I could kiss Kevin from R&R Prop.

[PIT BULL]

I have had my 22 Velocity/260 Merc for 7 years. I must have tried about 20 props, latley I went to a 15" mid and a Sportmaster case from a Bobs. This whole season I had problems getting into the 70s I was about to go back to the Bobs and the 20 which yeilded me 71-72 mph. I couldnt hit 70 after the change with my Mazco. My boat weighs 3200 lbs (on a scale). The 14.5 X 22 Chopper Kevin gave me planed my boat like a drag boat and got me 75.3 on the gps and 74.1 in the exact opposite direction at 7300 rpm on my first run out. This is the most efficient and productive wheel I have ever had. I had told Kevin the boat seemed to lack lift and had lost rpm with the Sporty, 2 days later I got the perfect wheel. Now I can keep the Sporty. Thanks Kevin.

[WILDMAN]

Pit Bull, I know you've got a 2.5, but after reading the "sportmaster vs. fleetmaster" evaluation on this site last year, we decided to try it out on a 21ft Rallysport. This is the same as a Superboat. I've got an Optimax 225 3.0 liter on my Rallysport with the fleetmaster. I always ran 75 mph. My friend has a 21 Rallysport with a 1999 300 Promax with a sportmaster. He ran 76 mph. One weekend he blew his lower, so I told him to try mine out before he ordered a new lower. He bolted it on and ran 81 mph 1st time out, with the same prop. I Think the velocity needs the setback and more bite to keep the nose up like my boat. I have 19 inches setback with no nosecone and am 3 inches below the bottom. I found that a 26 Trophy prop was good for 2-3 mph over anything else I tried. Raising the motor just slows it down. Oh well, just passing on the info. See-ya WILDMAN

[at100plus]

My 21 Superboat w/ 1999 Pro Max 300 - Sportmaster / 24 DAH Chopper 10" setback 1/2" above the pad - has done a best speed of 80 and averages 76 to 78 with two aboard. (I've never driven it alone with this motor believe it or not, cause my wife is always with me).

Anyway, Joe Imprescia swears and others have told me the best case is a stocker or a fleetmaster running 2+ inches below the pad with a Trophy prop.

Wildman, does the 3 liter 225 have the same lower unit bolt up as a Pro Max 300? I wish I knew someone with a fleetmaster I could try. When I had my Pro Max 225, the switch from a Sportmaster to a CLE was 4mph increase.

[WILDMAN]

100plus, when he replaced his blown sportmaster,he put on the fleetmaster. It's the same as mine with no low water pickup or nosecone. I did try a 28 trophy. It ran 78 at 5600 rpm but was to hard to drive and lost 5 mph when a 2nd person was added, so I went back to the 26. My friend with the 300 ran 81.7 with my gps in his boat. He did'nt know I put it in the back seat. HeHeHe! He was claiming 87.mph. When he had his sportmaster, he NEVER could get by my little optimax. Used to really piss him off! Now he can pass me and he's happy. That's until I pass him at 120mph in the Liberator. I think he was happier when I brought the Rallysport to the river. see-ya WILDMAN.

[at100plus]

So he got rid of the Sportmaster and bought a Fleetmaster?

How much do Fleetmasters cost?

[JW]

My '95 Promax has the Torquemaster, same case as the Fleetmaster 'I believe' but with lower water pickup holes than the Fleetmaster. Does Merc still make the Torquemaster?

[PIT BULL]

For my situation, I have tried 4 different types. when I run in the ocean the only thing they do is loosen up or brake and rob handeling. The boat weighs 3200 lbs, IM happy as hell with 75 mph with rough water capabilities. Thats where needing the sportmaster comes in, reentry and durability. Thanks, Steve.

[jerry]

at100plus , if you are only running 78 mph w/ 300 there is something wrong .... that boat should run at least 83-85 . there is some fat guy with a 24 progression that run almost 80 with a 300 pm . and a skinny little toothpick lookin guy with a 24 progression with a 300x runs almost 85mph . you need a prop !!! get rid of the 1980s chopper and step into the year 2002 and get a trophy or ET .. the stock gearcase will be good untill about 82 83- mph but than you run into the blowout problem .

[PIT BULL]

about those boats running those numbers but I have yet to see it. IM not saying its not true but one hasnt passed me yet. Mabye Suffolk has faster water.

[steve]

Thats a fleetmaster in your photo. A torquemaster has a wider exhaust area in the casting below the cavitation plate. They are also polished.

[JW]

My motor manual says Torquemaster. I had a fleetmaster before, and the oil drain plug was on the outside bottom of the case. This case has the oil drain in the exhaust area, I have to pull the prop to get at it. Bottom of the bearing carrier. Am I right or wrong?? Check this link out:
http://www.screamandfly.com/screamandflymagazine/images/Outboard%20Brochures/Mercury%20High%20Performance/1994%20Pro%20Max%20225/225ProMax1.jpg

[jerry]

hey pitbull , next wed nite come to tanner park , if its not raining and some of the pussy go out you will see it ..

[steve]

Sorry but I thought every Tmaster has the wider exhaust area above the rear of the bullet like a Smaster. The reason I say this is because weren't they supposed to be slower for drag racing because of the extra area ? I was also under the impression that they were thicker like a CLE or Smaster casting. Also they are polished aren't they? Are you sure you don't have a std 200 Fleetmaster that someone put the HD guts into? It looks just like a std Fleetmaster to me. Again maybe its my bad on this one. Have you had it off to reveal a serial number on the case up front on top on the port side?
The link you gave JW shows a CLE.

[WILDMAN]

Whatever this is, is what we used on the 2 Rallysports. No nose pickups. Seems we had to keep it in the water to keep the nose high. It's on a 1999 Optimax 225.

[22VelocityProMax300]

Mike, the sportmaster is the right lower unit to run on a 300 Pro Max If you are trying to reach into the mid 80 mph range. I worked with an engineer on my sportmaster, basically what we found was that with the stock, large sportmaster skeg there was too much drag in the water. We reconfigured the skeg to resemble the shape of a Cle unit. I was able on my Velocity to pick up 3 mph.The handling improved, I was also able to run my motor up higher to even with the pad. We have been running 83 mph with a stock, new 27"Trophy that has not been worked. My .02 cents stay with the Sportmaster it has the Guts to handle the 300,s torque. Frank.

[at100plus]

Jerry,

I think Progressions are lighter and have a faster bottom than a Superboat. Keep in mind, my PM 300 is not an X model.

I have tried a 25 Trophy and only ran 76 at 5800 RPM. I have tried all kinds of jack height (I have a hyd. jack), and even with the trophy, the lower I go, the slower I go and vice versa. Velocity might be onto something with the skeg. I really don't have a problem carrying the bow, but it does take positive trim depending on the prop. I tried Liquifly's 26 Hydromotive up in Sarcandaga and I really liked the acceleration and the way it carried the whole boat. That prop was great for rough water. Still only 78 mph at 6000 RPM though. I want to try a 24 ET.

Don't forget too, I have never driven the boat alone since I got the 300 and I have only run it like 5 or 6 times this summer.

There is a guy with a yellow 21 Superboat in Sarcandaga with a 300X and I think 6" setback, he only sees 76 mph so far with a DAH 24 Chopper. That made me feel better.

[jerry]

running a 25 trophy @5800 , well sir, your not in the powerband , those motors make peak power @ 6200-6300 . try a 24 trophy .

[at100plus]

I'm surprised it won't spin a 25 up. But it does spin a 26 Hydromotive to 6000, and a 24 DAH Chopper is only 5900 touching 6000.

I need to try a 24 Trophy plus and a 24 ET. It still believe this boat has 85 in it with this motor. I'm out of $ to spend for trial and error right now. I was thinking about sending my 25 Trophy to DAH to pitch it to 24 and thin it.

[PIT BULL]

Ill try to get there, mabye I will run better numbers there as well. could more salt in the water.

[VELOCITOY]

HEY VELOCITY22W300PROMAX....CHECK YOUR PM BOX>>>THANX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LATAPOTATA>>>>>>>>

[Liqui-Fly]

The Hydromotive was a 24:(

David