HARDY DAM Hardy Party 2008 sandbar trash talk

[pyro]

It's about that time again. Who's eating who's roost in front of the sandbar this year?

http://i36.tinypic.com/ztggg4.jpg

New video footage from 2007:
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http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=40485964

Also on Youtube with crappier quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KcFjteh_CY

[JrCRXHF]

I get last place.

Still need to get rid of the pontoon motor on my boat and get a SST-60.

[mercdrag2.5]

chad, you will see ol blue hand rob his a$$ like he still had a yamaha on the back! :D

[ken medendorp]

Let the games begin:cheers:

[mercdrag2.5]

Let the games begin:cheers:
hay ken let me help you.

ken said he was lookin for gtrain to see who has the fastest stv in michigan!!:reddevil: :iagree:

no need to thank me ken.

[pyro]

There's sandbar truth to be found in my video from last year, which I still need to edit and post. Thank you for your patience.

Skip retired the Glastron, right? Who's gonna line 'em up with the PyroCraft this year?

[Stitch King]

This year I'm running a 22 Bennington with a 50 merc!

[Wolverine]

But don't fret there Pyro, Skip will be all over you again this year with his Skater 18. Ol' Blue.........she's always a runner. I think I'll be puttin' some flower pots in her back seat just to make the ol' girl feel at home.:D Maybe even sneek a few 50lb bags of potting soil in the sides while I'm at it.;)
Will we ever see a race between Ken and G-train????? Every year Ken goes out trolling, but he can't get the G to bite. The train won't leave the station.:rolleyes::

[pyro]

Is it the Skater in the photo above? on the left side? With the blue stripe 2.4?

[mercdrag2.5]

Is it the Skater in the photo above? on the left side? With the blue stripe 2.4?
no, it is black with a 260:)

[pyro]

Oh poop, I'm in trouble. Weigh it down good while he's sleeping, Rob.

[mercdrag2.5]

This year I'm running a 22 Bennington with a 50 merc!
what about the new boat??

[RichS]

Think I can get a Sawhorse to come out and play:cheers:

[Wolverine]

Think I can get a Sawhorse to come out and play:cheers:
I sure hope so. I watched em out testing awhile back. The Q-shot doesn't look quite as strong as their old Mirage. It should be a good, close race.;):D

[NVRFASTENUFF]

I'm gonna try and make it up there, never been. Sounds like fun.

[pyro]

New footage from Hardy 2007 has arrived:

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[qmaster023]

planning to leave wed. and drive out to Stich Kings ( ken wolkens house ) going to come for friday and saturday leave early sunday. can't wait to meet up with all you guys. Can't decide which boat to bring.

[pyro]

We have a lot of fun at the sandbar on Sunday afternoon, and well into the evening.
Don't leave too early! :D

I'm going to re-render and re-post that video. It came out looking terrible.

[JrCRXHF]

looks like fun i am plan on being there for sure this year.

[mercdrag2.5]

New footage from Hardy 2007 has arrived:

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nice shots chad!!:thumbsup: I need to give jeff some driving lessons.... hes so under tucked the boats jumping off the water.:nonod:

[pyro]

I almost yanked the last race from the video, I was a little worried that Pam would freak out if she saw it again. :eek:

[merctech1979]

awesome video!!! the best part is the the drag racing!!:thumbsup: wish i was there:(

[mercdrag2.5]

awesome video!!! the best part is the the drag racing!!:thumbsup: wish i was there:(
...well you may no be able to make it but the motor that was on your boat will be and it will be lookin!! :cheers: :D

[pyro]

The original combination makes a few nice drag passes in the 2005 Hardy video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MeRQZRKoAc

There's more video like that on my YouTube channel.

[merctech1979]

damm ......small world!!:)

[Wolverine]

chad, you will see ol blue hand rob his a$$ like he still had a yamaha on the back! :D
Looks like I'll be out front and taking the win then.........:cheers:

[Stitch King]

Can't decide which boat to bring.

These STV and Mirage guys need to see the Quartermaster.....:D

[Wolverine]

Good luck with that in Hardy Party waters. Better use the launch near the sandbar.

[mercdrag2.5]

Looks like I'll be out front and taking the win then.........:cheers:
:nonod: :leaving:

[mercdrag2.5]

These STV and Mirage guys need to see the Quartermaster.....:D
bring it!! we will find someone for him to run. :D

[pyro]

What Quartermaster? Who?

[Wolverine]

What Quartermaster? Who?
Ben Lerew's Quartermaster. It would be nice to see a few different outboards this year. There's a yellow Mirage RR out of the Secord camp that wants a piece of the action.:thumbsup: I hear Kibbey is first on his hit list.:eek::eek:

[pyro]

I also uploaded to MySpace.
This video is WAY better quality than YouTube can offer:
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[amatosanger]

I'll be there this year with my car mota junk pile.....hope I can keep up with you guys :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZnEv7iD_YY

[Unchained]

[QUOTE=amatosanger;1432316]I'll be there this year with my car mota junk pile.....hope I can keep up with you guys :D

You'll do OK as long as,
You don't run it anywhere but the sandbar,
You don't have to make any turns at all,
And there are no waves larger than a duck swimming by :D

[amatosanger]

[quote=amatosanger;1432316]I'll be there this year with my car mota junk pile.....hope I can keep up with you guys :D

You'll do OK as long as,
You don't run it anywhere but the sandbar,
You don't have to make any turns at all,
And there are no waves larger than a duck swimming by :D

LOL sounds like some good strategy......I'll see you there Mark :cheers:

[pyro]

I've got a new prop to try out.

Y'all are in for a surprise... :rolleyes:

[mercdrag2.5]

I've got a new prop to try out.

Y'all are in for a surprise... :rolleyes:
....so should skip worry??:D

[pyro]

Maybe. How heavy is that little Skater? Does it have the center pod?

[mercdrag2.5]

Maybe. How heavy is that little Skater? Does it have the center pod?
as of the last time I saw the boat ,its no lite weight and he dont have it running like the glasstron. you may have right where you want him. :D :leaving:

[KIBBEY]

well boys all this talking and i have nothing to say..but i'm putting mine for sale,must go,,:(but theres a good chance i'll still have her in 3 weeks,so lets get it on:D:thumbsup:

[Wolverine]

With what????? You can't haul two boats. Besides, you'll be at Consumers all weekend in the Checkmate. Have fun will all the drunk-a$$'s walking all over the bow of that new boat.:cheers: It just won't be the same without you and your Mirage at the sandbar.:(

[JrCRXHF]

My brother and i are going to be out on the river this weekend we might even run all the way down we will see how big the waves are.

We are going to run the small boats this weekend because the wifes are gone.

[mercdrag2.5]

me, jeff and mark will be up this weeked. were going up river early saturday so big daddy you know what boat to bring!! ;)

[Wolverine]

You're all gonna be on Pam's pontoon eh? Looks like I'll just have to wait 'til Hot Boat to run ya.:leaving:
Since Kibbey is out of the picture now, I'll be starting at the bottom of the food chain again. So who ya gonna pic for me to run first? NVRFASTENUFF???? Quarter mile drags. No 700' stuff at Hardy.

[Stitch King]

Quarter mile drags. No 700' stuff at Hardy.

:iagree:
Never understood that short track stuff.

[pyro]

Quarter mile drags. No 700' stuff at Hardy.

So, it's a difficult decision for me:
Do I chase my opponent from a distance?
Or do I get out in front and get smoked at half-track?

Are we allowed to drop a few buoys?

[mercdrag2.5]

You're all gonna be on Pam's pontoon eh? Looks like I'll just have to wait 'til Hot Boat to run ya.:leaving:
Since Kibbey is out of the picture now, I'll be starting at the bottom of the food chain again. So who ya gonna pic for me to run first? NVRFASTENUFF???? Quarter mile drags. No 700' stuff at Hardy.
:iagree: yep, pam said she wants some of holly!!
your not off this weekend?..... I need to get warmed up for the cold water boys!! I hear this year there going to show!! :reddevil: ;):D
tom :leaving:

[mercdrag2.5]

So, it's a difficult decision for me:
Do I chase my opponent from a distance?
Or do I get out in front and get smoked at half-track?

Are we allowed to drop a few buoys?
I wouldent put buoys out! ....if anything ever happend :nonod:, need I say more? :leaving:

[JrCRXHF]

i would just mark it by a "fishing boat" on the side or u could even go by a tree on the side per say.

[pyro]

The stump downriver of the sandbar, and the upstream end of the sandbar tend to be the usual start/end points, right? Isn't it around 1000-1200 feet?

[Wolverine]

I wouldent put buoys out! ....if anything ever happend :nonod:, need I say more? :leaving:
I agree with that one. Don't mess with a good thing. The marine patrol pretty much leaves us alone at the sandbar. They know we race. Start rubbing it in their faces by marking off a coarse and you're stirring up trouble that we surely don't need. There are very few places that you can race and not be bothered. Lets keep it that way!:cheers:

[pyro]

Sure, I wouldn't change a thing. Hardy is one of my favorite places. :)

[mercdrag2.5]

The stump downriver of the sandbar, and the upstream end of the sandbar tend to be the usual start/end points, right? Isn't it around 1000-1200 feet?
you can run 1320 before the sandbar.

[pyro]

Hmmm, that would put me on the rev limiter for about 750 feet. Ouch.
I've got a 22 you can borrow if I can borrow that worked "23"... :thumbsup:
(was it Jeff or Tom that owns the "dan" 23?)

[Wolverine]

you can run 1320 before the sandbar.
Yep. The Coldwater boys ain't gonna know what to do with that distance and speed...........if any of em even show.:leaving:

[mercdrag2.5]

Hmmm, that would put me on the rev limiter for about 750 feet. Ouch.
I've got a 22 you can borrow if I can borrow that worked "23"... :thumbsup:
(was it Jeff or Tom that owns the "dan" 23?)
the 23 is jeff's

[Wolverine]

22's??? I'll be running a 26 Stinger:thumbsup:......maybe even the new Stinger 4 if testing shows promise.

[mercdrag2.5]

22's??? I'll be running a 26 Stinger:thumbsup:......maybe even the new Stinger 4 if testing shows promise.
yep 22!!! 16"/22 :D
where can I get 1 of these 4 blade stingers?? I might need 1. :thumbsup:

[Wolverine]

yep 22!!! 16"/22 :D
where can I get 1 of these 4 blade stingers?? I might need 1. :thumbsup:
I'll be testing the first one out of the cast. Maybe I'll let ya try it.

[KIBBEY]

With what????? You can't haul two boats. Besides, you'll be at Consumers all weekend in the Checkmate. Have fun will all the drunk-a$$'s walking all over the bow of that new boat.:cheers: It just won't be the same without you and your Mirage at the sandbar.:(

the checkmate is up north already,i'll have the mirage hardy party,,the only reason i'm selling is so i can get something faster, newer.i will come to play.besides i have to let jeff get some pride back:eek:

[Scott Gilmore]

Hey, are there any BARS in that area ?? Scott :D:cheers:

[pyro]

Yes, there's a nice SANDbar, we'll tell you all about it on Monday afternoon when you wake up.

I guess it my turn to supply the Private Stock, right?

[Scott Gilmore]

Yes, there's a nice SANDbar, we'll tell you all about it on Monday afternoon when you wake up.

I guess it my turn to supply the Private Stock, right?

That's a big 10-4 good buddy !! Scott :cheers:

[Stitch King]

I'll be testing the first one out of the cast. Maybe I'll let ya try it.


Clue me in...Is this a new prop design?

[Wolverine]

Clue me in...Is this a new prop design?
Yes.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Stitch King]

How bout a PM with details???? The suspense is killing me. :)

[Unchained]

:iagree:
Never understood that short track stuff.

I do, My balls start to schrivel up at the 1/8 mi point. :eek:

[ken medendorp]

I want to go fast and drink with the speed Gods

[mercdrag2.5]

How bout a PM with details???? The suspense is killing me. :)
:iagree: rob will have to pm you, he knows the scoop on it, and has the official test boat. :D but it might be under wrap;s till he race's the cold water boys @ hardy party. :reddevil:

[Wolverine]

There are few details that I am at liberty to pass on, but this could be the new cutting edge.:thumbsup: The Stinger 3 friggin' rocks.:eek::cheers: Patent pending.

[mercdrag2.5]

There are few details that I am at liberty to pass on, but this could be the new cutting edge.:thumbsup: The Stinger 3 friggin' rocks.:eek::cheers: Patent pending.
I hear sawhorse liked it on his boat!!:D and is first in line for 1. :iagree: :thumbsup:

[JrCRXHF]

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[Wolverine]

STINGER 4 BABY!!!!!!!:eek::thumbsup::cheers:

[mercdrag2.5]

STINGER 4 BABY!!!!!!!:eek::thumbsup::cheers:
next time we are trading props!! :iagree: ;)

[pyro]

You're dead-serious, aren't you?

Is it a thru-hub prop with a bolt in the side of the hub?

[mercdrag2.5]

You're dead-serious, aren't you?

Is it a thru-hub prop with a bolt in the side of the hub?
I CANT SAY NOW......BUT THE STINGER 4 IS WAY TO REAL!! :eek:

[mercdrag2.5]

chad, here is the new boat on the river to worry about. :eek:

[Unchained]

chad, here is the new boat on the river to worry about. :eek:

I saw that boat on Grand River about 5 years ago.
That dude intended to try to break the record of running the great lakes from chicago to detroit, and its a jet drive. :eek:

La la land........:eek:

[mercdrag2.5]

oh kibby, you better look out there's a euro looking for you soon!! :D :leaving:

[Wolverine]

I heard that there is a new one in the area...........ain't seen it yet though.

[KIBBEY]

heading up saturday night,for labor day weekend,,just seeing whos going to be around. would be nice to get a few races in befor next weekend .

[JrCRXHF]

going to be up in mesick this weekend with the brother.


Have a good one see you in a week down at hardy

keep the wet side down.

[Wolverine]

going to be up in mesick this weekend with the brother.
Ahhh yes, Mesick.........the morel mushroom capitol of the world!!:thumbsup:

[ken medendorp]

Going Hardy Saturday 8/30. Have beer will travel:cheers:

[Wolverine]

Gotta work Saturday, but will be there Sunday.

[Scott Gilmore]

I'll be there Fri - Mon in my new boat OR a white Allison Grand Sport. Flag me down anyone & we'll drink BEERS. Scott :cheers:

[mercdrag2.5]

I'll be there Fri - Mon in my new boat OR a white Allison Grand Sport. Flag me down anyone & we'll drink BEERS. Scott :cheers:
I hear you maybe be in a checkmate soon????:confused: :iagree:

[pyro]

I'll be pulling into Sandy Beach late Friday afternoon. I can safely assume you guys can be found down at the cove if the boats are all gone?

[Scott Gilmore]

I hear you maybe be in a checkmate soon????:confused: :iagree:
I think you might have your info VERY wrong !!! I'll be there this weekend & the next 3...........it's beerthirty. Scott :D

[ken medendorp]

I think you might have your info VERY wrong !!! I'll be there this weekend & the next 3...........it's beerthirty. Scott :D

Beer thirty is a beautiful thing:cheers:

[mercdrag2.5]

I'll be pulling into Sandy Beach late Friday afternoon. I can safely assume you guys can be found down at the cove if the boats are all gone?
hi chad, yes we will be just up river if we can get in friday, if not we will be @ brower park most likely. tom :cheers:

[mercdrag2.5]

I think you might have your info VERY wrong !!! I'll be there this weekend & the next 3...........it's beerthirty. Scott :D
what???what??? thats just what I heard! ;) you want the lib?? :confused:

[mercdrag2.5]

hay ken, did you get my prop? hows it look?? see you saturday. tom :cheers:

[Scott Gilmore]

what???what??? thats just what I heard! ;) you want the lib?? :confused:

Yes it's possible I might want the Liberator !! Got to keep up with all you big boat guys. Scott :cheers:

[mercdrag2.5]

Yes it's possible I might want the Liberator !! Got to keep up with all you big boat guys. Scott :cheers:
:reddevil:well were is all the trash talk? who's racing who???:D
chad vs jon K in scotts new boat??:eek:
rob with his new??? vs???????? sorry rob ...I talked to scott:eek::iagree::icon_bs:
jeff vs kibby take 2??;)

lets near it!!:cheers:

[JRider]

How bout Jeb vs Jeff vs Kibby?

[Wolverine]

How bout Jeb vs Jeff vs Kibby?
OH BOY.........This is gonna be good!

[JrCRXHF]

Sounds like it should be fun to watch.

Is most everyone going to be up river. I am going to have one pontoon with me and my brother. They want to go down river by the damn but i head that is hard to get in and out of.

[Kartracer]

Just curious when this is? I haven't seen any info on it.

[JrCRXHF]

This weekend starting on Friday-Sunday night

[JRider]

OH BOY.........This is gonna be good!

Rob...I am definately the underdog. A 260 that has never been touched and cant find a damn chip to get past the limiter.

Anybody have some chips for me to try? A48 A63?

[RichS]

I have a couple of extra a63 chips. I'll be at the sand bar Saturday morning for the day. Look for the red Ally Drag boat:D

[JRider]

Sounds good. I have a black regulator...is it compatible?

[RichS]

That is the regulator that you need for the a63 chip.

[mercdrag2.5]

Sounds like it should be fun to watch.

Is most everyone going to be up river. I am going to have one pontoon with me and my brother. They want to go down river by the damn but i head that is hard to get in and out of.
we will be down river on friday and then up for sat and sun. :cheers:

[Wolverine]

Got a new Stinger 3 today. Looks pretty cool.:thumbsup:

[mercdrag2.5]

Got a new Stinger 3 today. Looks pretty cool.:thumbsup:
is that the 1 I tryed last weekend?

[Wolverine]

is that the 1 I tryed last weekend?
A new Stinger 3, not the one you tried. This one is even more radical.:thumbsup:

[ken medendorp]

Have you Guys ever tried a Stinger Excaliber tripple x

[Wolverine]

Have you Guys ever tried a Stinger Excaliber tripple x
That was the first design. Never tried that one.

[Scott Gilmore]

Have you Guys ever tried a Stinger Excaliber tripple x

I have, pretty sure it was BEER though..............got me pretty buzzed !!! Scott :D

[mercdrag2.5]

chad are you bringing your 30 cleaver??

[Wolverine]

chad are you bringing your 30 cleaver??
and his 22 Yamaha.......:eek:

[pyro]

chad are you bringing your 30 cleaver??


and his 22 Yamaha.......:eek:

Yes, and yes. The cleaver ran 117 on a medium-light layup ProComp with a stock 260. When are we going to test some props?

I'd kinda like to see how that 22 compares to Jeff's 23 Tillman Yammy. :D

[mercdrag2.5]

Yes, and yes. The cleaver ran 117 on a medium-light layup ProComp with a stock 260. When are we going to test some props?

I'd kinda like to see how that 22 compares to Jeff's 23 Tillman Yammy. :D
if we get some smooth water I would like to try the 30 and I have a 22 yammy aswell that tillman did :D

[pyro]

coooooooooooll... :cool:

[demos21]

MISSING HARDY!!!
Anybody got photos from this year at Hardy? I had a baby in the end of May, and have not made it up this year. I know, I suck.

[Kartracer]

MISSING HARDY!!!
Anybody got photos from this year at Hardy? I had a baby in the end of May, and have not made it up this year. I know, I suck.

Here are my pictures: http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l50/kartracer_01/Hardy%202008/

I am going to be starting a picture thread shortly.

[JrCRXHF]

I got a few good ones of the boats but i will wait tell the pic thread comes up.

[Wolverine]

Saturday was busy as always. The forcast called for a mostly sunny day in the mid 70's. The sun fought with the clouds all day, we even had a short rain shower at the sandbar. Consumers beach was already crowded at 9 am when we headed up river. When we came back at around 7pm., the gathering of boats was huge. A great day overall.
Sunday turned out to be a nice day. We finally did some racing at the sandbar. Pyro had a great day of racing. His hydrostream was running strong! The boat took a set and ran like it was on rails.......straight as an arrow on every pass. Nice driving Chad.:thumbsup:

[Phil's other half...Sue.]

Hi Pyro,
What kind of camera and lens do you use???? I love the quality and color that is in your pics......all my equipment is Canon and a few Tamron lenses but after investing so much money into Canon I am still not happy with my pics, your pics are fantastic.

[JrCRXHF]

Pyro has a nice setup and he knows how to use it.

He has a D80 body with really nice glass on there he told me the model of the VR lens but i don't remember.

[Phil's other half...Sue.]

Thanks for the info. I had a feeling it was Nikon, the colors are much more vibrant in a Nikon than Canon. I feel like selling all my stuff on ebay and buying a Nikon. Yes, your absolutely right Pyro sure does know how to use it. Shaun's pics with his Nikon are totally amazing also. I am so disappointed I made this mistake with Canon and I just keep buying new lenses to compensate but I am still not happy. Thanks again.....Sue

[pyro]

It all depends on who's holding the camera and what setting they've chosen.
I take a LOT of bad photos. Those photos are very valuable, those are the mistakes I learn from. You've made no such mistake going Canon vs Nikon.

Patience and experience goes a long way...

I'll be posting my Hardy photos later today.

[Kartracer]

It all depends on who's holding the camera and what setting they've chosen.
I take a LOT of bad photos. Those photos are very valuable, those are the mistakes I learn from. You've made no such mistake going Canon vs Nikon.

Patience and experience goes a long way...

I'll be posting my Hardy photos later today.

x2

I take hundreds of more pictures than I publish. I am not happy with any of the pictures I took Saturday. I guess my mind was on other things and not the camera...

BTW, nice meeting those of you that I did.

[JrCRXHF]

Pic's location from the weekend.

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167782

[Phil's other half...Sue.]

Thanks!!!! can't wait to see more pics....I guess I will have to take another photo class lol. I am still having a hard time with manual settings and I hate using P mode.....I love pictures, good pictures like yours!!!!!!

[demos21]

Pics are great. (better than I could do) Looking forward to getting up there again. I miss the partying and the people. I used to go about every weekend and will again next year. Who would of thought a newborn could make your life change so drastically. I guess I'll have to start missing the birthday suit admiring now.:(

[pyro]

I put up some photos as well:
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167796

[Phil's other half...Sue.]

Totally Awesome Shots...love The One With The Sky.

[ken medendorp]

Had Tons of fun.Thanks to Tom and Mark for putting up with my Snoring and feeding me.Thanks to Rob for the shelter from the rain.Thanks to Chad for the great pics.
I never saw so many boats at Consumers beach,My Goddd

[drasticplastic]

Nice pic's Chad and Kartracer.

[pyro]

Thanks Jon! Nice boat, by the way.

So yeah, the ol' Hydrostream was kinda beating up on the 2.5's at the sandbar, huh? What's up with that?

[drasticplastic]

Thank's Chad for the complement on the Lib..

Yep, set-up and driving can over come a bigger motor any day. And you look to have that covered on both bases.