View Full Version : who designed and built the first stv ??
who made the first one ever built and was it wood ??
i would like to know the history of how it all got started and when if anybody knows
i woud appreciate it
crimson merc
12-29-2009, 09:03 PM
Roark Summerford
mach351
12-29-2009, 09:05 PM
Scott go to stvowners.com and read the history section by roark summerford.
crimson merc
12-29-2009, 09:08 PM
Here it is
http://www.stvowners.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=95
cool i found it just about the same time
so the thing came from a laser dont look like there ever was a wooden one
it was splashed off a cut up laser 380 i didnt finish reading it all yet
thanks guys
is that a 100 % correct i see its a meassage board
if it is then the stv has not been changed since 1990
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
It is tough to improve upon perfection. That hull does many things very well , It was made to take turns at 100+.
did you read it jim
http://i45.tinypic.com/2vx0ex0.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/35asjlz.jpg
summerford said he had to change the bottom again in 1990 for rough water turns
crimson merc
12-29-2009, 09:53 PM
I dont think the red boat is a stv
Let me guess your going to get that cracked up STV hull and make a SCOTT TV :D
Mark Poole ModVP
12-29-2009, 10:01 PM
The boat in the above pic was 1985. This boat had the V shaped center section that took up most of the tunnel width. That boat put a whipping on the rest of the field that day something bad! Everytime he would lap boats he would wave at the other drivers as he went by.
mach351
12-29-2009, 10:36 PM
The yellow boat in the pic would have the "sprint" bottom similarto a laser bottom. The "new" design of 1990 would most likely be the ski bottom that was used up through the summerford years and got used on the Lightning and Extreme copies. In either '92 or '93 Roark came out with the "modvp" bottom. This is the one used in the summerford year, the carpenter years, and I belive is the only bottom Jack has used at full throttle.
JWTjr.
12-29-2009, 11:25 PM
is a Burgess F1 tunnel; the bottom is the first-design ('85) Summerford STV with the pickelfork nose. It's not the first tunnel V STV...that one came out in late 1982 as the Laser LTV (no picklefork bow). Chris Bush was Roark's #1 pilot at that time and when in the cockpit of an LTV or STV, was almost unbeatable.
Those were the days...
John
When Chris Bush drove the V bottom in 82 he would shoot a fire hose of a rooster tail in you face , lots of trim .
First race of the LTV that I saw in 83 , very fast , till Driver got WET.
Tom Foley
12-30-2009, 05:37 AM
is a Burgess F1 tunnel; the bottom is the first-design ('85) Summerford STV with the pickelfork nose. It's not the first tunnel V STV...that one came out in late 1982 as the Laser LTV (no picklefork bow). Chris Bush was Roark's #1 pilot at that time and when in the cockpit of an LTV or STV, was almost unbeatable.
Those were the days...
John
John , do you have photos and film from the Mod VP days ? An article / thread on this from the beginning would be most informative seeing as we all seem to have these boats in one form or another . Thanks for the info .:thumbsup:
Let me guess your going to get that cracked up STV hull and make a SCOTT TV :D
jim you know better then that chit im from the cat killer era we never liked um but the damn things out ran us after they got it figured out and could keep um up right
T-REX
12-30-2009, 10:08 AM
The boat in the above pic was 1985. This boat had the V shaped center section that took up most of the tunnel width.
Summerford mussa made both styles in 1985???...I have a closed cockpit STV that haz no pickleforks...I thank they call'd it a "Needle nose"....it iz a 1985, and haz a serial number stating "Race Only Kevlar"(below ser no.)
http://i50.tinypic.com/2v0d8ck.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/108bddw.jpg
Eric T
12-30-2009, 10:14 AM
Didn`t Rusty Cambell pilot a STV F1 boat fully enclosed back in like 1992 ?
Didn`t Rusty Cambell pilot a STV F1 boat fully enclosed back in like 1992 ?
thats the boat i would like to see yes according to the artical the driver was chris bush
Eric T
12-30-2009, 10:31 AM
I used to have a Video of those races, I think it came in First place on the Video, I got the video with a Ram custom tunnel I bought from John Ross, Then when I sold the Ram i gave the new owner the video, The Ram was a underated boat , in that race, with like 10 laps to go ,the Ram piloted by Rick Adamcheck had the ignition kill pop off and was sitting in last place, re-fired it and went back to race back to 4th place, He would have made it to 3rd but let Greg foster driving a Lee by on the last lap cause he was his friend and was in the points chase, The anouncers were foucusing on the Burgess hulls and the Seebold hulls as the top contenders but had to mention the Ram Custom because it was posting the fastist lap times that day. They blamed his great performance on being a boat builder and knowing his boats limitations, I remember Bill Seebold was in that race too . I watched that video like 3 million times !
They blamed his great performance on being a boat builder and knowing his boats limitations, I remember Bill Seebold was in that race too .
thats the way i am ,with mine ,i know what it can do, and, cant do, and how far i can push it
Eric T
12-30-2009, 10:57 AM
I wonder if anybody has a photo of the STV that Rusty piloted during that year, I remember the anouncers stating it was the first enclosed race boat he drove, it didn`t seem to be a hinderence, I think he won that race. Years later he drove a Hoffman .
eric your hoffman dont have a pad does it
tlwjkw
12-30-2009, 11:34 AM
Summerford mussa made both styles in 1985???...I have a closed cockpit STV that haz no pickleforks...I thank they call'd it a "Needle nose"....it iz a 1985, and haz a serial number stating "Race Only Kevlar"(below ser no.)
http://i50.tinypic.com/2v0d8ck.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/108bddw.jpg
That thing is almost as UUUUUGGGGGGGLLLLLLYYYYYY as me:leaving:
You didn't do that did ya?
Eric T
12-30-2009, 12:33 PM
eric your hoffman dont have a pad does it............ well the center part of the boat is Kevlar lined with carbonfiber, it runs from the front of the capsule to the transom, its about 2.5 to 3 inches lower than the flat part of the tunnel, its not like the center pad of say a STV , but the tunnel is not entirely flat , The way the Hoffman is built is basically how all the newer boats are built unless you are talking about a new all composite hull, Then that might be a different story.
i would have to see each bottom most of the ones i seen where all flat
Eric T
12-30-2009, 12:42 PM
I will get a picture of it tommorrow for ya . ( i don`t have the camera right now .) Actually I just found the camera , I will Email a photo or 2 .
Scott Tharpe
12-30-2009, 01:14 PM
Those pics are from here in Augusta and we sure do miss the series coming here. Hopefully the new folks will come back. I think the last boat of Rusty's ya'll are refering to was black. I was told that even it being a Mod-VP he could still turn laps as fast as the F1 boats. Dixon and Rusty are real close so maybe he can chime in and give some details. Seems like there was a pic on here where one of Rusty's boats got ran over in a race. Maybe some pics Greg put up of Diamond Marine.
T-REX
12-30-2009, 02:37 PM
No Tommy, I didn't......My buddy Vince did that...And wuz ax'd by quite a few people what type ov haloosagenik material he wuz on when he tape'd dat bote!!''''..........Altho it will stay that color foe now...I have way too much to do between now and time to go "OUTLAW'IN"....:D
I do like yeller...Red...and blu........But not nessarily in dat order!!:D
racer
12-30-2009, 04:37 PM
The MODVP boats were not running lap times comparable to the F1 boats. Roark worked very hard during the old MODVP days although I remember a couple things different than he wrote on the history.
baja200merk
12-30-2009, 04:54 PM
rex why does that deck looks a lot like chritchfield?
T-REX
12-30-2009, 05:56 PM
Maybe it's tha Crinchfield looks a lot like tha STV...Lol
I had a Hybertech over here, and it wuz built by Crinchfield(or after crinchfield design), and when I first got it, I thunk it wuz a pop off a LTV, but after sum inquire'in, tha deck, and the center vee are totally differnt...Rumor had it that tha center vee on tha crinchfield bote wuz a 18' allison type vee....The decks were differnt and easy to spot, the crinchfield built bote had a "Teepee" type rise down the deck, start'in at tha cockpit, goin to a point at the nose...
BUZZIN' DOZEN
12-30-2009, 06:04 PM
You are just to humble, I am no modvp expert by any means, but we always made the pilgramage to St. Louis in the late '80s up until the end in the '90s, and watching you run was definitely the highlight! (except the year the gearcase broke on last lap)
The SST was no drag boat to the first pin, but once the big looper got a head of steam, LOOKOUT! It just seemed to eat up the slop, turn on a dime an' give ya' 9 cents change! I don't wanna' start a pissin' match here but I wish some of the members here could of seen you run, either out in front of the Mercs, or closin' fast!
I won't even get into "crankshaft gate"
One can only wonder how things woulda' turned out with the "new" finger port motors.............:cheers:
The MODVP boats were not running lap times comparable to the F1 boats. Roark worked very hard during the old MODVP days although I remember a couple things different than he wrote on the history.
do tell
You are just to humble, I am no modvp expert by any means, but we always made the pilgramage to St. Louis in the late '80s up until the end in the '90s, and watching you run was definitely the highlight! (except the year the gearcase broke on last lap)
The SST was no drag boat to the first pin, but once the big looper got a head of steam, LOOKOUT! It just seemed to eat up the slop, turn on a dime an' give ya' 9 cents change! I don't wanna' start a pissin' match here but I wish some of the members here could of seen you run, either out in front of the Mercs, or closin' fast!
I won't even get into "crankshaft gate"
One can only wonder how things woulda' turned out with the "new" finger port motors.............:cheers:
got any pic,s
BUZZIN' DOZEN
12-30-2009, 06:37 PM
got any pic,s
No, one of my buddies always took video, but messy divorce, moved away, blah blah, you know the story. to us it was PARTY TIME IN ST. LOUIS, now I wish I had more then just the great memories!
CALVIN
12-30-2009, 06:54 PM
AMEN.....I watched racer run down every merc in a race in baltimore with the stoker and rude..smoked um all..not the first time not the last!!!
mr fun
12-30-2009, 07:36 PM
these are the years in Jacksonville I was living in Daytona and shipping out as a merchant seaman. I left in the late 70's and Danny and my dad became good friends. Danny was working at Haskell's when I was a jr highschooler along side Charlie Lyons, they rigged up some hot schitt, Charlie set the world record for 50 hp on a v off a "improved" version of an "Osborne" v they popped a mold off. I once asked him why he was working for Buddy instead of his Dad? ( I used to ride my bike from grove park to there and just hang out :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::iagree::cool:) his reply was "cause thats all I'd ever do". he kept up cuttin up stuff and glueing it back together and went to St Louis for one of the early mod VP races and KICKED ASS :iagree: he and my dad were into the nitrous "craze" and both met the same demise. I have been going through ( in tha readin room) some hot boat mags from the 80's, lots of pertinate stuff today as designs haven't moved foreward from then much :nonod: and for the record, as I hear it,,, Mr Summerford married Danny's Widow within a reasonably short period of time. Fun out :cool:
mach351
12-30-2009, 08:18 PM
rex why does that deck looks a lot like chritchfield?
All of those first gen STVs have that narrow cockpit deck. Clayton had one that looked just like that - I think his was an '86. Maybe he'll chime in.
BC Black Max
12-30-2009, 09:47 PM
This is an original UN-molested STV - MODVP. Its belongs to a buddy, and was sold new by the MAN in BC.
I have some sweet videos running it at 90mph at 7:30am in Pitt Lake. BC...workin on it
The boat is well behaved and turns like a mo-fo..
Scott Tharpe
12-30-2009, 10:54 PM
The MODVP boats were not running lap times comparable to the F1 boats. Roark worked very hard during the old MODVP days although I remember a couple things different than he wrote on the history.
It may have been an exhibition or something but they said he half tracked the field which had tunnel boats in it. They said it was at Tommy Shaw's marina at Clarks Hill. BUT I didn't see it as it was supposed to have happened way before I got into this sport and you know ya cant always believe what ya here.
Anyhow I believe I saw you(racer) in Augusta but cant remember which year. It was always a great event especially since we had sooo many people from right here involved in the sport at that time.
mr fun
12-31-2009, 07:41 AM
This is an original UN-molested STV - MODVP. Its belongs to a buddy, and was sold new by the MAN in BC.
I have some sweet videos running it at 90mph at 7:30am in Pitt Lake. BC...workin on it
The boat is well behaved and turns like a mo-fo..
that Danny had built that were VERY similar to this design. the person to ask would be Jerry Hastings (Sam Jenkins's boss) I met a guy that had what was said to be his last outta the mold that Jerry had been hanging onto and let go around 92-93, he was Dannys compadre at that time. since Danny passed in eather 83 or early 84 that would fit the timeline. Funny no mention from the STV history I've seen so far. fun out
LightNBug
12-31-2009, 08:48 AM
Didn`t Rusty Cambell pilot a STV F1 boat fully enclosed back in like 1992 ?
The F1 STV was a Burgess with a STV cell. Rusty started with it running SST120 then later ran F1 with the same boat. I had the other one that Roark did the same thing with that my son ran in SST120/140 and Mod U. I was told there was a third one built, but I think it was the one that Rusty originally had. The one I had is now in Huntington, WV. I donated it to the APR rescue team to use as a trainer. I'm going through old pictures and videos. When I find a picture of it I'll post it.
Vicious
12-31-2009, 08:58 AM
Intresting reading, what year was the first tunnel / vee or center sponson tunnel built wood or glass ?:confused:
Eric T
12-31-2009, 09:11 AM
The F1 STV was a Burgess with a STV cell. Rusty started with it running SST120 then later ran F1 with the same boat. I had the other one that Roark did the same thing with that my son ran in SST120/140 and Mod U. I was told there was a third one built, but I think it was the one that Rusty originally had. The one I had is now in Huntington, WV. I donated it to the APR rescue team to use as a trainer. I'm going through old pictures and videos. When I find a picture of it I'll post it........................................................Wow , that would be great, thanks LightNBug , Do you remember the Ram custom,Red and white running # 5 with Rick driving ?
T-REX
12-31-2009, 09:19 AM
what year was the first tunnel / vee or center sponson tunnel built wood or glass ?
Tha Laser LTV kame before tha STV "Pointed nose" tunnel vee(1984)...I thank it wuz 82 or 83 on tha LTV...I talk'd to Summerford yesserday, but ther wuz so much info pass'd, I kan't remember exzact dates and times...Summerford kan still spit out them times and events like it wuz yesserday...Even after all them rosin fumes, he's still sharp az a tack...:eek::D
Tha only wooden tunnel vees built were "working" plugs, and were destroyed when molds were built...
Vicious
12-31-2009, 09:32 AM
Tha Laser LTV kame before tha STV "Pointed nose" tunnel vee(1984)...I thank it wuz 82 or 83 on tha LTV...I talk'd to Summerford yesserday, but ther wuz so much info pass'd, I kan't remember exzact dates and times...Summerford kan still spit out them times and events like it wuz yesserday...Even after all them rosin fumes, he's still sharp az a tack...:eek::D
Tha only wooden tunnel vees built were "working" plugs, and were destroyed when molds were built...
Noth'in like resin smell kick'in in the morning !
Thanks T
noth'in like resin smell kick'in in the morning !
thanks t
bawahahaha howed u knowdat
LightNBug
12-31-2009, 03:17 PM
.......................................................Wow , that would be great, thanks LightNBug , Do you remember the Ram custom,Red and white running # 5 with Rick driving ?
Sure I do! Always competitive especially on rough water. I'm sure I'll run across some video of it running. I have a converter now for VHS to Digital, but still don't have it all worked out.
mr fun
12-31-2009, 06:08 PM
I seemed to think he went first, 84-88 was a bad stretch, ending in divorce. :leaving: out
its amazing how many people are members thats where there during the 10 years of development for the stv noone ever said if they ever used computor models or programs for the last few tweaks so to speak
i wonder what Roark Summerford and Thomas Clairborne thought about dixion running into the 150,s with there design
The first center pod MVP boats were Eliminator's and Sleekcraft's , they were inboard Jet boats with a tall motor bracket to mount the 20in outboards. Kim Howard won the champion ship with a Sleekcraft ---about 82 83 ? Kim ended up getting run over by another racer (while in the water) and had his arm cut off due to nerve damage, super NICE guy.
Michael Dixon
12-31-2009, 06:50 PM
its amazing how many people are members thats where there during the 10 years of development for the stv noone ever said if they ever used computor models or programs for the last few tweaks so to speak
i wonder what Roark Summerford and Thomas Clairborne thought about dixion running into the 150,s with there design
Roark told me I was a complete idiot!!! That he designed them when 200 hp was the most you could get and now we were pushin twice that.. And that I had to be close to reaching the hulls limit... which may have been why it drove so bad at that speed. He is with out a doubt the smartest person I know. T rex....sharp as a tack is an understatement for that man.!!!
marjae
12-31-2009, 06:59 PM
what year was the first Seabold Eagle?
LightNBug
12-31-2009, 07:01 PM
This was after it was painted blue. The original was red where this is blue. I liked the red but haven't run across a picture of it yet. The additional picture is what it was built from, a 1988 Burgess.
Summerford always reminded me of Tom Landry of the Dallas Cowboys. they could have been brothers:D
JWTjr.
12-31-2009, 08:19 PM
First Seebold Eagle: 1986
Roark said the same thing to me, way before Dixon ever ran 151...we were discussing those running in the 130s (this might have been 5-6 years ago or even more) and he noted that he'd never in his wildest dreams thought of driving one that fast, they were designed to go 100 or a little more and of course turn hard left.
Roark's designs were always the best. For a V-bottom, it's hard to beat a Laser 16' or 380 Ray. So simple yet so effective. If you were driving one, noone on the course was going to beat you off the beach or to the first turn...and noone was going to outrun you in the rough. The Allisons might have been a little faster on top end, but in a circle race it's rare that top speed down the straights alone wins the race.
John
mercace
12-31-2009, 08:22 PM
I thought Kim Howard was hurt in Parker 1983. I was there when he blew over. Far as I know, that was the last time he raced.
Yes that was Howard's last race , He talked about installing some type of power steering , it never happen . I believe you need two hands/arms to take corners with high G forces in rough conditions, in 83 no one was straped in , no weight rules , just stock parts that you could mod.
Stock evenfire crank only $ 2,500.00 now we are talking 1983 -84 that was a lot of $ for a stock ha ha crank , what a whole new motor was about 6,000 . or less.
Eric T
12-31-2009, 09:19 PM
This was after it was painted blue. The original was red where this is blue. I liked the red but haven't run across a picture of it yet. The additional picture is what it was built from, a 1988 Burgess.................................Great pictures , Alot of those early F1 and SSt boats were older non capsule boats with saftey capsules installed, Awesome looking boat, that was a good idea, a proven F1 boat and added his Capsule, I love it !
Roark told me I was a complete idiot!!! That he designed them when 200 hp was the most you could get and now we were pushin twice that.. And that I had to be close to reaching the hulls limit... which may have been why it drove so bad at that speed. He is with out a doubt the smartest person I know. T rex....sharp as a tack is an understatement for that man.!!!
mike that video i saw you looked good there was bump around 110 or so she hopped around there pretty good but then you got it to take a set and stretched it on out amazing run i see the guys posting 120 + or so all the time now
i dont think anyone will ever top that run i seen one of your rigs at jacks a while back the all white one it was the first stv i seen rigged like that with everything in it
Michael Dixon
12-31-2009, 10:27 PM
If you'll look close at that video you'll see that theres some wind messin with the water in that one spot(you can see the ripples) I couldnt get all the way in it til I got past that spot. After it got past that spot and usuallly it drove like it was on rails. First time it'd ever acted like that was at that run. Later it'd do pretty much same thing anything above 148. Thanks, Dixon
This was after it was painted blue. The original was red where this is blue. I liked the red but haven't run across a picture of it yet. The additional picture is what it was built from, a 1988 Burgess.
so lets re cap a bit
the first stv plug came from or started with the cut up all glass 380 laser
and then moved over to the all wood burgess as a plug ??
cool stuff :D
Eric T
01-01-2010, 09:34 AM
so lets re cap a bit
the first stv plug came from or started with the cut up all glass 380 laser
and then moved over to the all wood burgess as a plug ??
cool stuff :D....................................I am not sure on the first part , but I think the second part is not correct ,the F1 boats which only 2 were built , possibly 3 , were older Burgess F1 boats that had a STV saftey capsule installed, thus campaigned as a STV .
T-REX
01-01-2010, 10:06 AM
Roark's designs were always the best. For a V-bottom, it's hard to beat a Laser 16' or 380 Ray.
Corse I'm predudis, but I have to agree......Tha thangs I have put theze Laser's thru without gitt'in wet, juss backs up that statement.....I do know tha Good Lord haz took care ov my dumm azz a couple times, but az for az forgive'in, I reely don't thank they's a boat out ther that kan match tha laser's for that...and, a F-1 mite turn better, but not by much!!!....Lol
When I told Roark I wuz runn'in my 260# 16' comp over 100, in 600'. he kinna got quiet, and changed tha subject..Lol....
Most people juss shrug off a laser for bein a contender, till they drive one, or git outrun by one!!!....Ax Tony!!!:eek::D
clamponracing
01-01-2010, 11:21 AM
I'll have to 2nd that my old 82 380 ray has been a great boat it has been through
hell and back and has sent many jet boat guy's home with there heads hung low:D
LightNBug
01-01-2010, 01:26 PM
....................................I am not sure on the first part , but I think the second part is not correct ,the F1 boats which only 2 were built , possibly 3 , were older Burgess F1 boats that had a STV saftey capsule installed, thus campaigned as a STV .
That is correct. The F1 hulls were never used as a plug for anything.
ok i got ya now it was just the capsule was put on then raced as a stv
ill have one some day i hope anyhow
slowverado
01-02-2010, 02:37 PM
first LTV wasn't built by Roark, it wasn't so much designed by him either as it was thought up by him... another guy built it and did all the design work on it also... I have pics of the first one made during the process and after finish.
first LTV wasn't built by Roark, it wasn't so much designed by him either as it was thought up by him... another guy built it and did all the design work on it also... I have pics of the first one made during the process and after finish.
please post the pictures
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