way2slowonh2o

[TEXAS20225]

Ronnie you running any Wizards call me i got some not so good news from a Racer Bud from up north he is pissed:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[kubelwagonman]

im clark his buddy an i dont think he runs those high dollar pos's.....has a motor with them but in his hyrdo mota i dont think so

[Ted Stryker]

Is there a such thing as a good Merc piston for a Hi-Po nic motor..?:(

[WATERWINGS]

Is there something wrong with Wizards?

I have a motor on the bench with Wizards in it that I will run soon......Is there something I should know?

[TEXAS20225]

with some engine failure with some too thin skirts or so i heard i dont know anything for a fact cause i was not there but Im calling Ruck about some work for me monday and he knows something bout it

[Way2slow on H2O]

Ronnie you running any Wizards call me i got some not so good news from a Racer Bud from up north he is pissed:eek::eek::eek::eek:Yup, but I don't thin the skirt so I should be good :thumbsup: (who the hell thins skirts on an already thinned area???) The 1st few sets were used and already thinned but were used as test slugs for nitrous experimenting :reddevil:

Haven't had a single problem with original "wizard" pistons :thumbsup:

[RBT]

Anytime you thin the skirts you don't do the motor any favors, that being said I have installed 14 sets of wizards and am doing 4 more sets in a few weeks and none have issues so far.

[Way2slow on H2O]

im clark his buddy an i dont think he runs those high dollar pos's.....has a motor with them but in his hyrdo mota i dont think soI'm currently running Vertex slugs as an experiment.... can't wait to report what 12,800 rpm with nitrous will do to them :D

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

I just talked to Ruck yesterday, he asked what pistons I was gonna' use, I told him Wizards and he didn't say anything bad about them.
Now ya' got me nervous after my Pro Marine-Mahle fiasco, there is definitely more meat in the skirts on the wizards than the mahles though

[TEXAS20225]

like i say i was not there so i dont know nothing for sure and im not a drag mota builder but a mota builder but something was in ref to too thin skirts caused the melt down i know they have a great reputation also i dont know if its something some body did to it as it make it better after thought (a add on to the piston as comes or what

[Way2slow on H2O]

Anytime you thin the skirts you don't do the motor any favors, that being said I have installed 14 sets of wizards and am doing 4 more sets in a few weeks and none have issues so far.:thumbsup: Rodney Nance is my witness to how much nitrous I can put to these Wizards :reddevil: so if they can live under those conditions, the rest of em will last "who knows how long"!!! :cheers:

I think Bobby is referring to "another" Wizard ROFLMAO!!!

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

:thumbsup: Rodney Nance is my witness to how much nitrous I can put to these Wizards :reddevil: so if they can live under those conditions, the rest of em will last "who knows how long"!!! :cheers:
WHEEEEEEEEEEW, Heartbeat returning to normal!:cheers:

[TEXAS20225]

Ronnie im trying my first set of Vertex on the 2.5 i just got back from ruck but i wont be puttin them in the blast furnace with yours:D:D:D i also know you are a very experimental person so thats what i was doing just asking not trying to blow everybodys blood pressure 1st day of 2010 happy new year

[mrcrsr]

i have several motors runnin' around w/ vertex, i do have them all limited to 7500 rpm, and there still side pinned, no reason to spend more money, i have yet to hear of the pins coming out, even w/ the dsra guys spinning them 9500 plus!

[TEXAS20225]

yes im hearing the same thing so i got a set ill be putting in, nice looking pistons too . only down side is starboard piston are stamped up side down and for a guy with some timers there could be some R&R going on :eek::eek:ill Get TW or Ronnie to keep an eye on me (somebody has to) :iagree::iagree:

[Way2slow on H2O]

Here's what happened today 1-2-2010, starting the new year off right!!! 1st time out in the Hydro since my accident and put an ass load of nitrous to these Wizards, flame cut through the head gasket, sleeve and cylinder, slight damage to the head, but look at the piston!!! No Damage!!!

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/way2slow_photo/Flamecut-1.jpg

[Ted Stryker]

Here's what happened today 1-2-2010, starting the new year off right!!! 1st time out in the Hydro since my accident and put an ass load of nitrous to these Wizards, flame cut through the head gasket, sleeve and cylinder, slight damage to the head, but look at the piston!!! No Damage!!!

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/way2slow_photo/Flamecut-1.jpg

Yeah right, I see that sneaky little "port" in the coolant passage... It looks to Me like a secret way to use water injection like a jet engine... :p

[TEXAS20225]

I think Ted is right your trying to make a water powered drag mota. that's more of that spearmentin you do all the time or maybe that lumber jack you sold the 200 to is sabotaging your mota. just tell him to load his fridge in da riders seat an he will be all level driving down the lake:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[TEXAS20225]

after all the surgical tiggin you did on that Z port that chunk there is nuttin you could fix it with your eyes shut and hands behind your back so you get the welding crown far as im concerned:cheers::iagree::cheers::iagree:

[Way2slow on H2O]

Yeah right, I see that sneaky little "port" in the coolant passage... It looks to Me like a secret way to use water injection like a jet engine... :pI pushed my luck on head gaskets with that much nitrous and 200 psi compression :D That set came out of the trash :reddevil: literally, my buddy replaced his Pro Marine gaskets when he read on here they're not a good gasket and I have to disagree.... that used gasket held up to a full year of abuse, 2 sets of heads, and well over 250 lbs of nitrous in 2009. :thumbsup:

[Way2slow on H2O]

after all the surgical tiggin you did on that Z port that chunk there is nuttin you could fix it with your eyes shut and hands behind your back so you get the welding crown far as im concerned:cheers::iagree::cheers::iagree:Hey Bobby, this can be the 1st weld job from your new TIG. I think I'll just weld it right on the boat, not even tear it down, and just keep on goin. :cheers:

[TEXAS20225]

have any nic rods so i could only weld on the liner we could put sum jb weld on de sleve

[Way2slow on H2O]

have any nic rods so i could only weld on the liner we could put sum jb weld on de slevewas thinkin of silver solder, maybe blend some nic, silver, and aluminum and use the piston as a shield to keep the rest of the nic safe :D

I knew that nitrous was gonna be potent today when I filled the bottle, it was throwin ice balls in my face when I released pressure from the hose, even told Dave over the phone it was "GOOD NITROUS" and would likely push the rods out... would tell ya what the speed and distance was before she laid down but dont wanna skeer anyone outta comin to the Winter Nats :reddevil:

[TEXAS20225]

dis aint no ac system or is it with them ventilation holes your making:D:D

[mrcrsr]

yes im hearing the same thing so i got a set ill be putting in, nice looking pistons too . only down side is starboard piston are stamped up side down and for a guy with some timers there could be some R&R going on :eek::eek:ill Get TW or Ronnie to keep an eye on me (somebody has to) :iagree::iagree: i know, first time i saw that i was like wtf??? weird!!! good pistons though

[tlwjkw]

Main thing is ta catch it BEFORE ya put tha rods on :thumbsup:


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... would tell ya what the speed and distance was before she laid down but dont wanna skeer anyone outta comin to the Winter Nats :reddevil:[/SIZE][/FONT]

How many "extra" motors are ya takin :p

[TEXAS20225]

you want to trade one of those clean hydraulic steering systems you got off i want to put one on my Bullet i got a 12" Detwiler hydraulic jack plate i took off the same boat its in good condition or you need some more nitros stuff, trim limiters, 5250 rods or call me

[Rodney Nance]

The coating still looks pretty could also.:thumbsup:

[TEXAS20225]

Tommy we gonna need a lot of wood next week for sure looks like its gonna cool off !you gonna tear up that Bridge port for a look see ????yep on them rods you gotta check me
(Main thing is ta catch it BEFORE ya put tha rods on )

[Way2slow on H2O]

you want to trade one of those clean hydraulic steering systems you got off i want to put one on my Bullet i got a 12" Detwiler hydraulic jack plate i took off the same boat its in good condition or you need some more nitros stuff, trim limiters, 5250 rods or call meBobby, this is a nice "Pro" set up.... would be perfect for that Bullet :thumbsup: I'll bring it over next week

[Way2slow on H2O]

The coating still looks pretty could also.:thumbsup:Rodney, I scattered the motor today (had a brain fart and remembered the block was full of water) and the pistons look almost new (just a slight scuff on #5 on the skirt) :thumbsup:

[Charger200]

Hey Bobby, this can be the 1st weld job from your new TIG. I think I'll just weld it right on the boat, not even tear it down, and just keep on goin. :cheers:



U reckon its safe to due that? I got 2 holes i gotta fill on the outside of the block, we were goin to strip n weld, unfortunatly i would have to pay for the strip and put back as i dont have the time this year, then we were thinkn bout epoxy, marine tex or kop kote, but you think its safe to weld with engine assembled?

I got pictures of the holes if you want ill pm them over to ya.

thanks jay

[jphii]

U reckon its safe to due that? I got 2 holes i gotta fill on the outside of the block, we were goin to strip n weld, unfortunatly i would have to pay for the strip and put back as i dont have the time this year, then we were thinkn bout epoxy, marine tex or kop kote, but you think its safe to weld with engine assembled?

I got pictures of the holes if you want ill pm them over to ya.

thanks jay

You wouldn't believe what you can do when you stop listening to what people tell you you can't do. Right Ronnie?:thumbsup:

[Charger200]

Hope you aint yankin my chain

[jphii]

Nope.

[tlwjkw]

Hey Bobby, this can be the 1st weld job from your new TIG. I think I'll just weld it right on the boat, not even tear it down, and just keep on goin. :cheers:



Are ya gonna take it ta Bobby's ta try out his "new" machine? If ya are I'll come over and "pimp" for ya.....................

Bobby, I got plenty a wood stacked right here by tha fireplace.......:p

[motorheadbishop]

You wouldn't believe what you can do when you stop listening to what people tell you you can't do.
:iagree:I like that!!!!

[tlwjkw]

We think Ronnie is real close ta being "KING" of tha experimenters.......:thumbsup:
Ain't scared ta try ANYTHING...............

[RBT]

We think Ronnie is real close ta being "KING" of tha experimenters.......:thumbsup:
Ain't scared ta try ANYTHING...............

How about trying to keep a motor together ;) (sorry couldn't help myself)

[Rodney Nance]

Good deal on the skirt coating holding up with the water but what you have really tested for me is the nitrous flame front blowing across the dome before the water started. The coating and the pistons worked!

[Rodney Nance]

Explain scattered. I hope that means you took it apart and have it laying on the bench.

[Charger200]

There any special prep work you guys do? The engine is wintereized so its been fogged in, should i run it again befor its welded fog it REAL good pull plugz n spray oil into bores turn it over then good to go?

[TEXAS20225]

i bought 5 lbs of silver solder:eek: anybody that can weld a Z port block back together that was hit with a Scud missile and blown into that 284 pieces can probably renic that special water jet hole back up with that solder and a bic ligther:eek::eek::eek::thumbsup:

[TEXAS20225]

Ronnie has turned out to be an excellent tig welder I believe its called necessity for survival this guy has the largest pile of exploded blocks on the planet :iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: stay wit um ronnie:thumbsup:

[Way2slow on H2O]

Jay, post pics, anythings possible. I weld some impossible stuff :D

Yeah Rodney, scattered= disassembled, wasn't thinking about all that water in the block until the next day... already had surface rust on the rods, bearings, and crank that quick.

I'll take pics of the "Z" port today :cheers: and the Drag block, the other drag block, and all 14 of the 260's :cheers:

Bobby, I'm seriously gonna weld that sleeve right to the cylinder, maybe the heat will blend some nic over the weld :D

[Charger200]

Jus lil things

http://i50.tinypic.com/10nyqo8.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/edqn8.jpg

[TEXAS20225]

Hittin da Crack pipe:D:D:D you aint going to believe this but when i was at church last nite some body brought me some fire wood and left it on the back porch and it was oak some of it burning right now:D:D:D

[TEXAS20225]

biggest deal is get it clean !!!!!!! BEFORE YOU START Acetone works best for me these spots are very fixable where they set if there is access for the Torch they are small compared to what Ronnie has welded up it amazing you should have seen the Z block before he started

[Way2slow on H2O]

It's welded, now I gotta assemble and do some testing :thumbsup: It had to come off the boat so I could deck it after the weld
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/way2slow_photo/Flamecutweld.jpg

Jay, clean those spots good with acetone and fill with JB Weld. Those look like the divider plate bolt holes that are common on blocks.

I received an email from a known engine builder that insists this repair was a waste of time and will cause even more damage if ran. So let's do this, we'll take a poll and see how many say no and how many say yes.... it's a simple yes or no, not "I dunno, not sure, etc". The ring is touching the weld/repair so it's "bare" aluminum 1/2" wide by 3/8" deep. Supposedly the heat and pressure (not so much the ring) will destroy the weld... True or Not??? If it don't hold I lose a piston (what's one more after 200+ :D) and I cut the sleeve out, weld it back up and install another sleeve (again, what's one more after a few hundred :reddevil:) hell, I might even weld the piston back up, who knows... been told I can't do that too :D

[TEXAS20225]

I say if ring passes over repaired spot its toast unless like you were saying you relieve ring in that area then MAYBE last 15 minutes or first 200hp injection:eek:

[Charger200]

Thanks guys.

Ronnie I think its worth a try, you dont seem to worried on the outcome either way so giver chit:thumbsup:

[tinker060]

Ronnie, If you cannot find a better "witness" than Possum Nance then you had better quit posting........ Hell everyone knows he will sell his soul for a persimmon and a drink of rum:thumbsup: NOw.... if you got TRex to agree then you might have something! Wellll...on second thought:cheers:

Jon

[ChrisCarsonMarine]

Run it

[Way2slow on H2O]

Hell everyone knows he will sell his soul for a persimmon and a drink of rum:thumbsup:

JonI'm surprised he still likes you, lol.......:reddevil: