rebuild charge

[splitshot]

Guys i need your help i built a motor for a guy 1978 140 evinrude , he said do what it takes and as long as he has less in it than a new motor would cost him....pulled the first powerhead and the block was busted so it couldnt be used, didnt find out till it was tore down..(had to fight every one of the mounting bolts due to rust there wasnt even an hex head on them they looked like rivets),so got another powerhead and midsection (package deal)...pulled the powerhead and disassembled..then got the parts and rebuilt the second power head (the good one)...installed new pistons and rings,thermostats,gaskets,and bearrings,oh yeah and exhaust housing gaskets (about 7 exhaust housing bolts snapped off and where froze in the block had to drill and tap)...then installed the powerhead, rebuilt carbs, fuel pump,new impeller, and new gear oil in the lower...how much is all this worth ?? i just want a ballpark estimate on labor only..all in all i have 66 hrs in it, oh and just how much does a brand new 140 2 stroke cost with tilt and trim ?? thanks Jason

[jody504]

You should have 17.2 in the overhaul just one motor that includes the carb and test run and check ignition. All outside work like boring is extra.you can get 11 hour to clean and disassemble and but back together so cut that in halve to 5 hour. That would be fare. then you have to add your time for broke are frozen bolts everyone is it own no two alike on that. This is out of a flat rate book. you should have around 22 on a show room motor. A salted motor is a nuther story. Go by the hourly rate where you are at

[Capt.Insane-o]

Dunno but the last of the Merc 150 2strokes were about 8500. A 31 year old omc or anything for that matter, that has been bathed in saltwater is'nt even worth looking at or repairing IMO.

[splitshot]

thanks for the good info guys i appreciate it

[HighVelocity]

Well at $20 an hour and 66 hours you have $1,320 comming to you. I don't know what the parts are but let say there $2000, now he's into the motor for $3,320. A BRAND new 140 w trim is going to be 7-8 grand so as long as the motor was rebuilt well and you stand behind your work he is making out good. I know that's not what you asking but I thought I would throw it out there... It's winter, I'm bored...LOL

Ed

[splitshot]

hey i appreciate the feedback..yeah i was going to charge more per hour but since i'm not a certified tech and alot of rusted bolts i figured $20 an hour is fair labor totaled $1320 then i'm giving him $220 for a trailer so $1100..dont get me wrong i can build a motor but just not certified thanks again :cheers:

[jody504]

That a deal in itself if you only charge 20.00 a hour most shops are gettinf to be around 80 or more around here

[flabum1017]

Well at $20 an hour
Ed



$20 an hour???? we were charging $26 an hour back in '82. Normal shop rates are $100+ an hour here in So.Fla

[splitshot]

i know i know but i'm not certified and i'm helping him out and this is what i get i guess..live and learn i'll know for next time :thumbsup: ..i felt bad about how long it took with all the rusted bolts but oh well

[BenKeith]

Well, I would be very careful. You're charging him to rebuild it, you are accepting the liability when it breaks. Granted, you have a ton of hours in it and no way under the sun could you ever charge a reasonable rate for the time you say you have, but even at $20 per hour, he's going to be getting a premium bill. If things don't go just right and he ends up not being happy or it breaks, and it ends up in court, you could loose your ass because a judge could look at it as you being a professional. Doesn't matter you were just trying to to the guy a favor. Done been there, done that so I will not work on someone else stuff. Even on the very rare occassion I help a friend out, I will not do it for pay.

[Riverratt]

A certified shop would not have taken 66 hours to rebuild a V4. If they did they would be out of business quick. Most dealers get about 20 hours into a crossflow V6 from tear down to water test.

[MattGreen]

A certified shop would not have taken 66 hours to rebuild a V4. If they did they would be out of business quick. Most dealers get about 20 hours into a crossflow V6 from tear down to water test.

I agree. And it's highly unlikely a good technician would not have broken off 7exhaust housing bolts, no matter how crusty they were. Ever heard of an oxy-acetylene torch ?

Matt

[Capt.Insane-o]

I agree. And it's highly unlikely a good technician would not have broken off 7exhaust housing bolts, no matter how crusty they were. Ever heard of an oxy-acetylene torch ?

Matt

Ever work on a saltwater bathed piece of crap 31 year old motor? No way I would even go near it other than pulling the hood and giving last rites.

[olmo40]

Oxy torch and and 5 gallons of gas .He is lucky you did the job.
There is a big difference between "Shop Built " and Cheap Job for a friend

[HighVelocity]

Let's be 100% clear here, there is no comparison between a shop and certified mecahnic and a guy helping out someone else.

A Shop: Someone said $100 an hour. OK here we go.
Work Comp Insurance
Business Insurance
Liability Insurance
Business Taxes
Employee Taxes
Shop Electric
Shop Gas
Shop Water
Shop Supplies-rags, towels, wd-40, toilet paper, up keep. etc.
Shop Tools, plus expensive specialized tools that most of us would
use once every 10 years.
Rent or Mortgage for the shop. 2-8 thousand a month.
Advertising
Oh yeah you want some nice woman to answer the phone too.

If the motor breaks you bring it back...

No one is getting $100 an hour, believe me. A hundred an hour keeps the business going.

A favor for a friend: $20 bucks an hour, in your pocket. If the motor breaks say goodbye to a friendship and more money than you got paid.

My friends know I like pizza and beer. So if we go to court all I have to do is bring some 30 packs and 4-5 pizza'a and were square...LOL

HV

[T-REX]

You're charging him to rebuild it, you are accepting the liability when it breaks.

Not so, bobo!!!

Any body that puts a set warrantee on ANY OB haz got a reel problem!!...Tha chikken chit electronikz that are on a OB iz juss look'in for a place to crap out, misfire and burn a mota down...

Make it cleer about warrantees before ya do tha job, and ya free ov all tha BS....I give a warrantee, and also offer an exstended warrantee....Tha warrantee iz how ever long it takes U to git to tha end ov my driveway...But tha exstended warrantee iz free, and last till ya git to tha red light in tha middle ov town(about 1/4mile!!)......I don't build motas for a live'in, but it's made purfektly cleer when ya inquire about a rebuild, or hotrod mota, If U need a warrantee, there iz several shops around that offer them, but mine iz NOT one ov them!!!!.........I built a stand that I run my mota'z on, and I figger if it runs 4-8 hours(depends on if it haz new pissons or not) on my stand, I ain't dun nutt'in wrong, and when it leeves, I don't have to worry about it tear'in up bekause ov what I dun or didn't do!!!....

Sorry, didn't meen ta hijack ya thread...Juss read that statement about liability, an hadda say sumpth'in....:thumbsup:

[Riverratt]

Rex most people that come to you to have a motor built knows your best stuff only lasts a pass or two so your warranty is a bargain.http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/images/smilies/t_lowblow.gif

[T-REX]

I quess dat would be a good warrantee fer a man wit a v-8 slomc.....:eek::D:p

[Superbender]

This is just food for thought,but it is always a good idea to give your friend a price before you do the job and keep him in the loop,this avoids that queezy feelin about askin your friend for 1300.00 and he's not so surprised:eek:66 hrs seems a little steep does that include go to the store for beer?:Djust playin

[splitshot]

I did keep him in the loop hell he called me every other day bugging the crap out of me...lol he paid the $1100 and thought it was fair after i told him to call around and check on other prices...i agree 66 hours is alot but its what it took to do the job no more no less this thing was a PITA and i learned alot but again he wanted this one fixed so we did what he wanted...all is good :cheers:

[MattGreen]

Ever work on a saltwater bathed piece of crap 31 year old motor? No way I would even go near it other than pulling the hood and giving last rites.

I'm speaking from personal experience at a busy OMC-only shop that 90% of our business was saltwater (I'm from Vancouver). It's all in the careful/creative use of the torch, and limited use of air tools until it's broken free. Without a word of a lie, the foreman I learned from would break only a few bolts a year. I was not as good as him - I'd create a few "drilling projects" a month, ha, ha. But then I got good at drilling :D

But seriously the Cap'n has a good point - you need to pop the heads or be very careful with your diagnosis before you find yourself deep into a motor that is:
- old to begin with
- worth little even if running well
- needing lots of repairs/parts
- AND really crusty.

You could finally get it all apart and find that a gasket surface is corroded beyond repair or find some hidden crack that is terminal, wasting all the effort of getting it apart. The advantage of going to an experienced shop is that they would know when to "put on the brakes", call the customer, outline the siutation and potential costs, and then let the customer decide if they want to proceed.

Matt

[bennyb]

yes agreed im on my forth crossflow v6 two salt two fresh .
do it for my own stuff just have a bunch around here last saltwater
i built the only thing left was the heads and the lower had to scavenge
three other motors to finish ,mid tilt tube tuner nothing wanted to come free,even with red wrench ,hes lucky ya even built it the shops around here wont touch and old salt motor and there plenty of im .
im a sucker for punishment plus the first one( salt )pissed me off and it became personal ,i have kept them all. they are all fresh but wont do another one ,gonna try a freshwater 2.0 or 2.5 next should be better
if i would have had to charge for the rebuild they coulda bought a new motor ,