UFC 92 THE ULTIMATE 2008 who else is excited for it?

[wing nut]

this card looks to be the best ever!

what are your predictions?


Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir
CB Dollaway Vs. Mike Massenzio
Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson
Cheick Kongo Vs. Mustapha Al-Turk
Yushin Okami Vs. Dean Lister
Antoni Hardonk Vs. Mark Burch
Matt Hamill Vs. Reese Andy

theres a few other undercard fights.. but WOW talk about a sick card!

Predictions are in bold:)
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[Pro300x24LD]

I can't wait either. Looks to be a very good card. Some of those fights I don't even want to venture a guess and predict.

I'll take a few stabs here...


Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans This one is going to be close.
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir (Mir needs a submission early to win....
CB Dollaway Vs. Mike Massenzio
Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson
Cheick Kongo Vs. Mustapha Al-Turk (Never heard of this Al-Turk cat)
Yushin Okami Vs. Dean Lister
Antoni Hardonk Vs. Mark Burch
Matt Hamill Vs. Reese Andy

[specboatops]

I'm waiting to see GSP and B.J.Penn, man I like both those guys, that will be a tuff one................

[Shanna]

yall have lost your mind Rampage will get beat down by Silva. I want to see Forrest win.

[Action Dave]

I'm pretty stoked for what should be the best UFC card in a while, possibly ever. The Griffin/Evans main event should be incredible.

[MIJI]

I can't imagine this won't be the best card ever.

Does ANYONE care about boxing anymore?

[specboatops]

I can't imagine this won't be the best card ever.

Does ANYONE care about boxing anymore?

I just watched the Pachea ( I know I spelled that wrong:confused:) De Lahoya fight I had it tevo'd Man Oscar got his a$$ handed to him in a bad way. The other guy was so fast.......................

[NNT]

Does ANYONE care about boxing anymore?

Boxing is the only sport I follow and would rather see two men fight standin upright then dry humpin each other on the mat like they do in UFC.

[Action Dave]

I am still a boxing fan. The politics and general garbage involved has really hurt the sport. That said I'd rather see a great boxing match than a great wrestling match. I like the action of MMA but that jui-jitsu stuff, rolling around on the floor trying to choke another grown man, gets boring. I guess thats why most of the popular UFC fighters are more likely to stand and throw hands rather than take the fight to the mat.

[Pro300x24LD]

in the UFC you have to encompass EVERY aspect of a real fight, you could get kicked, tackled, choked, submitted, etc. Way more to it. The only thing a boxer has to watch out for is getting punched. To each their own....

[JUPITER PULSARE]

I'm waiting to see GSP and B.J.Penn, man I like both those guys, that will be a tuff one................

I like BJ Penn but I don't think he has a chance against GSP.

[JUPITER PULSARE]

in the UFC you have to encompass EVERY aspect of a real fight, you could get kicked, tackled, choked, submitted, etc. Way more to it. The only thing a boxer has to watch out for is getting punched. To each their own....

I have to agree...you have to be an all around athlete to compete in the UFC. You never know what your apponent may throw at you!

[Action Dave]

in the UFC you have to encompass EVERY aspect of a real fight, you could get kicked, tackled, choked, submitted, etc. Way more to it. The only thing a boxer has to watch out for is getting punched. To each their own....


No doubt MMA fighters are better all around fighters than any boxer it's just that I find any wrestling that doesn't involve pile-drivers :D to be a bit too slow for my short attention span.

[Pro300x24LD]

No doubt MMA fighters are better all around fighters than any boxer it's just that I find any wrestling that doesn't involve pile-drivers :D to be a bit too slow for my short attention span.Fair enough, I wrestled for years in middle and high school, so I enjoy the grappling aspect of the sport. I'd rather fight a dude on the ground then fight any boxer though, I hate getting punched in the face, it hurts.

I do get annoyed when guys go to the ground and do not improve or attempt to improve their position however.

[GDM]

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the next ufc card is great imo


it is easy to disrespect grappling and say something ignorant like "2 dudes dry humping" until you roll
with a good submission wrestler and he rag dolls you , makes you cry like a little girl and totally humbles you


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[mr.clean]

Certainly not the best card ever but it's a lot better than the junk UFC has been putting out lately.


Evans
Mir
Dollaway
Rampage
Kongo
Okami
Hardonk
Andy


Penn destroys GSP! Write it down ;)

[NNT]

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the next ufc card is great imo


it is easy to disrespect grappling and say something ignorant like "2 dudes dry humping" until you roll
with a good submission wrestler and he rag dolls you , makes you cry like a little girl and totally humbles you


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No thanks I like girls :cheers: and good luck on that same sex marriage thing. :thumbsup:

[wing nut]

No thanks I like girls :cheers: and good luck on that same sex marriage thing. :thumbsup:

if you had the slightest idea about the skill level it takes to be good at grapling/wrestling or jusjitu you wouldnt be making such childish comments.

i wrestled for 4years in hs and was decent, have have also trained brazilian jujitsu for a year or so. my regular training partner was 6'2' and 240lbs, at 5'5' 155lbs i was able to throw him around. now if we were standing up and he hit me with a good shot it would be lights out. but on the ground is where the smaller guys can even things up in the street.:thumbsup:


i think theres more skill level on the ground then standup. theres so many variations of arm locks, chokes, leg locks etc. and when someone is very well trained in jujitsu its impressive to watch.


Scott

p.s. i used to like boxing untill all the good fighters got old and retired.. or are still trying to fight and getting beaten. boxing is still big but UFC is clearly taking over. the skills needed for ufc are 10x that of boxing. there is no one dimensional fighters in the ufc (that win)

[Pro300x24LD]

guys who are not comfortable with their own manhood will never be able to wrestle/grapple/etc.

wingnut you aren't kiddin about us smaller guys being able to even things out on the ground with smart leverage, positioning and submissions.

[GDM]

if you had the slightest idea about the skill level it takes to be good at grapling/wrestling or jusjitu you wouldnt be making such childish comments.




guys who are not comfortable with their own manhood will never be able to wrestle/grapple/etc.




yup , i think the guys who say things like NNT just said above arent comfortable with themselves so they have to say stupid things like that to make themselves feel better

maybe they are just hiding gay feelings and struggling with it , so they have to try extra hard to appear "macho"

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[NNT]

Yea, I'm not secure in my manhood, thats it. No quite frankly I am just tired of every avg suburban joe whitebread thinkin he's billy joe badass because he sits around shovelin hot wings down his throat while he watches UFC. Obviously you have not followed boxing lately, some of the best boxers are out there right now to see. Notice I didn't say loud mouthed, obnoxious attention whores like Mike Tyson, who unfortunately draw the most ignorant of admirers. Lets see some of these UFC guuys step into the ring with either of the Klitchko brothers and try their hand at a stand up boxing match. Chances are they will be staring at the ceiling in under a round.

As far as overall athletic conditioning, most boxers are by far in much better shape then most of the portly UFC guys I have seen. of course I am makin a joke when I say they are dry humpin each other on the mat, but that sort of grapplin and submission hold manuevers interest me as much as watchin paint dry. I still say these UFC events are still just a fad and will probably be out of the limelight in under 10 years. Time will tell. :cheers:

[GDM]

Lets see some of these UFC guuys step into the ring with either of the Klitchko brothers and try their hand at a stand up boxing match. Chances are they will be staring at the ceiling in under a round.



i agree with that statement , boxers just practice one thing , and they have it perfected

same way a great boxer would lose badly to even a mid level college wrestler in wrestling match

in an actual fight i bet even a mid level ufc guy would literaly kill (i mean actually cause death) the best boxer in the world in their weight class

when you are watching the ufc and feel it is boring , it is because both guys train grappling so they often cancel each other out , if you watch a great grappler vs a begginer grappler you would be suprized how action packed it is

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[GDM]

As far as overall athletic conditioning, most boxers are by far in much better shape then most of the portly UFC guys I have seen.


you arent very familiar with recent ufc , some of these guys are olympic level wrestlers , true world class athletes


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[GDM]

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some people dont realize how effective jiu jitsu is , it is so easy to break someones arm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ieZcYCZJM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYV4ZQYKy8&feature=related



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[NNT]

I think your bettin the farm that boxers have no other skills but boxin, I don't think I'd want to be a mid level ufc guy and take on some of those big boxers. Remember most of those guys grew up on the mean streets as well where their were no rules. Personally I am glad they keep it professional in the ring, except for a few losers like Mike Tyson that have blemished the sport. Thats why I like the new crop of eastern european heavyweights. They come in, dismantle their opponent like a finely tuned machine and then leave. No don king hype and bs, just pure boxin.

[wing nut]

Yea, I'm not secure in my manhood, thats it. No quite frankly I am just tired of every avg suburban joe whitebread thinkin he's billy joe badass because he sits around shovelin hot wings down his throat while he watches UFC. Obviously you have not followed boxing lately, some of the best boxers are out there right now to see. Notice I didn't say loud mouthed, obnoxious attention whores like Mike Tyson, who unfortunately draw the most ignorant of admirers. Lets see some of these UFC guuys step into the ring with either of the Klitchko brothers and try their hand at a stand up boxing match. Chances are they will be staring at the ceiling in under a round.

As far as overall athletic conditioning, most boxers are by far in much better shape then most of the portly UFC guys I have seen. of course I am makin a joke when I say they are dry humpin each other on the mat, but that sort of grapplin and submission hold manuevers interest me as much as watchin paint dry. I still say these UFC events are still just a fad and will probably be out of the limelight in under 10 years. Time will tell. :cheers:



i will agreee that a UFC fighter would probably get knocked out in the ring against a top notch boxer... but a top notch boxer would get destroyed in any ufc fight.. so that kind of cancles each other out.

as far as conditioning, UFC is 3-5, 5min rounds with 1min rest inbetween each round (if im not mistaken). Boxing is 10-12 3min. rounds with 1.5min rest inbetween each round (again if im not mistaken)

boxing: 30min-36. of fighting, 15min rest.
UFC: 15-25min. of fighting, 2-4min. rest.


if you have ever tried to do stand up or grapling for 5min. straight.. its insanely tiring! and add in that there is less rest then boxing.. makes it (in my opinion) alot tougher.

and i will agree with you that i havent followed boxing closely at all within the last few years, and that UFC does make a few guys turn into "tough guys" after watching a UFC event.

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[NNT]

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some people dont realize how effective jiu jitsu is , it is so easy to break someones arm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ieZcYCZJM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYV4ZQYKy8&feature=related



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I have seen boxers fight 10+ rounds with broken hands,wrists,noses, have seen a boxer knocked out so hard he broke his leg on the way down to the canvas and I remember watchin the fight where duk koo kim died after the match with Ray Mancini. There have been other deaths as well if my memory serves me well. This is just from two man trading blows, no submission holds, grappling, kicks etc, just thier hands. Yea boxers are pretty much talentless bums with no skills or power compared to the ufc guys *sarcasm* :rolleyes:

[GDM]

I think your bettin the farm that boxers have no other skills but boxin, I don't think I'd want to be a mid level ufc guy and take on some of those big boxers. Remember most of those guys grew up on the mean streets as well where their were no rules. Personally I am glad they keep it professional in the ring, except for a few losers like Mike Tyson that have blemished the sport. Thats why I like the new crop of eastern european heavyweights. They come in, dismantle their opponent like a finely tuned machine and then leave. No don king hype and bs, just pure boxin.



yeah but the little bit of rolling around on the street while growing up wont translate well when you have a high level brazilian jiu jitsu/mma fightert on top of you going for constatnt submissions and ground and pounding you silly

it would be like saying i was in a bunch of slugfests in a parking lot while growing up so i think i can hang with________(fill in the best boxer)


until you roll with a decent submission grappler you wont understand , it will humble you a whole lot

mma is a legit sport with high level athletes and i would put my money on the mma fighter anyday


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[GDM]

I have seen boxers fight 10+ rounds with broken hands,wrists,noses, have seen a boxer knocked out so hard he broke his leg on the way down to the canvas and I remember watchin the fight where duk koo kim died after the match with Ray Mancini. There have been other deaths as well if my memory serves me well. This is just from two man trading blows, no submission holds, grappling, kicks etc, just thier hands. Yea boxers are pretty much talentless bums with no skills or power compared to the ufc guys *sarcasm* :rolleyes:


nobody said boxers arent skilled or tough , they are phenominal atletes for sure

you are just arguing with an imaginary opponent i guess , LOL

but the fact remains , without training in ground fighting daily , a boxer will get killed once an mma fighter gets them on the ground period

what is so hard to understand ? if you are the worlds best motorcycle rider you cant just hop in a formula one car and expect to be the best your first time out


you really have no clue about the sport of mma and coming in this thread with your "boxing is superior" talk just shows how clueless you are about fighting

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[wing nut]

cool..

now that we all realize boxers and UFC fighters are amazing athletes.. BACK TO THE TOPIC!

PREDICTIONS~

if you want start a whole new "boxing vs. UFC" thread NNT and we can all argue (peacfully) over there:iagree:

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[GDM]

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BACK TO THE TOPIC!

PREDICTIONS~




i usually dont bet too much on the outcome , look at all the "upsets" in the past 2 years in mma

thats what i love about mma , anything can happen

on this event in particular , these main card fights can go either way imo


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[Pro300x24LD]

i usually dont bet too much on the outcome , look at all the "upsets" in the past 2 years in mma

thats what i love about mma , anything can happen

on this event in particular , these main card fights can go either way imo


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Agreed, almost all of these fights are total toss ups, some of the best pride and ufc fighters going at it, all have either been a contender or held a belt at some point, should be great. The undercard all looks pretty good too, some supreme fighters. Going to be an awesome show.

[robert jordan]

Its on tonight! Go Forrest Go!!!:cheers:

[Fulltilt]

Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson

Except for maybe this one.

Silva has beat Jackson twice.

The last one was a nasty knockout.

Trained in mixed martial arts in the early 80s and had some boxing training with a Golden Gloves trainer, have ta respect both.

I rather get punched in the face than have my arm torqued on.

Trained hard for 2 minute rounds, 1 minute rest in between that was hard enough for me!




Agreed, almost all of these fights are total toss ups, .

[Fulltilt]

Layed off from my job.

Trained 5 days a week, 5-8 hours a day.

Injured or not.

Maybe that's why those 2 minute rounds were so hard.

[GDM]

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im excited for this event

http://92.ufc.com/


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[vnemous]

it would be like saying i was in a bunch of slugfests in a parking lot while growing up so i think i can hang with________(fill in the best boxer)




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Were you Kimbo or Tank Abbott?:D Gonna be good fights tonight.:thumbsup:

[GDM]

Gonna be good fights tonight.:thumbsup:


hell yeah :cheers:

this card and the next few ufc's are looking good

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[GDM]

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i rarely make predictions , but ill give it a shot

for the 3 main fights i feel they can all go either way , but ill give it a shot

ill take
noguera over mir
forest over rashad
and this last one is the most difficult for me but ill take a guess and say
wand over jackson

but i wouldnt be suprised if i was wrong on all of em LOL



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[Sunburnt]

lets not forget the best of the best..

To bad the little guy had to retire.. He'd kick the $hit out of all of them...... In the same night!!

:)

Jeff

[GDM]

Hoise Gracie

lets not forget the best of the best..

To bad the little guy had to retire.. He'd kick the $hit out of all of them...... In the same night!!

:)

Jeff

royce gracie :) (it is pronounced hoyce though)

im a big fan of royce , but mma changed alot from when he was in the octagon


i still would never totaly count royce out though :thumbsup:

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[robert jordan]

Royce Gracie was bad to the bone!! It was amazing what he could do back then. His whole family deserves much respect for what they did for mixed martial arts. The sport has come along way because of them.

[WATERWINGS]

Its just starting now.......this is gonna be a good one.

[robert jordan]

Rampage wupped that Silva azz:eek:
Rushad beat Forest up:mad:
Mir over Nogueira:)
none went the distance.

[GDM]

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lol , now i know why i dont bet on these fights

all my predictions above were WRONG ! LOL

im 0 and 3 ha ha


pretty cool ufc event though


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[GDM]

Royce Gracie was bad to the bone!! It was amazing what he could do back then. His whole family deserves much respect for what they did for mixed martial arts. The sport has come along way because of them.


hell yeah , the gracies totally changed fighting in a huge way by doing what they did with ufc 1


martial arts probably changed more in the past 15 years then it did in the 100 years before that



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[Pro300x24LD]

Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson

Except for maybe this one.

Silva has beat Jackson twice.

The last one was a nasty knockout.

Trained in mixed martial arts in the early 80s and had some boxing training with a Golden Gloves trainer, have ta respect both.

I rather get punched in the face than have my arm torqued on.

Trained hard for 2 minute rounds, 1 minute rest in between that was hard enough for me!try again.


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i rarely make predictions , but ill give it a shot

for the 3 main fights i feel they can all go either way , but ill give it a shot

ill take
noguera over mir
forest over rashad
and this last one is the most difficult for me but ill take a guess and say
wand over jackson

but i wouldnt be suprised if i was wrong on all of em LOL



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I can't wait either. Looks to be a very good card. Some of those fights I don't even want to venture a guess and predict.

I'll take a few stabs here...


Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans This one is going to be close.:D
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir (Mir needs a submission early to win.... :(Missed the boat on this one.
CB Dollaway Vs. Mike Massenzio :(
Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson :D
Cheick Kongo Vs. Mustapha Al-Turk (Never heard of this Al-Turk cat):D
Yushin Okami Vs. Dean Lister :(
Antoni Hardonk Vs. Mark Burch
Matt Hamill Vs. Reese Andy:D

[GDM]

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hey uprokpro300etcetcetc????

what did you think of the fights ?

i guess it was pretty good

when the fight was about to start someone told me mir was a 2 1/2 to 1 underdog , if i would have know that i would have put $100 bucks on mir (even though i thought nog was goanna take it)



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[Pro300x24LD]

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hey uprokpro300etcetcetc????

what did you think of the fights ?

i guess it was pretty good

when the fight was about to start someone told me mir was a 2 1/2 to 1 underdog , if i would have know that i would have put $100 bucks on mir (even though i thought nog was goanna take it)



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I didn't pony up the cash to watch. I also somehow forgot that the fights were on because I over served myself Friday night.

[Fulltilt]

Pro300,

I'm glad Jackson won, but you have to admit the odds were against him after being stopped twice by Silva.

[Pro300x24LD]

Pro300,

I'm glad Jackson won, but you have to admit the odds were against him after being stopped twice by Silva.
agreed, I felt like I was going out on a limb picking jackson, but wanderlei is starting to look old and on the downside of his career imo

[wing nut]

i cant believe forrest lost...

i HATE rashad evans, the way he acts bothers me.. i hope theres a rematch!

[Shanna]

once again Rampage showed he is trash. Silva was out cold and Rampage still giving 4-5 blows to the head while the ref was trying to pull him off after the first knockout punch. i realize that you have to finish the job but when the ref is on you after the first punch and you still give 4-5 more punches he is trash "you know wat i sayin". I wanted Forrest to win but im glad he handled the lost well and he was still up beat about it. that was my favorite fight of the night. The mind game those two were playing with each other was entertaining.

[Action Dave]

Frank Mir's best fight ever! I hope he keeps it going for the Lesnar fight.
Evans/Griffin was good too. Forest got in trouble when he tried to roll out from under Evans. Pretty good overall card but not as good as I expected.

[GDM]

once again Rampage showed he is trash. Silva was out cold and Rampage still giving 4-5 blows to the head while the ref was trying to pull him off after the first knockout punch.

im not saying rampage was a perfect gentleman , but i dont think at was as bad as you think

http://i39.tinypic.com/o0rns1.jpg



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[GDM]

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i would have much rather seen rampage handle it like this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzfY-aXGcBY&eurl=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/quinton-jackson-deeply-disturbed-human-being-893652/&feature=player_embedded





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[Shanna]

im not saying rampage was a perfect gentleman , but i dont think at was as bad as you think

http://i39.tinypic.com/o0rns1.jpg



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ok 3 punches not 4-5 still pretty trashy

[GDM]

ok 3 punches not 4-5 still pretty trashy


i would have rather seen rampage stand over wand and handle it like the guy in the second video i posted :)


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[WATERWINGS]

ok 3 punches not 4-5 still pretty trashy

He was clearly out before he hit the mat, but I counted 3 hits while the Ref. was bear hugging Rampage with both arms, trying to pull him off.

I realize adrinaline pump and all, but that looked more like.......anger/revenge?

I've seen BJ Penn hold arm bars longer than he needed to after a tap-out, and a few rear naked chokes that went on longer than the tap also.

[GDM]

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watch it again

wand hit the ground , rampage instantly lands 1 punch which isnt a big deal , remember that is in slow motion so in real time he is hitting his opponent as soon as he lands , he doesnt have time to totally access the situation and realize if wand is out cold or not

then there are 2 punches after the ref makes contact with rampages body

im not saying it is cool to punch a guy 2 times after the ref grabs you by any means , but lets be fair and call it like it is

2 punches


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[Pro300x24LD]

your blowing that out of proportions, how many times has an MMA fighter clearly knocked a guy out, the ref doesnt stop the fight and the guy comes back to win? I've seen it at least a few times, rampage did nothing wrong, put that in real time and I guaruntee if you had the adrenaline rush and the focus on knocking the guy out that rampage had you would have done the same and not even noticed the referee for the .4895 seconds it took to punch him two more times.


waterwings I will agree with you on BJ Penn, he does seem to hold his submissions a bit longer then necessary, I've seen him have to have the ref pull chokes off guys, but again the same thing, how does he know who's tapping him, or trying to punch him, or trying to pull his hands off a guys throat?

[specboatops]

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then there are 2 punches after the ref makes contact with rampages body

but lets be fair and call it like it is

2 punches


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AGREED.....4 or 5 punches:confused::confused:.........women;)

[GDM]

AGREED.....4 or 5 punches:confused::confused:.........women;)


i still love them though :) , in person i just agree with them :)

but on the internet i may get a little confrontational :eek: LOL



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[GDM]

your blowing that out of proportions, how many times has an MMA fighter clearly knocked a guy out, the ref doesnt stop the fight and the guy comes back to win?

thats what im saying :cheers:



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[GDM]

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BJ Penn

that guys is a great fighter , i always look foward to watching him fight

plus when he fights in the ufc it is so funny when the announcer joe rogan says "this is the best BJ i have ever seen"
:)

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[Pro300x24LD]

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that guys is a great fighter , i always look foward to watching him fight

plus when he fights in the ufc it is so funny when the announcer joe rogan says "this is the best BJ i have ever seen"
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truf on both accounts. The dude's a tough guy, and he always looks like a great BJ, as weird as that is to type. Joe Rogan is not right.

[Liqui-Fly]

i cant believe forrest lost...

i HATE rashad evans, the way he acts bothers me.. i hope theres a rematch!

How do you think you'd act if everyone said you were going to lose every fight you were heading into?

[Pro300x24LD]

How do you think you'd act if everyone said you were going to lose every fight you were heading into?:thumbsup:

[wing nut]

How do you think you'd act if everyone said you were going to lose every fight you were heading into?


dave did you watch the Ultimate fighter show? when he was on that show he acted the same way. and he wasnt the greatest fighter then either, his first 4-5 fights went to desicion, he couldnt knock anyone out for a while. ive hated him since the show. he is a skilled fighter but his personality is what i hate!

[Pro300x24LD]

dave did you watch the Ultimate fighter show? when he was on that show he acted the same way. and he wasnt the greatest fighter then either, his first 4-5 fights went to desicion, he couldnt knock anyone out for a while. ive hated him since the show. he is a skilled fighter but his personality is what i hate!I watched the show, and one of the first things dana white said about the guy is he had no chance, matt hughes rode him all season because he didn't like his attitude, the dude works hard, was a GREAT college wrestler that none of the UFC guys seemed to want to give him respect for, and beat his opponents, decision or knockout who cares.

I'd be willing to bet his attitude is learned behavior from people telling him he couldn't his entire life.....well now he has, and did, and will....go rashad!!

[specboatops]

I watched the show, and one of the first things dana white said about the guy is he had no chance, matt hughes rode him all season because he didn't like his attitude, the dude works hard, was a GREAT college wrestler that none of the UFC guys seemed to want to give him respect for, and beat his opponents, decision or knockout who cares.

I'd be willing to bet his attitude is learned behavior from people telling him he couldn't his entire life.....well now he has, and did, and will....go rashad!!

Well spoken ! :thumbsup:

[GDM]

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I'd be willing to bet his attitude is learned behavior from people telling him he couldn't his entire life.....well now he has, and did, and will....go rashad!!


that quote is so well written and eloquent , almost as brilliant as frank mir's speech after he beat noguera "people can do $hit !" :):):)




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