How many Mercury I6 guys are there here?

[gregpro50]

Over the years I've taken up fiddling with these Mercury I6 motors as a hobby. I like then because they seem to be so easy to work on. Right now I have an '81 115, two '82 140s, an '85 115, and an '87 Mariner 115. Most of them I've put together from rumaging through scrap piles from the local marinas that dont want to screw with these things.

Right now I've got an '85 115 on my Glastron GT-150. I've got the motor running better than alot of the new ones out there.

I was just wondering how popular these motors are here?

[oldskier]

I just bought one, a 1350. Interested in who pops up. I know Raceman, Mark75H, Mragu, Bridges and Raymar are inline guys. Lets see who else.

[Raceman]

Add CrazyHorse, DaveS, John Sherlock, Jeff Grigg to the above list, and there are a LOT more that will come to me after I have a chance to think about it.

We're in the process of converting Mragu also, but he's kinda slow comin' around. I'm thinkin' we may have to boot him for about a month to give him time to think about it and get his priorities back in line (pun intended):eek:

[Maple Leaf]

Check out the inline owners group. You will find your answer there;) Here's the link:thumbsup:

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/group.php?groupid=3

[largecar91]

I might have 1 or 2!!:D:D. Never really heard anyone say they were easy to work on! Without all the proper tools, they are a bitch!

[gregpro50]

Cool, I didnt realize there was an owners group.

I think they are easy to work on. Or at least I have a pretty good understanding of them. I have most of the tools required. The biggest pain for me is getting the pistons back in but I've worked out a way to do it.

I prefer playing with the ADI ignition ones.

It amazes me how many people hate these things but I've had quite a few OMCs before Mercs and now I'd much rather have one of these. Smooth running, light, and powerful.

[mragu]

Add CrazyHorse, DaveS, John Sherlock, Jeff Grigg to the above list, and there are a LOT more that will come to me after I have a chance to think about it.

We're in the process of converting Mragu also, but he's kinda slow comin' around. I'm thinkin' we may have to boot him for about a month to give him time to think about it and get his priorities back in line (pun intended):eek:

There is no space between the in and line in "inline".

[KG4]

I have a 76 1500:thumbsup:

[daveswaves]

I have a 74 1150 and a 75 1500 , almost enough ported pistons, way too many non ported pistons, spare mid, spare lower unit, spare carbs, spare intakes and so on and so on. I play only with the distributor models.:cheers:

[delawarerick]

I have one made up of parts and tweeked by Dave S wanted one since they came out so built a strong one. Rick

[Mark75H]

I have some too :thumbsup:

[Six Four]

I got a few, but not yet had to work on them.. May even be selling one soon...

[JWTjr.]

but like V4s better.

JT

[Raceman]

but like V4s better.

JT

That's about like you sayin' you'd rather have Rosie O'Donnell than Jennifer Anniston.:eek:

[Bruster]

Ouch :thumbsup:


That's about like you sayin' you'd rather have Rosie O'Donnell than Jennifer Anniston.:eek:

[baldad45]

Count me in 1250ss,1250SuperBP,1500 short shaft and T2.Always liked these engines ,grew up on Johnson twins 5.5,25,couple 40's.Got my first Merc at 18 ,a 35A that had been traded in at my best buddys brothers Johnson dealership.We tore it down ported it and drove the hell out of it. After that I had a 4 cyl 65 on a 14 ft Sidewinder and replaced the 65 with the current 1500.The

[ssmith007]

IMO there are alot of us that used to have I6's that still luv em. I had a '76 Kona with a '76 1500xs. Ran about 60mph. It was our first boat. Wish I would have never sold it. Luv reading about the twisters and other I6's. Maybe i'll end up with another if the price is right. (Like the fella who got the 1350ss with a boat and trailor for $650). Kindest Regards. Smitty:thumbsup:

[crazy horse]

Yep, I do love inlines. I started out on inline fours, My first Merc was a 1956 mark 30m. That little four popper was one tough engine. Back in the late 60's some of us on the lake had a run what you brung rowboat races. I had that 30 on a 10ft. sears rowboat and Man, was that a blast. I remember repitching mine and a buddys props with a bumpin dolly and Ball peen hammer. :thumbsup:

[Raceman]

Seein' your post and thinkin' about your RED Comp Viper just has me kinda' thinkin' outloud here.

I'm wonderin' how a Comp Vector would be with a 1500XS.......... or even more hallucinatin', what would it be like with TWO of em.:eek: To look right with the XS stickers like Bruster makes I guess I'd haveta' try and find a RED one. I guess it's a silly idea since there probably aren't any RED Comp Vectors around anymore to match up to the stickers that are available and it'd probably be hard to find a PAIR of 1500XS's nowdays too.;)

[crazy horse]

RM,I wonder how a set of SSM,s would work under that twin inline Vector?:D

[Raceman]

RM,I wonder how a set of SSM,s would work under that twin inline Vector?:D

Since it's just a fantasy anyway Speedmasters would probably be just right on it.

Problem is, where would somebody go about tryin' to find a red Comp Vector, a pair of 1500XS's, and a pair of counter rotatin' Speedmasters.:confused:

[Dave_r]

I have a 1959 Mark 78A, runs but need to be redone.....waiting to get some time and find the right boat.

[bernie]

I only own one, a 1973 115, just put rings in it this winter. Is on a Viper, has Formula 100 wraparound decal just to scare people. Runs great, didn't idle so well, when I tore down I found all the intake bleed restrictors missing.

[JWTjr.]

That's about like you sayin' you'd rather have Rosie O'Donnell than Jennifer Anniston.:eek:

Norris, keep your Rosie fantasies out of engine discussions, please. Some of us still have a healthy imagination.

Funny how a stock 140-hp Evinrude can run right with a "155 horsepower" 150XS.

JT

[JWTjr.]

Seein' your post and thinkin' about your RED Comp Viper just has me kinda' thinkin' outloud here.

I'm wonderin' how a Comp Vector would be with a 1500XS.......... or even more hallucinatin', what would it be like with TWO of em.:eek: To look right with the XS stickers like Bruster makes I guess I'd haveta' try and find a RED one. I guess it's a silly idea since there probably aren't any RED Comp Vectors around anymore to match up to the stickers that are available and it'd probably be hard to find a PAIR of 1500XS's nowdays too.;)


There's a RED comp Vector for sale on S & F right now...a mint one...and you supposedly have cornered the market on 1500XS engines. So what's stopping you?

JT

[specboatops]

Born and raised on the inline stuff, Dad will forever be my Hero for introducing me to boating. I have had a number of inlines but to date am down to a 74 J block ( like the one in John Tigers post) and Possible if things work out right a twisterII that I found by luck at an old Marina...............

[Raceman]

There's a RED comp Vector for sale on S & F right now...a mint one...and you supposedly have cornered the market on 1500XS engines. So what's stopping you?

JT

It's my understanding that it's been sold.;)

[mr fun]

considered building a good running 150 a friend wants to part with b/c of bad fuel consumption, but after spending 12k on my peterbilt in 90 days + a couple am forced to leave all options open, my membership will be in place soon, so will be posting in the for sale catagory. fun out :cool:

[mragu]

Funny how a stock 140-hp Evinrude can run right with a "155 horsepower" 150XS.

JT[/QUOTE]

JT, I thought we were keeping quiet about that;)
Now Norris is going to kick me off S&F:leaving:

[Mark75H]

They do and do not at the same time.

V-4's have become the preferred motor of the Trihull racers in Texas, but if you look back to their early shoot out radar runs, there was another motor that stood out for top end speed.

It looks like there is a motor with more top end and there is another motor with better mid range that can get you around an oval course quicker. :cheers:

[Raceman]

Funny how a stock 140-hp Evinrude can run right with a "155 horsepower" 150XS.


Yep, goin' back to my original comparison, all the dykes in Rosie's circle of friends probably don't question her performance either, but she's still fat and ugly. :D 1500XS is lean and mean. One of the best lookin' outboards ever made. V4............yawn......... looks right at home on a houseboat.

Don't do it Mike. We'll be sickin' Crazy Horse on you for a grudge race.:eek:

[Laker]

I have had 4 different Merc 1500s
And I like V4s much better.:cheers:

[Raceman]

I have had 4 different Merc 1500s
And I like V4s much better.:cheers:

Shhhhhhh............ still tryin' to get Mike to do the right thing with his Viper.

[JWTjr.]

pretty accurate, in most cases.

JT

[JWTjr.]

My reference to accurate statements referred to Sam's post.

While I like my 150 inline ok, it's just no comparison to a V4. It runs fast on top, but has no balls when compared to running a stock V4 with the same prop. Not sure if the inline would be any faster on top, as I've never compared them directly on the same boat, same prop, same driver, same load and same day. Back in the JP days, my V4 was slower around the course to only one engine I encountered...and that was an Evinrude looper V4, not a Merc 150.

BTW, the 150 looks right at home on a Glastron bowrider.

JT

[KG4]

:thumbsup:

[delawarerick]

KG4 thats clean real nice. My 83 115 merc is encased in a 86 90 Mariner cover and mid with merc black lower. I have a 73 1500 sitting on a stand I like the new electronics. Rick

[Raceman]

Back in the JP days, my V4 was slower around the course to only one engine I encountered...and that was an Evinrude looper V4, not a Merc 150.
JT

Y'know John, my comments above wuz' basically just fun pokin' at the OMC groupies around here, but seriously.................... I went to a LOT of races in the 70's, starting with APBA Nationals in '75 in the Marine Stadium (which got me hooked) Eufaula several consecutive years, St. Louis several years, etc, etc as well as countless back yards in Ga, Fla, Ala., SC, and I can honestly say that I don't recall EVER seeing a V4 OMC win in JP, or even run competitively at NOA Kilos in Tenn in whatever their similar class to JP was. I don't know what happened after my accident in '81 when quit going or even reading about it, but in the '70's the JP class seemed totally dominated by inline Mercs and anybody that showed with an OMC was a back marker................'least everwhere I ever went.;)

[Raceman]

Now Norris is going to kick me off S&F:leaving:

I already talked to Greg about it. He agreed that puttin a V4 on that Viper is a bannable offense because of the utter vulgarity of it.:D:eek::D

[sspeed66]

I have a 74 1500, casually looking around here locally for any others for spare parts, next door has lots, including the 1500XS in the second "SPY" photo, taken over the fence !:thumbsup: Yes, the louvered cowl is on upside down...
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee210/sspeed66/other%20pics/AlsPictures583.jpg
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee210/sspeed66/other%20pics/AlsPictures686.jpg

[Mark75H]

Dang, all this chatter and we only picked up 2 new members in the inline owner's social group?

[Se7]

Really enjoy the old inline sixes. Grew up on them. Have four now, 2-77 model 1500XS's both fully restored in and out, a 1500 shortie in the process of a full resto, and a 1250 BP partially restored.
Run the 1500XS a great deal, rarely sits for more that 5 days at a time in the summer. Enjoy the IL6 site.

[gregpro50]

Dang, all this chatter and we only picked up 2 new members in the inline owner's social group?


Sorry about that.... I just joined.

[dangerou1944]

I have 1500 xs 15 ft allison restored. High points champion hotrod FBI 2006

[mragu]

I already talked to Greg about it. He agreed that puttin a V4 on that Viper is a bannable offense because of the utter vulgarity of it.:D:eek::D

He's officially a Southerner now. Tell him I better not see him on my (our) canal:D

[Raceman]

He's officially a Southerner now. Tell him I better not see him on my (our) canal:D

You just go ahead and throw that tall fat motor on that Viper and you're gonna' throw up when you see my new project.;)

[FlowMaxx]

Can't touch this V4.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/FlowMaxx/video/th_100_6192.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/FlowMaxx/video/?action=view&current=100_6192.flv)

Nothin against I6's as they are cool and have there place. But ain't a I6 lake boat out there that is gonna put the spank on this V4....

[Bruster]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2na06f9.jpg

[Raceman]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2na06f9.jpg

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Bruster]

Yep, Now we're talkin...


Can't touch this V4.
Nothin against I6's as they are cool and have there place. But ain't a I6 lake boat out there that is gonna put the spank on this V4....

[Raceman]

Nothin against I6's as they are cool and have there place. But ain't a I6 lake boat out there that is gonna put the spank on this V4....

I dunno' about that. 120 looper or not, I'd have to see it run past Crazy Horse's boat to believe it, and THEN we could bring out the heavy artillery.:eek:

So that V6 cowl has a V4 hidin' under it? Ain't that kinda' like takin' a 6 cyl Chevelle and puttin' 427 Emblems on it? I usually prefer to camo my stuff in the other direction.:D:D

[raymar]

Gregpro50,
Just puttin' in my 2 cents worth:
one Twister, two Twister 1s, one Twister 2X, two 1350 Stackers, one 1500XS, one
1250 Super BP, one 1250ss shorty, one 1250ss longie, one 1963 1000 shorty, one 1100ss
longie. I hope this qualifies me for the Merc Inline 6 Club.

[FlowMaxx]

That is a very nice looking boat!! With all due respect, my money is on the V4.

[Laker]

Yep, Now we're talkin...

FlowMaxx is right....
Nothing short of a full house T2X on a potato chip is going to run with this.
And in these passes I was running pump fuel.:cool:
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk213/LakerV4/66AA.jpg

[JWTjr.]

I'll put my V4/Allison 15 in the mix as well...just a lil 'ol stock 140 Evinrude, but she's not askeerd of any inline 150...name the time and place...but for any long distance travel, it better be interesting.

JT

[bworner]

Flowmaxx I know your just lyin and makin trouble here on S&F like usual.......We all know that the I6 is faster, heck thats why they are still using it to wax the competiton.....V4's are weak, only guys in Wisconsin talk about white and blue motors, bunch of tards, oh ****, Im a Tard to, but you and Chris already know that......Oh and guys, I'll put $1000.00 on the Warmed Up V4 above, heck maybe against some v6's also,of course they'd have to be somewhat in the same class......I think this summer some of us should put out or shut up, I say the same to my girls....seriously all doubters in the midwest on boats and setups we should all get on the water and show eachother, I think that would be cool and Slow down some of the Key Board Pro Racers on here....Just a idea.......

[Raceman]

This is the funnest' topic I've seen around here lately.:thumbsup:

For the sake of conversation, howzabout this:

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With either a 1250 Super BP, 1350 Stacker, Twister, Twister1, T2, T2X, 1500XS or ANY OF THE ABOVE EXCEPT THE Super BP in PAIRS.:eek:
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[Laker]

So that V6 cowl has a V4 hidin' under it? Ain't that kinda' like takin' a 6 cyl Chevelle and puttin' 427 Emblems on it? I usually prefer to camo my stuff in the other direction.:D:D

Whos got a V6 cowling??
Norris, you dont even know what a V4 IS!!
How many cylinders does your walker have??:reddevil:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk213/LakerV4/100_5851.jpg

[JWTjr.]

[QUOTE=Laker;1559623]Whos got a V6 cowling??
Norris, you dont even know what a V4 IS!!
How many cylinders does your walker have??:reddevil:

hehe...

JT

[FlowMaxx]

Merc inline 6 made racing history in the 60's and 70's.

This V4 is making history now:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/FlowMaxx/100_5661.jpg

[bworner]

V6 cowling???? Definitely not a stock one guys, dude just out of spite Im now gonna have to spend some money....Laker and Flowmaxx lets start the search.....I want to build up this Hydrostream with Slow Fishing motors group, hey John (Jwtjr) is your 140 a Crossflow like mine or a Looper? And what year is it? If its a crossflow Id like to ask you some questions concerning their era, if you dont mind.....So seriously Raceman, back in the day the Inline 6 was the only winner??? Im asking seriously because I wasnt around until 1976 so my knowledge is of DFI and the only Inline I know of is the Black refrigerator, I mean Verado....But Merc was that dominant back in the day, thats pretty cool, if thats true why are the V4's so much faster and torquier now??? was it a stock vs. racing motor thing, like the some of the outboard comparisons in the past??

[Raceman]

[quote=Laker;1559623]Whos got a V6 cowling??
Norris, you dont even know what a V4 IS!!
How many cylinders does your walker have??:reddevil:

hehe...

JT

I thought y'all were chatterin' about the red Viper with the V6 cowl on it back up the last page.:confused: Now alluva' sudden a late model looper shows in the pics.

[FlowMaxx]

This is the funnest' topic I've seen around here lately.:thumbsup:

For the sake of conversation, howzabout this:

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With either a 1250 Super BP, 1350 Stacker, Twister, Twister1, T2, T2X, 1500XS or ANY OF THE ABOVE EXCEPT THE Super BP in PAIRS.:eek:
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You only get to put ONE motor on it.

[Raceman]

You only get to put ONE motor on it.

Then you don't get to play with a late model looper with 20 more inches and 30 years of technological advances.:p:p:p

[Laker]

For the sake of conversation, howzabout this:
With either a 1250 Super BP, 1350 Stacker, Twister, Twister1, T2, T2X, 1500XS or ANY OF THE ABOVE EXCEPT THE Super BP in PAIRS.:eek:


Norris, You need to put a T2X on ANYTHING you wish for you to have a Hope and a Prayer.

[FlowMaxx]

Then you don't get to play with a late model looper with 20 more inches.:p:p:p


Hasn't even been a 1/2 hour and you are already backing down?

[Raceman]

Hasn't even been a 1/2 hour and you are already backing down?

I never back down............... I just don't show up.:D:D:D

[bworner]

I need a Stream so I can argue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FlowMaxx]

Three Lakes Shootout - June 27, 2009 Three Lakes Wisconsin.

WE'LL SEE if you show up.

[jjmalkow]

Moneys goin on the Ventura and the Looper. ALL DAY LONG.

[bworner]

Mark where is that link for the 84 vegas??? I deleted my im's and it was there, can you send it to me??? Now im freaking out wanting to spend dumb money on something I dont need, again....

[Laker]

[quote=JWTjr.;1559629]

I thought y'all were chatterin' about the red Viper with the V6 cowl on it back up the last page.:confused: Now alluva' sudden a late model looper shows in the pics.

Time to get out the glaucoma meds...
What Viper and V6?????
The boat in FlowMaxx sig is a Viking with a Xflow V6... Just like is shows in the photo.....
The video is of My ventura running... Pretty good.:reddevil:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk213/LakerV4/100_31_0720_720.jpg

[Raceman]

Three Lakes Shootout - June 27, 2009 Three Lakes Wisconsin.

WE'LL SEE if you show up.

If it's more than an hour from home I ain't goin'. I ain't like Paladin.........
Have gun, won't travel.

[Laker]

If it's more than an hour from home I ain't goin'. I ain't like Paladin.........
Have gun, won't travel.

Talking smack but wont come and play..... Typical

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk213/LakerV4/100_4726.jpg

[FlowMaxx]

If it's more than an hour from home I ain't goin'. I ain't like Paladin.........
Have gun, won't travel.

You are right.....that would be an aweful long drive home with your tail between your legs.

[Raceman]

[quote=Raceman;1559635]

Time to get out the glaucoma meds...
What Viper and V6?????
The boat in FlowMaxx sig is a Viking with a Xflow V6... Just like is shows in the photo.....
The video is of My ventura running... Pretty good.:reddevil:

I wuz thinkin' that red boat was the one that somebody had on a Viper thread a while back with an OMC. Hard to tell from the angle in the sig.:o

I ain't seen the video of the OMC runnin'. Seems like them OMC videos always kick in my virus software.:D

[Mark75H]

Id like to ask you some questions concerning their era, if you dont mind.....So seriously Raceman, back in the day the Inline 6 was the only winner??? Im asking seriously because I wasnt around until 1976 ......But Merc was that dominant back in the day, thats pretty cool, if thats true why are the V4's so much faster and torquier now??? was it a stock vs. racing motor thing, like the some of the outboard comparisons in the past??

Nope, stock vs stock and racing vs racing ... black ruled the race course before the V-6's & loopers.

Merc even had ads with all the tallies from year to year ... hardly a year went by that Merc hadn't won more races than all the others combined

[Raceman]

Y'all boys could always come down here where the water ain't quite so crusty this timea' year.

[bworner]

so seriously guys, If a 2-identical Vipers were lined up with identically stock lets say inline 6 140 or 150 and a Johnny rude 140 V4 raced, optimal setup for both, what would win across the RPM range, not just top end, but hole shot,mid range, and top end, and statistically which one would hold together longer,reliability wise.....Just asking a question incase I encounter a Checkmate with a 140 Inline

[bworner]

Thank you Mark75 for answering my serrious question....I stir the pot sometimes but overall like learning from you guys......Like I said I can talk all day about Optimax, Etec, DI, FICHT,HPDI, 4 bangers, and so on, but before 1990 I dont know crap, and its fun to read your guys opinions and past experiences......So Mark75 your saying the Loopers are a different situation to your above post, did they totally dominate in their era or something, and if so why? Thanks

[Mark75H]

The V-4 loopers never had a class to race in. By then everything was overshadowed by bigger V-6's & V-8's ... I'm pretty sure the OMC loopers are about the same cubic inch as the first Merc V-6's and the Mercs had a lot more power.

[Raceman]

.....So seriously Raceman, back in the day the Inline 6 was the only winner??? Im asking seriously because I wasnt around until 1976 so my knowledge is of DFI and the only Inline I know of is the Black refrigerator, I mean Verado....But Merc was that dominant back in the day, thats pretty cool, if thats true why are the V4's so much faster and torquier now??? was it a stock vs. racing motor thing, like the some of the outboard comparisons in the past??

JP and SJ were always Merc classes and if the class was ever won by an OMC at a sanctioned race I never knew about it. Remember, these were stock 100 cu in engines, all crossflows (Merc's so called direct charge was basically still a crossflow). JP was V bottoms and SJ was tunnels. All wasn't lost. The 50 cu inch 3 cyl classes were just as dominated by the OMC with their superior looper configuration. Even the Mod 50 class was dominated by the OMC looper race engines. When the 50 inch classes went in the water that's when the Merc fans usually went to the snack bar because it was too gruesome to watch. In those classes the Mercs got really beat up.

The Mercs not only had superior horsepower, but the 15" Mercs as opposed to the 20" OMC's (OMC didn't build a production 15" V4) gave the Mercs an aero and handling advantage.

[Raceman]

so seriously guys, If a 2-identical Vipers were lined up with identically stock lets say inline 6 140 or 150 and a Johnny rude 140 V4 raced, optimal setup for both, what would win across the RPM range, not just top end, but hole shot,mid range, and top end, and statistically which one would hold together longer,reliability wise.....Just asking a question incase I encounter a Checkmate with a 140 Inline

I don't know my old OMC crossflows very well, so I don't know when or if they made a 140 crossflow. If we're talking stock engine for stock engine that was available in mid to late 70's, we'd be talking 1500XS Merc vs 135 OMC crossflow, and putting both in pure stock configuration on a Viper would be an ugly matchup for the OMC with it giving up horsepower, weight, handling, and gearcase design to the Merc. In all fairness, there wasn't much left that could be done to the 1500XS since there was no practical way to raise compression to offset increase in exhaust port timing. The OMC's could be ported to the moon and have the heads cut all to pieces. In the classes that allowed mods, or race engines like the T2's against the Super Strangler and Stinger GP OMC the playing field was a lot more level.

[FlowMaxx]

Merc has always had it together when it comes to production racing motors going back to 1947 when it all started with the Lightning and all the way up to date still making race engines. There were so many offerings that had short midsections and racing lower units. OMC had limited offerings that were very limited production. KC13, KR15, Stinger GP and Strangler for the V4 Crossflows. CCC and RS for the V6 Crossflows. F1 for the V8, but how many of those are out there? 45SS and a 15SS? Most of the Looper stuff was pieced together with aftermarket parts from Second Effort Performance or other custom parts. There are some HOT OMC's out there, but the majority have been custom built and tuned by some serious professionals, not bought with cash turn key from the dealer.

Mark75H - how many factory race motors from Merc Vs. OMC?

[Raceman]

The V-4 loopers never had a class to race in. By then everything was overshadowed by bigger V-6's & V-8's ... I'm pretty sure the OMC loopers are about the same cubic inch as the first Merc V-6's and the Mercs had a lot more power.

That's always been one of the great mysteries of corporate strategy to me. When OMC's new V6 came out in '75 it was a 200 and if I remember right somewhere around 140 cubic inches, BUT it was a crossflow. After a very succesful run of 3 cyl loopers for many years, that were used on everything from light fast raceboats to slow heavy tri hull bow riders, OMC seemingly took a step backwards in making their new hotrod in the obsolete crossflow technology. Merc on the other hand had never had a looper or V engine in their production line, let alone a V6, so they come with the new 122 cu inch V6 as a looper. I know this comment will start another debate, but around here, the guys that had the ProCraft, Venture, Hydrosport bassboats, and the Streams all decided that on comparable boats the 122 cu inch 175 horse Merc was a little faster on top than the 200 OMC UNLESS the boats were running fast enough that the first design V6 lower unit (which belonged on a tugboat) would blow out. In one case two local guys had identical ProCraft bassboats and upgraded from inline 1500's, with one going to the Merc V6 and the other the OMC. The Merc boat was claimed to be 3 MPH faster on the speedos that were admittedly happy, but in any case the Merc had the edge. In '78 both of the guys bought new 2.4/200 Mercs and put on their boats.

[Mark75H]

how many factory race motors from Merc Vs. OMC?

It varied from year to year, sometimes it was 10:1, other times 100:1; but the numbers Merc bragged on are mostly based on non race std production motors raced in stock no modification classes

OMC seemed to do a lot better in the public's eye than it actually did. They spent their money very selectively on a few races, a few racers and - made sure they had the best boats and props. And then followed up with precise advertising that took advantage of the particular races they did win.

[FlowMaxx]

It varied from year to year, sometimes it was 10:1, other times 100:1; but the numbers Merc bragged on are mostly based on non race std production motors raced in stock no modification classes

OMC seemed to do a lot better in the public's eye than it actually did. They spent their money very selectively on a few races, a few racers and - made sure they had the best boats and props. And then followed up with precise advertising that took advantage of the particular races they did win.


Interesting. How many models in the entire history of each manufacturer were made specifically for racing?

[Raceman]

Merc has always had it together when it comes to production racing motors going back to 1947 when it all started with the Lightning and all the way up to date still making race engines. There were so many offerings that had short midsections and racing lower units. OMC had limited offerings that were very limited production. KC13, KR15, Stinger GP and Strangler for the V4 Crossflows. CCC and RS for the V6 Crossflows. F1 for the V8, but how many of those are out there? 45SS and a 15SS? Most of the Looper stuff was pieced together with aftermarket parts from Second Effort Performance or other custom parts. There are some HOT OMC's out there, but the majority have been custom built and tuned by some serious professionals, not bought with cash turn key from the dealer.

Mark75H - how many factory race motors from Merc Vs. OMC?

It'd be interesting to know the numbers, but I doubt that the figures exist. I've looked hard for an 8 barrel StingerGP or Super Strangler since I've been collecting stuff and have never run across one of either that could be bought. At the races, even though they were competitive they were far outnumbered by Mercs. Even the T2 & T2X Mercs are fairly common nowdays, but seems like the 2 OMC's are non existant.

The best days of really competitive racing in my opinion were when Merc was running the T3's and OMC had the CCC/RS Johnrudes. Seemed like either one could win on a given day, but the factories absolutely killed it with their political foolishness and boycotts. It was frustrating as hell to fly somewhere like St. Louis in 76/77/78 period and have one or the other of the factory teams not show because of some petty bickering over a rule, or political BS.

[JWTjr.]

bworner, mine is a crossflow 140. I've had many of these over the years, as well as more than a few 150 Mercs.

Actually the 100-cube OMC vs. Merc matchup would produce very close results.The 150 Merc and 140 OMC weighed very close to the same (within 25 pounds); the gear ratio was the same (2:1); the later 1970s (78-on) OMC gearcase profile matched up very well hydrodynamically with Merc's; and, both engines produced good power up to and over 6000 rpm. On a light race hull, both engines could turn well over 6000 rpm with what were standard race props of the day (26" and 28" cleavers, both Merc and OMC).

I ran JP against many inline Merc 150 and 150xs engines with a box stock 1978 Johnson and then 1984 Evinrude 140. I never had any trouble with any of them, whether it was off the beach, coming off the pins, or down the straightaway. Short courses or long courses, didn't matter. Top end of any of the better JPs in the late 70s and into the mid 80s (when the class died) was somewhere between 75 and 80 mph depending on boat, setup, prop, conditions and course...didn't matter if it was a Merc or OMC, that's what they ran. If the OMCs were so slow and uncompetitive, why was that so? And this isn't third-hand info, or spectator interpretation...this is coming from someone who was there, on the course, in a race boat.

JT

[Mark75H]

That's always been one of the great mysteries of corporate strategy to me. When OMC's new V6 came out in '75 it was a 200 and if I remember right somewhere around 140 cubic inches, BUT it was a crossflow. After a very succesful run of 3 cyl loopers for many years, that were used on everything from light fast raceboats to slow heavy tri hull bow riders, OMC seemingly took a step backwards in making their new hotrod in the obsolete crossflow technology. Merc on the other hand had never had a looper or V engine in their production line, let alone a V6, so they come with the new 122 cu inch V6 as a looper.

It shocked me as well. My guess is it was a bean counter thing ... you know Strang still pretty much holds the record of 15% return on the investor's dollar at that time. The OMC 200 was the first time they had trumped Merc with top hp since Merc was a serious contender.

[FlowMaxx]

It'd be interesting to know the numbers, but I doubt that the figures exist. I've looked hard for an 8 barrel StingerGP or Super Strangler since I've been collecting stuff and have never run across one of either that could be bought. At the races, even though they were competitive they were far outnumbered by Mercs. Even the T2 & T2X Mercs are fairly common nowdays, but seems like the 2 OMC's are non existant.

The best days of really competitive racing in my opinion were when Merc was running the T3's and OMC had the CCC/RS Johnrudes. Seemed like either one could win on a given day, but the factories absolutely killed it with their political foolishness and boycotts. It was frustrating as hell to fly somewhere like St. Louis in 76/77/78 period and have one or the other of the factory teams not show because of some petty bickering over a rule, or political BS.


Must have been great to be around back in the day and see all this. I bet Mark75H can give a close answer to my question.

[Raceman]

Interesting. How many models in the entire history of each manufacturer were made specifically for racing?

I'm gonna take a shot at Mercs and let Sam fill in the holes. The 850XS and 1500XS were production engines available from any Merc dealer, so technically they're not on the list, although neither were all that practical for consumer use because of the short mid section and placement of the low water pickups making them prone to frying powerheads on anything that required much positive trim for bow lift.

Lots of twin cyl and 4 cyl race Mercs, but as far as 6 cyls go:

Mark75H (still huntin' one for my collection)
1000 BP
1250 BP
1000 Super BP
1250 Super BP
Twister
Twister1
T2
T2X
T3
T4

and too many variations of SST120 F1, F2, ModU, S3000, & 300 drag type later model engines to try and list.

The 3 cyl engines like the 650XS and 650X and 700X would have to be included too.

[Mark75H]

Interesting. How many models in the entire history of each manufacturer were made specifically for racing?

I could count it up for you if you'd really like to know, but it would be completely irrelevant. There were decades when one made race motors and the other didn't and OMC is much older than Merc, their history goes back 100 years. Merc started in 1939 and didn't make a race motor until 1950.

[JWTjr.]

but KRs can be found if you look hard enough...I found one in all original condition...should be finished soon.

JT

[FlowMaxx]

Good luck with the 75H. I think they only made 6? VERY RARE!

In Sam's signature he states around 150 different outboard models specifically for racing. I'd bet that easily more then half are Mercs.

[Mark75H]

No, not half. Maybe 30%

There were 48 Mk75H's with factory serial numbers and probably that many more that went out the back door with no number. Mine is a back door version.

There are many more motors that are more rare.

[Raceman]

If the OMCs were so slow and uncompetitive, why was that so? And this isn't third-hand info, or spectator interpretation...this is coming from someone who was there, on the course, in a race boat.

JT

John, I didn't make the comments in the previous post to be critical of the OMC's or the guys that raced them, but as I said in that post, I went to Miami, Eufaula multiple years after the APBA nationals were moved there and bunches of races in states surrounding Georgia back then, as well as St. Louis for probably 5 years after '75 and I honestly NEVER SAW an OMC win in JP or SJ. I don't know what may've happened at sanctioned events in other parts of the country because we pretty much only went to the big races or backyard stuff within a couple hundred miles or so.

[Raceman]

There are many more motors that are more rare (than a Mark75H).

Probably so, but none I'd rather have. T4 is MUCH rarer, but not nearly as cool.;)

[FlowMaxx]

No, not half. Maybe 30%

There were 48 Mk75H's with factory serial numbers and probably that many more that went out the back door with no number. Mine is a back door version.

There are many more motors that are more rare.


Thanks. I think I might know where one is, but I doubt if it is for sale. It would make for a REAL interesting thread to list all of the factory produced racing motors by manufacturer

[Mark75H]

I've started a thread about it on another site, but have no interest in doing it here ... it would just spiral away into insanity that had nothing to do with the motors or history.

And,

it is a massive undertaking ... and it would be copied over and over again without me getting any credit for the time I've spent researching it all.

[JWTjr.]

just asking the question. I think most raced the 150 Merc because it was "the motor to have"; in addition, it had several advantages over the earlier V4 versions. That is to say, the earlier (1973-76) 135 OMCs had a bulkier gearcase, poor power trim system, and not as much power as the 1977 and later 140s (and by then they fixed the trim and gearcase). I remember when I decided to run JP with an OMC I was told it was crazy, that it would never be competitive. I followed the lead of Roger Meekins and Mike Quindazzi, two racers who ran OMCs very successfully at the time (Meekins in JP and Quindazzi in Mod-VP) and found immediately that the 140 was more than competitive with the 150 Merc.

JT

[Mark75H]

Thanks. I think I might know where one is, but I doubt if it is for sale.

I know where almost all of them are (maybe 75 or 80) and only 2 or 3 could really be called "original". In fact, the majority of people who think they have one ... just have a 6 with a Speedmaster

I know where several of them are "for sale", but the asking prices are not real ... sort of like someone asking $50 Million for a Hemi 'Cuda convertible ... NO SALE. Like I say ... someone will buy it from the estate for scrap

[FlowMaxx]

I've started a thread about it on another site, but have no interest in doing it here ... it would just spiral away into insanity that had nothing to do with the motors or history.

And,

it is a massive undertaking

Would you mind posting or pm'ing me the link? This kind of stuff really interests me. I am a novice who would like to become more educated.

[Raceman]

I know where almost all of them are (maybe 75 or 80) and only 2 or 3 could really be called "original". In fact, the majority of people who think they have one ... just have a 6 with a Speedmaster

I know where several of them are "for sale", but the asking prices are not real ... sort of like someone asking $50 Million for a Hemi 'Cuda convertible ... NO SALE. Like I say ... someone will buy it from the estate for scrap

Just out of curiosity, what are people asking for em nowdays? I would still settle for finding a 75H mid and lower and sticking a stock 75 powerhead on it until when/if an authentic one ever comes along.

[Mark75H]

Here you go: Link to the Waaaay Back thread (http://tinyurl.com/9f4tmp)

I have a long way to go on that thread, but its a start. I'm jammed up putting heat into 2 of my relatives houses right now and I'd really like to have a pair of motors ready for racing early in the spring with some new internals that I haven't made yet.

[Mark75H]

just Out Of Curiosity, What Are People Asking For Em Nowdays?

$20k .......

[Raceman]

So Sam, from this list what would you add? Not everything missing, just what rounds out the group best. 402XS maybe?

KG4H
KG7H
Mk20H

Mk30H
Mk55H

650XS
700X

850XS
1500XS

1250 BP 1250 Super BP
1350 Stacker (these were probably not sold as factory race engines)
Twister
Twister1
T2
T2X
T3
T4

[Raceman]

$20k .......

Ouch, I guess I'll just have to settle for the Alterscale model.:eek: I can remember not too long ago when everybody thought 10K was an exorbitant price for one.

[bworner]

Sorry to HIJACK guys, but John and Flowmaxx from what Im reading OMC did Mod the v4's back then? See As Flowmaxx knows I have a 82 140 Johnson, and thought besides heads their wasnt much to do on it? John my motor is pretty much the same as yours correct? Im just trying to learn about what I have and how to hopefully tweak it for optimal power,and would love it to be competitive with motors of its day....These older Race motors are really interesting...Flowmaxx or anyone have pics of a Strangler V4, Id like to reproduce the graphics for mine or the other v4 version??? Thanks guys for putting up with my questions

[FlowMaxx]

so Sam, From This List What Would You Add? Not Everything Missing, Just What Rounds Out The Group Best. 402xs Maybe?

Kg4h
Kg7h
Mk20h

Mk30h
Mk55h

650xs
700x

850xs
1500xs

1250 Bp 1250 Super Bp
1350 Stacker (these Were Probably Not Sold As Factory Race Engines)
Twister
Twister1
T2
T2x
T3
T4


Kg9h?
Mk40h
25ss
35ss
25xs
44xs

[Mark75H]

So Sam, from this list what would you add? Not everything missing, just what rounds out the group best. 402XS maybe?

KG4H
KG7H
Mk20H

Mk30H
Mk55H

650XS
700X

850XS
1500XS

1250 BP 1250 Super BP
1350 Stacker (these were probably not sold as factory race engines)
Twister
Twister1
T2
T2X
T3
T4


KG9H or Mk40H (they look so much alike its near impossible to see the difference)

60J (its featured in ads with some of the 1250 BP's and has the absolute smallest Quicksilver lower unit ever made)

25XS or 10XS (absolutely cute)

35ss/402X (actually the dog of the family)

44XS (Merc or Mariner)

maybe one of the "Q" models that precedes all of these

and definitely a "converted" Mk20H

[Raceman]

KG9H or Mk40H (they look so much alike its near impossible to see the difference)
Never liked those...... think they're ugly and don't look like a Merc



60J (its featured in ads with some of the 1250 BP's)
That's the little twin with no cowling??????



25XS or 10XS (absolutely cute)
Don't remember those



35ss/402X (actually the dog of the family)
Have my eye on a 402X, would like to have it



44XS (Merc or Mariner)
Want one of these too, but think too expensive still, gotta' be black



maybe one of the "Q" models that precedes all of these
You mean like a KG7Q or KG4Q?



and definitely a "converted" Mk20H
Great idea, hadn't thought of that

[Laker]

Sorry to HIJACK guys, I have a 82 140 Johnson, and thought besides heads their wasnt much to do on it? John my motor is pretty much the same as yours correct? hanks guys for putting up with my questions

On a checkmate Super tub... Their is not much you can do that will gain you much or make you happy.
NOW.... If you had a light weight 14-17 foot performance hull that was light and right.... their is alot more options. :cheers: ALOT.
Yes... a checkmate is that bad.:o:leaving:

[FlowMaxx]

Here you go: Link to the Waaaay Back thread (http://tinyurl.com/9f4tmp)

I have a long way to go on that thread, but its a start. I'm jammed up putting heat into 2 of my relatives houses right now and I'd really like to have a pair of motors ready for racing early in the spring with some new internals that I haven't made yet.

Very cool history and very interesting. I am a member of the AOMC and can really appreciate this kind of stuff. Thanks for sharing.

[Raceman]

Kg9h?
Mk40h
25ss
35ss
25xs
44xs

I don't know what the 25SS & 25XS are either.

[bworner]

Laker my Nutts are killing me from the repetitve kicks just now.......Honestly though if they suck that bad how are the Pulsarre 21footer with 300's going like 90+ and they are trying for a 100? I mean its a way bigger boat with way more power,but if you look at a checkmate hull their damn near all the same,obvioulsy not the same but very similar, the damn pads are like 4 or 5 inch on the big ones even, but the big ones cruise, or am I smokin somethin?

[FlowMaxx]

I don't know what the 25SS & 25XS are either.

25SS:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/FlowMaxx/1-3-2007-121.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/FlowMaxx/100_6788.jpg

[JWTjr.]

while a Pulsare with a 300xs going 90+ is a nice boat, it's all relative...as that same 300xs on, say, a Bullet bass boat runs well over 100. On a Vegas XT, HST, etc...105+.

There's a lot you can do to a stock 82 140. Porting, heads, exhaust, carbs, reeds, stuffers, crankcase work...it all adds up. But Chris (Lake) is right...on your Checkmate, it won't give you much at all relative to how fast it goes now. Find a good lightweight hull for that engine and THEN...don't modify the engine yet. Do all you can to make the hull, rigging, setup and propping as right as it can be...THEN consider hotrodding the engine if you still want speed (you will).

Your Checkmate, if it's like most, probably hits 50 or so on a good day. Your engine, as is (if it's running as it should be) is good for 70+ mph on a like-sized Allison, HydroStream or Laser in the 15-17' range. Hotrodding it is good for another 25 horses (stock, it makes 125-130; modded, in the 150-155 range). That additional power on a fast hull is good for 5 to 7 mph; on your boat, 3 at best.

JT

[Laker]

am I smokin somethin?

Actualy, I was thinking the Vodka and redbull was getting to you.
You have to compair apples to apples...
A 21 foot pulsair running in the 90s with a modern 300hp motor sounds about right. Put 300hp on a performance boat and your talking 120+p+

Put an Antique fishing motor like a 140xflow on an old check mate and run 50s..... 60 if everything is perfect, sounds about right.
Take the same Antique fishing motor and put it on a performance boat and you could pick up 20mph... Apple to apples.. not apples to watermellon.
and dont forget... NOTHING comes easy....:cool:

[Capt.Insane-o]

Never liked those...... think they're ugly and don't look like a Merc


That's the little twin with no cowling??????


Don't remember those


Have my eye on a 402X, would like to have it


Want one of these too, but think too expensive still, gotta' be black


You mean like a KG7Q or KG4Q?


Great idea, hadn't thought of that

Don't forget the 15J! The 10x's are super cute.

[bworner]

Thanks guys, John,Chris, Mark I appreciate you guys reinforcing the whole hull thing....Ill buy a new one.....Mark that pic is killer, dude Ill get you pics of those 2 antique motors at my parents farm....The really old Johnson is a no cowl type,all chrome and weird looking with the original sticker on it, its been sitting in the garage for like 60 years or more....The Green Johnson I think is 50's or 60's Ill get ya pics and info....So I need a small hull???

[FlowMaxx]

Perfect thread to announce you are selling your checkmate. Most of them came with I6's so they're a perfect match. Get a nice light Stream and join the Tour. You will be hooked. Good night.

[Mark75H]

Don't forget the 15J! The 10x's are super cute.


15J? Not sure I recall

[ssmith007]

Well I guess RM will have to break out the Allison/T2X and race JWTjr with his Stream/OMC140. :eek::thumbsup::D

[specboatops]

FlowMaxx is right....
Nothing short of a full house T2X on a potato chip is going to run with this.
And in these passes I was running pump fuel.:cool:
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk213/LakerV4/66AA.jpg

Isn't pump fuel sometimes faster ? :confused: I know at the races they have to all use the same gas isn't it like 110 or something .......was reading on here somewhere that boats could have been faster with pump gas at some of those events.......maybe it had to do with the type of heads they were running.......someone straighten me out please. Would I be faster running 110 in my inlne than 93 ???? ( octane I'm talking before I get a wise answer:smiletest:)

[Raceman]

Isn't pump fuel sometimes faster ? :confused: I know at the races they have to all use the same gas isn't it like 110 or something .......was reading on here somewhere that boats could have been faster with pump gas at some of those events.......maybe it had to do with the type of heads they were running.......someone straighten me out please. Would I be faster running 110 in my inlne than 93 ???? ( octane I'm talking before I get a wise answer:smiletest:)

Excessive octane is almost always a power killer. Use what you need but need what you use.;)

I would guess you'd lose several MPH by puttin' 110 in your inline.

[sspeed66]

I think all you guys with those ugly white motors should start your OWN thread...
This thread ain't for you:confused:

[Raceman]

I think all you guys with those ugly white motors should start your OWN thread...
This thread ain't for you:confused:

I think you meant to say "fat and ugly" instead of just ugly.:D I agree, here's a suggestion for a title: How many of the fat ugly motor guys are here?:D:D:D

(Rex, we ain't talkin' about you. This is for guys with fat ugly motors, not fat ugly guys with motors.:eek:)

[dale robertson]

just asking the question. I think most raced the 150 Merc because it was "the motor to have"; in addition, it had several advantages over the earlier V4 versions. That is to say, the earlier (1973-76) 135 OMCs had a bulkier gearcase, poor power trim system, and not as much power as the 1977 and later 140s (and by then they fixed the trim and gearcase). I remember when I decided to run JP with an OMC I was told it was crazy, that it would never be competitive. I followed the lead of Roger Meekins and Mike Quindazzi, two racers who ran OMCs very successfully at the time (Meekins in JP and Quindazzi in Mod-VP) and found immediately that the 140 was more than competitive with the 150 Merc.
I switched from 135 OMC to the J block 150 because it was the motor to have. The 135 probably wouldn't have made it through a good tech. Trim wasn't a concern because we couldn't run it in FJ back then. The Merc was faster for me on the Allison I had and I really didn't see anybody running any OMC's until I got to the National's in 74. I don't remember any that were close to running up front but I don't really know who won that year either as most of the front runners jumped the gun in the second heat. Mike Quindazzi had a Stream with 150 Mercury on it that year that he ran mostly in FS. The 140's would have probably run just as good as the inline six because of better gearcase and additional power but I never ran one on that boat to compare it so I really don't know. What engine was used on the boat or boats that held the final records for JP or SJ ? I'm not died in the wool OMC or Merc guy. I have put beans on the table and beer in the fridge working on both over the years.
Dale

[Xcelerator]

I just picked up an '84 Merc 115, I just need to find a boat :O)

[specboatops]

Excessive octane is almost always a power killer. Use what you need but need what you use.;)

I would guess you'd lose several MPH by puttin' 110 in your inline.

Thank You for the clarification PHEW...........................When I read that I that I was hearing him say pump gas was onlt used as in if he'd of had better he'd gone faster.

Regardless I LOVE the old inlines and salute them everytime I seem them out representing what good old fashioned hot boating is about. Laker you have a buddy with the Invader and a OMC set up, we are very close geographically..........we need to hook up and run his against mine and see whats up ;):iagree:

[delawarerick]

I think this inline v-4 thing should come to a show down just as soon as they reopen the Miami Marine Stadium here once again the classic white motor known for its superiority and the black motor good for anchor. I have had both and the v-4 pound for pound will out torque an inline. And when run too hard bearings turn blue. I have all the bells on this inline again for what it is and on we will see. Soon as tags are updated all out on the Dave S inline. Hey Dave if you see this start building another one. Rick

[specboatops]

I think this inline v-4 thing should come to a show down just as soon as they reopen the Miami Marine Stadium here once again the classic white motor known for its superiority and the black motor good for anchor. I have had both and the v-4 pound for pound will out torque an inline. And when run too hard bearings turn blue. I have all the bells on this inline again for what it is and on we will see. Soon as tags are updated all out on the Dave S inline. Hey Dave if you see this start building another one. Rick

I always thought the white motors made a better anchor.......................:eek:;)

[Raceman]

When I read that I that I was hearing him say pump gas was onlt used as in if he'd of had better he'd gone faster.



It would depend on his compression.

I've posted this before, but evidently Cam2 had some factory guys that were of the same misconception. When Sea Doo built the first XP Limited, which was 115 horse 2 stroke, and thought of that year as the ultimate hotrod, I had my brand new one at the lake and there was a guy here who said he was a Cam2 rep, and he had a truck with about a dozen drums on it. He was actually here to see a local motorcycle guy who rode internationally. We got into this conversation about gas vs race gas. He said that his 110 would put speed on my SeaDoo and I told him I though it'd slow it down. We radar'd it with my stalker, drained the tank, put the Cam2 in and lost 3 MPH. He wouldn't believe it and so we put the pump premium back in and the speed came back. He had to see it one more time to be convinced it wasn't a fluke, so we put the Cam2 back in again and the speed went back down again. The plus side to running too much octane is that it's a lot better than runnin' too little and burning pistons with detonation. Since I don't want to scatter my motors and don't have any idea what kinda' crap Big Oil is hustlin' at the pump nowdays, and don't have any way to tell, I always splash some race gas in my 2 stroke engines just as a little added insurance. I put about 1/3rd in the inline six's. (1 gallon race gas to 2 gals super unleaded) Probably completely unnecessary, but cheap insurance no more than they get run.

[Dave S]

Race-man I would think thats the best thing you could do to save your motor that was built when they sold 260.:thumbsup: De...Fl Rick...:leaving:

[gstorr]

What a great thread. Just sat here and read the whole thing. I've been playing with I6's off and on since I was 12 and the 1350 was the hot motor. They are still my favorite.

[David]

Great thread. I was a big OMC fan in the early 70's and my memory is that only one boat ran a V4 in the races near Toronto, and not so successfully. By '77 I was at university and had stopped going to boat races. So I missed seeing competitive V4s.

Bworner - a faster boat is far simpler than modifying an engine. I swapped a Virage for an SS2000, same 150 XR4. No regrets, and lots faster.

[jjmalkow]

Just so you all know, that pic of the 25SS hangin on the wall is in FlowMaxxs living room!! What a wall decoration!!! He is blessed to have a Mrs that thought it was a good idea for him to show it off in that way!! There's a Hurricane hangin above it too. SWEET!!!

[raymar]

I used to see lots of Allison & Kennedy boats show up at races with the X115 & Gt115
Johnrudes on them but for some reason they never competed with the Mercs & Chryslers
at any of the races I attended. I also wonder where all of these engines went. Maybe Raceman has them.

[Raceman]

I used to see lots of Allison & Kennedy boats show up at races with the X115 & Gt115
Johnrudes on them but for some reason they never competed with the Mercs & Chryslers
at any of the races I attended. I also wonder where all of these engines went. Maybe Raceman has them.

I've got a pair of X115's, and my neighbor at the lake has a GT115. I guess the Merc BP would have been the engine to compete with them. That was before I got interested in boat racing.............. it was college, girls, and fast cars during that time period............ so I don't know how or if they matched up. In any case they were considered factory race engines, unlike the stock engines that were legal for JP, FJ, & SJ.

[Mark75H]

In 67 and 68 they were legal stock racers

[Laker]

Excessive octane is almost always a power killer. Use what you need but need what you use.;)

I would guess you'd lose several MPH by puttin' 110 in your inline.

OK Let me re-submit this for all the rocket Scientist...

"I was only running pump fuel heads....... ":rolleyes:

[Laker]

Laker you have a buddy with the Invader and a OMC set up, we are very close geographically..........we need to hook up and run his against mine and see whats up ;):iagree:

If you cant outrun him then somthing is wrong... badly wrong with your merc.:cheers:

[Bruster]

I think I've looked most of this thread over and never did see just how fast one has to be to "put the spank on"



Can't touch this V4.
Nothin against I6's as they are cool and have there place. But ain't a I6 lake boat out there that is gonna put the spank on this V4....

[Raceman]

OK Let me re-submit this for all the rocket Scientist...

"I was only running pump fuel heads....... ":rolleyes:

You must've missed this part;):

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It would depend on his compression.

[Laker]

You must've missed this part;):

Nope... I saw it. :D

[specboatops]

If you cant outrun him then somthing is wrong... badly wrong with your merc.:cheers:

O.k. now your being sarcastic;) I know it runs strong I've talked to his Dad on the phone a couple of times( super nice guy) I just figured since were so close we should try hookin up ......................thats all. After hearing all the hoopla on how fast these V-4s are suppose to be I kinda like being the underdog:cheers: as long as we can drink a couple of cold ones at the end of the day sounds like a good time to me..................( Merc spanking OMC party ) :D:D:D

[FlowMaxx]

I think I've looked most of this thread over and never did see just how fast one has to be to "put the spank on"

It better do at least 100. If it doesn't, then save yourself the trip and the embarrasment.

[Mark75H]

I think Bruster was asking a real question

[specboatops]

It better do at least 100. If it doesn't, then save yourself the trip and the embarrasment.

Was wondering where in southern Wis your from ? Thinking we're close too :thumbsup:

[Laker]

O.k. now your being sarcastic;) I know it runs strong I've talked to his Dad on the phone a couple of times( super nice guy) I just figured since were so close we should try hookin up ......................thats all. After hearing all the hoopla on how fast these V-4s are suppose to be I kinda like being the underdog:cheers: as long as we can drink a couple of cold ones at the end of the day sounds like a good time to me..................( Merc spanking OMC party ) :D:D:D

The Bannana boat runs good for what it is....
Today im 25mph faster.. at least:cheers:

[Mark75H]

Compare apples to apples, your motor is not a peer to an inline 6. It is a peer to a V-6 135 or early 175

[Laker]

Oh really... than what is TRexs 2.0 merc a peer of???
Facts are that all I have is 4 cylinders... Not 6
It also depends on what I6 you are talking about...? the T2X Is pretty stout. What is it a Peer of?
As usual... The merc guys are making excuese....:icon_bs:

[Mark75H]

No excuse, you are talking about a motor that is 20% larger than any inline Merc ever made.

[Laker]

My motor started life as a 1985 1.8L 120hp V4…
If you want to go down the Peer roads.. Then the XS1500 short shaft performance engine should not be compared to the 135/140 20inch OMC Fishing engines….
Or the Twister should never be compared to anything other than its Direct competition the Kseries OMCs. Without adding a stroked crank, an xflow V4 can be brought up to 105cid…. Would it be pushed out of comparison under your rules?
If the looper V4s were Peers to the 2.0V6 merc… Then why were they not prepped to run in Champ, 120ss or F2???? The answer is that they are not peers… Period.
Now clamp on a Factory race bred and over hyped T2X (because it’s the ONLY Way you will have a prayer) on any potato chip of your choice and come get your tails spanked.:reddevil:


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk213/LakerV4/100_5400.jpg

[Bruster]

You gonna tell us how fast "we" have to go to spank? Or not? We all know 100 will do it.

[Laker]

100 will do it.. But probably not by the end of next season.
Pull the trailer queens to the shootout so you can find out just how bad an I6 can get beet by a V4:reddevil:

[delawarerick]

Yea now thats an invite:DLaker we need another Rumble. Oh yea again I am running the anchor brand of engine now. They rattle but gonna see how high it will rev same boat I had. Rick

[Laker]

RICK!
Nice to see you turn away from the DARK SIDE.:thumbsup:
Are we still talking about your sidewinder??

[6Killer]

100 MPH V4.............Thats Preposterous!

Six

[FlowMaxx]

Yep, Now we're talkin...


I dunno' about that. 120 looper or not, I'd have to see it run past Crazy Horse's boat to believe it, and THEN we could bring out the heavy artillery.:eek:

So that V6 cowl has a V4 hidin' under it?


This was prior to the back pedaling. First you'll need to beat John Tiger. If you somehow manage :rolleyes: Then..... You get a shot at Laker. Oh, and you will need your heaviest artillary to start with.

[Dave S]

To say this. Merc motors are great..... but the V4 will give them a run or beat them. Mostly beat them if in good condition. Most Mercs are old and getting lazzy as thier other kin.:rolleyes: They have a crazzy piston and head design. No gas will keep them happy so ya gotta turn back the timming.:o Now Lakers motor is clearly a newer design AKA looper and no match for the poor lii mercs. End of story. But Lakers Motor has no equal motor to run with other than a nother 1.8 Looper. Things have to be equal to have a Fair race. Laker Should build a Merc and beat the others Mercs. that would be Fair. Racers allway like an Edge, but make it Fair and things change. Which Motor is better......Non they all have their time and glory. I am a Merc man but I think the X115 is the coolest.:leaving:

[Laker]

Lakers motor is clearly a newer design AKA looper and no match for the poor lii mercs. End of story. But Lakers Motor has no equal motor to run with other than a nother 1.8 Looper. Things have to be equal to have a Fair race.

But everything was OK and Fair when I would show up in the past with a 75mph Stocker...... NOW... Today... 2009... nobody wants to play??:icon_bs: whimps:reddevil:
Soon it will be time to hunt V6s:cool:

[Dave S]

You have just progressed out of our class. Time to hunt bigger dogs.:thumbsup: Anyway this was a L6 merc thread. I got a yard full of them, Know lots about them, How to make em BLOW up, Cut em till they bleed.;) Some day if I ever get a wild hair I might get round to building some.:D

[sspeed66]

But everything was OK and Fair when I would show up in the past with a 75mph Stocker...... NOW... Today... 2009... nobody wants to play??:icon_bs: whimps:reddevil:
Soon it will be time to hunt V6s:cool:
You THE MAN, on this Merc Inline 6 thread, blah, blah, blah !:leaving:

[specboatops]

The Bannana boat runs good for what it is....
Today im 25mph faster.. at least:cheers:

................Well then thats faster than anything I got:cheers: I'd still like to hook up in the summer:cheers::cheers: I really don't care whats on the back as long as it runs good/fast. Isn't Ripper ( Scott I think his name is) somewhere up around there? I havn't seen him on here in a LOOOOONG time.

[largecar91]

I would say a T2 on a similar boat would be very close in speeds to your hi-po V4. It sounds like you have a very nice running motor and have it set up well but you are comparing apples to oranges here. Take a T2 or T2X on a tunnel and all you will see is the back of a black motor! Now a tunnel versus a V bottom is not really a fair comparison but neither is a modified looper with 20+ cubic inches more. I have several T2's and T2X's but they are getting to the point of being non replaceable so I won't lean on them to see what the top speed is. After all these are 35+ year old engines.

[ssmith007]

Let's see 35 yr old motor, with 35 yr old technology, that came out of a factory vs a motor modded with todays' technology with more ci's. Is that a fair comparison? IMO it's not. I guess everyone has an opinion. Just some confuse opinion with fact. I guess i'm guilty of that from time to time. Maybe most of us are. :rolleyes: :thumbsup: Kindest Regards. Smitty

[specboatops]

Guy's,

I think Laker is just having a little fun here busting our balls ( like non of us have ever done that:eek::eek:)

Kudos to what he's accomplished...........:thumbsup:

Anyone that takes something and makes it better/faster :cheers::cheers:

Someone out there with a black motor will make him eat his words sooner or later;);):smiletest:

Chris

[Laker]

................Well then thats faster than anything I got:cheers: I'd still like to hook up in the summer:cheers::cheers: I really don't care whats on the back as long as it runs good/fast. Isn't Ripper ( Scott I think his name is) somewhere up around there? I havn't seen him on here in a LOOOOONG time.

Absolutely! Give me a call anytime (4146984270) so we can hook up and get you on the power tours Guest list!
I love seeing unique boats and it will be great to have a tower of power out running around. We just dont see them anymore. Pretty rare really.

How about putting my 24 year old power head on a tunnel boat and seeing how fast it is?.... Apples to ICBM?

[Laker]

Guy's,

I think Laker is just having a little fun here busting our balls ( like non of us have ever done that:eek::eek:)

LMAO! :iagree:You bet! Years of abuse for choosing to build V4s is paying off.:p


Someone out there with a black motor will make him eat his words sooner or later;);):smiletest:
Chris

Ya but its not going to be an I6:D:cool:

[Dave S]

I will take the bait..... got nodding better to do....will take any challenge but in my neck of the woods. I will pay $1500 in cash any OMC to beat my boat with 99 cid a L6.... Must Be under 1.8 or 99 CID. We like a race. Or too race. Dave S.

[specboatops]

I will take the bait..... got nodding better to do....will take any challenge but in my neck of the woods. I will pay $1500 in cash any OMC to beat my boat with 99 cid a L6.... Must Be under 1.8 or 99 CID. We like a race. Or too race. Dave S.

SWEEEEET Dave stepping up for us inline guys:cheers::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Whatcha running Dave ?

[6Killer]

I will take the bait..... got nodding better to do....will take any challenge but in my neck of the woods. I will pay $1500 in cash any OMC to beat my boat with 99 cid a L6.... Must Be under 1.8 or 99 CID. We like a race. Or too race. Dave S.

Man I am all over that.

Give me a couple of months to put a small bore together.

How far do I gotta drive?

Six

[Laker]

Man I am all over that.

Give me a couple of months to put a small bore together.

How far do I gotta drive?

Six

I will bring the pit crew and the chase boats!:D

[Dave S]

Virginia's East coast. 50 miles south of Ocean City. Late spring or summer will be fine.:) All commers will add $50 to the pot. To make it funnnn.:D I know of a good spot to runnnnn. No noise problems here. I will put a boat together.:thumbsup:

[Capt.Insane-o]

No noise problems here. I will put a boat together.:thumbsup:

hmm......

[Laker]

Virginia's East coast. 50 miles south of Ocean City. Late spring or summer will be fine.:) All commers will add $50 to the pot. To make it funnnn.:D I know of a good spot to runnnnn. No noise problems here. I will put a boat together.:thumbsup:

How about we put pics of the boats up for everyone to see?:D

[delawarerick]

Yall better bring something fast Dave is good with black motors. 99 ci means v-4 crossflow right? I running a Dave S inline as soon as tags come will see what king of rpms I can run. Dont doubt Dave and be ready to eat and drink some fine food. His wife cooks:DI will be there for this one. Rick

[KG4]

This is getting good:cheers:

[mragu]

Now that all the inline 6 guys are in one place, Lets have a quiz. ( I am really just looking for the answers
Last year of the inline6?
Sizes of the last year, just 90 and 115 or did they make bigger?
What year did the stop making a 150HP
Up to what year did they make the 140HP
What year did they stop using the distributor motors?
What year did they stop making the 15" mid?

My money is on Norris?

[Capt.Insane-o]

last year 1988
last year size 115.. they already had the turd 90 3cyl
1977 last year of the 150 150xs went to 1978 (pretty sure)
140's last year was 82
1978 was the last of the distributors
1978 should have been the last of the 15's xs's

[Raceman]

last year 1988
last year size 115.. they already had the turd 90 3cyl
1977 last year of the 150 150xs went to 1978 (pretty sure)
140's last year was 82
1978 was the last of the distributors
1978 should have been the last of the 15's xs's

Far as I know all that's right. I lost interest after '78, so didn't know what year was the last OR the last year of the 140. Only thing I can add to Capn's list is that the 15" mid did go away with the XS in '78.

[gregpro50]

The 140 turned into the newer 115 so it was never really a 140 anyway. '82 was the changeover from crank to propshaft HP ratings. The 115 became the 90.

I love it that a newb started a never-ending thread about this.

[Raceman]

The 140 turned into the newer 115 so it was never really a 140 anyway. '82 was the changeover from crank to propshaft HP ratings. The 115 became the 90.



I'm not followin' what you're sayin' here, since what WOULD HAVE BEEN the '78 150 was downrated to 140 ONLY because Merc didn't want to have an inline and a V6 in the line, both rated at 150HP at the same time.:confused:

[oldskier]

This is getting good:cheers:


:iagree:Yup! Think we can keep this post alive until everybody can get boats and motors built and actually DO it? Shoot, I'd come and put my $50 in the pot just to SEE it.

[FlowMaxx]

Man I am all over that.

Give me a couple of months to put a small bore together.

How far do I gotta drive?

Six

So Six.... How are you going to spend the money? :D:D:D

[6Killer]

I only read 99 cid...........but lets keep it fair.

We have to have a few ground rules.............. these are what I propose.

Must be a lake boat (no kneel down stuff)
No Quincy or looper stuff, must be deflector motors
No Chemicals (alcohol nitro or any additives) race gas only
Anything else goes, Fuel injection, different ignitions, different carbs, etc.

You still game?

Six

[specboatops]

I am in .....................I will and would trailer my boat to meet all you folks for some good fun. It sounds like it could be a blast !!

AGREED LETS KEEP THIS GOING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup::cool:

[largecar91]

Sounds like Super Strangler vs. Twister!! Cool! :thumbsup:

[JWTjr.]

So Twisters (all kinds) and Stranglers/STinger GPs (all kinds) are "legal" for this throw-down? Is a full tunnel out?

I am asking because I have one of each very close to completion...a "stock" V4 (fishing gearcase, etc.) on a 15' Allison, and an original Super Strangler on a Seebold tunnel. Not so sure I'm into winding the Strangler out to whatever it can do, but I'm game with the Allison.

If Oaken & Gohr show up with Just Right (Hunt's old decked over NOA record-setting 16' Allison, 96+ mph) it's gonna be tough!

JT

[6Killer]

So Twisters (all kinds) and Stranglers/STinger GPs (all kinds) are "legal" for this throw-down? Is a full tunnel out?

I am asking because I have one of each very close to completion...a "stock" V4 (fishing gearcase, etc.) on a 15' Allison, and an original Super Strangler on a Seebold tunnel. Not so sure I'm into winding the Strangler out to whatever it can do, but I'm game with the Allison.

If Oaken & Gohr show up with Just Right (Hunt's old decked over NOA record-setting 16' Allison, 96+ mph) it's gonna be tough!

JT

What ever blows your skirt up. Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean it can't be bested.

Six

[oldskier]

So Twisters (all kinds) and Stranglers/STinger GPs (all kinds) are "legal" for this throw-down? Is a full tunnel out?

I am asking because I have one of each very close to completion...a "stock" V4 (fishing gearcase, etc.) on a 15' Allison, and an original Super Strangler on a Seebold tunnel. Not so sure I'm into winding the Strangler out to whatever it can do, but I'm game with the Allison.

JT


JWT, Don't have to wind the SuperStrangler to whatever it can do...just enough to beat the Merc....:D

[specboatops]

JWT, Don't have to wind the SuperStrangler to whatever it can do...just enough to beat the Merc....:D

......A$$ Kisser :eek::eek:;)

[gregpro50]

I'm not followin' what you're sayin' here, since what WOULD HAVE BEEN the '78 150 was downrated to 140 ONLY because Merc didn't want to have an inline and a V6 in the line, both rated at 150HP at the same time.:confused:

I'm not sure on the facts for the older 150's but for the ADI ignition there was a "low output" inline 6 and a "high output" inline 6.

Basically the 79-82 115hp is the same as the 82-88 90hp

The 79-82 140hp is the same as the 82-88 115hp.

I'd like to get more info on the older ones though.

[delawarerick]

Raceman dig up the 15 allison with 150xs you merk got ya hands full with the v-4 if its short course inlines still want to rev this one Dave S built kind of sounds like a weed wacker. Sort of squeels:DRick

[Dave S]

To say I just want Ya all to come have fun. And let the fastest man win. I got a kick out of 6 killers rules. He nixed kneel downs and loopers.:( That is discriminated against Sam Cullis and laker.:eek: I don't want to limit any thing other that 1.8 displacement. Hulls are up to you guys. Safety is the only limit. I will put a 125 BP stacker on a small glass tunnel for De rick to drive. I will get Mk 75 H to run my 13 foot Desilva with a V4 90 cid. 20 percent overdrive gearcase coffin. But he can't kneel down in it.:confused: So he must lay down.:nonod: But then he can't see.:eek: I will run the grill. Let me know if your intrested in a neat time out.:D

[Mark75H]

Can we put the V-4 on my ModVP style DeSilva instead? ... it will be easier to sit in and it would actually float. The V-4 on MY DeSilva would be an easy 100 and I'd live to collect ... I wouldn't want to let Leeann drive the RV home even if I was dead.:reddevil::reddevil::reddevil: You never ran the grill when I came down, you just let the mosquitos eat us.

pssst: 99ci is 1.6, not 1.8

[Dave S]

I set the limit at 1.8 so Laker can beat the old Mercs.;) I will grill the Mosqueaters to your likeing.:rolleyes:

[Laker]

I set the limit at 1.8 so Laker can beat the old Mercs.;) I will grill the Mosqueaters to your likeing.:rolleyes:

Mine "Started" life as a 1.8L............................:D

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk213/LakerV4/S5035236.jpg

[specboatops]

I set the limit at 1.8 so Laker can beat the old Mercs.;) I will grill the Mosqueaters to your likeing.:rolleyes:

yA GOT SOME BARBAQUE SAUCE FOR THE SKEETERS ;) medium rare please............:cheers:

[Dave S]

To say..... I am going to De Bore lakers motor so he can fit in the Cid rules.:rolleyes:

[David]

How fast were the stock inline 6 Merc and V4 OMC on 15' V bottom race boats, 80 mph?

How fast did John Tiger drive the 115 V4 Allison SS2000, 80 mph?

I know that the V4 on the SS2000 was a 2L, but 115 +/-10% maxes out at 126.5 HP. More torque from 120 cubes vs 99 cube, but more HP too?

150 crankshaft HP was less than 126 propshaft?
140 crankshaft HP was less than 126 propshaft?
A 20' SS2000 is as fast as the old 15' race boats with less power?

[FlowMaxx]

don't think the 115 was a 2L. It was a 60 degree v4 I think?

[jjmalkow]

John Tiger ran a V-4 Ficht on the Allison, not a 2.0 looper. If I remember correctly. I think a pic is on the Allison website. Pretty sure the 60degree was 105 cubes.

[Dave S]

A 15 foot feather VS a 20 foot feather. The 20 footer has more lift. The 15 has less blow over at the limit.

[mk30h]

Since this thread is about I6 mercs, and a few OMC lads want to put a looper V4 against the 99.ci merc, why not turn the tables in the fairness of this logic and put any V4 up againts the current 1.58 cu Merc I6's on identical 26ft boats.
:)
seems just as fair as running a looper 120 cu v4 against a 99 cu crossflow.

[Laker]

seems just as fair as running a looper 120 cu v4 against a 99 cu crossflow.

Suddenly every LooperV4 is powerfull and fast???

Looper V4 owners unite!....... Oh wait.... their is only a hand full of us...:icon_bs:;)

[Dave S]

Fairness, Change and Hope....... Should make my boat go soooooo fast.;) This is why there are classes and rule books. Laker falls in to a different class but came to this thread and I say wellcome friend with V4 motor.:thumbsup:

[mk30h]

Or for something a little fairer- how about a stock 1958 Merc I6 ie no 75h vs a 1958 OMC V4. And a single 5 gallon tank of gas:eek:

[Laker]

I say wellcome friend with V4 motor.:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

[Dave S]

Have that title Mr President of the Dammmm Foools Club.:cheers: We run on wssiskey.

[raymar]

Dave, We in Western Ky. call that stuff "driving fluid" because of the help it gives your boat to go faster!! (maybe to the river bottom)

[crazy horse]

With this being a inline thread I thought I'd post this. Any of you guys have one of these hangin on your wall? I've had this for years, It came from a marina in Fenton that was being sold. I got it before it ever got nailed to the building. I had a line on a earlier short shaft one but it had been in the sun for too many years. To bad.:nonod:

[gstorr]

Yup, got one of those and a also one of a 7.5. They are very cool, but my wife don't think it looks so good in the living room.:)

[delawarerick]

Ran the Dave S inline today saw 6600 with a 22 small ear 2 in the boat. Its got more but set up and gonna try a big ear. Dont have low water p/u so im limited to how high I can take the engine. Had good water pressure and top 3 holes are filled so another inch I think ive used that one before. Reporting live from Biscayne Bay temp 75+ no wake but boats. Rick:cheers:

[Image 21]

if you guys ever need parts a buddy has a good collection of 1-6 motors and some are top notch if you need his # just pm me i`ll give it to ya got to love the sound of the tower of power,had a 115 on my first chekmate.

[bearclaw]

Still got mine :

[specboatops]

Still got mine :

WOW what a beautiful boat :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[gregpro50]

Thats beautiful and the motor just looks right sitting on there.

[delawarerick]

Grecpro now too shabby on the glastron in fact pristine:thumbsup:Rick

[BigJohnson]

Not sure if I replied in this thread yet. My son has a 1988 115 mariner. It's on a Checkmate Predictor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzVzXGsixk

[Stoker1]

Not sure if I replied in this thread yet. My son has a 1988 115 mariner. It's on a Checkmate Predictor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzVzXGsixk


Great vid. :thumbsup: Ask him to post some good profile pictures of the Mariner. Man, I'd love to add some quality to my collection.
.

[BigJohnson]

Great vid. :thumbsup: Ask him to post some good profile pictures of the Mariner. Man, I'd love to add some quality to my collection.
.

Thanks. I like the Go Pro camera. Have to be a boater to like my vids. The Mariner has an ugly gearcase but here is the top half.

[bearclaw]

Do you have any of the rest of the boat? I've had 3 Checkmates, great boats, they'll always have a place in my heart...

[Fastcheckmate175]

I have a 115 and a 140....both run and are 4sale!!! The 115 needs a lower unit a power pack!!

[BigJohnson]

Do you have any of the rest of the boat? I've had 3 Checkmates, great boats, they'll always have a place in my heart...

More pics and videos, lol. I didn't notice all the crap in the bow before haha.

[texassix]

Just got a 1964 850 that has been sitting up & running. When i get it on a boat that will float I;ll let you old gear heads know more!

[dangerou1944]

Hey Norris I'll run them yankees. 15' allison 150 xs or 2 lt 150 We can run at norris place at sinclair. Now get-r-done.

[sho305]

How did I miss this thread. My '73 is in storage until I have time to ready a good hull for it, and it needs freshening. I should fire it up they sound nice in the yard and get rid of every bug, lol.

[texassix]

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[delawarerick]

Beat you up nice rig plenty of room for a cooler tube and just plain fun:thumbsup:Rick

[Bies]

59'Mark 78's, and 75's

[CHICKENHAWK]

1982 Mariner 115ELPT

[BigJohnson]

Anyone have any inline props they want to get rid of? 19 or 20 pitch. 20 chopper would be great. Can't seem to find one now.

[KG4]

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Looks like a fun boat.