ModVP22- classless piece of crap, ban this guy

[Dutch]

You keep telling everyone how I am a rip off con artist. Fact is that I paid your old man his asking price for the motor he sold, and I was clearly taken. Maybe for his sake he didn't know what he had, but fact is motor was not as advertised, periord. I took this way better than most, for the tune of about
$1500 to $2000.

Now you are on here sending Beer30 nasty messages about this whole motor deal calling him names and making threats. He is not as nice as me, and about twice my size. He will kick your ass if that is what you want. Chuck or I will post later some of the PM's you sent him. Chuck has nothing to do with you not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground, you are out of line.

There are alot of nasty things I could say about you, but I am over this and will bite my tongue. You will get your's eventually.


I really hope Greg gives you a vacation.

[Dutch]

Greg has been notified as well about your pm's to Chuck.
I am sure he will enjoy reading them.

[transomstand]

Geez, how did Chuck get in on this?

[stokernick]

Hey,Dutch,go back a few years and read about the ''grear restore'',then go back further,and read his battles with 'Fly!Just another spoiled brat spending daddy's money!!And Chuck vs Tommy[modvp22] ????Mia could handle that!!!!!!!!!!

[Dutch]

Nick,
So far I have refrained from any ass whooping comments, I guess I'm getting too old for that. But this kid is like 5'2" and 130 lbs and he is making threats of kicking Chuck's (BEER30) ass. Guess Tommy doesnt know Chuck, especially that he is 6'6" and probably close to 280 lbs.

I still don't know how he could even fathom in his diluted mind that I was the con man rip off artist in this situation.

VACATION TIME TOMMY, YOU NEED ONE!

[Forkin' Crazy]

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[MODVP22]

wow Matt, ou're quit the class act yourself. I know how you had your "friend" Chuck send me all those nast PM's...considering it was none of his business, you're right I gave it right back to him. What it boils down to is this: you're a lair, always have and will be, and your cronies are nothing but cowards that sit behind computer screens and talk trash hundreds of miles away (that's for you Stoker Nick:D )

I could care less what you have to say about me Matt, after all, life has this wonderful way of giving us all what we deserve. What next Matt...gonna come beat me up because you're the world's greatest kick-boxer, then talk about how great of a mechanic you are while trashing the sponsors and members of this board (Jay Smith, Diamond Marine)...or you just gonna sit behind your computer screen and keep making up lies. Keep threating me on a public forum, since you're soooo smart. Or, you'll probably send your "friends" to fight your battles for you-to beat my 5'8" 170lbs ass. I think we all know.

Oh and by the way, I went to Greg LONG before you and your "friends" started harassing me via PM;)

[Dutch]

this is great Tom, you keep showing your true colors.:cheers:

it's getting better and better. I knew nothing about Chuck's pm's until the night I made this post. (hence the whole reason of the post).

I never said a word about kicking your ass, you are the one threatening to kick Chuck's ass. Please post a quote where I threatened you. I am too old to go looking for scraps. I haven't threatened you yet, I would just love to meet someday and have a beer together.

BTW-you are 5'8" 170lbs about as much as that motor your dad sold was perfect in every way and 340 hp.

powerhead still for sale perfect in every way, less than 5 hrs. on it. 340 hp.

Last tidbit, did you guys sell any other "not as advertised" stuff earlier this summer? keep talking. If you are so tight with Greg you should have ask him to delete you Dads add instead of locking it. Ha ha ha ha ha

[josh hoefert]

If you cant get along Get it on !!!

[stokernick]

:reddevil:hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm,sitting at my keyboard talking trash,now that's a first for me,:eek:I guess I've finally arrived!:cheers:Happy Halloween!:thumbsup:

[Pro300x24LD]

popcorn anyone?

Give it a rest.

[Dutch]

Tom, I will put this to rest if you admit on here you sold me a lemon or that you sold me a motor you really didnt know what was on/in it. (i still have faith in the human race, and some of me believes you really didn't know what you were selling).

If you would really like I could have the member that helped with the rebuild
post the findings on this thing, and the receipts for all the parts that went into it.

Also, I guess everyone that was at the Raystown get together is a liar just like me, they all are lying about the bad ecu. (Helmut, Euroski, Transomstand,
RiverRatt, WRMerc, and about ten more)

Happy Halloween :cheers:

[transomstand]

Yea, I even took a picture of the "imaginary" breakdown:rolleyes:

But I've been part of this conspiracy from the beginning:rolleyes:


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[Euroski]

I was there, and Matt's STV didn't run well until the other ECM was mounted.

[Dutch]

youre a liar too, all my friends are according to tommy

[Superbender]

holy crap did pete paint his boat yellow?:eek:

[Charger200]

Takes a man to fessup, or say they were wrong. I really dont care who's lying and who's telling the truth, im sure theresvalidity to parts of both stories here, but i cant stand a coward, who keeps lyin.

Admit your wrong and walk away from this situation, cause its only goin to keep spiraling outta control.

for the record i dont know dutch or modvp:cheers::D

[beer30]

I PM'ed Modvp-22 after he posted on Matt's for sale thread. The PM's went like this.Originally Posted by beer30
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You have alot of balls. Sold a POS for engine, and you call Matt a con-artist!!!! Why don't rip somebody else off.Chuck

Chuck,
you wern't there, you don't know. Matt tore into a perfectly good engine and cobbled it back together with his old blown POS. I wanted that motor because it was bad ass and my old man insisted on selling it. He's talking out of both side sof his mouth, and what goes around comes around. BTW, he riped you and your boat apart while he was here talking trash about everyone and their brother..you, Helmet, Davey, Terry Nye, Diamond Marine, Jack Barsh (rightfully so). Why would I not exten the same curtosy to him as he did me and my old man? Some "friend" you got there buddy

Yeah, he is a good friend. He's done alot for me. So why would he rip me???? You sold him an engine (or your dad did) that was not was you said it was. You and him have a disagreement!!!!!! That doesn't give you the right to trash his thread with your comment. I am NOT going to get into a pissing match with you. I said my piece and that it for me. Chuck

Yes we disagree. Apparently he's not that good of a friend to you. When Matt posted his lies about my old man's motor, he gave me every right to trash him, End of story

Or you are BS'ing about your father(oh I forgot your old man's) engine. So again I will say that is my take and I am NOT getting into a pissing match. Chuck

Then why did you PM me in the fist place? It's non of your business anyway

Because what you did was an A$$h@le move. End of story. Chuck

What you're doing, supporting a liar and criminal, is beyond ******* move. Congrats

You know the old saying, "takes one to know one!!!!!"Chuck


Ypu, you're right...so knowing Matt means you're a whole lot of things

DAMM, your smart!!!!!! Probably too smart for Scream and Fly. You got it right, we are all crooks and scammers!!!!!!! Now you can PM me again, BUT I will not answer it!!!!! So if you want to waste your time, knock yourself out!!!! Maybe one day we will meet up and can discuss this!!!!! Chuck

Looking forward to itent like this.

[transomstand]

I wanted that motor because it was bad ass and my old man insisted on selling it.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the whole story right there. It was more than obvious on the first thread.

[Dutch]

Tommy, sweet, now i am a liar and a criminal now!!!

Wow, you must have been looking in the mirrow when you said that.

Keep talking, every word you speak makes you look less and less credible.

The only parts that went from my old motor to the one I got from your old man were the stock heads, stock flywheel, and the sport jet reeds.

How about if we settle this by getting the gentleman on here that assembled this engine in his garage while watching the eagles game? That will prove there is no junk in this motor now.

How about if I get the guy that I sold the flywheel to come one here and state that he did buy a flywheel with broken magnets?

How about if I get the machine shop to post here that fixed the broken weld on the starter bracket?

How about if I get the guys that saw the ecu was junk to post here? Remember my last engine was a carb, so I certainly didn't use one of my pos parts....Oh, that's right, they already did post the ecu was junk, but they are liars too.

How about it I post pictures of the "new electronics".


Takes a man to fessup, or say they were wrong. I really dont care who's lying and who's telling the truth, im sure theresvalidity to parts of both stories here, but i cant stand a coward, who keeps lyin.

To answer your question Charger, either about ten plus people are liars, or there is one. Try to figure it out.

Here's Bens reply, he must be a liar too.

Matt and i put this motor back together in my back room in the house. fresh was a joke. it was a this looks good lets use this fresh motor. that was the most piece together motor. everything in that motor was run,raced, and worn out. now don't get me wrong i know about drag racing a 2.5. the motors take a beating. they get put to there breaking point and most of them break. hell all of them. ethier this gentlemen knew nothing about what he was selling or he just lied. that motor wasn't even clean. He told Matt why did you pull apart a good running motor. Well once Matt bought and paid for it he could run it over with his car if he wanted to. it was his. that is a stupid argument. since he found it was not as advertised. Matt you have a lot of class not saying the name of the seller. also for stating it was your fault. however i saw the motor and saw the parts. i know what we bought to fix that motor. your not even done. you still need an ecm. this item was not as sold. heck guys even the wrist pin bearings were blued. just my opinion Ben


Here's one of Tommy's posts. I always thought the starter bracket was cast as part of the front half. Guess I lied about this too.


The front half was not cracked, as Matt did metion the starter bracket had been welded. I also appologized to matt because I did not know this was broken-even though he could have broken it when he got it home for all I know. The ECU was 100% ok when I ran it last-I've never heard of an ECU going bad from sitting...maybe injectors, but never and ECU. I told Matt on the phone, and in my dad's garage that engine was 300-320hp NEVER 340...I mean duh, mild port work, 26cc heads, bored air horn and 9200 limiter w/39psi curve ain't going to make 340 The bearings were fine when it came off my boat...guess Matt thinks those must go bad from sitting too For all I know Matt could have easily cobbled his melted motor back together with those parts.
My post was not to attack Matt, but to defend myself from his lies, get a clue. I love how people here, yourself included, try to cut eachother down-and we wonder why the outboard crowd gets very little recognition in the grand scheme of the boating world.


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i lied about this too..

final quote for this post too. if the add says three to five hours, how did you have time to run it on three different boats?


That engine was on my old Allison SuperSport (that Michael Giesler on the boards now owns), and STV RiverRocket. I even had it on my old man's Trinity for a weekend. If it were complete junk, I wouldn't have had it on multiple boats.

Ben the engine builder's quote:

don't really have a dog in the fight. however if you had it on three boats and ran it so much you know it was good. how does it only have 3 hrs. i usually put at least 3 hrs on a motor just to break it in. so did it run good before it was freshened or after. if it was after then 3 hrs as stated in the main post is a lie. if before then maybe it ran great before but trust me it ran like ---- when matt got it. 1st post says NEW ELECTS. not like new or used. saw them personally. tell the truth they were not new. post says 1 inch spacer. never had it. Matt bought one of mine. Told it had top pin pistons. It didn't. 340 hp please prove that. broken front half.


Tom, I work in customer service, you keep beating around the bush and not answering the facts. Admit you didnt know your ass from a hole in the ground and I will delete all these threads. Maybe I trashed every single member and vendor on this site, but that has nothing to do with your dad selling a product that was not as advertised.

[PARKER RABE]

ive delt with tommy and his dad , a number of times and had nothing but good dealings with both of them , ive bought boats , props trailers mid sections of them and all of it was great stuff , just my 2 cents

[Dutch]

just guess you were luckier than me

[stokernick]

too bad you didn't beat Dutch to this creampuff,could have saved everyone a lot of aggravation!

[Dutch]

now daddy pm's me.


digodell
Platinum Team Member Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Massillon, Ohio
Posts: 84


The old man

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First of all you are full of it! If the motor wasn't right, call Gene Treichel or Jim Ruck who rebuilt it , Oh thats right you never heard of them, now who doesn't know what they are talkin about. It was fine before you tore it apart, and apparently you are not Mr goodwrench. If you are so smart about marine mechanics, how is it that you and your socalled friends were never heard of until recently, Therefore either put up or shut up, or as they say put your money where your mouth is!
i will match of my property to yours anytime, and condition of my stuff. I wish you knew what you were talking about! Oh big boy do not threathen myself or my son either, their are laws against that !!!.

[qmaster023]

FACTS. no reason to lie.

1. i placed and recieved order for parts from Diamond Marine. Love Marty and Joe. respect them. run their parts and engine. best one i got

2. i put motor together. i am not a world class engine builder. not a marina. after done it ran must do something right. have built other engines and they run tooo. others have seen my boats run so i have a clue. ( however some of my friend on here Riverratt may question that ) ha ha

3. i saw all the old parts that came out of motor. I DID NOT USE MATTS PARTS OUT OF HIS OLD 245 I PROMISE

4. The parts in the motor were worn. how many hours. in my opinion more than fresh as advertised. in my opinion would have never put the motor back together with them because i beilieve it would just cause a problem soon down the road. rod bearing sloppy in the cages like they would come apart soon. rod bearings worn. center crank bearings ok but worn. wrist pin bearings just a hint of blue on some of them. to me got hot. old. pistons not top pinned as advertised. rings had signs of wear. not real bad. thought with all this work put new rings in. will say block dirty however inside not bad. port work good. not 340 hp but good. block not cut through. rod slots, some behind the liner porting where it could be reached. looked like the block jim ruck did for me. Front half cracked. electonics old. some done by rapair. ecm junk. Matt is now running my back-up A-6

5 what i did. installed one new piston and 5 used that were bought. top pinned with new out of bag wrist pins and wrist pin bearings.. brand new set of rings. not used. center main crank shaft bearings new. rod bearings not new. good complete set. wrist pin bearing grease new. i don't remember if we used the rod bolts from that motor or not so i will not say. new one inch spacer not used. new C clips for pistons. brand new gasket kit. nothing re-used. Matt did not want tight heads. used his stock heads off old motor. Matt used his stock flywheel. Matt used his sport reeds. I did not look at the reeds will not comment on them.

6. motor was assembled and put on boat. fired up and ran great. did have a problem with idle. fixed that. the air horn was very hard to adjust. motor ran good.

7. Matt took boat to raystown. motor died. ecm junked itself. i was getting there late. brought mine motor ran all weekend good after that. So my put together must be ok because the motor made some good runs. i think the dam up there is like 22 miles


8. point to post. I will not piss off greg.. i enjoy this site. Matt is a friend. he needed help and i helped. I would have done it for the other guy too.

IN MY OPINION NOT AS ADVERTISED. NOT 340 HP NOT 3 TO 5 HRS OF RUN TIME. NOT REBUILT OR FRESH.

9 LAST I DO NOT KNOW THE SELLER AND HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH HIM. THESE ARE FACTS OF WHAT I SAW IN THE MOTOR OF QUESTION. I DON'T KICKBOX OR ANY OTHER STUFF MENTIONED.

[qmaster023]

based on that email. it was fine before you tore it apart. however it did not have top pinned pistons so it was not fine. not saying it didn't run. saying it was not fine. i don't think anyone would argue that they do not want to run side pin pistons. I do know Jim Ruck. very nice honest guy. good work. have done blocks for me in past. always a pleasure to deal with him or wife.

[Forkin' Crazy]

How did you tell that the bearings were worn out? Did you mic them?

[Charger200]

I aint callin ya a liar Dutch, or your friends. Have no doubt that you guys are telln the truth. I just dont like when someone cant admit they were wrong, were under the wrong impression about something, or just straight up didnt have a clue.

Pretty pathetic when a grown man will keep telling a lie, even when its been proven time and time again he's lying, and its a shame at howmuch this goes on here.

But for all the liar's, scamer's, fly by night'ers, and clue less tards. there are alot of really good guys on this forum that will go out of their way to give a complete stranger a helping hand

jay:rolleyes:

[Dutch]

this motor might have been the best running strongest motor in the world.


from day one the whole point has been it was not as advertised, period.

the owners keep saying how great it was, it might have been.
But it certainly wasn't the 340 hp and less than 5 hrs or the new electronics as advertised.
they will not come on here and answer the questions at hand. dad says less than five
hours, son says ran it on three boats, one for a whole weekend in his posts, which is it?
just please answer the questions and this will all go away. i love how son keeps calling me
a liar and con man and criminal for paying his dad the asking price of the motor.

[Dutch]

How did you tell that the bearings were worn out? Did you mic them?

you're welcome to have them if you want them.

[Scream And Fly]

Matt contacted me about this and I'm talking to Tom as well. One way or another we need to solve this. I have several issues I'm working on now so I would like to come to some peaceful conclusion to this issue quickly.

[WATERWINGS]

I still have a really bad taste in my mouth, (and an empty spot in my wallet) from the "Completely rebuilt and needs nothing" motor I spent $1800 on that needs at least 5 holes rechromed...... One hole you could see aluminum thru the chrome:icon_bs::mad:

[specboatops]

Somewhere back a couple of post there is mention of Gene Triechel, is he still around:confused::confused: If so could someone post a number to reach him,
he has $1800.00 of my hard earned dollars for rebuilding a inline 6 which only ran about 3 hours, my dad and I made 3 trips up to see him about this ( at 7+ hours per trip) after a while I could no longer reach him at g-Force Technology said numger had been dissconnected. Too far to drive for nothing.

Didn't mean to hyjack the thread. My apology for steering off topic.

Chris

[Dutch]

Greg, all i want is for him to come on here and say he over hypped his goods, and sold something different that what he advertised.

[Forkin' Crazy]

you're welcome to have them if you want them.



Edit: Thanks for the PM, Ben. :)

[Dutch]

digodell
Platinum Team Member Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Massillon, Ohio
Posts: 85


Old man

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fIRST OF ALL I KNEW WHAT THE MOTOR WAS, EITHER 325 OR 340 hP IT DOES NOT MATTER,



I'll gladly tear this engine apart and send the block to JSRE and let him take a look at the block. If he determines it's not the advertised hp, diggy pays to make it so, if it is as advertised, ill make a public apology. that's an easy one for mr. big pocketbook if he wants to put his money where his mouth is. Ill do the same with the ecu, ill send it wherever he wants.

[Dutch]

never said it was junk or no good, just not as advertised. I will hound these two until either one of them gets the boot from here or it's me. it's all principle, im past the money part of it.

[JohnBoy]

About ModVP22 ~ I got in a few thread yelling matches with him. Met him at an event and found he's a wimpy dude along with his buddies so I never even punched him in the face like I promissed.

All talk when sitting behind the keyboard but in person he will hide so good luck trying to kick his ass. "My daddy will sue you"

[Sam Baker]

Somewhere back a couple of post there is mention of Gene Triechel, is he still around:confused::confused: If so could someone post a number to reach him,
he has $1800.00 of my hard earned dollars for rebuilding a inline 6 which only ran about 3 hours, my dad and I made 3 trips up to see him about this ( at 7+ hours per trip) after a while I could no longer reach him at g-Force Technology said numger had been dissconnected. Too far to drive for nothing.

Didn't mean to hyjack the thread. My apology for steering off topic.

Chris

Good luck finding him. If you do....take a number, you're going to be waiting a while.

[MODVP22]

About ModVP22 ~ I got in a few thread yelling matches with him. Met him at an event and found he's a wimpy dude along with his buddies so I never even punched him in the face like I promissed.

All talk when sitting behind the keyboard but in person he will hide so good luck trying to kick his ass. "My daddy will sue you"

I never met you dummy, I met Rotten Brock and had a drink with him. Brock, like me, is a decent human being, which is more than I can say for you, hiding and not even coming around the rest of us that entire weekend...5 years ago:rolleyes: Anytime you want some come get some you worthless waste. Take a good look in the mirror John and you'll see the low life scum you'll always be, trailer trash. I'll be in Florida next month. Dutch knows where I live, has my cell phone number, so tell him to come waste my "5'2" 130 lbs. wimpy ass":icon_bs: I don't need the decent people on this board to come and defend me. Allthough, I do appreciate it; we're of a high class of people:D
On a more serious note, I was in my office Monday I mentioned this thread, then showed it to my attorney. He laughed at ignorance of the personal attacks and threats on a public forum. It would be in the posters' best interest if this went away.

[Hydrophobic guy]

On a more serious note, I was in my office Monday I mentioned this thread, then showed it to my attorney. He laughed at ignorance of the personal attacks and threats on a public forum. It would be in the posters' best interest if this went away.

Oh brother, that certainly helped your side out. :nonod:

[DerStream]

you just sank your battleship.

[Scream And Fly]

Until this issue gets resolved by peaceful and civil means, I'm locking this thread down. I just don't see anything constructive coming from it.