24 Skater driving

[David]

In Powerboat this month, John Tomlinson states "If you can learn to throttle and fly a 24 Skater with old 2.4 two stroke outboards, you can learn to drive anything"

Are the big outboard cats that hard to drive?

[GDM]

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in my opinion the cats are super easy to drive , i wonder what he was talking about ?

ive been in a 24 skater over 100 and it feels like your going 50 mph in a car

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[patchesII]

i wonder how much time tomlinson has in a small v bottom with a strong v6 on it.

[GDM]

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maybe he means flying it offshore in big water?

maybe he is comparing it to driving a 35 or 40 foot cat offshore , that might make good sense

but in regular bay chop the 24 skater is easier to drive then you can imagine

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[David]

Mr Tomlinson was comparing the Skater to inboard cats.

Of course driving an outboard V bottom is a different skill that he may or may not have. He does have a good race record in the big cats.

[bskater18]

This boat is too much fun!!!:thumbsup: Offshore in 3 to 5' or in the Moriches Bay blowing 30+mph :cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdxYE0GsLUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0gncb9Go3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGIy6E_nll8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkCVQLRjg14
http://i36.tinypic.com/2mgl1lt.jpg

[whipper]

SWEET PIC!!!!:thumbsup:

[tux974]

In Powerboat this month, John Tomlinson states "If you can learn to throttle and fly a 24 Skater with old 2.4 two stroke outboards, you can learn to drive anything"

Are the big outboard cats that hard to drive?

He is 100% correct! They have said that sinse the boat was built. If you run them with hot power and try to get every last mph out of it they will become a handful.
I should know I blew one over:eek::eek:
The boat will go over some real big stuff it gives you a false sense of security.
Yes, It is not the boat it is the driver;):D

[Dirk Pitt]

He is 100% correct! They have said that sinse the boat was built. If you run them with hot power and try to get every last mph out of it they will become a handful.
I should know I blew one over:eek::eek:
The boat will go over some real big stuff it gives you a false sense of security.
Yes, It is not the boat it is the driver;):D


Running big cats with big power is like sitting in your living room going 150 mph +, they usually are very stable going in a straight line, and I emphizise usually, Ive seen big cats blow over going straight, too much tap, tap, tap, on that trim button, but most often its always in the turn, coming in hot, and just a tad of too much wheel, theres always a fine line, and when the boat gets out of its envelope, the words youll here on the intercom is "Oh S**T"

[tux974]

Running big cats with big power is like sitting in your living room going 150 mph +, they usually are very stable going in a straight line, and I emphizise usually, Ive seen big cats blow over going straight, too much tap, tap, tap, on that trim button, but most often its always in the turn, coming in hot, and just a tad of too much wheel, theres always a fine line, and when the boat gets out of its envelope, the words youll here on the intercom is "Oh S**T"

Very true :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Yes, That tap, tap, the last tap and its :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[MStine06]

Try driving an Allison and let me know what you think compared to a big cat. Not in the same club.

[tux974]

Try driving an Allison and let me know what you think compared to a big cat. Not in the same club.

I have absolutely no doubt that any boat taking to its possible limit will become a handful.
I'm just talking about my personal experience.

[Dirk Pitt]

Try driving an Allison and let me know what you think compared to a big cat. Not in the same club.

big cat drivers, small cat drivers, tunnel boat drivers, could never jump into a padded v- bottom:thumbsup: and put it where it belongs.....

[Hottrucks]

going from a V to a cat is like getting off a jap bike and driving Miss Daisy the cats drive much easier once you get use to there quirks...but also they will give you a false sence of security .... kinda like remembering that your on bias ply tires with drum brakes and the old bitch ain't wear'n a seatbelt

[fast fun 2]

Didnt JT used to race tunnel boats? I think he means flying a 24 level at 90 in 3-4 footers. None of that tripping it garbage. :D

[jerry]

tap tap tap this !!! they are death traps!!!!!!:nonod:

[Dirk Pitt]

tap tap tap this !!! they are death traps!!!!!!:nonod:

ah, a sleeping giant has awoken:D

[Powerplay25]

This boat is too much fun!!!:thumbsup: Offshore in 3 to 5' or in the Moriches Bay blowing 30+mph :cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdxYE0GsLUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0gncb9Go3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGIy6E_nll8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkCVQLRjg14
http://i36.tinypic.com/2mgl1lt.jpg

Loved that third video running the inlet. :thumbsup:

[fast fun 2]

tap tap tap this !!! they are death traps!!!!!!:nonod:
Not so. Any cat with the right guy on the throttles is very safe. Its the clowns who trim them up who blow them over. Friend of mines 1986 24 Skater runs 108 with stock 2.5 offshores. 2 or 3 clicks above all the way down is all it needs to be level and loose. :cheers:

[jerry]

so every guy who blows one over is a clown ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj8WJKuTg8k&feature=related

[Capt.Insane-o]

so every guy who blows one over is a clown ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj8WJKuTg8k&feature=related

:P ermm.. yeah.

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[Pro300x24LD]

so every guy who blows one over is a clown ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj8WJKuTg8k&feature=related
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another clown

[Capt.Insane-o]

Must be Jerry driving.

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[fast fun 2]

so every guy who blows one over is a clown ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj8WJKuTg8k&feature=related
Not what I meant by that. The people who jump into a cat, thinking its like any go fast boat and just hitting the trim button up and up and up and up, are clowns. Cats take time to learn to run, unfortunately a lot of people dont respect that.

[tux974]

Not so. Any cat with the right guy on the throttles is very safe. Its the clowns who trim them up who blow them over. Friend of mines 1986 24 Skater runs 108 with stock 2.5 offshores. 2 or 3 clicks above all the way down is all it needs to be level and loose. :cheers:

WOW, True words from a super star:rolleyes:

There must be alot of clowns even in the pro circuit:rolleyes:

[fast fun 2]

WOW, True words from a super star:rolleyes:

There must be alot of clowns even in the pro circuit:rolleyes:
Super Star? Whats that supposed to mean?? Im just on here voicing my oppion. You dont like it, thats well and good. Dont start bashing. I never mentioned the pro circuit. Stuff that happens on the race course has usually a lot do with with extreme race conditions, not the crew.

[tux974]

Super Star? Whats that supposed to mean?? Im just on here voicing my oppion. You dont like it, thats well and good. Dont start bashing. I never mentioned the pro circuit. Stuff that happens on the race course has usually a lot do with with extreme race conditions, not the crew.


Great way to voice your opinion by calling people names:rolleyes:
BTW, I blew one over so I must be a clown;):D

Jerry, Keep the comments to yourself :p;):D:)

[Dirk Pitt]

Great way to voice your opinion by calling people names:rolleyes:
BTW, I blew one over so I must be a clown;):D

Jerry, Keep the comments to yourself :p;):D:)

Tony,

I dont think he meant anything by calling anyone a clown, its more like being inept in proceccing information, things are happening real fast at those speeds, and the the ability of knowing through trial and error ( seat time ) that you have taken the boat over the edge of its safe operating range, once you take it out of the envolope your asking for trouble, and as you are aware once it starts happening, usually you cant process the information quick enough to reverse the attitude of the boat.... and then the last words you will here is just like Andy from Mayberry would say "Golly";)

[jerry]

Tony,

I dont think he meant anything by calling anyone a clown, its more like being inept in proceccing information, things are happening real fast at those speeds, and the the ability of knowing through trial and error ( seat time ) that you have taken the boat over the edge of its safe operating range, once you take it out of the envolope your asking for trouble, and as you are aware once it starts happening, usually you cant process the information quick enough to reverse the attitude of the boat.... and then the last words you will here is just like Andy from Mayberry would say "Golly";)

or off the trailer !!!!! tony , your nose was looking a little red last time jerry saw you ...........

[tux974]

Tony,

I dont think he meant anything by calling anyone a clown, its more like being inept in proceccing information, things are happening real fast at those speeds, and the the ability of knowing through trial and error ( seat time ) that you have taken the boat over the edge of its safe operating range, once you take it out of the envolope your asking for trouble, and as you are aware once it starts happening, usually you cant process the information quick enough to reverse the attitude of the boat.... and then the last words you will here is just like Andy from Mayberry would say "Golly";)

:iagree:This is true:thumbsup: When we buy a boat like this you know we are going to push the envelope;):D:smiletest:


tony , your nose was looking a little red last time jerry saw you ...........
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OH yes!!:iagree:;):D

[T2x]

so every guy who blows one over is a clown ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj8WJKuTg8k&feature=related


No...... Anybody who talks in the first person through a stuffed animal is a clown.:p:p:p

People who blow over cats are generally going faster than the vee bottoms that they owned before.

T2x

[T2x]

For the record.

J.T. made his racing bones in Outboard tunnel boats, then went into offshore. His resume includes driving small and large vees , tunnels and cats of all sizes. He still logs more time than most of us in all kinds of hulls in the PB tests.

Believe me he can drive an Allison......as well as (or better than) anyone.

T2x

[Dirk Pitt]

For the record.

J.T. made his racing bones in Outboard tunnel boats, then went into offshore. His resume includes driving small and large vees , tunnels and cats of all sizes. He still logs more time than most of us in all kinds of hulls in the PB tests.

Believe me he can drive an Allison......as well as (or better than) anyone.

T2x


I dont think so:p

[jerry]

better than JOEEEE:rolleyes:Y ???????

[Dirk Pitt]

better than JOEEEE:rolleyes:Y ???????

oh I get it, last week when he was in the water trying to retreive your fishing boat out of frigid water in the dark, he was "MY BUDDY JOE", now today he's JOEEE:rolleyes:Y

hahahahahahah,:D:D:D

[David]

Not to disrespect Mr Tomlinson, but relatively recently Powerboat slammed a twin outboard V bottom for chine walking. He did not write the article. I think it was a Concept. Powerboat didn't get much speed out of it, stating that they had to scrub off speed with the trim tabs.

I wrote to ask if there was more speed to be had by 'driving', and the response was that modern boats shouldn't chine walk.

Maybe the boat just wasn't that fast, but that got me thinking about driving techniques. Not that I would be qualified to drive a twin engine V bottom or cat.

I didn't know that Mr Tomlinson had raced outboard tunnels. Cool.

[jerry]

oh I get it, last week when he was in the water trying to retreive your fishing boat out of frigid water in the dark, he was "MY BUDDY JOE", now today he's JOEEE:rolleyes:Y

hahahahahahah,:D:D:D

on the contrary my fine feathered little friend , the comment was directided toward the fossile (t2x)
jerry and joey are like peas and carrots!!!!;)

[Powerplay25]

Not to disrespect Mr Tomlinson, but relatively recently Powerboat slammed a twin outboard V bottom for chine walking. He did not write the article. I think it was a Concept. Powerboat didn't get much speed out of it, stating that they had to scrub off speed with the trim tabs.

I wrote to ask if there was more speed to be had by 'driving', and the response was that modern boats shouldn't chine walk.

Maybe the boat just wasn't that fast, but that got me thinking about driving techniques. Not that I would be qualified to drive a twin engine V bottom or cat.

I didn't know that Mr Tomlinson had raced outboard tunnels. Cool.

I was also disappointed with the speed of that Concept. It's a beautiful boat.

[Dirk Pitt]

on the contrary my fine feathered little friend , the comment was directided toward the fossile (t2x)
jerry and joey are like peas and carrots!!!!;)


I know what you ment;),

[T2x]

on the contrary my fine feathered little friend , the comment was directided toward the fossile (t2x)
jerry and joey are like peas and carrots!!!!;)


Before you use terms like "Fossil", be sure you know how to spell the word.

T2x

P.S. I'd rather be a fossil than a guy whose entire reputation is based on his appetite( and a stuffed dog)......:D

[T2x]

I dont think so:p

There are much bigger horizons , my friend, than the one that you can see only from the GSB........

JT and Joey would be an interesting race in identical Allisons.....but , there is no sure winner. I know who I'd like to see win....but the Vegas odds would probably be a push.

T2x

P.S. Here's an Allison with twins (non counter rotated)....How easy do you think that was to drive?

[Pro300x24LD]

Here's an Allison with twins (non counter rotated)....How easy do you think that was to drive?Wasn't too bad, I was doing it in my sleep by age 10 :p



Modern boats shouldn't chine walk, and all new cars should have automatic transmission

[T2x]

Wasn't too bad, I was doing it in my sleep by age 10 :p

You mean..you were dreaming about doing it AT age 10....:p

T2x

[Dirk Pitt]

There are much bigger horizons , my friend, than the one that you can see only from the GSB........

JT and Joey would be an interesting race in identical Allisons.....but , there is no sure winner. I know who I'd like to see win....but the Vegas odds would probably be a push.

T2x

P.S. Here's an Allison with twins (non counter rotated)....How easy do you think that was to drive?

Bigger horizons my friend ah yes, but when you take a "THROTTLEMAN" such as the above formentioned and put that "THROTTLEMAN" behind the "WHEEL" of a 21' v bottom with a pad, even you with all your wisdom;), would somehow have to say, well maybe there might be an edge to someone who "WHEELS" one everyday:D, but than again I just do what I do on the GSB, along with you:cool::thumbsup::D

[Fasttoys]

I'd have to think trying to keep my V6 Viper upright through 2 ft chop at speeds anywhere north of 70 on the dam run on the Sacandaga has to be up there on the difficulty scale. I don't know how much more I can handle...:eek::cheers:

[T2x]

Bigger horizons my friend ah yes, but when you take a "THROTTLEMAN" such as the above formentioned and put that "THROTTLEMAN" behind the "WHEEL" of a 21' v bottom with a pad, even you with all your wisdom;), would somehow have to say, well maybe there might be an edge to someone who "WHEELS" one everyday:D, but than again I just do what I do on the GSB, along with you:cool::thumbsup::D

You didn't read the whole post....

JT started as an OPC racer....wheel and throttle....little boats...... He can do it all....just like somebody else we both know.;) Many of the great T-men started in OPC, stock outboard hydros and runabouts, or short course inboards (Sirois, Gilbreath, Powers, Imprescia, Tomlinson, Fountain, Robertson...etc, etc). That's why they are head and shoulders over the other guys. JT's point was if you can handle the smaller boats (I'm sure the 24 Skater was used as an example...not an absolute)...you are MUCH better equipped to race the big ones.

Guys who came out of Mercury (Wayne Vickers, Gene Lanham, Don Pruett, BIll Sirois, Odell Lewis, Richie Powers, John Stenbach, John Sherlock, etc..) had literally thousands of hours in small runabouts, cats, wings, hydros, skiffs and anything else you can imagine. They drove them FULL TIME and got paid for it..........

The same was true of Bill Seebold except he drove at Lake X, Oshkosh, and on his local waters in St Louis testing his own hulls. Couple that to his childhood and young adult years spent racing Outboard hydros, his later Inboard hydro experience and you have the reason why he, along with Sirois, are the two greatest boat racers who ever lived....IMHO.

T2x

[jerry]

skaters are like point and shoot cameras , just aim and go !!!!
v bottoms are like slr cameras , you must drive it !!!!!!!
p.s did linder- luhrs invent the wheel you speak of ?

[Dirk Pitt]

You didn't read the whole post....

JT started as an OPC racer....wheel and throttle....little boats...... He can do it all....just like somebody else we both know.;) Many of the great T-men started in OPC, stock outboard hydros and runabouts, or short course inboards (Sirois, Gilbreath, Powers, Imprescia, Tomlinson, Fountain, Robertson...etc, etc). That's why they are head and shoulders over the other guys. JT's point was if you can handle the smaller boats (I'm sure the 24 Skater was used as an example...not an absolute)...you are MUCH better equipped to race the big ones.

Guys who came out of Mercury (Wayne Vickers, Gene Lanham, Don Pruett, BIll Sirois, Odell Lewis, Richie Powers, John Stenbach, John Sherlock, etc..) had literally thousands of hours in small runabouts, cats, wings, hydros, skiffs and anything else you can imagine. They drove them FULL TIME and got paid for it..........

The same was true of Bill Seebold except he drove at Lake X, Oshkosh, and on his local waters in St Louis testing his own hulls. Couple that to his childhood and young adult years spent racing Outboard hydros, his later Inboard hydro experience and you have the reason why he, along with Sirois, are the two greatest boat racers who ever lived....IMHO.

T2x


so basicly what your saying, when I get into a big one with you know who,as he throttles and I drive, Im well equipped, or well indowed?:eek::rolleyes::D

[Pro300x24LD]

you all bow to the abilities that up_roktoy has....

[Dirk Pitt]

you all bow to the abilities that up_roktoy has....


:thumbsup:

[T2x]

skaters are like point and shoot cameras , just aim and go !!!!
v bottoms are like slr cameras , you must drive it !!!!!!!
p.s did linder- luhrs invent the wheel you speak of ?

Dunkin Donuts is having a two for one sale all week..........

Enjoy yourself.

T2x

[T2x]

so basicly what your saying, when I get into a big one with you know who,as he throttles and I drive, Im well equipped, or well indowed?:eek::rolleyes::D

Somehow I missed the period where you worked at Lake X.......:D

T2x

[T2x]

you all bow to the abilities that up_roktoy has....

Excessive flatulence is not necessarily an "ability".:D:D:D

[Dirk Pitt]

Somehow I missed the period where you worked at Lake X.......:D

T2x

never said I worked at Lake X, but a heck of a lot of testing on the GSB:thumbsup:

and stop picking on jerry, you know how he feels about Dunkin Dounuts, but I thought I saw him at Carvel;)

[Dd24skater]

I think the way the 24 handles is can be best compaired to the larger cats, things will happen much faster in that hull and if you can control what the 24 gives you the larger cats will be very similar.

[Pro300x24LD]

Excessive flatulence is not necessarily an "ability".:D:D:D
busted :(

[jerry]

thats not flatulence t2x , its your breath blowing back in your face :o

[Pro300x24LD]

thats Not Flatulence T2x , Its Your Breath Blowing Back In Your Face :o:d:d:d

[T2x]

thats not flatulence t2x , its your breath blowing back in your face :o

Never fear....Jerry's in the fray......

It never ceases to amaze me how you manage to write so much with so little to say.........and so much to eat.:p


T2x

[jerry]

Keep Your Hands Clear!