a new driver.... not sure if i want 2 hang a 200 on it for him im think a 150... comp would be for me to play with might get a capsule boat though... anyways what do you guys think the vector i posted on here is worth??

[baja200merk]

That transom looks ugly!

If they had to band-aid it like that I'd be second guessing the transom. It is probably strong but if the transom was done right they wouldnt have needed that ugly band-aid glass repair. :nonod: As for what its worth, i dono.. I know what it would have to be for me to buy it :nonod: :leaving:

Drew- u need to come drive the action before you get into a light vector! Your not gonna jump in the action and stick it on the mat within the first 8 hrs your in it. The action is 10X EASIER TO DRIVE THEN A LIGHT VECTOR :eek: Think about it like that, its not the tunnel boats ur used to ;)

[paul folks]

hey hey now i drove ally's before tunnels.... hes offering $3500 and the vector plus meeting me 3/4 of the way for the stv.... also have the guy up your way that wants it if i hold it untill may then have another guy in starke that wants it but is trying to get cash together also... as for the transom he said he noticed a few little stress cracks and patched them w/ the glass and will sand it and paint before i get the boat, but i dont thinks its a true comp but is it still worth say $1k boat and trailer rigged w/o trim or fuel pump...

[baja200merk]

I'm breakin ur ballz ;) You do need to come drive it!

As for the stv/vector trade that deal doesnt sound bad:thumbsup: but its up to you :cheers:

[motorheadbishop]

matt dont need a light boat remember hes a new driver.... not sure if i want 2 hang a 200 on it for him im think a 150... comp would be for me to play with might get a capsule boat though... anyways what do you guys think the vector i posted on here is worth??

Would not say too much, hull and trailer <$1500 JMO
I would say its heavier than 600 rigged as well, but could be wronge...
(beleave me 600lbs comes up quick):reddevil:
The one Jacob has is a Comp. the only problem is,
is it's been out in the elements too long and probley needs
a complete rebuild (stingers,& transome) then you got to figure out
how the fix the deck stress cracks everywhere, do to it being such a light
lay up,It can be fixed but more glass will need to be added for strength plus fresh paint gel or whatever for color... After fixing it to make it lake worthy, you will still have a comp boat but unfortunatly it will weigh as much as a standard lay up boat!!!! JMO:thumbsup:

[baja200merk]

After fixing it to make it lake worthy, you will still have a comp boat but unfortunatly it will weigh as much as a standard lay up boat!!!! JMO:thumbsup:

I thing 1-1500 on trailer with the transom painted is fair for it.

as for jacobs comp, Even if you laid some light glass over the whole deck to hide the stress cracks like alaskastreamin did on his viper it would still be a lighter then a regular boat but it does need complete restoration:eek:

[paul folks]

i know i want 2 be light like you guys... there a little white motor thats been callin my 260 out the whole time ive been building it and i know i cant out run him in 800' or 1/4 w/ this tank of an stv i have now if i can get him 2 let em eat for a few miles wot itd be a diff story... ill never be able 2 hang w/ ole kevin though...

[paul folks]

yeah and transom and stringers arent cheap when you dont have the know how to do it your self..

[baja200merk]

t-1 is heavier then you think :leaving:

[BeefKid]

Would not say too much, hull and trailer <$1500 JMO
I would say its heavier than 600 rigged as well, but could be wronge...
(beleave me 600lbs comes up quick):reddevil:
The one Jacob has is a Comp. the only problem is,
is it's been out in the elements too long and probley needs
a complete rebuild (stingers,& transome) then you got to figure out
how the fix the deck stress cracks everywhere, do to it being such a light
lay up,It can be fixed but more glass will need to be added for strength plus fresh paint gel or whatever for color... After fixing it to make it lake worthy, you will still have a comp boat but unfortunatly it will weigh as much as a standard lay up boat!!!! JMO:thumbsup:

:iagree::iagree:600 is heavy for a comp... aint that light in general:rolleyes::eek: lol but jacobs boat does need alot of work... i wouldnt be surprised if it was rotten but it would be a good project and with all the stress cracks i would use the top deck as a mold and build another one :D


i know i want 2 be light like you guys... there a little white motor thats been callin my 260 out the whole time ive been building it and i know i cant out run him in 800' or 1/4 w/ this tank of an stv i have now if i can get him 2 let em eat for a few miles wot itd be a diff story... ill never be able 2 hang w/ ole kevin though...

lol ill hang it out with ya if you want just to see... the stv and the action prob pretty close in weight and you got me with the light mota:rolleyes:... the vector is a different story:thumbsup::cheers: come on to tarpon boy lets do this:cheers::cheers:

We will find out right after i pass that white t1!!!:eek::eek::leaving::D

[motorheadbishop]

t-1 is heavier then you think :leaving:

Yeh Kevin but it has A/C...:p

[mickeyjr]

http://i41.tinypic.com/73ms80.jpg



That's a sexy boat rite there! What kind of fool would part with a boat like that?!

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SOME GUY IN NORTH FL.,CALLS HIMSELF MICKEY jr :p :cheers: :p

[paul folks]

i know right and replaced it w/ a mirage wut wuz he thinking??

[speedinstream]

How accurate do you think truck stop scales would be for weighing something light as a boat?

[baja200merk]

You would get an idea as to what it weighed, no two scales will be exact. my buddy weighed his ally and i dont wanna believe what it told him and neither does he :eek:

[paul folks]

lol sounds like me w/ the stv @ jacks shop

[Jacob]

The one Jacob has is a Comp. the only problem is,
is it's been out in the elements too long and probley needs
a complete rebuild (stingers,& transome) then you got to figure out
how the fix the deck stress cracks everywhere, do to it being such a light
lay up,It can be fixed but more glass will need to be added for strength plus fresh paint gel or whatever for color... After fixing it to make it lake worthy, you will still have a comp boat but unfortunatly it will weigh as much as a standard lay up boat!!!! JMO:thumbsup:
It definitely needs stringer as stated in my ad and the transom.....well we'll leave that up to the buyers discretion. I have described the boat very well in my ad, and I am open to questions and more pictures. IMO it would be almost too much work to try and "fix" the stress cracks on the deck, I was just gonna light sand and throw some paint on it. :cheers::cheers:


:iagree::iagree:600 is heavy for a comp... aint that light in general:rolleyes::eek: lol but jacobs boat does need alot of work... i wouldnt be surprised if it was rotten but it would be a good project and with all the stress cracks i would use the top deck as a mold and build another one :D

The stringers, seat base, and foot throttle mounting box are rotten. As I stated in the ad. But, no core to worry about :D:D:D:D

[Raceman]

That's a sexy boat rite there! What kind of fool would part with a boat like that?!
I've been askin' myself the same exact question.:(:(:(


SOME GUY IN NORTH FL.,CALLS HIMSELF MICKEY jr :p :cheers: :p
And then a bigger fool in Georgia

[baja200merk]

where did it go norris?

Jacob how much you looking to get boat and trailer?

[Jacob]

I'll split it down the middle-- $1000.00 boat and trailer or $1000.00 complete engine. Guys, every person that has looked at this thing has told me they were expecting it to be in worst condition due to my description. I AM NOT HIDING ANYTHING. It is exactly as described and if you read my ad you can plainly see I didn't "sugar coat" anything. I hate to let it go but tooo other projects going on right now. The hull and pad are in very good shape for a 25 year old boat. Not perfect but no gouges and it is clean and slick with a good shine. It seems a few people have assumptions about this boat but have never seen it. This boat is cosmetically challenged :D but structurally just needs a little tlc. If you want a LIGHT FAST hull this is it, if you want a ready to run show boat....look elsewhere. :cheers::cheers::cheers:

[baja200merk]

I appreciate your honesty, i responded to your PM.

Kevin

[Raceman]

where did it go norris?

I can't say at this point, but it'll be showin' up soon. I've got SEVERE seller's anxiety over it. My storage crisis is severe now. One of the building that I keep some of my stuff in is leased instead of me owning it, and it's been under contract for a future Kroger Superstore development for about 6 months, and I could have to move at any time now with 60 days notice. The building still houses 2 of my old boats and 11 cars, and I've got NOTHING available to replace it within any reasonable rent factor. Even with shuffling stuff around, I was at the point of having to put the 'Stream outside under a boat cover along with several cars, or liquidating some stuff. The 'Stream, being the latest aquisition made the most sense, ESPECIALLY since I had the opportunity to put it up for adoption with a VERY good home.

[Jacob]

I posted some videos of the boat for those of you that were asking for more pics http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1869231#post1869231

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I can't say at this point, but it'll be showin' up soon. I've got SEVERE seller's anxiety over it. My storage crisis is severe now. One of the building that I keep some of my stuff in is leased instead of me owning it, and it's been under contract for a future Kroger Superstore development for about 6 months, and I could have to move at any time now with 60 days notice. The building still houses 2 of my old boats and 11 cars, and I've got NOTHING available to replace it within any reasonable rent factor. Even with shuffling stuff around, I was at the point of having to put the 'Stream outside under a boat cover along with several cars, or liquidating some stuff. The 'Stream, being the latest aquisition made the most sense, ESPECIALLY since I had the opportunity to put it up for adoption with a VERY good home.

Did Mickey get 1st chance at it ?

[baja200merk]

yea mickey was tellin me to go get it months ago so i would imagine he knew.

Kevin

[paul folks]

the 1 im getting did come from the factory w/o core and was set up like beefs but when he put new non wood stringer he didnt add the cross brace in so he says and the nose had extra glass laid over it when it was painted also to make it so u can slide down the sides and transom was replaced 2yrs ago along w/ the stringers and didnt use wood also filled thye splash well area in @ same time he noticed stress cracks after a little over a yr and glassed over it but didnt paint it after has these funky tabs on both side will remove those... also should i remove the hook??

[Raceman]

... also should i remove the hook??

Jeeze Drew, don't get that started on this thread............ it'll turn into a 5 page debate like all the other times the subject comes up. Go find the recent thread that says Viper Hook, the truth, and read it. http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204921

Hook debates are almost as bad as 2 stroke oil and magic tuners and reeds that give ungodly speed increases.;)

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Amen to that Raceman, there is enough on other threads.

[paul folks]

yup just seen that but talked 2 micky and old buddy gene remco both said makes them fast but not safe so it will stay...