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mragu

12-28-2008, 12:11 AM

Who can start this thread. A company or product that is truly Made in USA.
I would like to start a list of these companies, whoever can add to this feel free to and I promise that I will do my part to spread the word to people.
Gasoline-
Clothing
Auto Parts
Auto Manufacturer
etc.

INXS

12-28-2008, 12:42 AM

Damm, that's a good one!:thumbsup:

I know my wood burning stove is made here, do to the shipping costs as it's heavy!

Here in NJ 90+% of all production has moved out due to state corp. taxes, now 20% on all mfg. goods produced here. Our Governor just bragged that they just ended appling that tax to all companies with corperate headquaters located here but with mfg. units in states that did not charge the tax. That means that if you corp headquaters were here and you mfg in say Teaxs and they had little or no state corp. taxes that you would still have to pay NJ up to 20% tax on all mterial made in that state!
Is this sick or what?? This was going on for yrs and only now is NJ seeing that it's costing them jobs! They can't even keep jobs in what should be one of the best bussiness climates in the country! oh. they did increase the public sector jobs by about 30% the last four or so yrs!

NNT

12-28-2008, 03:10 AM

Everyone needs to draw a personal line as to what "buy American" means to them. For me it's important the bulk of profits stay here, so I try to put my money into businesses that do this as much as they can. Our economy has been so screwed up by foreign importers that it is almost impossible to do business with a 100% American owned, run, and built company. We have let them infiltrate our economy and ingrain themselves too much in our culture at this point. I'm afraid we're doomed, but we did it to ourselves.

SUPAJAY

12-28-2008, 03:13 AM

Its never too late!! Hopefully after the auto makers get their $hit together with the unions and prosper again :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

GDM

12-28-2008, 04:58 AM

We have let them infiltrate our economy and ingrain themselves too much in our culture at this point. I'm afraid we're doomed,

dude , we totally disagre on the ufc stuff but on this topic i agree with you 100 %

i think we should totally change the way we let products into this country

i think we need a ten year plan to ween ourselves off of foreign products

why cant we make cars , electronics , clothes and everything else we need right here in the usa ?

im a little drunk right now so i cant put it into words too well , but i think i got my point across a little bit :)

.

Forkin' Crazy

12-28-2008, 06:27 AM

afr

12-28-2008, 06:43 AM

transomstand

12-28-2008, 08:18 AM

This might help narrow it some, but everyone has a different definition.

http://www.madeinusa.com/cgi-bin/categories.cgi?sa=31&ea=41

mr_velocity

12-28-2008, 09:20 AM

For me it's important the bulk of profits stay here, so I try to put my money into businesses that do this as much as they can.

What does this mean? If you take 2 companies, one foreign headquartered one US headqourtered, both public neither pays dividends so profit does not go to share holders or private owners. Now the foreign company builds manufacturing facilities in the US which will not only employ manufacturing people but also supports the construction industry and the local economies. The US based company builds products offshore so they are also constructing manufacturing facilities in those other countries supporting the local economies. Where are the profits going? Which company is better for the US?

SnakeBit

12-28-2008, 09:44 AM

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6Killer

12-28-2008, 11:20 AM

I like your list, thanks!

As far as shoes, they missed this one. Comfortable, made in the USA and last a loooong time. I been buying them for years.

http://www.sasshoes.com/

GDM

12-28-2008, 11:59 AM

.

look here
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=product+made+in+america&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

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GDM

12-28-2008, 12:02 PM

http://www.pbrennan.net/images/USAPinMadeInChina.jpg

MODXR6

12-28-2008, 01:02 PM

I believe that trade is good. It is the imbalance of trade that is bad.

I just bought some aluminum teflon coated pans made by Bakers and Chefs that are made in the US. Although the aluminum or bauxite is imported. ;)

Very true Paul.
Great majority of components we use are American made, but some are simply not available or they are quite inferior to the foreign made. The systems are designed & built here. Approx. 70% to 80% are shipped overseas so we are doing our part in trying to balance that trade.
Then at the same time we have seen a huge influx of domestic drilling contractors buying cheap chit control systems built in china & imported here. They have a big sales network here but 0 (non existent) service & parts network, i.e. forget any waranty. They are counting on domestic companies servicing their junk, which the majority won't, but that doesn't stop them from buying junk with no available parts.

This is what we do:
http://www.cadoil.com

mragu

12-28-2008, 02:02 PM

Snake, Thanks for the link. I have over 200 addresses in my email. I am going to send the link out to all of them. If only half the 40,000 S&F members do this that is thats 4 million people. That is a "pyramid scheme" I am proud to be a part of.:smiletest:

Mark75H

12-28-2008, 08:00 PM

Virtually all central HVAC equipment sold in the US is made in the US except for the obvious Hitachi and Mitsubishi split system stuff and a few rebrands of them.

Window shakers on the other hand are hit and miss and often have the major parts made in Brazil or China even if it was assembled in the US.

Mark Poole ModVP

12-28-2008, 09:14 PM

HVAC has indeed been USA made but that is changing too. Rheem Manufacturing, their AC units and furnaces are in homes all over the country, in business for like 30 years in central Ga. Now they are moving out, going to Mexico. Place employed about 1200 people.

Someone that I raced against years ago moved to Asia. He is over there on a 2 million dollar contract.....to show them how to mass produce condenser coils. They are willing to pay our people for their knowledge then sell it back to us for huge profits.

I have no doubt that in the 70's someone that was retired from Mercury or OMC went to Japan and helped them gear up for outboard production. Probably made himself a a ton of money.

kuczman

12-28-2008, 09:30 PM

A guy I know, here in Illinois, inspects metal parts made in Mexico. A woman in another room applies "Made in USA" stickers to them.

DOORSHOT

12-29-2008, 12:57 AM

kuczman

12-29-2008, 01:08 AM

Thus the disclosure is full. Deal is legitt.

Forkin' Crazy

12-29-2008, 11:26 AM

I was just reading this post and went to the fridge to get some apple juice and read the little dot matrix printing on the plastic bottle and was floored...I live in washington state which is home to apples!!! I actually said to my wife "are you fuc**ng kidding me?!!" I hope the pics come in ok it says concentrate from usa/china!!!!

WTF? I wonder when they will be doing that with FL orange juice???? :mad:

You really have to watch what you buy in the grocery store. Especially seafood. Most of it comes from over seas.

Hydrophobic guy

12-29-2008, 06:16 PM

Especially seafood. Most of it comes from over seas.

As for seafood,
Anybody who like's Maine lobster buy some its cheap now and the boy's who fish it are goin down the chute quick.
We don't need the stinkin Chinese to come over and start doin that too. :nonod:

Miss Isle

12-29-2008, 08:10 PM

mr_velocity

12-29-2008, 08:50 PM

this trade deficit could be solved immediately with a pres that has brass balls. All he has to do is create an executive order that simply states. "products imported to the United States shall be subject to the exact tarriff's that U.S. exports are imposed in the originating country."

Watch those countries that are playing "protectionism" with no accountability change thier policy overnight!!!

Actaully watch the middle class drop to poverty as they won't be able to afford products.

I saw this a while ago and thought it was an interesting take, one I happen to agree with. Unfortunately many will just way it was written by a rich evil banker.

Lack of US domestic saving cause of trade deficit

China is the latest scapegoat for all that ails the American middle class. At least, that is certainly the conclusion that can be drawn from spending any time these days in Washington.

Unfortunately, the US body politic has long had a penchant for such "scapegoatism" when it comes to trade policy. Remember the Japan bashing of the late 1980s? And of course, just three years ago there was an outcry of concern over India as the lightning rod of the new threat of white-collar offshoring.

The politics of congressional-led China bashing fit into this inflammatory climate all too neatly.

There are three leading anti-China approaches currently under consideration by the US Congress - two very similar efforts in the Senate and a somewhat different approach in the House.

At present, it appears that Congress has deferred immediate consideration of these initiatives, although the two Senate versions have both been cleared by overwhelming bi-partisan "mark-ups" in both the finance and banking committees.

The probability of passage by veto-proof margins - either in the next two months or early next year - remains over 60 percent, in my view. It is difficult to say which version will prevail in the end, or what type of hybrid might emerge from a conference committee.

But it is important to lay bare the assumptions embodied in Congress's penchant for China bashing in order to understand where this approach is coming from and what unintended consequences it may well trigger.

First and foremost, the debate is grounded in very legitimate concerns over the increased economic insecurity of middle-class American workers. Real wage stagnation is at the top of the list.

In the second quarter of this year, inflation-adjusted median weekly earnings for full-time US workers were unchanged from levels prevailing seven years ago in the second quarter of 2000.

Yet over that same period, productivity in the non-farm business sector recorded a cumulative 18 percent increase. Contrary to one of the basic axioms of economics, American workers have not been paid their just reward as measured by their productivity contribution.

As voters, workers are holding their elected representatives accountable for this extraordinary macro disconnect. And politicians are scrambling to come up with both reasons and solutions.

At the top of the political answer column is trade and globalization. Congress is presuming that America's record foreign trade gap - namely an $838 billion deficit on merchandise trade in 2006 - has been a decisive factor in squeezing both jobs and real wages of middle-class American workers.

America's bilateral trade deficit with China accounts for, by far, the largest slice of the overall imbalance - 28 percent of the total US merchandise trade deficit in 2006 and about 31 percent of the cumulative shortfall in the first eight months of this year. However, just count up the countries in deficit with the US in 2006, and you will come up with a list of at least 40 of them.

Yes, China has the biggest of America's bilateral trade deficits. But in fact the congressional math of the blame game is fatally flawed. Stripping out the China gap still leaves a US trade deficit of over $600 billion in 2006 - a number nearly three times as large as the shortfall with China. So assume for the moment that Congress "fixes" the Chinese piece of the US trade deficit - a dubious assumption.

It follows that the so-called currency fix now being contemplated by the US Congress is equally preposterous - presuming that pressure on a bilateral cross rate will solve a multilateral deficit. All that will do will be to send a relative price signal that will shift the mix of the deficit elsewhere - and most likely to a higher-cost producer.

That is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And, of course, it is also the functional equivalent of a tax hike on middle-class America - the aggrieved victim in all this.

The multilateral characteristics of the US trade deficit are the smoking gun to this problem. And it is painfully clear what the root cause is an extraordinary lack of US domestic saving. America's net national saving rate - the combined saving of individuals, businesses, and governmental units adjusted for depreciation - averaged a mere 1.5 percent of national income over the five years ending in 2006.

That is the lowest national saving rate for a five-year period in modern US history and apparently the lowest saving rate for the hegemonic power in world history. Lacking in domestic saving, the US must then import surplus saving in order to grow and run massive current account and trade deficit in order to attract the capital.

Of course, in Washington, it has long been easy to duck the facts and weave a good yarn. China bashing, I am afraid, is largely a by-product of that predilection. But it is actually far worse than that. Who is really to blame for inadequate saving - the root cause of the US trade deficit?

Washington is at the top of that list, in my opinion, with its penchant for budget deficits, consumption incentives, and an asset-based saving mindset that has been underwritten by the Federal Reserve.

China bashing is also emblematic of a deeper problem that grips the US body politic - an unwillingness to embark on the heavy lifting of education reform and other investments in human capital that are required to equip American workers to compete and prosper in a brave new world.

Instead of investing in a hard-pressed work force, Washington apparently believes in shielding US workers from low-wage talent pools in the developing world. The doubling of the world's labor supply that has occurred in the past two decades has evoked a response of fear and protectionism.

Sadly, that puts America at grave risk of becoming more insular and inward looking. Yet over the long sweep of US economic history, our workers have actually done best when they are pushed to their limits by a risk-taking, entrepreneurial, and innovative society.

By blaming others for our own shortcomings - especially on the saving and human capital fronts - America runs the very real risk of losing its most special edge of all, an indomitable economic spirit. By shirking its responsibility for putting US saving policy on a sound path, Congress is, instead, now veering toward the slippery slope of protectionism.

Finally, just a word about China, where I spend an awful lot of my time these days. China is a living miracle of economic development. The world has never seen anything like the transformation of the Chinese economy that has occurred over the past 15 years. This extraordinary development trajectory is based primarily on a steadfast commitment to market-based reforms - something that Washington as the bastion of capitalism should applaud, not criticize.

But China also has a new strength - one that takes a page right out of our own experience in the US. Dynamic private companies are now springing up all over China; of the 16 new Chinese companies that Morgan Stanley has brought public so far this year, 15 of them are private.

For China, the newfound spirit of its privately employed workers and businesspeople is contagious and very reminiscent of that which has long been central to the American dream. Yes, like any economy, China has its share of problems and risks, many of which have been emphasized. Structural imbalances, environmental degradation, and income disparities are all openly debated in China these days.

Currency policy has long been a topic of discussion in official Chinese policy circles as well. But, despite its remarkable progress, China is still a very poor country with many other important things on its plate. Therein lies a critical difference between the two perspectives: Washington's penchant for the quick fix singles out the Chinese currency as a lightening rod in the great middle class globalization debate.

China, by contrast, views the currency issue not as an end in itself but as one of many pieces in the broad mosaic of financial reforms. That leads to a completely different perspective from both sides that has now boiled over in the form of trade frictions.

Ironically, in contrast to American intransigence on the saving issue and the multilateral trade deficit it has spawned, China is making important progress in relieving this source of tension.

As China puts its financial system increasingly on a market-based footing, its leaders have given every indication the currency regime will follow. The shift to a managed float in July 2005 was an important first step in that direction.

At the same time, China is taking dead aim on the imperatives of a consumer-led growth dynamic - a very different economic structure that will boost imports and thereby reduce its destabilizing trade surplus. For China, the timing and sequencing of these moves are being considered with due deliberation, but mainly with an eye toward keeping its embryonic financial system stable.

There are clear risks in this approach - excess liquidity and asset bubbles are most obvious in this regard. But these are China's risks to accept and manage rather than our place to dictate the terms of engagement. China's pace may not fit America's political imperatives, but whose fault is that?

Globalization is full of opportunity and challenge, as well as fear and risk. But in the end, globalization is nothing more than trust-trust in economic partners to act out of collective interests in making the world a better and more prosperous place. I fear that a China-bashing US Congress has lost sight of this noble objective at great peril.

The author is chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia

mr_velocity

12-29-2008, 09:01 PM

Another interesting view that takes aim at energy.

Viewpoint -- Free Trade Foes Take Aim at Wrong Target
Constraints on domestic energy production, not free trade agreements, are the root cause of the U.S. trade deficit.

By John Engler, President and CEO, National Association of Manufacturers
July 22, 2008 -- Today's competitive political climate, compounded by an economic slowdown, has distilled a toxic cocktail for proponents of free trade. Regrettably, free trade agreements (FTAs), which have been negotiated by administrations of both political parties, are in the crosshairs of those who regard increased commerce as a threat to jobs and economic growth.

The arguments against FTAs carry a political punch because of their simplicity, and on the surface they appear to have some merit. During the current economic expansion, our country entered into FTAs with 10 countries. At the same time, our trade deficit grew from $424 billion in 2002 to $708 billion in 2007, a 67% increase in just five years. If the aim of FTAs is to open foreign markets for U.S. producers and encourage export growth, these trade deficits suggest a failed trade policy.

But this argument fails to distinguish between trade with our FTA partners and trade with the rest of the world. The fact is, FTAs are enabling American manufacturers to more effectively compete in markets abroad. The manufacturing trade deficit with our FTA partners has narrowed from $41 billion in 2002 to less than $27 billion in 2007, and has switched to an outright surplus of half a billion dollars through the first five months of 2008.

It is not our country's trade policies, but energy imports that are the primary cause of the rising trade deficit. Simply put, our country does not produce enough energy to meet the demands of our economy. As a result, the United States has become increasingly dependent on foreign sources of energy.

Since the first quarter of 2002, 93% of the increase in the trade deficit has been in petroleum products. At the beginning of the current economic expansion, less than one-fifth of our country's trade deficit was in petroleum products. By the first quarter of 2008, petroleum products accounted for more than half (55%) of the deficit. If you factor out petroleum, the U.S. trade deficit has narrowed by 44% since the end of 2004 as a share of GDP and now stands at its lowest level since 1999. This improvement has come from a more competitive dollar, solid economic growth abroad and better access to markets through FTAs.

Those who assail our country's trade policies as the cause of our widening trade deficit are taking aim at the wrong target. It is not free trade agreements, but constraints on domestic energy production that are the root cause.

There are two useful steps policymakers can take to help lower the U.S. trade deficit. First, there are currently three negotiated FTAs awaiting action on Capital Hill (Colombia, Korea and Panama). Passing these agreements will lower tariff barriers faced by U.S. manufacturers, expand exports and create good paying jobs for working Americans. Congress should approve these agreements this year.

Second, a comprehensive national energy policy is needed to increase domestic energy exploration and development as well as enhance energy efficiency and conservation. Inaction on these fronts will reduce U.S. export opportunities, increase our country's reliance on foreign sources of energy and widen the trade deficit.

The political season lends itself to sound bites and simplicity, unfortunately targeted too much this year on real contributors to our economic growth -- free trade agreements. In the interest of accuracy and action, candidates and politicians should focus their attention elsewhere. Those who devote themselves to blaming free trade agreements for America's woes should instead dedicate more of their energies to, well, energy.

Miss Isle

12-29-2008, 09:07 PM

mr_velocity

12-29-2008, 09:14 PM

Holly Crap Mr. Velocity,

I'm waayy too incoxitated to comprehend what you've managed to type in such a short amount of time. I'll have to loo at this closer tomorrow.

All I know is that I recently spoke to a Dell employee in India about my computer. While we were waiting for it to do it's thing, we got to talking about the weather and other crap. The subject of Harley Davidson's came up. He said that he would love to have one except they were too expensive in India. The final consumer price of a new Harley in India is exactly three times more than the sticker price in America. The reason given was that the Indian Govt. imposes the exorbanant tarriff to promote Indian's to purchase Indian made products. Even though their outsourcing incredible amounts of "Phone Bank Tech Jobs" at cutthroat rates.

Doesn't seem like "Fair Trade" To me. I can only imagine what other "negative trade negociations" that our politicians have allowed to become commmon that we, as the world's economic savior, has had to just absorb. I feel that Harley Davidson has had "Treasonist Acts" performed against them regarding our govt's. "Fair trade" acts.

Incidentally, I just purchased a new Dell laptop for christmas. Do you know that Dell offeres a Guaranteed "American English speaking" technical service "Within two minutes of calling" for " A premium service increase".

What a load of KRAP!!!!

Did he also tell you that he's part of the upper class making $7 an hour? No way he's going to be able to afford one anyway.

Import duty on Harley is 60%, they scrapped plans to export to India due to this high rate.

While we're on bikes, this the media did not bring up lately, least I didn't hear it. It was reported on Dec 14 of this year.

US is considering imposition of a 100% customs import duty on motorcycles imported from Europe in retaliation to EU’s ban on US beef products derived from growth hormone treated cattle.

This regulation if implemented will severely impact sales of European giants including KTM, Husqvarna, BMW, Aprilia and many more. Ducati, MV Agusta and other manufacturers with high capacity bikes are not expected to be affected by this tariff which is expected to be applied to bikes from 50cc-500cc capacity.

American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) is in uproar over the proposal and is expected to take up this issue with the US government since this duty can severely affect off-road motorcycle sales.

“There is no logical link between European motorcycles and the dispute over beef,” says Ed Moreland, AMA vice president for government relations, in his comments submitted to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative. “Imposing these stiff tariffs on motorcycles would do nothing to resolve the trade dispute, but would punish American buyers of European motorcycles.”

“A 100 percent ad valorem, or higher, tariff on these motorcycles will cause serious and potentially irreversible harm to American small- and medium-sized business owners selling the vehicles. Additionally, citizens will be denied access to certain models of competition and recreation motorcycles that contribute to the lifestyle and well-being of millions of American families.”

Ron V

12-29-2008, 10:38 PM

Forkin' Crazy

12-30-2008, 12:29 AM

Guys, I think there is only one thing we can be sure of anymore. The Oak Ridge Boys said it best:

My baby is American Made
Born and bred in the USA
From her silky long hair
To her sexy long legs
My baby is American Made

Oh yeah, the tariffs on Harleys is similar in Denmark. I know a guy in Copenhagen who has several. $80,000 apiece there. But there it's probably more of an attack on the American way of life and on anything that would make them more like us.

You haven't seen that Russian bride website have you? :eek:

Mexico also has high import tariffs. Don't they still make the old style eco-disastrous beetle there?

I heard a new Toyota pickup is twice what it is here. The same with electronics. I guess that is why I see a group of Mexicans, one truck pulling another… usually used small trucks like S10s and Rangers. You might see a caravan of 10 at a time.

Mark Poole ModVP

12-30-2008, 10:23 AM

Well here it is in simplified form.....

At one time OMC was the largest aluminum caster in the world....back when the motors were made of aluminum not plastic.

OMC had worldwide markets and headquarters, Asia, UK, Austrailia, etc.

Everytime you saw a motor on the back of an ocean research boat anywhere in the world is was an OMC. Everytime you saw a motor pushing a boat up the Amazon it was an OMC. Our Marines used to carry OMC motors into battle. Our Coast Guard used to use OMC motors.

All this enabled OMC Waukegan to employ thousands of workers for decades allowing many families to live happy lives making money and then having a retirement. OMC had the largest dealer network of any "recreational" product in the world and provided jobs and sevices not only for business owners here but also worldwide.

The invasion of the Jap outboards into all of the worldwide markets, including here in the U.S. is why there is no more OMC and also why Brunswick stock is in the toilet and Merc may soon follow. Mismanagement and corparate raiders were not the main reason OMC failed it was the lost of its worldwide market.

If it were not for OMC and Mercury pumping out product over the last 70 years and creating the products that we love so much........This Forum would not have had any basis to even be here for you to chat on!! Now it is Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki that are putting THEIR people to work because THEIR products are worldwide. You think what is happening to China is a miracle? Move to China.

Pro300x24LD

12-30-2008, 10:26 AM

I believe that trade is good. It is the imbalance of trade that is bad.

I just bought some aluminum teflon coated pans made by Bakers and Chefs that are made in the US. Although the aluminum or bauxite is imported. ;)But thats the spririt in my opinion, buy what you can and encourage others to do the same. Stand up for the red white and blue and more and more goods will begin to be made in the US again.

What does this mean? If you take 2 companies, one foreign headquartered one US headqourtered, both public neither pays dividends so profit does not go to share holders or private owners. Now the foreign company builds manufacturing facilities in the US which will not only employ manufacturing people but also supports the construction industry and the local economies. The US based company builds products offshore so they are also constructing manufacturing facilities in those other countries supporting the local economies. Where are the profits going? Which company is better for the US?
Which company puts more spending back into the economy through worker salaries?

Ron V

12-30-2008, 11:02 AM

I guess that is why I see a group of Mexicans, one truck pulling another… usually used small trucks like S10s and Rangers. You might see a caravan of 10 at a time.

I used to see that on I-12 all the time when I lived in Mandeville. I always thought they were transporting them for used car dealers or auctions? Funny though, never seen that here and we have MANY of those "Se Habla Espanol" used car lots here.

And no I haven't seen those Russian bride websites. Heard about them though. We did have a meeting with a vendor from Ukraine at work a while back and they brought some pretty nice girls with them who worked there. Very young managers, corporate attorney, etc. HOT bodies and natural good looks, but you can tell they don't have the skin care products or makeup to take them to that supermodel look like all of the sorority chicks here do. They also had black teeth...that's a problem for me.

mr_velocity

12-30-2008, 12:23 PM

Which company puts more spending back into the economy through worker salaries?

Not that cut and dry. If a company invests $200Mil into a new plant how many other jobs does that create? After the construction is complete they'll also employ their own people at that facility.

Also, profits don't go into salaries, they are a cost. Profits get invested in research and new facilities etc.

Pro300x24LD

12-30-2008, 01:16 PM

Not that cut and dry. If a company invests $200Mil into a new plant how many other jobs does that create? After the construction is complete they'll also employ their own people at that facility.

Also, profits don't go into salaries, they are a cost. Profits get invested in research and new facilities etc.I tried to keep it cut and dry so as not to lose you :p

I agree with you though, which company will "spend" more on US soil and help the US economy more.

The trickle down of the spending that is created because of a company making money/widgets/investments/improvments/etc to the us economy. Blurry for sure, but better to try then to just say fug it

Forkin' Crazy

12-31-2008, 03:19 PM

They also had black teeth...that's a problem for me.

The one I saw up close didn't! She was beautimous!!!!! :eek: Made me want to go shopping.

Bought a set of tires for my truck (6). I had a choice in Toyos and Firestones. Bought Firestones even though they were a few dollars more. :thumbsup:

mr_velocity

12-31-2008, 03:54 PM

The one I saw up close didn't! She was beautimous!!!!! :eek: Made me want to go shopping.

Bought a set of tires for my truck (6). I had a choice in Toyos and Firestones. Bought Firestones even though they were a few dollars more. :thumbsup:

Why? Both tires are made in the USA by Japanese companies. :rolleyes: Toyos are made in GA, Firestone is made in SC.

Forkin' Crazy

12-31-2008, 04:04 PM

Why? Both tires are made in the USA by Japanese companies. :rolleyes: Toyos are made in GA, Firestone is made in SC.

I figured some one would come up with something. I give up. :o

I guess I am off to Sam's Club to buy a Samsung TV and a work bench and shelves made in China by child slave labor. :)

Vinnie

12-31-2008, 04:22 PM

How many of you fine folks REALLY pay 25% more on principle? Most Americans want/need the best bang for their buck. I want to buy GOOD stuff.. I won't spend my money on junk no matter who makes it!

I don't mind paying a little more for American made things.. 15, 20, or 25% more is pushing it a tad though..

JMHO

:cheers:

Mark75H

12-31-2008, 04:49 PM

Mismanagement and corparate raiders were not the main reason OMC failed it was the lost of its worldwide market.

If it were not for OMC and Mercury pumping out product over the last 70 years and creating the products that we love so much........This Forum would not have had any basis to even be here for you to chat on!!

No, OMC failed due to mismanagement, not competition. The incredible Fitch disaster and the financial mistake of monkey-see-monkey-do copying Brunswick's purchase of boat companies even though interest rates were skyrocketing and there was no hope of making money on the deals. Those 2 things ruined OMC's credit and reputation at the same time.

If it were not for OMC and Mercury we'd be talking about ... Champion, Caille, West Bend, Scott and about 100 others that OMC and Merc ate for breakfast decades ago. They are not gods.

Ron V

01-02-2009, 08:42 PM

No, OMC failed due to mismanagement, not competition. The incredible Fitch disaster and the financial mistake of monkey-see-monkey-do copying Brunswick's purchase of boat companies even though interest rates were skyrocketing and there was no hope of making money on the deals. Those 2 things ruined OMC's credit and reputation at the same time.

If it were not for OMC and Mercury we'd be talking about ... Champion, Caille, West Bend, Scott and about 100 others that OMC and Merc ate for breakfast decades ago. They are not gods.

For God's sake and for the 1,000,000th time on the Internet...it's FICHT, not FITCH.

Caille shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Scott or West Bend. MARTIN would be more on a level playing field with those two, even though they bring big bucks today!

Forkin' Crazy

01-03-2009, 12:25 AM

For God's sake and for the 1,000,000th time on the Internet...it's FICHT, not FITCH.

Caille shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Scott or West Bend. MARTIN would be more on a level playing field with those two, even though they bring big bucks today!

:o :p :cool:

INXS

01-03-2009, 01:00 AM

Ron V,

"And no I haven't seen those Russian bride websites. Heard about them though. We did have a meeting with a vendor from Ukraine at work a while back and they brought some pretty nice girls with them who worked there. Very young managers, corporate attorney, etc. HOT bodies and natural good looks, but you can tell they don't have the skin care products or makeup to take them to that supermodel look like all of the sorority chicks here do. They also had black teeth...that's a problem for me."

Sorry for going off-topic, but this is funny!:D
I say the show on Russian brides and always recall this 50+ yrs old guy who had a beautiful lakefront home and a new, much younger, Russian bride. Seems she learned how to be an American housewife fast. While cooking his breaksfeast, eggs, he was telling her to lay off the salt and pepper too which she took the tops off the just poured!:eek::reddevil::nonod::D
You could just see where that marriage was headed!:iagree:

Scream And Fly

01-04-2009, 12:03 AM

Bullseye BMX parts - USA made since 1972. Shimano Saint cranks copied this two-piece design that Bullseye introduced in the 1970s.

http://i42.tinypic.com/ngy7au.jpg

Hydrophobic guy

01-04-2009, 09:35 PM

For God's sake and for the 1,000,000th time on the Internet...it's FICHT, not FITCH.

Excellent !!! :thumbsup: ;) :D !!!