Warranty

[Dirk Pitt]

Should a warranty stay with a boat?, or should it end if a boat is sold?

What the difference if a boat is sold?, when its sold does the boat transform into some inferior rendition of its orginal form?

Does it start to become lesser of a product due to a title change?

Does resin, epoxy, and fiberglass change by some mystical transformation due to a different ass sitting in the drivers seat?

When we buy any manufactered product, wheather its a TV, automobile, appliance, the warranties stay with the product. Just imagine if it didnt, how long would Sony, or Maytag, Toyota,Honda, Ford etc etc etc, stay in business?

[flabum1017]

Depends on the manufacturer. Some allow the warranty to transfer, some don't.

IMO the warranty should go full term regardless of ownership.

[1BadAction]

Does resin, epoxy, and fiberglass change by some mystical transformation due to a different ass sitting in the drivers seat?

depends on if that ass puts ethanol in it or not. :D

:leaving:

[Dirk Pitt]

depends on if that ass puts ethanol in it or not. :D

:leaving:

is it ethanal or methan?:D

[flabum1017]

is it ethanal or methan?:D

Depends on how much corn you eat :leaving:

[philip12]

Yes, it is just an excuse for a builder to get off of a warranty that he didn’t want to honor to begin with. Anytime you see that “First Owner” stipulation, it speaks volumes about the integrity of the manufacturer. Can you imagine “Anderson” Window Company, or “Pella” Window Company putting that kind of stipulation on the new windows that are in your house? Or Jeep doing that with the 2-year-old Grand Cherokee some one buys? We do have that stipulation from one of our suppliers in my business, and they are the shakiest supplier we have,, The warranty is only in effect for the original purchaser, Very shady, and even if you are the original purchaser they still will try to always get out of their obligation. I think their warranty claim forms, ask if the windows were bought on the first day of the summer solstice, in a leap year, and on a cloudy day, if not NO WARRANTY. I think Trick powerboats would be very silly not to warranty this boat, all of his work on this forum would be in the toilet, and the stipulation should never be in their warranty papers. Wiw Trick powerboats reply to this issue yet?

Philip

[Dirk Pitt]

Yes, it is just an excuse for a builder to get off of a warranty that he didn’t want to honor to begin with. Anytime you see that “First Owner” stipulation, it speaks volumes about the integrity of the manufacturer. Can you imagine “Anderson” Window Company, or “Pella” Window Company putting that kind of stipulation on the new windows that are in your house? Or Jeep doing that with the 2-year-old Grand Cherokee some one buys? We do have that stipulation from one of our suppliers in my business, and they are the shakiest supplier we have,, The warranty is only in effect for the original purchaser, Very shady, and even if you are the original purchaser they still will try to always get out of their obligation. I think their warranty claim forms, ask if the windows were bought on the first day of the summer solstice, in a leap year, and on a cloudy day, if not NO WARRANTY. I think Trick powerboats would be very silly not to warranty this boat, all of his work on this forum would be in the toilet, and the stipulation should never be in their warranty papers. Wiw Trick powerboats reply to this issue yet?

Philip

Hi Phil,

Jeff @ Trick already responded to that question, and there seems to be some underlying facts with this boat which makes it a hot potato.

Saying that, I totally agree with you, all of us, that are true business men know how important it is to take care of our customer base.

I say this " The customer is KING, for he can fire everyone from the CEO to the receptionist, simply by not bringing their business back to that establishment"

[Dirk Pitt]

IMPO, Warranty will only be as good as the company behind it or how much trust they have in there product!!

How many lifetime warranties to we have in our draws from companies that dont exsist any longer?

[tux974]

IMPO, Warranty is as good as the company behind it or how much trust they have in their product!!

[tux974]

How many lifetime warranties to we have in our draws from companies that dont exsist any longer?

Just as many broken items from companies that exist that will not honor their product for what ever reason or excuse they come up with.

I really do not want to make this a p***** contest. Buy what you believe in and trust is my advise.

[jerry]

just As Many Broken Items From Companies That Exist That Will Not Honor Their Product For What Ever Reason Or Excuse They Come Up With.

I Really Do Not Want To Make This A P***** Contest. buy What You Believe In And Trust Is My Advise.

Is That Buy A Progression ?

[tux974]

Is That Buy A Progression ?

You took the words right out of my mouth!! :thumbsup:;):D

[tigweld]

Second wifes don't come with warranty's??????????????????????



But what changes with a boat, does all the goodness go away??????????


Why is the boat inferior, what changes???????????????????????????

[baja200merk]

Is That Buy A Progression ?

no its a skater with a bunch of 6 gallon tanks under the back seat:thumbsup:

[Pro300x24LD]

Should a warranty stay with a boat?, or should it end if a boat is sold?Does a factory warranty stay with a car?

What the difference if a boat is sold?, when its sold does the boat transform into some inferior rendition of its orginal form?refer to above

Does it start to become lesser of a product due to a title change?Refer to above

Does resin, epoxy, and fiberglass change by some mystical transformation due to a different ass sitting in the drivers seat?Yes

When we buy any manufactered product, wheather its a TV, automobile, appliance, the warranties stay with the product. Just imagine if it didnt, how long would Sony, or Maytag, Toyota,Honda, Ford etc etc etc, stay in business?

I can't imagine a warranty not being transferred...further the whole accident thing keeps coming up....do the car manufacturers void a warranty on your car when you get into an accident?

[Scream And Fly]

do the car manufacturers void a warranty on your car when you get into an accident?

In certain instances, yes.

[Dirk Pitt]

I can't imagine a warranty not being transferred...further the whole accident thing keeps coming up....do the car manufacturers void a warranty on your car when you get into an accident?

If there was a accident it should be brought to the surface,

[SnakeBit]

Yes, it is just an excuse for a builder to get off of a warranty that he didn’t want to honor to begin with. Anytime you see that “First Owner” stipulation, it speaks volumes about the integrity of the manufacturer. Can you imagine “Anderson” Window Company, or “Pella” Window Company putting that kind of stipulation on the new windows that are in your house? Or Jeep doing that with the 2-year-old Grand Cherokee some one buys? We do have that stipulation from one of our suppliers in my business, and they are the shakiest supplier we have,, The warranty is only in effect for the original purchaser, Very shady, and even if you are the original purchaser they still will try to always get out of their obligation. I think their warranty claim forms, ask if the windows were bought on the first day of the summer solstice, in a leap year, and on a cloudy day, if not NO WARRANTY. I think Trick powerboats would be very silly not to warranty this boat, all of his work on this forum would be in the toilet, and the stipulation should never be in their warranty papers. Wiw Trick powerboats reply to this issue yet?

Philip
Phil I am shopping again if I buy new and thier is no transferable Warranty I am moving on it's a shame because I love the new checkmate's but if thier warranty ends with the first sale it will be a dead issue for me!!

[Pro300x24LD]

If there was a accident it should be brought to the surface,I agree completely. But what defines accident? Obvioulsy hitting shore, hitting another boat, etc. But In a boat, let's be honest, we abuse the crap out of these things, is a stuff an accident that or should that be warrantied? Or is that operator error and you should go after your insurance or pay out of pocket? What if you hit something in the water and it breaks the hull? How did you know you hit something? Maybe you didn't and it was a hard hit on a wave? How can the builder/fiberglass guy tell? What about ripping a transom out? I mean, if it's set up like the manufacturer set it up, yet you were jumping the boat and causing a lot of stress to the transom, are you to blame? Should it hold up to that?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I think it would be REAL easy for a manufactuer to deny warranty by simply claiming you were abusing the boat or not taking care of it.....

In certain instances, yes.I was unaware of that. I was always under the assumption that if you did get in an accident and used an authorized repair facility that the car would still be covered under the standard mfg warranty....

[RobF]

as far as warranty goes- if you hit something, its generally not covered, thats when insurance picks it up.

Now if you have cracks in the boat, and NO sign of impact- then insurance usually denies the claim, because damage from running the boat is not covered, it then falls under manufacturer defects or wear and tear.

Warranty coverage can vary, but a good company will usually go out of thier way to keep a customer happy, but its also a 2 way street- threatning with lawyers and internet trashing is not a good way of getting things and sadly alot of people these days only tell the bad side of things and not the good.
I have seen boats 5-10+ years out of warranty gets taken care of, and countless times I have seen plenty of good will where deductables were covered or replacement parts were paid for, 50% of repair costs picked up, etc..

If you let a shop, or a professional handle things for you the results are usually more favorable.

[Raceman]

I think there is one other issue worth mentioning here, ESPECIALLY since people are trying to use car warrantees as a parallel for what boat manufacturers should and shouldn't do.

Warrantees, especially long ones are basically sales incentives to entice a buyer. Warrantees in their purest state are intended to insure that a buyer is protected against a manufacturuing defect. Obviously warranting powertrains for 100K miles is more of an incentive than a protection against manufuacturing defect. It's really little more than an insurance policy. There have been vehicle warrantees in the past that did not transfer, and some extended warrantees now have transfer fees that can range from 50 bucks to several hundred.

The point is, if a boat manufacturer offers a long warranty to entice buyers, he doesn't have the same incentive to offer long term warranty to someone who's a second or third buyer since he's not going to make any money off of subsequent sales of a used boat. Also, warranties are all about the numbers. Manufacturers will openly admit that they have X number of dollars figured in their sales prices for warranty reserves/costs. The reserves (read this as percentage tacked on to retail price of the item new) would likely be higher with a transferable warranty than without for that very reason.

So I guess the question for all of those who think they have a unique insight into how manufacturers SHOULD handle their warranties, the question becomes, how much do you want to pay for it on the front side.

[Wayne Cammidge]

Well said Raceman.
I know that I would rather buy a boat that I know the manufacturer would warranty for so many years to the original owner over a boat that has a much shorter warranty even if transferable.
Second and Third owners onward seem to be much harder on the product than the original owner normally is. Better looked after, better maintained, babied more.
Also the average boat owners use cycle is taken into account when working out these long Warrantees. The Average boat owner has a relatively high usage in the first year, declining a huge amount over the next 2 years, with very little use from year 3.
Now you keep giving it new users and its high duty cycle keeps getting repeated, without the care and maintenance.
No wonder manufactures are reluctant

[philip12]

Hi Anthony, I hope you find that perfect boat, your lake seems to get very rough, tough search, I would think a 21' to 24' single engine cat would be the ticket. Too bad Skater stopped making them.

Raceman, very insightful !

Philip

[Ospreyproduction]

If I recall correctly, Mercury didn't offer a warranty at all on 280 ROS motors.....they are a pretty big company.

Here's a better question, if you bought a 3 year old 280 from the second owner, you being the 3rd owner, and you popped the powerhead....would you call Mercury and expect them to fix it for free?:eek::eek::eek:

[screwedbayou]

Well said Raceman.
I know that I would rather buy a boat that I know the manufacturer would warranty for so many years to the original owner over a boat that has a much shorter warranty even if transferable.
Second and Third owners onward seem to be much harder on the product than the original owner normally is. Better looked after, better maintained, babied more.
Also the average boat owners use cycle is taken into account when working out these long Warrantees. The Average boat owner has a relatively high usage in the first year, declining a huge amount over the next 2 years, with very little use from year 3.
Now you keep giving it new users and its high duty cycle keeps getting repeated, without the care and maintenance.
No wonder manufactures are reluctant
wow that is an eye-opening stat

[SnakeBit]

If I recall correctly, Mercury didn't offer a warranty at all on 280 ROS motors.....they are a pretty big company.

Here's a better question, if you bought a 3 year old 280 from the second owner, you being the 3rd owner, and you popped the powerhead....would you call Mercury and expect them to fix it for free?:eek::eek::eek:

If the warrenty was based on time and hours - why not!! First of all any boat or motor mfg. is getting a break because a boat and the motor that powers it is a recreational vechile and its time is limited to that. I currently own a 2.5 - 280 that has 60 hrs.on it, because I am the third owner should I be denied warrenty. The fact is this if my motor was still owned by (Andy Driver and it had the same hours) thier still would be no warrenty because mercury at best would limit it to two years when they full knowledge that at best the average boating season is 6 mos. or less. As far as the boat is it fair that I own a boat with as many hrs. and this same boat had a defective fuel cell in it, and because I am the third owner was the reason I am not considered warrenty on the fuel cell - Hek the boat is virtually brand new!!!. I will buy from someone who shows me the same faith in thier product that they ask us as consumers to have in the product they wish to sell me.

[Dirk Pitt]

So I guess the question for all of those who think they have a unique insight into how manufacturers SHOULD handle their warranties, the question becomes, how much do you want to pay for it on the front side.
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If I purchase something Im usually concerned about what type of warranty comes with my purchase,and how a company will handle warranty claims, and the more they take care of my warranty issues, the probability of me coming back is high, if they turn thier back on me, and start pointing fingers, I would become a disgruntle customer,and they would never see me again, and of course anyone who ask me would know how dissatisfied I was with thier product, but the great companies, with high rates of customer loyalty, know that customer satifaction is everything, the notion of what it costs to do that, is something that I certainly know is built in. There are exclutions for every warranty, and there are very valid reasons why warranty claims are denined,but if something is used for the intention it was built for, and maintained properly, there shouldnt be any questions, of who pays.
If I buy a airplane and fly it in turbulance and compromise a wing spare, am I out of warranty?
If I buy a high performance boat and run it as hard as it can be run, and a part fails am I out of warranty?
In my opinion all this hoop-la could have been avoided, and some start up company could have come out smelling like a rose.

[jerry]

2 words -apple drywall - they suck !!!

[Frank Molé]

is it WINTER ALREADY :confused::eek::eek:

[GDM]

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maybe it was the boat owners fault , maybe he forgot to put on the tie bars :)


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[Ospreyproduction]

So I guess the question for all of those who think they have a unique insight into how manufacturers SHOULD handle their warranties, the question becomes, how much do you want to pay for it on the front side.
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If I purchase something Im usually concerned about what type of warranty comes with my purchase,and how a company will handle warranty claims, and the more they take care of my warranty issues, the probability of me coming back is high, if they turn thier back on me, and start pointing fingers, I would become a discruntle customer,and they would never see me again, and of course anyone who ask me would know how dissatisfied I was with thier product, but the great companies, with high rates of customer loyalty, know that customer satifaction is everything, the notion of what it costs to do that, is something that I certainly know is built in. There are exclutions for every warranty, and there are very valid reasons why warranty claims are denined,but if something is used for the intention it was built for, and maintained properly, there shouldnt be any questions, of who pays.
If I buy a airplane and fly it in turbulance and compromise a wing spare, am I out of warranty?
If I buy a high performance boat and run it as hard as it can be run, and a part fails am I out of warranty?
In my opinion all this hopla could have been avoided, and some start up company could have come out smelling like a rose.

You are forgetting one very important point. The warranty was not in effect. ie..NOT UNDER WARRANTY means.....No longer under warranty. He did nothing to void the warranty, because it wasn't under warranty.

What part of "NOT UNDER WARRANTY" do you not understand.

[Pro300x24LD]

Here's a better question, if you bought a 3 year old 280 from the second owner, you being the 3rd owner, and you popped the powerhead....would you call Mercury and expect them to fix it for free?:eek::eek::eek:If they offered a warranty on it yes, but we all know they don't. I thought the question was "should a warranty transfer". That being the case I dont see what the difference is between a 2 year warranty, and a 2 year transferable warranty really. It's still 2 years. I guess thats how I would do it anyway.


is it WINTER ALREADY :confused::eek::eek:
For me its been 3-4 weeks of winter now :(

[RobF]

the case you guys are talking about would seem that the original owner brought it to the manufactures attention a great deal of time prior to the sale and was told the issues were nothing to be concerned about , and if it ever was an issue it would be taken care of- or something along those lines.

[Ospreyproduction]

the case you guys are talking about would seem that the original owner brought it to the manufactures attention a great deal of time prior to the sale and was told the issues were nothing to be concerned about , and if it ever was an issue it would be taken care of- or something along those lines.

Funny how the second owner didn't mention it to the 3rd owner.

[tigweld]

I belive the third owner was with the second owner, at that time:thumbsup:

[Ospreyproduction]

I belive the third owner was with the second owner, at that time:thumbsup:

No, the first owner was an owner and never became a dealer. So the 3rd owner was the 3rd owner.

[tigweld]

Who's on first???????????

I give.:confused:

[Raceman]

I belive the third owner was with the second owner, at that time:thumbsup:


No, the first owner was an owner and never became a dealer. So the 3rd owner was the 3rd owner.


Who's on first???????????

I give.:confused:

But the now second owner became the 4th owner.:leaving::p

Kinda reminds me of one of my X employees who married his stepsister. His mother became his mother in law
His father became his father in law
His sister became his wife
His daughter was his neice

[Dirk Pitt]

You are forgetting one very important point. The warranty was not in effect. ie..NOT UNDER WARRANTY means.....No longer under warranty. He did nothing to void the warranty, because it wasn't under warranty.

What part of "NOT UNDER WARRANTY" do you not understand.

No maybe you dont understand, the boat according to what was posted was a 17 hr boat, and according to the post, the owner of the company was made aware of the issues, and stated he would address those issues, you see once again all someone would have had to do was the right thing, either fix it, good will parts, or good will labor, something, thats what smart business people would have done, It wasnt under warranty? because of a change of ownership?, is that what that boats warranty implies? And just for the record Ive seen Mercury good will parts on 2nd owner motors, why because they UNDERSTAND what the term CUSTOMER SATISFACTION means.
And also for the record, I bought a 15 year old 3rd or maybe even 4th owner boat, something failed and the manufacturer wrote a $7000.00 check to repair their OUT OF WARRANTY 15 YEAR OLD boat, why? Because like me they UNDERSTAND.

[SnakeBit]

No maybe you dont understand, the boat according to what was posted was a 17 hr boat, and according to the post, the owner of the company was made aware of the issues, and stated he would address those issues, you see once again all someone would have had to do was the right thing, either fix it, good will parts, or good will labor, something, thats what smart business people would have done, It wasnt under warranty? because of a change of ownership?, is that what that boats warranty implies? And just for the record Ive seen Mercury good will parts on 2nd owner motors, why because they UNDERSTAND what the term CUSTOMER SATISFACTION means.
And also for the record, I bought a 15 year old 3rd or maybe even 4th owner boat, something failed and the manufacturer wrote a $7000.00 check to repair their OUT OF WARRANTY 15 YEAR OLD boat, why? Because like me they UNDERSTAND.
You are wasting your time for what ever reason thier are those who believe they need to defend mfg's who will niether defend themselves or stand behind what they build.

[Dirk Pitt]

You are wasting your time for what ever reason thier are those who believe they need to defend mfg's who will niether defend themselves or stand behind what they build.

Your so right, thanks for the advise, But I would love to see if that Talon started falling apart, what would that guy do?, oh I know, he would just tell himself, "Oh well, Im not the orginal owner, let me just cut it up and throw it in a dumster, and spend another 30 or 40grand and start all over. Yea RIGHT!

[bulletbob]

Dirk. You don't know the whole story. I think there are only a handful of us on this site that know the whole story. I think it is sad that when the third owner, who has stated nothing in any of the posts concerning this matter, gets the second owner to do his talking for him. Then a lynch mob is formed to get Jeff. WITHOUT KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY!!!!! This matter, in my opinion, should have been between the "holder of the boat" and Jeff. I know Jeff and MR. 3rd owner personally and hate that it came to this for all concerned. This is why I don't post on here more often. To many arm chair quarterbacks!

[Dirk Pitt]

We were out tonight with about 10 boats all of which have read this thread, and all that were involved in the conversation about this issue, came to the same conclusion, why didnt the boat get fixed, or at least some sort of settlement.....
You are absolutly correct, I dont know the whole story, I only know what I have read, and in my opinion thats not good.
why is "THE Whole Story" such a secret? This isnt about arm chair quarterbacks, its about people who spend a lot of money on a product that is designed to withstand the vigors of its intended application, if it fails for whatever reason, thats acceptable, but to make the people that question the integrity of a company and how they handle such issues, the bad guys,in my opinion, that is only trying to change the focus of the true issue at hand.

[WILDMAN]

Sometimes a "bad attitude" will do enough to make the builder choose one side of the line versus the other. If someone starts threatening this or that, it's just gonna turn me against him more! You get more outta sugar than ship!

[Dirk Pitt]

Sometimes a "bad attitude" will do enough to make the builder choose one side of the line versus the other. If someone starts threatening this or that, it's just gonna turn me against him more! You get more outta sugar than ship!

Your so right, but they still are our customers, and our potential customers, and without them were in trouble..

[GDM]

its about people who spend a lot of money on a product that is designed to withstand the vigors of its intended application


if you are so pressed on the issue of exposing how a company is not doing the right thing , why dont you direct your anger at a bigger fish ?

take mercury for example , they sell you a 300x with a sportmaster gearcase calling it a "race" engine with a "race" gearcase (lets focus on the gearcase now)but when you use it for its intended use , the gearcase falls apart

that gearcase has a major design flaw , after one use , its "intened" use , a "race" or even hard recreational riding , the oil inside will look like a vanilla milk shake cause the water gets in it everytime

3 liter sportsmaster = complete junk , why not complain about that ? , it would make more sense than beating a dead horse on this topic


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[Dirk Pitt]

if you are so pressed on the issue of exposing how a company is not doing the right thing , why dont you direct your anger at a bigger fish ?

take mercury for example , they sell you a 300x with a sportmaster gearcase calling it a "race" engine with a "race" gearcase (lets focus on the gearcase now)but when you use it for its intended use , the gearcase falls apart

that gearcase has a major design flaw , after one use , its "intened" use , a "race" or even hard recreational riding , the oil inside will look like a vanilla milk shake cause the water gets in it everytime

3 liter sportsmaster = complete junk , why not complain about that ? , it would make more sense than beating a dead horse on this topic

Beating a dead horse, Mercury gear cases, what does any of that have to do with this boat we are talking about, anytime I have had an issue with Mercury Marine about a product that I have bought from them, they have stood behind it, whether it was complete replacment or if the item was out of warranty they have at least paid for the parts, its called comprimise it keeps customers coming back, but if your that unhappy with Mercury, go someplace else, thats what having choices is all about, so if someone chooses not buy something because of a bad experience with a particular company its their choice, I never once stated that Trick boats was a bad product, Its just my opinion that from "What I have Read" the situation was not handled properly. Like I said before all this hoop-la could have been avoided if there was comprimise.
And if you didnt know, if you buy a used 300x and a sportmaster and your the 2nd or 3rd owner and its still in the orginial warranty period guess what they are going to repair your milky gear case...
Hence name of topic "WARRANTY"

[stylishskier]

We were out tonight with about 10 boats all of which have read this thread, and all that were involved in the conversation about this issue, came to the same conclusion, why didnt the boat get fixed, or at least some sort of settlement.....
You are absolutly correct, I dont know the whole story, I only know what I have read, and in my opinion thats not good.
why is "THE Whole Story" such a secret? This isnt about arm chair quarterbacks, its about people who spend a lot of money on a product that is designed to withstand the vigors of its intended application, if it fails for whatever reason, thats acceptable, but to make the people that question the integrity of a company and how they handle such issues, the bad guys,in my opinion, that is only trying to change the focus of the true issue at hand.


[QUOTE=GDM;1422435]if you are so pressed on the issue of exposing how a company is not doing the right thing , why dont you direct your anger at a bigger fish ?

take mercury for example , they sell you a 300x with a sportmaster gearcase calling it a "race" engine with a "race" gearcase (lets focus on the gearcase now)but when you use it for its intended use , the gearcase falls apart

that gearcase has a major design flaw , after one use , its "intened" use , a "race" or even hard recreational riding , the oil inside will look like a vanilla milk shake cause the water gets in it everytime

3 liter sportsmaster = complete junk , why not complain about that ? , it would make more sense than beating a dead horse on this topic

Beating a dead horse, Mercury gear cases, what does any of that have to do with this boat we are talking about, anytime I have had an issue with Mercury Marine about a product that I have bought from them, they have stood behind it, whether it was complete replacment or if the item was out of warranty they have at least paid for the parts, its called comprimise it keeps customers coming back, but if your that unhappy with Mercury, go someplace else, thats what having choices is all about, so if someone chooses not buy something because of a bad experience with a particular company its their choice, I never once stated that Trick boats was a bad product, Its just my opinion that from "What I have Read" the situation was not handled properly. Like I said before all this hoop-la could have been avoided if there was comprimise.
And if you didnt know, if you buy a used 300x and a sportmaster and your the 2nd or 3rd owner and its still in the orginial warranty period guess what they are going to repair your milky gear case...
Hence name of topic "WARRANTY"

Dirk... put it to rest man, you have stated "I don't know the whole story" and "I only know what I've read"... well some people say what you've read isn't the whole story... so I hope we've gotten that far... Quit trying to smear Trick, its getting old and I'm glad your 15 yr old boat was repaired out of warranty, would it have anything to do with who you are... how come ALL superboats aren't corrected of their flaws! If Superboat had to take back all of their 21's and make them right instead of bullsh*t tie bars, the company would be BROKE. Theres tons of those boats out there... maybe everyone with a 21 super should go cry to the company and see what happens to the average JOE...

btw you never answered my PM...

[GDM]

what does any of that have to do with this boat we are talking about"



LOL , so i guess all this intended use crap only counts on the topics YOU want to bitch about

here is the scenario

lets go back a few years to when the 300x was still in production

you are thumbing you through your mercury "race" catalog and you see that ariel view of that 28 skater with twin 300x's and you think , man i got to have me one of those

so you plunk down almost 200 thousand dollars of your hard earned money on a 28 skater with twin 300x's , just like the one shown in the mercury "race" literature

you have it rigged right from mercury , you break it in exactly how the dealer told you

now your ready to use the boat the way it was intended to . so you go out and do only ONE measly hour of hard recreational riding with several top speed runs . when you get back you decide to dump the gearcase oil but what comes out does not resemble oil at all , what comes out is a vanilla milkshake looking substance . it is oil mixed with water . and this happens everytime you run the boat . and nobody at mercury can or will do a damn thing to help you

why arent you out fighting that fight ?

ill bet both of YOUR 300x's have had the vanilla milkshake problem


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[GDM]

how come ALL superboats aren't corrected of their flaws! If Superboat had to take back all of their 21's and make them right instead of bullsh*t tie bars, the company would be BROKE. Theres tons of those boats out there... maybe everyone with a 21 super should go cry to the company and see what happens to the average JOE...

btw you never answered my PM...


ha ha ha you brought out the heavy artillery in the quest to get him to stop bitching about trick boats :)

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[Scream And Fly]

Guys, maybe we can put this thread to rest now. Dirk Pitt is someone I know personally, and he's a straight shooter. No need to create issues here, he just had some questions. Let's just get along ok? :)

Greg

[Dirk Pitt]

[QUOTE=Dirk Pitt;1422483]

Dirk... put it to rest man, you have stated "I don't know the whole story" and "I only know what I've read"... well some people say what you've read isn't the whole story... so I hope we've gotten that far... Quit trying to smear Trick, its getting old and I'm glad your 15 yr old boat was repaired out of warranty, would it have anything to do with who you are... how come ALL superboats aren't corrected of their flaws! If Superboat had to take back all of their 21's and make them right instead of bullsh*t tie bars, the company would be BROKE. Theres tons of those boats out there... maybe everyone with a 21 super should go cry to the company and see what happens to the average JOE...

btw you never answered my PM...

Have you been applying for jobs again, I really think at very least you should go back to Clarkson and take one more class, its called "How not to fuel a fire 101"
And as far as Gdm, when did Mercury Marine start rigging boats? Tell us who at Mecury Marine rigged the 28' Skater you talk about?, and at what Mercury Marine rigging shop?

[stylishskier]

Should a warranty stay with a boat?, or should it end if a boat is sold?

What the difference if a boat is sold?, when its sold does the boat transform into some inferior rendition of its orginal form?

Does it start to become lesser of a product due to a title change?

Does resin, epoxy, and fiberglass change by some mystical transformation due to a different ass sitting in the drivers seat?

When we buy any manufactered product, wheather its a TV, automobile, appliance, the warranties stay with the product. Just imagine if it didnt, how long would Sony, or Maytag, Toyota,Honda, Ford etc etc etc, stay in business?

I believe you get what you pay for with a product, and an extended, transferrable, lifetime etc warranty is no different... All products have a life expectancy so to speak... engineers consider frequency of usage, type of usage, who uses it, how its maintained all when determining a warranty plan and writing the warranty details. Warranties are also easier to write and maintain I believe for products that are mass produced, not custom built. Example... a bath tub is mass produced, it has a general life expectancy of 20 years maybe... with X number of usage cycles. Well will the manufacturer write the warranty to cover the whole 20 years? No... there is a time where defects and use and abuse will start showing or problems will start happening around year 12 or 13... so the manufacturer writes the warranty to cover 10 years...

Applied to boats this is different... a mass produced boat... like a searay, you might see a warranty like this and its probably transferrable since these boats are all built to the same specs... aka mass produced... A custom boat like a trick or a skater will be different, there is a much lower yield on these boats, higher tolerances yes, but also different uses. Trick is a custom boat mfg... but to be on price point for our size boats, maybe he can't offer a warranty to cover 20 years like your super boat.

Also consider the use of these boats. This is an offshore catamaran capable of speeds of 100-110 mph. Being a small builder having put out 20-30 (LESS???) boats total, how can you reasonably run a BUSINESS (yes business plans usually have a goal of making a few dollars, just like beloved mercury and superboat, hydrostream etc...). You cannot reasonably offer a lifetime warranty on this product because you yourself cannot supervise the usage. If one of these custom boats changes hands 6 times... it may have been built as a river/lake layup. Well unknown to you (the builder) it was raced and LAUNCHED offshore by owner 4. He did some underlying damage in his 12 hrs of owned time, ran into financial difficulties and sold it to owner 5 who babied it and cleaned it up nice. Owner 6 gets it and it delams. Owner 6 wants his boat fixed because he didn't do anything wrong, he was running it for its intended purpose... but owner 4 was not... as a business man where do you draw the line? You seem to think there should be no line drawn... well in that case I feel if you don't want to draw a line on when a boat enters no warranty status then you need to go Progression (who still has a time frame on their warranty...) or skater... only problem is, skater doesn't build these boats anymore... SOOOO you pay up for a used one... which do break down like in Chuck (beer 30s) boat in unfortunate situations of low speed use... or you risk trying another builder who offers a seemingly well built product for a competitive price...

I digress... should Trick warranty a boat to shut someone up? No, thats not how you do business. If the boat was defective, should it be repaired in good faith, yes, if it was damaged, should it be repaired? NO. They drew up the warranty, if you have a problem with that warranty, don't buy it!

If you buy a raceboat and you hook and roll, is it covered under warranty? If you buy a used Triad (not sure what their warranty was)... who does the warranty work. They were/are reputable but sold the STV molds and name... will jack barsh fix your boat for free??

Sorry for the long post... IMO the builder should do the right thing... if we don't know the whole story and the builder does know the true story then maybe he did the right thing. The right thing is not always putting a passifier in the babies mouth to get it to shut up... sometimes the baby has to cry and learn that outbursts and temper tantrums won't get it everywhere it needs to go in life...


you still never answered my PM dirk

[mrcrsr]

the whole thing in a nutshell is the buyer brought it back to trick, trick says "transom is ok" then transom has problem, then trick does nothing, sounds kinda unscrupulous, and they should have done something, and i'm sure when people read of this it will effect there decision upon what boat to buy

[Pro300x24LD]

you still never answered my PM dirk
Maybe he doesn't want to? Maybe he doesn't want to waste his time arguing with a snot nosed kid? Or maybe, just maybe he has more important things to do with his time?

He answered mine :eek::leaving:

[Pro300x24LD]

the whole thing in a nutshell is the buyer brought it back to trick, trick says "transom is ok" then transom has problem, then trick does nothing, sounds kinda unscrupulous, and they should have done something, and i'm sure when people read of this it will effect there decision upon what boat to buy
For a person looking for a boat, it may affect his decision to buy used. Or it may affect his decision to buy used before thouroughly checking out the boat and also discussing the particular boat with the owner of the company that built it.

I see no reason not to buy a trick based on all of these discussions, I do see a reason to discuss buying a boat used with out first discussing warranty with the builder.

[Dirk Pitt]

Maybe he doesn't want to? Maybe he doesn't want to waste his time arguing with a snot nosed kid? Or maybe, just maybe he has more important things to do with his time?

He answered mine :eek::leaving:


I finally did answer his pm, and basicly it my sound like I have an intrest in helping the current owner, but I dont, I dont know him, I certainly dont have a ax to grind with Trick, its that I have strong opinions on the topic at hand, and again they are my personal opinions, which may or may not mean something, because I personally dont care what I think:rolleyes::thumbsup::D

[GDM]

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so dirk when are we goanna go after mercury for selling us those flawed sportmaster gearcases ?

one trick failed and you want to make an issue of it , but EVERY sportmaster on a 100 mph plus cat failed , wouldnt that be a better battle to fight ?


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[JPQ]

Anyone besides me see a pattern here?? :confused::confused:

I sure hope not even the smallest example of a stress crack shows up on a TUFF..:rolleyes: :leaving:

[GDM]

anyone Besides Me See A Pattern Here?? :confused::confused:

I Sure Hope Not Even The Smallest Example Of A Stress Crack Shows Up On A Tuff..:rolleyes: :leaving:


:)

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[Pro300x24LD]

I finally did answer his pm, and basicly it my sound like I have an intrest in helping the current owner, but I dont, I dont know him, I certainly dont have a ax to grind with Trick, its that I have strong opinions on the topic at hand, and again they are my personal opinions, which may or may not mean something, because I personally dont care what I think:rolleyes::thumbsup::DI agree with what you have said and see where you are coming from. :thumbsup: I do care about the things you say/type because I have found them to be insightful and good information. There are those that post, and there are those that post and you take not of what they say and the point they are making. You fall into the second category.


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so dirk when are we goanna go after mercury for selling us those flawed sportmaster gearcases ?

one trick failed and you want to make an issue of it , but EVERY sportmaster on a 100 mph plus cat failed , wouldnt that be a better battle to fight ?


.. Having a family member who works for Merc and is closely related to the warranty claims issue I can and will say that if the customer approaches the situation in the right manner, they stand behind their products, I've been seeing and hearing about it for over 20 years. I have never had the pleasure of owning a merc product under warranty, but I certainly wouldnt hesitate. My torquemaster ran into the seal issue, and for $100 I purchased the 4 seal set up from MAD EFI and never had a problem again. If I recall when discussing the issue with my family member there was a re-design in later years that was supposed to correct the issue and for the most part did? Its been a while so I dont remember exactly, but I can't see merc just saying oh well....


Anyone besides me see a pattern here?? :confused::confused:

I sure hope not even the smallest example of a stress crack shows up on a TUFF..:rolleyes: :leaving: I would imagine that as well built as the TUFF's are if they saw some rough water they to would at least develop a stress crack or two. It's the nature of the beast. A structural problem on the other hand would be a bigger issue. Which a transom that moves seems to fall under.

I know if my transom moved even an 1/8th of an inch and was noticeable I would approach the builder, and I would assume if he felt it was a serious issue the problem would be corrected. Of course I discussed my warranty before I bought my boat and was not warned against buying the boat.

[GDM]

My torquemaster ran into the seal issue, and for $100 I purchased the 4 seal set up from MAD EFI and never had a problem again.

was the gearcase still under warranty ?

either way you had to go to an aftermarket part to fix it . why didnt mercury come up with a solution to fix all of the flawed bogus cases they sold ?

they knowingly sold those flawed pos lowers for years !!!

where was dirk pitt then ? he should have got us all together so we could start a class action suit against mercury


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[Pro300x24LD]

I have never had the pleasure of owning a merc product under warranty, but I certainly wouldnt hesitate. My torquemaster ran into the seal issue, and for $100 I purchased the 4 seal set up from MAD EFI and never had a problem again. If I recall when discussing the issue with my family member there was a re-design in later years that was supposed to correct the issue and for the most part did? Its been a while so I dont remember exactly, but I can't see merc just saying oh well....
:rolleyes:


was the gearcase still under warranty ?
either way you had to go to an aftermarket part to fix it . why didnt mercury come up with a solution to fix all of the flawed bogus cases they sold ?

they knowingly sold those flawed pos lowers for years !!!

where was dirk pitt then ? he should have got us all together so we could start a class action suit against mercury


.Reading is a lost art?

[GDM]

ok so i have ADD and dont comprehend everything so good:)


but your just straight up crazy with the price your asking for your boat :)


all in good fun

[Pro300x24LD]

ok so i have ADD and dont comprehend everything so good:)


but your just straight up crazy with the price your asking for your boat :)


all in good fun
What does the price of my boat have to do with Warranty? If I am straight up crazy on the price I am asking how come I have seen older boats not much cheaper? Maybe you should call progression and price a new one for yourself....keep in mind, mines 6 years old.

I'd like to sell my boat, but then again, I don't want to sell my boat bad enough to just give it to you because you feel the price is out of line.

[GDM]

What does the price of my boat have to do with Warranty? If I am straight up crazy on the price I am asking how come I have seen older boats not much cheaper? Maybe you should call progression and price a new one for yourself....keep in mind, mines 6 years old.


dont get mad , all in good fun

the market is weak right now , price is based on what somoene is willing to pay now , not what a new one cost back in 2002

i just sold a mint turn key twin engine cat for $35500 so i think $27000 for a v bottom hull without power is insane but thats just my opinion


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[Dirk Pitt]

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so dirk when are we goanna go after mercury for selling us those flawed sportmaster gearcases ?

one trick failed and you want to make an issue of it , but EVERY sportmaster on a 100 mph plus cat failed , wouldnt that be a better battle to fight ?


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after you tell me who at Mecury Marine rigged that 28 skater and at which mercury facility this rigging took place,

Im still waiting:thumbsup:

[GDM]

after you tell me who at Mecury Marine rigged that 28 skater and at which mercury facility this rigging took place,

Im still waiting:thumbsup:

i didnt have a skater , never said i did . im just using that scenerio to prove a point

but everyone i knew with a 28 skater with 300x's had the vanilla milkshake nightmare evertime they used the boat . as well as 30 spectres etc etc

my little cougar cat was only 23 feet long but still made those gearcases fall apart often and also had the vanilla milkshake everytime i took the boat out

some of the boats i mentioned above (skater and spectres)
were maintained by your favorite local mercury guru that you praise so much . im not goanna name names but i have discussed this milkshake problem with him a few times and he seemed to agree with me. in fact he is the one who called it "vanilla milkshake" so i cant take credit for the phrase


all the sportmasters on 100 mph plus cats fail . and being that mercury shows those 300x engines on the 28 skater in their catalog leads me to belive it is the correct application , right ?

so why arent you going after the bigger fish who are really screwing us

im not against you i just think you should focus your energy on the fights that need to be fought :)

one trick fails and it seems that there is more to the story so why keep bringing it up until you know ALL the facts

also , what was mentioned earlier , why arent you crying about the need for tie bars on a certain v bottom that has sold more boats than trick ?


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[Dirk Pitt]

You said Mercury Marine rigged a skater and you went back and deleted that portion of your post, I want to know who at mercury rigged that boat, your little deception isnt clever at all Im still waiting, who at Mercury rigged that boat!

[GDM]

You said Mercury Marine rigged a skater and you went back and deleted that portion of your post, I want to know who at mercury rigged that boat, your little deception isnt clever at all Im still waiting, who at Mercury rigged that boat!




dude your pullin for straws and now your becoming aggravating .

i never deleted anything . i never said what you are saying . i was using it as an example, i never said i had a skater .

lets start over cause i see you are trying to harp on some non sense just so you dont have to admit mercury sucks and your wrong

lets start fresh , how come you see a 300x in the mercury catalog on a 28 skater and they call it a race motor but when you take the exact boat in the picture in the catalog (a 28 skater) and put the same motor on it that they show (the 300x) , how come when you have that boat and motor combo everytime you use the boat the gearcase gets filled with water . why arent you fighting that fight ? they all do it when you use the motors the way they were "intended "and this is fact ! and YOU know this

the 300x is marketed as a race motor and the 28 skater is the intended application right ? that's the point i am trying to make and you know im right but your are just being annoying now

mercury is a big company who screws thousands of people and you dont say a damn thing ,but when one small manufacturer that produces a few boats has one hull fail and you dont even know all of the circumstances as to why , you cry like a 13 year old girl ?

why arent you fighting the bigger problems in the boating world being that you feel it is your duty to bring justice to the boating community :)


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[stylishskier]

You said Mercury Marine rigged a skater and you went back and deleted that portion of your post, I want to know who at mercury rigged that boat, your little deception isnt clever at all Im still waiting, who at Mercury rigged that boat!

maybe it was rigged at Lake X... or the new X-site?? I'm sure there have been boats rigged at those places before... if it was a skater with mercury splashed all over it for the racing catalog, good chance those photos were taken from X-site too... anywho, who knows who rigged skaters with 300x... Im sure ECM has?? who cares

[Ospreyproduction]

He wears a cape.....da dada da dahhh.....he's Marine Man!!!!! And he's saving the day!!!

WAIT a MINUTE!!! Is he married to Judge Judy? That could explain everything..... but I don't think he is...He MUST be MARINE MAN!!!


Where were you when I had to buy a new Sportmaster for my Skater.....and then there was......another Sportmaster for my 27' Cougar...and then a new powerhead for my 300X when a sensor went bad and caused the motor to blow.......where were you then Marine Man???? Where were you then?????

:cheers::thumbsup:

[1BadAction]

He wears a cape.....da dada da dahhh.....he's Marine Man!!!!! And he's saving the day!!!

WAIT a MINUTE!!! Is he married to Judge Judy? That could explain everything..... but I don't think he is...He MUST be MARINE MAN!!!


Where were you when I had to buy a new Sportmaster for my Skater.....and then there was......another Sportmaster for my 27' Cougar...and then a new powerhead for my 300X when a sensor went bad and caused the motor to blow.......where were you then Marine Man???? Where were you then?????

:cheers::thumbsup:

best. post. EVAR!

[Dirk Pitt]

[QUOTE=GDM;1422801]was the gearcase still under warranty ?

either way you had to go to an aftermarket part to fix it . why didnt mercury come up with a solution to fix all of the flawed bogus cases they sold ?

they knowingly sold those flawed pos lowers for years !!!

where was dirk pitt then ? he should have got us all together so we could start a class action suit against mercury


lets see, didnt you tell us you just recently sold a boat?, and I was just wondering since your such a stand up kinda guy, did you disclose all the damage to that boat before you sold it, Im sure you did, because the water damage and the spit down the center of tunnel after you had that major accident, wouldnt be something that you would hide from someone that bought that boat would you? Oh and the gear case that was split open, is that one with the milkshake in it?
But we all know you wouldnt do that right?

By the way Im still waiting who at Mercury Marine rigs boats?

[GDM]

maybe it was rigged at Lake X... or the new X-site?? I'm sure there have been boats rigged at those places before... if it was a skater with mercury splashed all over it for the racing catalog, good chance those photos were taken from X-site too... anywho, who knows who rigged skaters with 300x... Im sure ECM has?? who cares



ohhhhh thats what Marine Man was getting at !!!???

when i said rigged by mercury all i was implying was it was rigged at a mercury dealer i only mentioned that so marinescapegoat man couldnt weasel out of the argument with some lame bs like "was it rigged properly"



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[Ospreyproduction]

[QUOTE=GDM;1422801]was the gearcase still under warranty ?


Depends on what MARINE MAN told them their warranty should cover..... and how long it should last.....and how many times it was transferable....what did you tell them anyway????

I may just be able to get some money back if Marine Man extends my warranty.:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

GO MARINE MAN!! GO MARINE MAN!! GO MARINE MAN GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[GDM]

lets see, didnt you tell us you just recently sold a boat?, and I was just wondering since your such a stand up kinda guy, did you disclose all the damage to that boat before you sold it, Im sure you did, because the water damage and the spit down the center of tunnel after you had that major accident, wouldnt be something that you would hide from someone that bought that boat would you? Oh and the gear case that was split open, is that one with the milkshake in it?
But we all know you wouldnt do that right?



major damagge my azz .there was no big accident . i hit a big board and it made a small crack on the center tunnel, everything was out in the open ,i dont hide it , ask the moderator raceman , he texted me about the boat and any past damage and i told him about it and anyone who asked about it

it was a small cack and fixed by raybo so i know it is good , plus it was ridden hard by me several times and held up perfectly

as far as me being a stand up guy i feel comfortable selling the boat even thought it had design flawed gearcases , i felt ok with it cause i put on 2 new cases right before i sold it and i also added the wayne taylor billet seals to keep the water out of my new cases

you know the wayne taylor billet pieces , the ones that were sold aftermarket to cure the design flaw in the pos mercury gearcases , you know the aftermarke part to cure the problem that mercury refused to deal with , so the aftermarket guys had to do it . kinda like when you buy a superboat and put tie bars on it as a band aid , same idea :)


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[Ospreyproduction]

kinda like when you buy a superboat and put tie bars on it as a band aid , same idea :)


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OUCH!!!!! That's gonna leave a mark!!!!

[GDM]

By the way Im still waiting who at Mercury Marine rigs boats?


ha ha ha your still harping on that like a little weasel . i already adressed that .

when i said mercury i just meant a mercury dealer thats all

all i was implying is that you han have a 300x installed right from a mercury dealer on its intended application and it will still have the vanillla milkshake EVERYTIME you use the boat for its "intended" purpose

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[Ospreyproduction]

:leaving:
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Where did Marine Man go?

This was just gettin good.:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[GDM]

Depends on what MARINE MAN told them their warranty should cover..... and how long it should last.....and how many times it was transferable....what did you tell them anyway????

I may just be able to get some money back if Marine Man extends my warranty.:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

GO MARINE MAN!! GO MARINE MAN!! GO MARINE MAN GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


ha ha ha i love it .

when i bought my cougar it had 40 something hours on it according to the smartcraft gauges . it was a fresh water boat on a little lake (not a serious ocean ridden boat) the guy was a nerd , his best gps speed was lower than what i could get as soon as i started driving it . but guesss what it already had one new powerhead

thats right it blew a powerhead at 10 hrs !!!! typical pos 300x !

why didnt marine man help the poor owner of that cougar . it was used for its intenede purpose , actualy it was driven like a pleasure boat imho and it still broke




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[Dirk Pitt]

ha ha ha your still harping on that like a little weasel . i already adressed that .

when i said mercury i just meant a mercury dealer thats all

all i was implying is that you han have a 300x installed right from a mercury dealer on its intended application and it will still have the vanillla milkshake EVERYTIME you use the boat for its "intended" purpose

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come on you can do better tha that, I kinda like the name Marine Man, maybe you can post some pictures of the boat before it was fixed or just maybe I can.

Marine Man

[GDM]

come on you can do better tha that, I kinda like the name Marine Man, maybe you can post some pictures of the boat before it was fixed or just maybe I can.

Marine Man


go ahead i dont care i have nothing to hide . the boat was fixed by raybo no secret .

your 21 skater was there getting work done to it while my cougar was there , no secret .

rob said the middle tunnel was designed badly at the step and he fixed it , no secret , in fact i have a picture of the repair , he made it good and strong and i have a picture to prove it , he added some nice bulkheads?(i think thats what you call them ) whatever the y are called they look beefy and i know they are good cause raybo did it , not some half ass fly by night shop


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[Dirk Pitt]

go ahead i dont care i have nothing to hide . the boat was fixed by raybo no secret .

your 21 skater was there getting work done to it while my cougar was there , no secret .

rob said the middle tunnel was designed badly at the step and he fixed it , no secret , in fact i have a picture of the repair , he made it good and strong and i have a picture to prove it , he added some nice bulkheads?(i think thats what you call them ) whatever the y are called they look beefy and i know they are good cause raybo did it , not some half ass fly by night shop


Did you tell the new owner?

[GDM]

everything is out in the open marine man

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee248/elitemate/fix.jpg

[bulletbob]

I am sure GDM, that Dirt Pitt aka. Marine Man has the dirt (glossy photos) of your repair to show to all in ear shot what a lowlife you are for selling a repaired hull!:reddevil:

[GDM]

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answer the question marine man , why dont you go after mercury for their flawed sportmaster gearcases ?

was your cape in the cleaner that day ?



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[bulletbob]

You beat him to it!!! What happened Marine Man? Trip over your cape!

[bulletbob]

I owe it all to you Marine Man!!!!:thumbsup: With your help I hit 100 posts in three years!:cheers:

[GDM]

I am sure GDM, that Dirt Pitt aka. Marine Man has the dirt (glossy photos) of your repair to show to all in ear shot what a lowlife you are for selling a repaired hull!:reddevil:


:)

the repaired part is probably the strongest part of the boat :D


the question is if the repair doesnt hold (which i am 100% confident it will cause i trust rob at raybo , i love the guy ) so the question is if the repair doesnt hold , will marine man put on his cape and go after raybo for me or should i say go after them for the new owner of that cougar


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[GDM]

i posted my boats flaws marine man , so now marine man should return the favor ,

i want marine man to post up a bunch of pictures of tie bars on a certain v bottom boat (he knows the brand)

also post a pic of the wayne taylor "band aids" , i "mean billet peices" on his 300x cases

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[Dirk Pitt]

everything is out in the open marine man

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee248/elitemate/fix.jpg


Did you show the new owner these pics, before or after you beat him

[GDM]

beat him , ha ha .

i sold him a turnkey , very clean ,170 hr ( fresh water till 06), very fast , twin engine cat for $35500
edit *and it had 2 new gearcases , with the wayne taylor billet seals ( the ones that fix the design flaw in the pos sportmaster gearcases) and it had brand new mercury cleaver props

it was the best deal on this entire site marine man , guys are asking close to that price for a same year v bottom without power LOL HA HA HA other guys are asking the same amount or more for 20 year old cats that the cougar would run circles around


are you implying that once a boat has a repair you should never sell it ?

your skater has repairs so i guess you cant ever sell it , right ?


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[Dirk Pitt]

***SOLD***





the boat is a 2001 23 cougar but it was bought in the very end of 2001 so the motors are 2002's . i think the boat should have been an 02 being that it was the final months of 2001 but thats the way it went down for some reason


the motors are 2002 300x mercs with sportmaster 1:62 gearcases, the engines are mounted on hydraulic jackplates

the boat was a fresh water boat from laconia new hampshire on lake winnipesaukee until april 2006

the trailer is a matching cougar trailer , double axle

the boat is now on long island new york

*update* as of may 29th it has 160 hrs on the engines according to the digital mercury smartcraft gauges (can be verified with a ddt scanner)

the boat has a small center pod which makes it ride great at any speed , no porpose anywhere . it is also easier to insure than a regular cat

the center pod makes it turn great at all speeds , turns like a go cart

the boat is only 23 feet but it will rip over a 2 foot chop like a cadillac on a freshly paved road , the ride and acceleration is great on this boat

the boat has a cockpit cover as well as a full cover

i will add some pics soon , and some more info as i remember things


$39,900

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a little more about the boat . when i went to buy the boat the guy had it stored in a warehouse for the winter and in the summer he had it on a covered boat lift(it was like a boathouse made from metal framing)

i kept the boat covered on a trailer and under a carport

the boat shines nice with very little fade , if any

it is a very good looking boat it is white with a bunch of shades of blue , all gelcoat , all original

also the interior of this boat is awesome . it is very plush and comfortable , it is very roomy and much nicer/user freindly than any other cat in this size range that i have ever seen


it has a big useable sunpad on the back

i originaly wanted a 24 or 28 skater but the interior on this boat won me over , it is much better for lounging around or for a family

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Opps no mention of the repairs in your add, did you tell the new owner that the boat was a repaired, water logged boat, stop avoiding the question, Marine Man wants to know

[GDM]

marine man your beating a dead horse , anyone who asked/inquired about the boat was told the truth

you want me to answer a question that has been answered

it is your turn to answer a question , i think you owe it to us , especially since it was asked first but you keep refusing to answer it

i want you to answer 3 questions

1) why didnt you go after mercury for selling a pos design flawed sportmaster gearcase ?

2) does YOUR 21 superboat have tie bars

3) do either of YOUR gearcases have wayne taylor billet seals on them or any kind of aftermarket upgrades ?


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[Dirk Pitt]

Remember this "People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones"

Im sure if the guy new the details of that turn key, ran over something, split in two water logged boat, he may have passed on it, but dont you worry little boy, Ill find him and Marine Man will come to his aid, and show him what to do with guys like you, and just maybe you will have to compensate this poor unknowing person

[GDM]

Remember this "People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones"

Im sure if the guy new the details of that turn key, ran over something, split in two water logged boat, he may have passed on it, but dont you worry little boy, Ill find him and Marine Man will come to his aid, and show him what to do with guys like you, and just maybe you will have to compensate this poor unknowing person

split in 2 my ass , a little crack ha ha ha

little boy ?

are you threatening me ? go find whoever you want you little pussy , im not too hard to find im right on the end of fifth street last house on the right all the way south

go find him and do what you gotta do you little ****
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[Dirk Pitt]

marine man your beating a dead horse , anyone who asked/inquired about the boat was told the truth

you want me to answer a question that has been answered

it is your turn to answer a question , i think you owe it to us , especially since it was asked first but you keep refusing to answer it

i want you to answer 3 questions

1) why didnt you go after mercury for selling a pos design flawed sportmaster gearcase ?

2) does YOUR 21 superboat have tie bars

3) do either of YOUR gearcases have wayne taylor billet seals on them or any kind of aftermarket upgrades ?


.

1) anytime I had any issue with Mercury Marine they always came through for me

2) yes from day one my Superboat has tie bars, hell I may have been involved in the original design.
3) 1 does, one does no,t but I watch them very closly.


now that I have answered your questions I expect the same in return

Did you disclose to the the buyer of your boat, as it looks from the pics you posted, that there was major repairs done?

[Dirk Pitt]

split in 2 my ass , a little crack ha ha ha

little boy ?

are you threatening me ? go find whoever you want you little pussy , im not too hard to find im right on the end of fifth street last house on the right all the way south

go find him and do what you gotta do you little ****

sounds like your getting upset, I dont make threats I make promises.

[Ospreyproduction]

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answer the question marine man , why dont you go after mercury for their flawed sportmaster gearcases ?

was your cape in the cleaner that day ?


GO MARINE MAN GO-OOOOOOO!!!
I need some money back from Mercury!!! Go get-em!!!

Lower units, powerheads!!! Didn't they have something to do with slavery too!!! YOU GET THEM!!! GO BOY GO!!!

:cheers::cheers::thumbsup::thumbsup::iagree:

[JPQ]

So what would you call the work done to your superboat...repairs or modifications??.....:cheers:


The loser in this might be Raybo...potential customers might look else where in fear of the marine man!! :eek: :leaving:

[Ospreyproduction]

[SIZE="3"][I][B][U]..........stop avoiding the question, Marine Man wants to know

I love this chit!!!! This has been a very fun night. The S&F we have all grown to love.

Have a great night!!!

cheers::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[lightspeed]

I Got A 6 Pack And A Big Bag Of Popcorn :cheers:This Is Getting Good ,,,I Am LMAO:iagree: Should I Get The Boots And Shovel Out??? :D:reddevil::reddevil:

[bulletbob]

Its' to early to go to bed Leeroy. The kids wear you out? Have fun at Jocassee!

[Dirk Pitt]

I love this chit!!!! This has been a very fun night. The S&F we have all grown to love.

Have a great night!!!

cheers::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Good night :cheers::D

[RobF]

So what would you call the work done to your superboat...repairs or modifications??.....:cheers:


The loser in this might be Raybo...potential customers might look else where in fear of the marine man!! :eek: :leaving:

I have done some work for Dirk on his boats, he is the type of guy when one thing is done he already has ideas for other things to be done, everything he does is voluntary and would fall under modifications so that the boat is the way he wants it.
The only repair that I have done for him that was not voluntary are his Skater tanks- which everyone knows on a Skater is now considered a modification due to unforseen changes in our fuel.

As for his superboat- I dont have to stick up for him or Superboat- but that boat has its original tie bars, as well as being one of the most dialed in perfectly rigged 21s out there running in the mid 90s without so much as a crack in it- so I guess those bars do ok holding that 300X set back at least 14" or whatever crazy set up he has it dialed in at.

Other 21s need to watch out, because the next time the boat goes under the knife all bets are off and we hope to see something fantastic happen.


if there are any problems with the Cougar IT WOULD BE WARRANTIED regardless who owns it now.

[Frank Molé]

I have done some work for Dirk on his boats, he is the type of guy when one thing is done he already has ideas for other things to be done, everything he does is voluntary and would fall under modifications so that the boat is the way he wants it.
The only repair that I have done for him that was not voluntary are his Skater tanks- which everyone knows on a Skater is now considered a modification due to unforseen changes in our fuel.

As for his superboat- I dont have to stick up for him or Superboat- but that boat has its original tie bars, as well as being one of the most dialed in perfectly rigged 21s out there running in the mid 90s without so much as a crack in it- so I guess those bars do ok holding that 300X set back at least 14" or whatever crazy set up he has it dialed in at.

Other 21s need to watch out, because the next time the boat goes under the knife all bets are off and we hope to see something fantastic happen.


the cougar repairs were nothing, access was the biggest thing, the repair itself was a few hours of work. We purposely documented the repair for a future owner and I would bet that part of the boat to be superior to any other 23' cougar out there- and if it did have a problem- IT WOULD BE WARRANTIED regardless who owns it now.

yes that boat is MINT :thumbsup:

[GDM]

the cougar repairs were nothing, access was the biggest thing, the repair itself was a few hours of work. We purposely documented the repair for a future owner and I would bet that part of the boat to be superior to any other 23' cougar out there- and if it did have a problem- IT WOULD BE WARRANTIED regardless who owns it now.


thanks rob , sorry you have to be involved in this nonsense. i hope anything i posted doesnt effect you or your business in a negative way

rob has done 3 or 4 jobs for me so far and i have nothing but good things to say about him . he is a stand up guy and i respect him and his work

everyone already knows raybo does great work , but anyone who may think he is too expensive is dead wrong . he did some paint work for me on a jetski for such a low price i couldnt belive it. cheaper than any other estimate i got . and the work was great and he did it right away


as far as the cougar goes , dirk pitt is a straight up liar to say the boat had major damage . i was driving my cougar at dusk only going about 35 mph when i hit a big dock board that was floating just under the surface . it made a little crack , big deal . for dirk pitt to say the boat was split in half is a blatant lie

now that we know what a pos liar dirk pitt is maybe trick powerboats wont be effected by his slander


.

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[RobF]

what works in people's favor is that alot of times we have gelcoats or paints in stock for alot of different makes, so the savings of not having to color match is passed on to the boat owner.
Keeping simple repairs reasonable is what keeps people coming back because they are not afraid of what it will cost to repair those little nicks and dings.


as for the rest of this discussion- I wish to stay out of it and let the big dogs fight it out.

[GDM]

as for the rest of this discussion- I wish to stay out of it and let the big dogs fight it out.


i dont consider myself a BIG dog by any means and it seems obvious that dirk pitt is a little yapping Chihuahua


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[Dirk Pitt]

Did you disclose the repairs to the guy you beat ? answer the question, you can name call me all you want, the fact remaines you sold a boat that had Structual repairs, and didnt tell the buyer, that picture you posted shows it......... and speaks volumes as to your character!

By your own admission you state the following:


" i was driving my cougar at dusk only going about 35 mph when i hit a big dock board that was floating just under the surface . it made a little crack "

35mph, little crack, hit a big dock board, haha no big deal ya right
How stupid can a person be, it amazes me!

I hope the new owner is reading this,

oh yes did I ask you this question?

DID YOU DISCLOSE TO ANYONE ON THIS BOARD THAT YOU HIT A BIG DOCK BOARD AT 35MPH, AND PUT A LITTLE CRACK IN IT?
Now who's the liar? The add that you posted was deceitful and you hid the facts.

How little 3 feet, 4 feet, 5 feet... so maybe not in half, just a third of it was split.

Im not the bad guy here, I didnt sell something that hit a big dock board at 35mph, you did! and you didnt tell a sole until Marine Man exposed you for what you are...... does cheat rig a bell?

Marine Man

[philip12]

Marine Man:):),,,, I like that,, :cheers:

[Superbender]

This reminds me of the Jerry/p22 show .what was this thread about again:D

[Pro300x24LD]

wow, 4 new pages since the last time I had the pleasure of reading this thread......


Carry on :)

[Ospreyproduction]

..........you didnt tell a sole until Marine Man exposed you for what you are...... does cheat rig a bell?

Marine Man


Here he comes
Here comes Marine Man
He’s a demon on water
He’s a demon and he’s gonna be chasin’ after someone!!

GO MARINE MAN! GO MARINE MAN!! GO MARINE MAN GO-OOOOO!!!

:thumbsup:

[JPQ]

This is exactly what I was referring to....a small repair done to a hull gets blown out of proportion to hull split in half....potential customers reading this will look else where in fear of the Marine Man striking again. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I really hope this ends and egos can take a rest and realize they are hurting their friend's business. Raybo sounds like a straight up guy that does excellent work!! :cheers:

Give it a rest already!!:thumbsup:

[Ospreyproduction]

This is exactly what I was referring to....a small repair done to a hull gets blown out of proportion to hull split in half....potential customers reading this will look else where in fear of the Marine Man striking again. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
!:thumbsup:

Are you kidding me!!!!!! The boat was sinking....the water was freezing....People were screaming....the lifeboats were lowered.....it was an iceberg for crying out loud!!!.....then, there was this music.....der nerh nerh, nerh nerh nerh....the boat creeked and moaned....people were jumping into the frigid water....it was midnight.....whith no help in sight....and then smoke started to bellow onto the decks......derh nerh nerh, nerh nerh nerh.....MARINE MAN was no where in sight......what was the crew to do????

[JPQ]

:D:D...for some reason I picture Marine Man in his suit with a Big ol Pot in one hand and big ol stick in the other :cheers:

[JPQ]

:D:D Other times I picture Marine Man with Big Ol stick and a poor Horse in front of him...:eek::eek: That poor horse is taking a beating!!!!! :p:leaving:

[GDM]

Are you kidding me!!!!!! The boat was sinking....the water was freezing....People were screaming....the lifeboats were lowered.....it was an iceberg for crying out loud!!!.....then, there was this music.....der nerh nerh, nerh nerh nerh....the boat creeked and moaned....people were jumping into the frigid water....it was midnight.....whith no help in sight....and then smoke started to bellow onto the decks......derh nerh nerh, nerh nerh nerh.....MARINE MAN was no where in sight......what was the crew to do????



well the crane and scuba team were able to bring the boat back to the surface cause the boat was only under 50 feet of water , getting the first half back to the surface was easy but the half with the engines attatched was kinda tricky , i dont consider the crash bad cause ony 3 of the 4 passengers died in the "crash" :)


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[JPQ]

I think the Marine Man ran "The Hoser" off this site too!!!

:D:D

[RobF]

jesus

[GDM]

DID YOU DISCLOSE TO ANYONE ON THIS BOARD THAT YOU HIT A BIG DOCK BOARD AT 35MPH, AND PUT A LITTLE CRACK IN IT?

Im not the bad guy here, I didnt sell something that hit a big dock board at 35mph, you did! and you didnt tell a sole until Marine Man exposed you
Marine Man


this is just another case of marine man talking smack when he doesnt know any of the facts , it seems to be a pattern with him

look im not going to expose all my pm's and emails but i will post one below

raceman im sorry to pull you into this in any way but i feel i have to

raceman asked me about the boat via pm and this was my answer , showing once again that marine man repeatedly lies and talks $hit about thinngs he knows nothing about

edit*sorry raceman i am only usuing you as an example cause i know you are an administrator and respected here

here is the pm




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<HR style="COLOR: #72a5d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #72a5d8" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->1- i look over the windshield , the seats are high,you could cut the pedestals so it would be lowered to look through it . the wind isnt in your face it seems to go right over you . i can wear a baseball cap at speeds

2 - it had a small crack on the center pod . it was fixed by raybo . he did a great job . it wont be a problem ever imo . i put lots of hrs on it since he did the work

3 - cougar rigs it that way . it rides great no porpoise


4 - 20 inch


5 the engines run great no problems with the powerheads , it has 2 new sportmasters with the wayne taylor billet seals over the waterpumps . the new cases come from mercury with stainless drive shafts


gary

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Hi GDM. I've got a couple of questions on the Cougar.

1. Is it a sit down and look THROUGH the windshield boat, or is your face up over the windscreen?

2. Any damage history ever?

3. Why so much setback?

4. 20 or 25" motors?

5. Ever any major engine repairs/failures?

I guess my interest is weak to moderate, but if you were closer I'd have to take a look. If I got REAL serious about it, my ole' buddy who retired from Merc does some runnin' around pickin' stuff up for Randy/Wildman, so I guess he could come get it, but Ga's a long way from NY and it'd probably be expen$ive.

Thanks,
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[THE HOSER]

I think the Marine Man ran "The Hoser" off this site too!!!

:D:D



dont worry the hoser still lives :thumbsup:

[JPQ]

Great!!!! :cheers:

I want to see "The Hoser" with original Superboat put the smack down on the hacked Superboat of the "Marine Man" :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[GDM]

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dunt dunt dah dahhhhh

it's Marine Man to the rescue !!!
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee248/elitemate/gay_superhero.jpg

[Raceman]

this is just another case of marine man talking smack when he doesnt know any of the facts , it seems to be a pattern with him

look im not going to expose all my pm's and emails but i will post one below

raceman im sorry to pull you into this in any way but i feel i have to

raceman asked me about the boat via pm and this was my answer , showing once again that marine man repeatedly lies and talks $hit about thinngs he knows nothing about

edit*sorry raceman i am only usuing you as an example cause i know you are an administrator and respected here

here is the pm







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<HR style="COLOR: #72a5d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #72a5d8" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->1- i look over the windshield , the seats are high,you could cut the pedestals so it would be lowered to look through it . the wind isnt in your face it seems to go right over you . i can wear a baseball cap at speeds

2 - it had a small crack on the center pod . it was fixed by raybo . he did a great job . it wont be a problem ever imo . i put lots of hrs on it since he did the work

3 - cougar rigs it that way . it rides great no porpoise


4 - 20 inch


5 the engines run great no problems with the powerheads , it has 2 new sportmasters with the wayne taylor billet seals over the waterpumps . the new cases come from mercury with stainless drive shafts


gary

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Hi GDM. I've got a couple of questions on the Cougar.

1. Is it a sit down and look THROUGH the windshield boat, or is your face up over the windscreen?

2. Any damage history ever?

3. Why so much setback?

4. 20 or 25" motors?

5. Ever any major engine repairs/failures?

I guess my interest is weak to moderate, but if you were closer I'd have to take a look. If I got REAL serious about it, my ole' buddy who retired from Merc does some runnin' around pickin' stuff up for Randy/Wildman, so I guess he could come get it, but Ga's a long way from NY and it'd probably be expen$ive.

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That is in fact an EXACT paste of the two PM's that Gary and I exchanged. After that time I talked with Greg about the possibility of him suggesting somebody close to it that could have a look, and we even talked about the possibility of getting Mole to transport it. I also talked to HalfFast about his opinion of ME and the 300's based on his knowledge of the way I use my stuff. During all that time I was glad to learn that it got sold because I REALLY don't need another boat or car to worry about where to store. I suspect that I would have gotten REAL interested in it if somebody hadn't beat me to it.

Don't worry about the draggin' me in Gary, because facts are facts and what you've posted as far as disclosure of the facts TO ME are accurate, and of course I have no other knowledge whatsoever of anything pertaining to the boat.

[GDM]

the only thing i may be guilty of is not putting "the boat had a repair" at the top of the ad

not because i wanted to lie but because to sell something , first you present it to gain interest then a serious buyer asks the quesions and learns the history of the boat

when do you see someone start off with something negative in the ad


when you look in the paper to buy a car does it read like this

2006 bmw m5 black 20,000 miles
(once i hit a tree with it)
(one time my drunk friend puked in it)
best offer

if someone would have asked the damage history on the public thread i would have gave the same answer that i gave raceman

if i was trying to hide the repair then why would i bring it to raybo ?
evertime i go there i see boats belonging to members from this site

anyone here(and im sure there were more than a few) who seen the cougar at raybo knew it was mine , how many multi colored blue 23 cougars with 2 300x,s are on long island ?


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[GDM]

one more thing if dirk pitt feels that the ad should have repair history and all the negative right in at the top of the ad then will his add read like this

21 superboat for sale , it has the tie bars on it because if it didnt the transom would rip off , this boat has had fiberglass work done to it , the motor guzzles gas really bad , you need to check the gearcase oil way more than mercury recommends because if not it will let water in and blow , you can put an aftermarket part on the gearcase as a band aid to compensate for the flawed design that comes out of the factory , also thes powerheads are known to blow up alot, there are many more negatives just call me and ill go over them with you

21 skater had major fiberglass work done to it (gas tanks had to be changed)the motor guzzles gas really bad , you need to check the gearcase oil EVERY TIME YOU USE THE BOAT because if not it will let water in and blow , you can put an aftermarket part on the gearcase as a band aid to compensate for the flawed design that comes out of the factory , also thes powerheads are known to blow up alot, there are many more negatives just call me and ill go over them with you



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[THE HOSER]

Great!!!! :cheers:

I want to see "The Hoser" with original Superboat put the smack down on the hacked Superboat of the "Marine Man" :thumbsup: :thumbsup:



whats a marine man?
and what are you guys talking about ?

[GDM]

whats a marine man?
and what are you guys talking about ?


you have super man

you have bat man

you have spider man

but best of all you have MARINE MAN

defender of all thats worng with the boating industry
( well not really , more like slanderer of any manufacturer that makes a similar boat to his , that is faster than his)


.

[THE HOSER]

and what kind of boat does marine man have ?

[Ospreyproduction]

and what kind of boat does marine man have ?


SKATER......of course.

The best ever, ever, ever, ever.

Nothing ever, ever, ever happens to a SKATER.

:thumbsup:

[1BadAction]

I heard skaters are the only things on earth badass enough to beat chuck norris in a race.

[Pro300x24LD]

at some point can we give this a rest?

[tigweld]

what would Chuck Norris Drive??????????:reddevil:

[skater247]

Just reading this thread let me make sure I understand this:
1. Mercury Sportmasters need aftermarket seals.
2. Superboats need tie bars so transom doesn't crack
3. Cougars need to be cut open and have additional bulkheads added to stop tunnel from cracking
4. Marine Man owns a skater :cheers:
:eek: :cheers: :leaving:

[ghost28]

Just reading this thread let me make sure I understand this:
1. Mercury Sportmasters need aftermarket seals.
2. Superboats need tie bars so transom doesn't crack
3. Cougars need to be cut open and have additional bulkheads added to stop tunnel from cracking
4. Marine Man owns a skater :cheers:
:eek: :cheers: :leaving:

heck tiebars or not your 21 held up pretty well tonight:reddevil::reddevil::reddevil::reddevil:

i happen to agree that a warranty should remain with the boat and if i went to a manufacturer to buy a boat and the warranty was for the original owner only i would walk....i worked in a marina that sold a boat line and the manufacturer had that clause in there warranty......people questioned it all the time and i used to agree that it was wrong....

i was always under the impression that the USCG mandated a 5 year warranty regardless of what the manufacturer states....but what do i know....i feel that the marine undustry as a whole lacks in consistency in the warranty slash whos responsible for what dept....the boat builder will blame the rigger....the rigger will blame tthe engine manufacturer and they will blame there suppliers Etc....

i guess we are all SCREWED.....:iagree::iagree::iagree::icon_bs::icon_bs::icon_bs:

[mragu]

My Superboat does not have tie bars, its got kaneees:D
How is it goin' Hozebag????

[Ospreyproduction]

what would Chuck Norris Drive??????????:reddevil:

FOUNTAIN of course.....CATKILLER:thumbsup:

Now the chit is really getting deep.



I'm gett'n out my chest waders!:cheers:

[T2x]

what would Chuck Norris Drive??????????:reddevil:


He had a chance to drive Fountains back when he was racing.......and didn't. (They existed at the time.)

He chose to race in aluminum Cougars with Popeyes..........and a Scarab.

Just the facts....

T2x

[GDM]

He had a chance to drive Fountains back when he was racing.......and didn't. (They existed at the time.)

He chose to race in aluminum Cougars with Popeyes..........and a Scarab.

Just the facts....

T2x


is that a joke or did chuck norris really race ?

.

[Pro300x24LD]

is that a joke or did chuck norris really race ?

.I belive thats fact, i think he really did race, but I was too young to remember for it to actually be taken as fact.

[GDM]

I belive thats fact, i think he really did race, but I was too young to remember for it to actually be taken as fact.


too funny , i was watching a documentary earlier today and i learned that chuck norris is a black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu , everyone knows him as a karate guy but it seems he is also an elite grappler who got his blackbelt under one of the best grapplers in the world

man if he was racing boats too he really is a jack of all trades , that guy has the life


.

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[GDM]

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it must be true , look down about 7 paragraphs

http://www.chucknorris.com/html/biog.html


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[Pro300x24LD]

chicago to detroit in 12 hours!! holy crap, that would have been a demanding 12 hours, but a crap load of fun.

[GDM]

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[150aintenuff]

depends on if that ass puts ethanol in it or not. :D

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guess you all better not live in Oregon, Washington or California then..... all the paranoia is for inferior built products to begin with... granted
the Skater Hull is a good product, the tanks however are not, and ethanol really is a non issue at this point IMO..... its everywhere and its here to stay so quit bitching about it as for warranty, its all manufactures discression, most cars are covered only for the first original owner...

[tigweld]

I got the shirt GDM:D

[Pro300x24LD]

most cars are covered only for the first original owner...
are you pretarded?

[RNM018]

are you pretarded?

Nope . He's just Posttarted!!! Rich Martin 018 :D

[tux974]

When you buy or own a real boat you do not need to worry about warranty!!! ;):thumbsup::D:)

[Ospreyproduction]

When you buy or own a real boat you do not need to worry about warranty!!! ;):thumbsup::D:)


LOL.....those tanks are really something.:thumbsup:

I've seen plenty of "real boats" with cracks on the transom as well as cracks all the way across the sponson bottoms......I would think you would want either warranty or MARINE MAN:thumbsup:

[tux974]

LOL.....those tanks are really something.:thumbsup:

I've seen plenty of "real boats" with cracks on the transom as well as cracks all the way across the sponson bottoms......I would think you would want either warranty or MARINE MAN:thumbsup:

Lee, Did I forget to mention that if you do not want to worry about warranty buy a real boat from a real company :thumbsup: ;):D:)

[150aintenuff]

all the vehicles ive bought were still in their warranty term... however the warranty didnot transfer because I did not purchase at a dealer that could transfer the warranty... sorry uproktoy, but thems the facts... atleast on my end.... so now for the REAL boats that have REAL warranty's just how many of ya'll have a 20 year old boat still under a non degrading warranty.... and will have that same warranty in 20 years..... cause "REAL" boats have LIFETIME warranties REGARDLESS of who owns them

[Ospreyproduction]

Lee, Did I forget to mention that if you do not want to worry about warranty buy a real boat from a real company :thumbsup: ;):D:)


I've got no warranty to worry about.....it's expired, as is, no warranty.

[Pro300x24LD]

all the vehicles ive bought were still in their warranty term... however the warranty didnot transfer because I did not purchase at a dealer that could transfer the warranty... sorry uproktoy, but thems the facts... atleast on my end.... so now for the REAL boats that have REAL warranty's just how many of ya'll have a 20 year old boat still under a non degrading warranty.... and will have that same warranty in 20 years..... cause "REAL" boats have LIFETIME warranties REGARDLESS of who owns them


I'll ask again, are you a retard?

I've owned many used vehicles that still fall under the 3/36 factory warrant and never once had a problem. Maybe you could site some examples or keep making yourself look like a douche?

[mragu]

this thread sux! gdm is a good guy and dirk pitt is a good guy. let's go boating weds and cut the poo poo

[Ospreyproduction]

this thread sux! gdm is a good guy and dirk pitt is a good guy. let's go boating weds and cut the poo poo


Yes, but it has been very entertaining.

The majority of the people on here are good guys.

However, when some of the good guys only get half of the story from the other good guys, it makes one of the good guys look like a bad guy which isn't always the case. Are we good on that?:cheers:

[GDM]

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i may be acting like a fool on the internet , but i have an excuse , i had 2 boats 2 months ago and now i have none !!! without a boat im going crazy , so i have to resort to reading about boats on the web and searching for a new boat on the web , im having boating withdrawal

dirk pitt still has 2 boats (and an umlimited supply of vanilla milkshake) so whats his excuse ?
:)

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[WILDMAN]

I have 14 boats. How many do ya wanna buy?

[GDM]

I have 14 boats. How many do ya wanna buy?


will ya take 12 grand for that rally sport :)


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[WILDMAN]

OH! You don't want the motor?

[GDM]

nah , the turnkey package , after i got low balled on my cougar im offering everyone what i want to pay

the market is weak right now so if im patient i can hook up on some great deals

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[tux974]

I've got no warranty to worry about.....it's expired, as is, no warranty.

I also forgot to mention when you buy a REAL boat from a REAL company warranty never expires :thumbsup:;):D It's all good :D:D :cheers:

MRagu,
It's all good here!! We love each other :eek::eek: :)
BTW, Buy a Real boat with a Real motor from Real companies;):D:)
Can you lend me some $$$ to buy one also :cheers:

[Dirk Pitt]

[QUOTE=GDM;1425817].

i may be acting like a fool on the internet , but i have an excuse , i had 2 boats 2 months ago and now i have none !!! without a boat im going crazy , so i have to resort to reading about boats on the web and searching for a new boat on the web , im having boating withdrawal

dirk pitt still has 2 boats (and an umlimited supply of vanilla milkshake) so whats his excuse ?
:)

It takes a real man to say those words, and that I respect, I will say this if I have offended any of my S&F brothers I apologize, but I have strong opinions on certain issues, be that as it may, they are just my opinions and in the big scheme of things, they mean nothing.

GDM , I know how you feel, and if you would like, you can come with me any Wed night and be my guest, :)

[Pro300x24LD]

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i may be acting like a fool on the internet , but i have an excuse , i had 2 boats 2 months ago and now i have none !!! without a boat im going crazy , so i have to resort to reading about boats on the web and searching for a new boat on the web , im having boating withdrawal

dirk pitt still has 2 boats (and an umlimited supply of vanilla milkshake) so whats his excuse ?
:)

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I feel your pain, I've been down since before the fourth of july. Never did I realize how much I enjoyed boating until I spent the last 5-6 weeks not boating.

[GDM]

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now that were all in group hug mode i just wanna say , i was laughing the whole time we were having this "fight" . i hope nobody was talking the smack talk to hart

i go online to amuse myself and arguing on forums is funny to me , its one of my favorite pastimes next to looking at boats to buy and and porn :)

[Trikki1010]

i go online to amuse myself and arguing on forums is funny to me , its one of my favorite pastimes next to looking at boats to buy and and porn :)

Ya know there is no guarantee with PORN :eek::p:reddevil:

[GDM]

*for sale* , perfectly good fishing boat , this boat was used very gently , i only drove this boat on sunday to take my grandmother back and forth to church , never sunk , best offer
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee248/elitemate/sink.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee248/elitemate/sink2.jpg

[GDM]

:)

all kidding aside , i was on the jetski on Sunday , i went out of fire island inlet and back in through moriches inlet , i seen a diving crew lifting this submerged boat just west of moriches inlet (in the ocean)

[Dirk Pitt]

would that be considered a tow? or salvage?:confused::smiletest: now thats a whole other topic......

[lightspeed]

Looks Like That Was Down For Awhile

[RobF]

I wonder if that was the Tiara or Topaz that went down a few weeks ago?
sure looks like it could be one of that type of boat?

[RobF]

im wondering if the owner of the boat is happy or crapping his pants

[Ospreyproduction]

would that be considered a tow? or salvage?:confused::smiletest: now thats a whole other topic......

Oh hell......I don't know if I can handle another topic like this one. Please, nothing controversial.:leaving:

[Dirk Pitt]

Oh hell......I don't know if I can handle another topic like this one. Please, nothing controversial.:leaving:

lol, my stomach hirts from laughing:D

[Ospreyproduction]

lol, my stomach hirts from laughing:D

I think we all need to get together and have a beer before we shoot each other! lol..... The beer would be much better.:thumbsup:

[Dirk Pitt]

I think we all need to get together and have a beer before we shoot each other! lol..... The beer would be much better.:thumbsup:


Pm your address Ill send you a six pack :cheers: If you ever come up this way it would be a pleasure :thumbsup::iagree:

[GDM]

GDM , I know how you feel, and if you would like, you can come with me any Wed night and be my guest, :)

nah your boats are too fast :), i would love to take you up on that but im a chicken

when im driving ill go full speed through anything but i hate being a pasenger in a fast boat . i would probably feel comfortable in the skater though

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[Dirk Pitt]

nah your boats are too fast :), i would love to take you up on that but im a chicken

when im driving ill go full speed through anything but i hate being a pasenger in a fast boat . i would probably feel comfortable in the skater though

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I promise Iwont go over 50mph:rolleyes:, but you should try a ride in the Skater, hell you might like it so much, you might even buy one:D, and just think you only have to drive around the block for a ride:thumbsup:

[GDM]

I promise I wont go over 50mph:rolleyes:, but you really should try a ride in the Skater, hell you might like it so much, you might even buy one:D


i already do want one , the two 300x's (on my cougar)was too much for me .

my plan is to buy a cruiser(like a 33 to 40 footer) and then eventualy get a single engine outboard boat capable of triple digits

a 21 skater would be good for me , or maybe a trick (thats whay i was busting balls on this thread ) i really like center pod cats so i wouldnt rule out liberator or the others

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[Dirk Pitt]

i already do want one , the two 300x's (on my cougar)was too much for me .

my plan is to buy a cruiser(like a 33 to 40 footer) and then eventualy get a single engine outboard boat capable of triple digits

a 21 skater would be good for me , or maybe a trick (thats whay i was busting balls on this thread ) i really like center pod cats so i wouldnt rule out liberator or the others

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Buying used is always a challange, but new is new, and as long as you get YOU KNOW WHAT LOL its all good:D:thumbsup:

[GDM]

i remember the first time i rode in a 24 skater , we were cruising just over a 100 and it felt like we were doing 50 in a car , my mouth was watering and i was hooked


but i can honestly can say i liked my 23 cougar better , no porpose anywhere , turned great ,just a great ride in chop


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[GDM]

first i really want to get a big boat to lounge on

i wont be ready to get the cat until next summer or maybe even the summer after, so we will see how the trick boats pan out , im hoping that transom situation was an isolated incident LOL

i know some people hate splashes but i personally like having cool boats available to me and skater isnt making the 21
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[Dirk Pitt]

i remember the first time i rode in a 24 skater , we were cruising just over a 100 and it felt like we were doing 50 in a car , my mouth was watering and i was hooked


but i can honestly can say i liked my 23 cougar better , no porpose anywhere , turned great ,just a great ride in chop


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I know, you may or may not remember, but you blew by me and Joey East Coast one day in some chop, and we tried like hell to get you, but no way no how, we were in the Superboat with the tie bars:D

[GDM]

I know, you may or may not remember, but you blew by me and Joey East Coast one day in some chop, and we tried like hell to get you, but no way no how, we were in the Superboat with the tie bars:D


that boat(the cougar) really suprised me in some nasty 3 foot bay chop east of the bridge , but i would imagine it wouldnt be as good as a 24 skater , in lets say some true 5 foot ocean swells , but i guess ill never find out


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[Ospreyproduction]

I have never had a boat that I've had more fun in than my 21 Skater. I sold it to Euroski here on the board and he put a 300XS on it. I have had 21 boats including my current Talon 25, and the Skater is the only boat that I not only wanted back but tried to buy back after I sold it. He said no way.

[Ospreyproduction]

I like this......back to beer drinking chatter. :thumbsup: Gone to get a beer to celebrate!:cheers::leaving:

[GDM]

I have never had a boat that I've had more fun in than my 21 Skater. I sold it to Euroski here on the board and he put a 300XS on it. I have had 21 boats including my current Talon 25, and the Skater is the only boat that I not only wanted back but tried to buy back after I sold it. He said no way.


to me boats are like women , the best one is the next one :thumbsup:


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[Dirk Pitt]

I have never had a boat that I've had more fun in than my 21 Skater. I sold it to Euroski here on the board and he put a 300XS on it. I have had 21 boats including my current Talon 25, and the Skater is the only boat that I not only wanted back but tried to buy back after I sold it. He said no way.


That was one beautiful boat:smiletest:, even Marine Man loved that boat:D

[mragu]

now this thread really sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why don't you two get a room, you're makin me puke!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dirk Pitt]

Why do you post in Pink, are there some inner, subliminal emotions trying to bust out?

[tux974]

now this thread really sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why don't you two get a room, you're makin me puke!!!!!!!!!!!

Ditto!!

Ragu, How does that go quality does not cost it pays :eek: ;) :)

Lee, Send me some :cheers: please!!

[Ospreyproduction]

Lee, Send me some :cheers: please!!

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

[mragu]

Why do you post in Pink, are there some inner, subliminal emotions trying to bust out?

i posted in pink because of all the love you two were showing

[Pro300x24LD]

You guys all turned soft....I'm going home.

[Trikki1010]

You guys all turned soft....I'm going home.

I tried to tell ya there was no guarantee on the PORN :eek::eek::eek:

[GDM]

You guys all turned soft....I'm going home.

was that a typo ?

was the last "e" in that sentence supposed to be an "o" ? :D

hom"e"


just joking

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[Euroski]

Still a great Skater Lee, I been doing the little things on it since my days off and rain seem to be the same this year. Only got 7 hours run time this season. But if I ever want to sell you will be the first one to call>




I have never had a boat that I've had more fun in than my 21 Skater. I sold it to Euroski here on the board and he put a 300XS on it. I have had 21 boats including my current Talon 25, and the Skater is the only boat that I not only wanted back but tried to buy back after I sold it. He said no way.

[GDM]

Still a great Skater Lee, I been doing the little things on it since my days off and rain seem to be the same this year. Only got 7 hours run time this season. But if I ever want to sell you will be the first one to call>


if he dont want it send me a pm :)


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[Pro300x24LD]

was that a typo ?

was the last "e" in that sentence supposed to be an "o" ? :D

I'm gay and was hoping we could hook up!!:p

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Stop turning pink and sticking your tongue out at me, I don't swing that way, you must hang out at one of those gay bars on wrong island too much!!! :leaving::leaving:




























sorry, had to, you left yourself wide open.

[GDM]

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LoL


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