SUGAR IN THE GAS TANK hydrostream venom,is there a way to clean it out

[camaro7081]

the boat i picked up from the dealer has sugar in the tank
IS THERE A WAY TO CLEAN IT OUT WITH OUT TAKIN THE TANK OUT OF THE BOAT

[h2oskiier30]

Well, sugar doesn't mix with gasoline, so you can't just stir it up good, then syphon out the gas.

You might could syphon out all the gas, then fill with hot water, mix it up, then syphon the mixture out.

Probably just be easier to remove the gas tank, though.

[Jason Johnson]

Sorry, I have to ask. HOW / WHY did it get sugar in the tank?

[Riverratt]

Sounds like you got a sweet deal. Don't take any short cuts. Take the tank out and do it right.

[camaro7081]

Sorry, I have to ask. HOW / WHY did it get sugar in the tank?
dont know the boat came from pk marine and jim contzen of hydrostream
who knows what goes on over there

[camaro7081]

Sounds like you got a sweet deal. Don't take any short cuts. Take the tank out and do it right.

sweat deal thats funny!!!!!!!
i wouldnt be able to laugh if i didnt use a filter cause the motor would have been destroyed

i was hoping for an easy way

[rockman69]

sweat deal thats funny!!!!!!!
i wouldnt be able to laugh if i didnt use a filter cuase the motor would have been destroyed

i was hoping for an easy way

3 pots of hot coffee and a little creamer, should do the trick!

[Team Stream]

Don't take the chance. Take the tank out and do it the right way. Motor still runs, hate to see you need a new one. I think the water trick might just work. Mix, let dry, little dry gas with fresh gas and go.

[JWTjr.]

and that's to remove the tank. You need to be able to get it upside down with the filler neck and vent pointing down. Hose it out with steaming hot water while sloshing the water around inside, and rinse thoroughly, then blow dry with compressed air.

JT

[Team Stream]

Only way to do it i think.

[camaro7081]

Don't take the chance. Take the tank out and do it the right way. Motor still runs, hate to see you need a new one. I think the water trick might just work. Mix, let dry, little dry gas with fresh gas and go.
i think the filter caught all ,but i still have to do a compression check

[Team Stream]

Oh yeah, change the filter too. I realy hope you motor turns out to be OK, for your sake. I hate to see these kind of things happen to people.

[gfinch]

Just a thought. Gas and water doesn't mix but alcohol and water does. What if the alcohol, thats in our fuel today, combined with water that condenses inside the tank and that water has dissolved sugar in it. I think it would pass through the filter easily and then................:eek:

[captglm]

Got Insurance?

Call your insurance co. let them deal with it--sounds like someone needs to investigate how the sugar got in the tank.

[Team Stream]

Make the dealer do it.

[camaro7081]

make the dealer do it.
i left a message with pk marine and jim of hydrosteam yesterday after i broke down and they didnt get back to me as usual ,when the money is out of your hands you are on your own

[camaro7081]

just a thought. Gas and water doesn't mix but alcohol and water does. What if the alcohol, thats in our fuel today, combined with water that condenses inside the tank and that water has dissolved sugar in it. I think it would pass through the filter easily and then................:eek:
guess a compression check will tell, if the sugar becomes liquid then it probably wont hurt the engine ,(i cut open the filter )when it is mixed with gas it looked like sand and felt like sand which is an abrasive , so im sure some of the sugar dissolved into the gas , it also messed up the fuel pump cause the filter clogged up and the pump was starved for fuel

[j_martin]

Some people take a repo real hard, and get mean about it. I'd find out who did it and shove his head into the filler and hold him there till he drank it all.

I think if you siphon out what gas you can, then fill it with water (doesn't have to be hot, but has to be clean) siphon it out best you can, and either dry it with air, or put in coupla bottles of isoheat and siphon or vacuum them out. Should be good.

If the engine has good compression, you dodged a bullet, but I'd decarbon it to be sure you get it all out of the rings.

hope it helps
John

[Team Stream]

If you bought the boat and found sugar in the tank I would be banging on their door telling them to fix it. but I don't know the whole story and I'm not in your shoes. Good luck.

[D.B.S]

How do you know it's sugar?

[camaro7081]

some people take a repo real hard, and get mean about it. I'd find out who did it and shove his head into the filler and hold him there till he drank it all.

I think if you siphon out what gas you can, then fill it with water (doesn't have to be hot, but has to be clean) siphon it out best you can, and either dry it with air, or put in coupla bottles of isoheat and siphon or vacuum them out. Should be good.

If the engine has good compression, you dodged a bullet, but i'd decarbon it to be sure you get it all out of the rings.

Hope it helps
john
probably was a repo of some kind , but the hydrostream should back up this problem with at least a phone call
THANKS

[camaro7081]

how do you know it's sugar?
after the gas dried out of the filter bowl i tasted it

[D.B.S]

I don't think I would taste anything left over in my fuel filter!:confused: Dump the fuel, change your filters, and get it running as soon as possible!:thumbsup: Don't be licking fuel filters!:D

[Jacob]

after the gas dried out of the filter bowl i tasted it
That's what I call dedication!!!:D

I'd find out who did it and shove his head into the filler and hold him there till he drank it all.



:iagree::iagree:We think alike John :cheers::reddevil::cheers:

[camaro7081]

i don't think i would taste anything left over in my fuel filter!:confused: Dump the fuel, change your filters, and get it running as soon as possible!:thumbsup: Don't be licking fuel filters!:d

had to be sure !! And im still alive .sounds funny but i hardly tasted the fuel , the sugar really holds up , they must have used the good stuff

[D.B.S]

Glad you didn't taste my fuel filters! :D Just clean it out, flush it a couple of times or take it out and drain it, but get it running, the damage happen's when you let it sit! Once again, if you don't know where your fuel has been,Don't taste it!!:eek:

[WATERWINGS]

Glad you didn't taste my fuel filters! :D:eek:

Yea, with the stuff that has gone thru your filters, I wouldn't even want to stand to close to one of them:eek:

[D.B.S]

Yea, with the stuff that has gone thru your filters, I wouldn't even want to stand to close to one of them:eek:


:iagree::D:D:D:D

[camrynekai]

How does sugar hurt an engine. I have always heard of it but don't know what it actually does to a motor.

Thanks just curious

[astro@ptd.net]

Hey Glenn...it's Craig...sorry to hear about the sugar in the tank ordeal...hope ya get it all settled without any of your money out of pocket and no engine troubles. Good luck!

[WATERWINGS]

How does sugar hurt an engine. I have always heard of it but don't know what it actually does to a motor.

Thanks just curious

Yea, I wanna know too.

[h2oskiier30]

There is a long running story/myth/urban legend that pouring sugar in a gas tank will cause sugar to get into your engine, then gum things up once there.

Since sugar doesn't mix with gasoline, I have doubts as to the validity of the whole thing...especially for those with proper filters in their feul lines. The filters should catch the sugar before it ever gets to the engine.

I suppose, as someone said before, with ethanol it's a possibility...but I'd say it's still fairly remote.

[D.B.S]

Makes it run real sweet!:D sugar is like a acid to metal, makes it hot, sticky, sweet, sorry the hole sugar thing got me off track!:D

[delawarerick]

We had a boat come in at Angola Marine with a stuck v-6 merc after taking it apart everything was covered with a tar like substance. Could not get it off the piston tops. Come to find out the guy went through a divorce and his ex dumped 6 2 liter cokes in the fuel tank he was out running and it just stopped. Never seen anything like it. Dave S did the work on the engine. I could see repo look what they are doing to foreclosed homes. Rick

[j_martin]

had to be sure !! And im still alive .sounds funny but i hardly tasted the fuel , the sugar really holds up , they must have used the good stuff

I seem to remember some poison that tastes like sugar. Takes about 3 days to take effect.

Have a good night's rest. :reddevil:

John

[Jacob]

I seem to remember some poison that tastes like sugar. Takes about 3 days to take effect.

Have a good night's rest. :reddevil:

John

LMFAO :D:D:D
Now that's funny

[j_martin]

Sugar does disolve somewhat in gas, and when it gets into an engine it carmelizes, causing everything to freeze up. I've seen it do terrible things back in the 60's. Valves would stick, pistons hit em, etc. Maybe gas was different back then.

If the engine has decent compression, I'd clean out the fuel system, run a can of SeaFoam through it, and call it good.

If you really want to mess up an engine, throw in a little polyurethane. I know because some back to the country friends of mine put up a barrel of gas in a used polyurethane barrel. Shoulda seen what it did to the chain saw.

John

[Dave Strong]

Few years back a good bud was the shop forman at a Ford dealer. One of the guys was replacing the engine on an AWD Aerostar. A real pain to do as the motor has to come out the bottom. Fire up the new engine didn't run for 5 min and bang seized up, WTF. When they got the motor out valves were stuck open, had a substance like Rick talked about. Nothing would remove it until one was dropped on the shop floor after it was just washed. Sent a fuel sample to the university, come back as gas + some form of what they belived to be coke. Its true plain old sugar will just plug up filters as it will not mix with gas, soda pop is a whole other thing.
Dave

[camaro7081]

There is a long running story/myth/urban legend that pouring sugar in a gas tank will cause sugar to get into your engine, then gum things up once there.

Since sugar doesn't mix with gasoline, I have doubts as to the validity of the whole thing...especially for those with proper filters in their feul lines. The filters should catch the sugar before it ever gets to the engine.

I suppose, as someone said before, with ethanol it's a possibility...but I'd say it's still fairly remote.
i have two filters on the motor it should be okay
i think a lot of people with the carb motors didnt use any fuel filters and the sugaR would go right into the cylinders and i would say it would be like sand going into motor (an abrasive) and probably wipeing out every thing

[camaro7081]

Sugar does disolve somewhat in gas, and when it gets into an engine it carmelizes, causing everything to freeze up. I've seen it do terrible things back in the 60's. Valves would stick, pistons hit em, etc. Maybe gas was different back then.

If the engine has decent compression, I'd clean out the fuel system, run a can of SeaFoam through it, and call it good.

If you really want to mess up an engine, throw in a little polyurethane. I know because some back to the country friends of mine put up a barrel of gas in a used polyurethane barrel. Shoulda seen what it did to the chain saw.

John
hope i dont have any of that in the tank
the chain saw is a little bit cheaper then a fresh 260 power head

[camaro7081]

i guess i better fog the motor today(just by cranking it and spraying the oil into intake and cylinders) i will take me a few days to get it running again. the fuel tank is under all of my rigging hydralic pump lines etc etc i will have to remove all the hoses and re bleed the systems , and i have to buy a new fuel pump ,and filters

[camaro7081]

I seem to remember some poison that tastes like sugar. Takes about 3 days to take effect.

Have a good night's rest. :reddevil:

John
well its been about 40 hours now im still kickin

[j_martin]

i guess i better fog the motor today(just by cranking it and spraying the oil into intake and cylinders) i will take me a few days to get it running again. the fuel tank is under all of my rigging hydralic pump lines etc etc i will have to remove all the hoses and re bleed the systems , and i have to buy a new fuel pump ,and filters

When you re-fire, watch out for something lean, as in plugged up. It'd be a shame to dodge the bullet, then blow a piston because of one plugged carb port or injector.

[delawarerick]

Yamaha yea I know makes an injector cleaner we used many times its very good and expensive. We would run it off a small tank and mix it strong run it briefly and shut it off let it sit a little and start with fresh gas. It worked for us. Rick

[Dave S]

As De Rick has said I fixed that Merc Sugardaddy...... The pistons were very sticky and gas would not take the stuff off. I put the pistons in boiling water and got it all cleaned up and put it back together and it ran fine. I don't know the rest of the story but if it was bad they would ask for the $$$ money I charged them back.

[oldskier]

How does sugar hurt an engine. I have always heard of it but don't know what it actually does to a motor.

Thanks just curious


I saw an episode of Mythbusters when they tried to kill a car engine with sugar, poured a pound of it in the tank and the thing just kept running. They checked the tank and the sugar was still in there undesolved.

Then they tried a bottle of bleach...THAT did the trick! KER-BLOOWEY!:D

[camaro7081]

looks like i will run injector cleaner first
i saw two plugs looked sugar coated

[j_martin]

looks like i will run injector cleaner first
i saw two plugs looked sugar coated

If you have caramel on a couple of plugs, I think you'd better tear it down and wash everything in hot water.

just my 02
John

[camaro7081]

If you have caramel on a couple of plugs, I think you'd better tear it down and wash everything in hot water.

just my 02
John
i have maybee 40 hours on motor i really dont feel like taking it apart now
i may just take a chance and run it, if the compression is still good .and if the motor gets destroyed then i will just sell or burn the boat and stick to my row boat .
i ll see how i feel about it tomorow

[j_martin]

i have maybee 40 hours on motor i really dont feel like taking it apart now
i may just take a chance and run it, if the compression is still good .and if the motor gets destroyed then i will just sell or burn the boat and stick to my row boat .
i ll see how i feel about it tomorow

Lick the sugar off the plugs. Maybe you'll sweeten up a bit.:D

[camaro7081]

Lick the sugar off the plugs. Maybe you'll sweeten up a bit.:D
i dont mind licking the plugs ,i dont want to lick the connecting rods ,fun fun

[delawarerick]

I agree with JMartin on this one. This motor stopped and locked. Difference it was a fishing boat and he was not running hard. PM Dave S the motor was locked solid funny thing was that there was no damage but this black gunk. Oh the scorn of a woman. Maybe pull a head and inspect at least. Head gasket is alot less than a motor. .02 Rick
Good Luck

[go_fast_101]

i left a message with pk marine and jim of hydrosteam yesterday after i broke down and they didnt get back to me as usual ,when the money is out of your hands you are on your own


Jim is a scumbag scam artist,
I'm sorry to hear he has scammed another hard working customer out of their hard earned cash. At least you caught it before it cost you a motor.

[camaro7081]

Jim is a scumbag scam artist,
I'm sorry to hear he has scammed another hard working customer out of their hard earned cash. At least you caught it before it cost you a motor.
i guess that this boat was a repo so in his defense im sure he didnt know there was sugar in tank, im also sure if the motor blew i wouldnt get a nickel for the motor, i didnt run it yet either
jim is making a really nice boats,i think the venom is made very good ,there arent any stress cracks on it , i will put it to the test and see if it holds up,hopefully hydrostream will continue to make nice boats
hydrostream customer service does need some improvements

[camaro7081]

Lick the sugar off the plugs. Maybe you'll sweeten up a bit.:D
i feel a little better today , did a compression check and that was okay

[j_martin]

i feel a little better today , did a compression check and that was okay

Just don't lick any rods. That'll put you on everybody's ^)(*&( list.

[camaro7081]

im already on some lists , rod licking will not be one of them,


stay focused this is a boating site. lol

[Mean Dean]

Jim is a scumbag scam artist,
I'm sorry to hear he has scammed another hard working customer out of their hard earned cash. At least you caught it before it cost you a motor.

Is jim located in Las Vegas? I tried calling there a couple of times and got no answer.

Camero7081,
Sorry to hear about your problem, I just bought a 2007 Voyager XT w/ a225 Merc. EFI that was a repo on eBAY, and I worried about the same type of problems. That is why I left the house on a Sunday morning @ 4 am and drove to the repo guy place, sea-trialed the boat before I bought it!:rolleyes: And then I had him write up a 30 day engine warranty, just in case something happened, after I left with the boat. BTW, what tank do you have in your boat? Is it a RDS tank?
Good luck, and I would take the tank out, if it were me, just to be safe.
Mean Dean

[JUPITER PULSARE]

had to be sure !! And im still alive .sounds funny but i hardly tasted the fuel , the sugar really holds up , they must have used the good stuff

Can you say Dixie Crystals?? LOL:D ; but on a serious note, sorry to hear about your problem. I would make every attempt to remove the tank (unless you have to cut it out)...You could try sticking a pressure cleaning nozzle down the throat and try swirling it around..siphon all the water out after...

[camaro7081]

Can you say Dixie Crystals?? LOL:D ; but on a serious note, sorry to hear about your problem. I would make every attempt to remove the tank (unless you have to cut it out)...You could try sticking a pressure cleaning nozzle down the throat and try swirling it around..siphon all the water out after...
tank came out easy i flushed it about 25 times

[Sheer Insanity]

tank came out easy i flushed it about 25 times
Just saw this thread. I have used my shop vac through the fuel lever sender whole to suck out fuel with water in it. Vac still works good to this day. :thumbsup:

[h2oskiier30]

Just saw this thread. I have used my shop vac through the fuel lever sender whole to suck out fuel with water in it. Vac still works good to this day. :thumbsup:

Not sure, but I don't think the electrical connections in a shopvac are "closed"...meaning there can be an open spark that could ignite fuel vapors. :eek:

Maybe they are closed...or maybe you were just REALLY lucky.

[delawarerick]

Take an electric fuel pump make 15 ft leads with on and off switch and 5 ft or more hoses and suck out the tank. Can flush it over and over with petrolium base products with little effert. the long electrical leads give you the safety of no spark. Rick

[camaro7081]

Not sure, but I don't think the electrical connections in a shopvac are "closed"...meaning there can be an open spark that could ignite fuel vapors. :eek:

Maybe they are closed...or maybe you were just REALLY lucky.
true ,gasoline can really be dangerous

[j_martin]

A shop vac is a series wound motor with sparking brushes, cooled by the air it's moving. If you survived, you are a lot luckier than you deserve.:eek:

[albypine]

oh my.... cant fix stupid.... sugar will trash up gas motors. been done to me.... ut oh should have never slept with that crazy chick... yup cost me a motor and a tow... but no std's thank god... burn the boat befor you sell please or post pictures so we can stay away thank you. sorry about your bad luck hope it dont cost you what it cost me:eek:

[prolinews]

I had the same problem once. I'm not sure how much sugar was put in though. On my truck I didn't notice it until I put gas in it and sugar was all around filler neck. It was under warranty so I was not too concerned changed the fuel filter and never had any problems. I didn't drain the tank or anything; On my drag car I never cranked it drained the tank and flushed it out. A two stroke maybe a little more sensitive . I hope it works out for you.

[camaro7081]

motor ran good ,broke 101 on first run!!!!!!!!

[Rigaud]

Just saw this thread. I have used my shop vac through the fuel lever sender whole to suck out fuel with water in it. Vac still works good to this day. :thumbsup:
I'm impressed that you where able to write about it afterwards. :eek:

[JR IN JAX]

Just saw this thread. I have used my shop vac through the fuel lever sender whole to suck out fuel with water in it. Vac still works good to this day. :thumbsup:

I do hope that you are just joking since the brushes in the Vac motor should have made you a suicide bomber...

[prolinews]

SWEET!! no punn intended.

[astro@ptd.net]

motor ran good ,broke 101 on first run!!!!!!!!

Holy crap!!! That's great news. I hope you wear a helmet and real god lifevest!! thats really hauling some serious butt. With the 260 you built? :cheers:

[albypine]

http://i42.tinypic.com/mhpsn4_th.jpg (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mhpsn4&s=5)the boat in this picture does 117 out of the box... every time i stop on water it sinks lol:D

[astro@ptd.net]

Now that's funny right there!!! Do you use that "boat" to fish the Hudson River?? I have been there many times fishing but have never seen it around! lol :thumbsup:

[albypine]

all most took it out on the river today,but a lil choppy. tryed to fish and it sank... lol went to albany on my stream to get away from all the crap in the water alive at 5 :cheers:

[albypine]

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=3498&albumid=469&dl=1245942589&thumb=1 (http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/album.php?albumid=469):eek::eek::eek::eek: need to fix date on camera. picture from tuesday after all the rain we had. need to start thread on why my boat sinks when i stop to fish.:thumbsup:

[john4utvols]

You are correct I have been trying to get a hold of Jim for a month now, and I recieved one E-mail 3 weeks ago saying he was on vacation and he would call when he got back.




i left a message with pk marine and jim of hydrosteam yesterday after i broke down and they didnt get back to me as usual ,when the money is out of your hands you are on your own

[astro@ptd.net]

Hey Glenn.....hows the new boat running?? Good I hope. I was hoping to get out to Long Island this fall with the wife and do the wine and craft brewery thing...end up out on Montauck. Any decently priced B&B's out on the island that yo know of?? craig :thumbsup: