115 HO and 130hp V-4 Finally!!!!

[bworner]

Along with the official release of the 25/30 E-TEC Evinrude also released pricing and ordering for the new much anticipated 130hp v-4 E-TEC, and the unknown 115 HO, with the higher performance tuning.......This should kick azz on smaller performance boats that love the V-4 design and light weight, as we know the 115hp V-4 already is far superior to than the 4strokes or other DI's......Funny thing is the 115 HO and 130 are the same price, and of the record from what I hear from my inside guys, add the 10% rule to the 130, obviously it has not been tested by BWB or anyone else, but so far my guys have known more than supposed Evinrude know it all's,by the way the new v-4s are the same displacement the extra HP must be tuning, I have'nt seen the new HO decals, but they are gonna release new stars and stripes designs, I have not seen it yet though.........Boat show time should be great for BRP and E-TEC, happy dreaming.................:reddevil:

[Markus]

Funny thing is the 115 HO and 130 are the same price,


Maybe that is because they are the same engine. :rolleyes:



and of the record from what I hear from my inside guys, add the 10% rule to the 130, obviously it has not been tested by BWB or anyone else, but so far my guys have known more than supposed Evinrude know it all's,


Perhaps. So far, they have struggled to get 115 hp out of the Etec V4, so going 140+ might be a bit of a challenge... :rolleyes:



by the way the new v-4s are the same displacement the extra HP must be tuning

That is certainly no news in the outboard world. :rolleyes:

[bworner]

Kind Of Confused On Your Reply????? When Dynoed The 115 Has Done Advertised Hp And More, So Not Sure What You Have Read Or Experienced....the 130 Is Supposedly +10% , And When You Dyno The Other Guys 115hp's They Minus The Yammie F115 Four Stroke, All Have Been Under 115hp, The Yammie Is A Strong Motor Like The Etec, And For Sure Documentation Has Not Been Confirmed Until The Meeting Last Monday, 3 Days Ago, New Cowling And Hp.................hope This Helps The Actual People That Are Interested, Not Negative Non Believers, Have A Good Day All:)

[E-tec1]

Are smart enuf not to say what isnt yet,

[bworner]

could you send me some info on the scheduling for this years races around illinois this summer, my 9yr old son and I would love to come out there and watch that motor of yours, the head tech guy from BRP was at our marina a couple weeks ago and we were talking about your outboard, if you could email me or privatemessage me, email-worner_brannon@yahoo.com, thanks alot, Brannon

[racer]

Markus,

Making the power has not been the problem, It has been making the power and keeping it well within the 3 star limitations.

[Adam Younger]

That 130 HO should be a great engine - I think they have the existing V4 weighing in at 167kg - so would work on a whole lot of smaller boats.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

That 130 HO should be a great engine - I think they have the existing V4 weighing in at 167kg - so would work on a whole lot of smaller boats.

The above quote is incorrect.
The alleged V4 E-Tecs listed above are a 115HO and a 130HP NOT a 130HO which could be up to 143hp according to the 10% rule. It would seem that if the initial post is correct (#1 above) then the 115HO could be a high performance motor with a special gearcase possibly with a more direct gear ratio & performance tuning for the GOFAST crowd. Very exciting stuff. We could have yet another E-Tec "250HO type motor" about to cause some serious assaults in the outboard HIGH PERFORMANCE market. I believe, these V4's (if true) are the continuation of the new "GREEN" 2 stroke revolution which we are all locked into & I also believe there is a lot more to come from BRP.
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[FrenchPhil]

167kg for the V4 is not impressive considering the the smaller Etec V6's like the 150HO are at 190kg. For the smaller boats I'd stick with the carbs like the 3cyl Yammie 70 or 90hp that weigh 100-125kgs. Even the Tohatsu DI & the Etec 90hp are at 143-145kgs, so I don't see the advantages of the V4 speedwise for the lighter boats.

[83PREDICTOR]

167kg for the V4 is not impressive considering the the smaller Etec V6's like the 150HO are at 190kg. For the smaller boats I'd stick with the carbs like the 3cyl Yammie 70 or 90hp that weigh 100-125kgs. Even the Tohatsu DI & the Etec 90hp are at 143-145kgs, so I don't see the advantages of the V4 speedwise for the lighter boats.

I agree, the 4cyl Etec weighs about the same as my V6 Merc.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

167kg for the V4 is not impressive considering the the smaller Etec V6's like the 150HO are at 190kg. For the smaller boats I'd stick with the carbs like the 3cyl Yammie 70 or 90hp that weigh 100-125kgs. Even the Tohatsu DI & the Etec 90hp are at 143-145kgs, so I don't see the advantages of the V4 speedwise for the lighter boats.
Excuse my ignorance but arn't the carb being phased out because of the emissions situation. It seemed that 2008 was the last year for carbed V6 motor elegibility in Rouen 24 hour. Please update me.
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[E-tec1]

but i believe the 135 opti wieghs alot more than the V4 etec, the 115 opti is a 3 cyl and yes it is lighter, would be nice to see a comparison between the 115 vs the 115, even the 130 vs the 135, just for the fun of it.Now if ur comparing the old carb 135, the wieghts might be closer, but they dont make those anymore

[FrenchPhil]

Nirvana, the Carbed Johnson V6 is dead March 2009 but not the V6 Mercury.
In Europe you can't produce carbed motors anymore but they can still be sold.
The new emissions standard don't change the fact that power to weight is still important for speed boats & the V4's were never good at that.
The 135 Opti is a definite pig at 195kgs.

[bworner]

ok guys, we all know the reason the 135 opti is heavy is because its the 2.5 liter v-6, theoretically the exact same besides some tuning for the 150 opti, and remember a little mouse told me that the 150 opti now puts out only 146hp because of tightening epa, so do the math on the 135 opti if 10% is real, also, the v-4 115 and i-3 115 opti though rated the same are quite different, the 3cyl mercs have always been kind of rough for me, but thats a 3cyl, where the 115 v-4 is a beautiful engine, and rememeber back in the day that motor was factory tuned from 75hp up to 140hp, i believe the 140 v-4 was the highest they got on production outboards, supposedly the 130 E-TEC was rumored to be in the 140-143hp range, when driven my buddy said it was a power house, remembering we are talking a small block motor, not a 300 or 350, also like I said the 115ho is for some reason the exact same price as the 130, with no difference in lower units, today their is no bullet unit for the 115ho, so we are talking about the NEW HO DECAL PACKAGE THAT WILL DEBUT FOR 2009, but it is a "cheater"motor maybe???? 2009 will be killer, and the talk of carbed motors is as dead as carbed cars, yammie is done with production and I believe merc is done also, it is an end of an era...........

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Thanks Brannon & French Phil.

Just remember this V4 E-Tec is the 1726cc powerhead not the 2000cc powerhead. The 1726cc started life in 1995 as the Intruder V4. It is a wonderful engine. It has never been officially sold as bigger then 115hp so this has undergone some serious R&D to now be a 130hp & still be emissions compliant. It believe it will be a widely accepted motor as the 115hp has & is.
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[bworner]

Now You Should See These Down Under Earlier Than Us Right??? We Will Get Our Little Ones In Fall, V-4's Are Expected Late Fall Or Winter, But We Will For Sure Have Them For The All Important Boat Shows, I Would Like To Find A Small Pad V Hull Thats Solid And Use One Of Them, Any Ideas????

[Adam Younger]

167kg for the V4 is not impressive considering the the smaller Etec V6's like the 150HO are at 190kg. For the smaller boats I'd stick with the carbs like the 3cyl Yammie 70 or 90hp that weigh 100-125kgs. Even the Tohatsu DI & the Etec 90hp are at 143-145kgs, so I don't see the advantages of the V4 speedwise for the lighter boats.

The 167 is not that impressive if comparing against engines from a different era - but is good if you are comparing against what is actually available to day.

I don't think there is going to be any comparison between an E-Tec 130 and a Yamaha 90 or Tohatsu - unless you have a boat that was originally set up for a much lighter engine - but that is not comparing like for like anyway.

[theoldwizard]

The Evinrude web site lists a 115HP but no 115HO or 130.

Also interesting, the 115HP is a 60 degree V4 with the same bore and stroke (91mm x 66mm) as the 2.6L V6

[bworner]

Yes Evinrude Is Slow To Put Stuff On The Net, The 250 Ho Took Months To Be Put On The Net, It Is Being Built We Just Ordered Some, Brannon

[theoldwizard]

Thanks Brannon & French Phil.

Just remember this V4 E-Tec is the 1726cc powerhead not the 2000cc powerhead. The 1726cc started life in 1995 as the Intruder V4. It is a wonderful engine. It has never been officially sold as bigger then 115hp so this has undergone some serious R&D to now be a 130hp & still be emissions compliant...
I can not find the reference, but at one time Evinrude was going to use the Rotax RAVE technology on this engine to get it up to 130HP. I don't know if this has become fact or not.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I can not find the reference, but at one time Evinrude was going to use the Rotax RAVE technology on this engine to get it up to 130HP. I don't know if this has become fact or not.

That time has not YET come. Other things are being explored. BRP know their stuff. The number one hurdle is EMISSION COMPLIANCE whether we like it or not. If that was not the issue there would already be 400hp plus consumer outboard engines but lets face it who could afford to run them.

(Diesel) Fuel in OZ is now US$7.20 a USgallon where I live (aprox). What a joke.

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[bworner]

I HAVE PICS OF THE NEW 115 HO WITH THE NEW HO GRAPHICS PKG, IF AYONE WANTS THEM EMAIL ME I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO POST THEM HERE, worner_brannon@yahoo.com

[ROLF]

rolfsauto@aol.com Thanks

[buttapollock1010]

I hope all this talk is true. Would like a 130 v4 to replace my yammie 130 which will be getting replaced when she finally blows. I would like a 150 HP motor but fishing tourney rules state that I can not go above manufacture rated HP.
Robert

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I hope all this talk is true. Would like a 130 v4 to replace my yammie 130 which will be getting replaced when she finally blows. I would like a 150 HP motor but fishing tourney rules state that I can not go above manufacture rated HP.
Robert

Believe me it is ALL TRUE. Very close now. The 115HO is out there all ready. I have the pics but can only post when it's OK with BRP.

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[bworner]

The Motor Is For Sale, Pics Can Be Released Thats Why The Factory Got Them To Me, They Know That I Will Let You All Know, So Let Them Fly................about 1 Month Down Time From Now For Shipments....................

[zinger]

and of the record from what I hear from my inside guys, add the 10% rule to the 130, obviously it has not been tested by BWB or anyone else, but so far my guys have known more than supposed Evinrude know it all's


Perhaps. So far, they have struggled to get 115 hp out of the Etec V4, so going 140+ might be a bit of a challenge... :rolleyes:

I'm guessing all the other manufacturers are putting out a dismal 100hp and lower with their 115hp's? I'm yet to see a current DI 2-stroke or 4-stroke that can keep up with a 115hp E-TEC.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

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http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/35217/2626113770101354590S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2626113770101354590AwDWQq)

It's a HO model. 124hp at the prop.

Thanks Brannon
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[bworner]

Hey Liquid, im still hearing from BRP guys that its a little hotter, but honesty and outboard manufactuer's do not totally mesh, especially when it comes to "HOT" motors....

[blkmtrfan]

Those look good :thumbsup:

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Now for the 130hp!! C'mon BRP. Show us.

Perfect little engines that sip fuel & have the major attributes that all buyer should be shopping for in all outboards. Horsepower & "TORQUE" which translates to more horsepower in the low mid range than any other outboard in its class. And in these days of disgraceful fuel costs are the perfect choice.
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[buttapollock1010]

Well I'm still waiting for a 130+HP motor. My yammi 130 has good mid-range punch that will put you in your seat! But it's 10yrs old, need to have some options, looking forward to seeing the new motor.
Robert

[phantomuk]

Any one got any specs or info on the 130, 115 ho?

[phantomuk]

Nice One Ken, thanks alot.
any extra info you get will be very useful.
by email would be preferred or post it on the 'other' forum.
Cheers

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Nice One Ken, thanks alot.
any extra info you get will be very useful.
by email would be preferred or post it on the 'other' forum.
Cheers

Be assured I will keep you up to date. I get some pretty amazing stuff come in from time to time & I am "peckered" with what I am hearing. Unfortunately I have to be a bit prudent with some of the info cos it it pretty 'world beating' & it would be wrong to tell the world about it too soon & keep faith with manufacturers. Just be assured that you are on the right track. Racing is not a level playing field & as we are locked into the so called "green" revolution the "dirty" stuff has to go. Just hang on.
The "other" OMC/BRP support forums are great arn't they!! Lotsa really passionate people helping others get the absolute best out of their investement.
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[ROLF]

Any talk of ''short'' 15 mids,just dreaming.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Doesn't hurt to dream, like a more direct gear ratio as well a 15" & a modded EMM would be nice.

Sorry I have not heard anything

[NNT]

OOPS They left the weight out for the two 115 models, 115 Optimax is 375 lbs, the 115 Etec is 380 lbs.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

115hp E-Tec 20" is 369lbs
115hp E-Tec 25" is 375lbs.

Sorry for NOT being politically correct NNT.

Happy to be of assistance mate.
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[NNT]

WOW You always amaze me by finding the absolute lowest weights listed for the BRP motors and the heaviest for all the others. You rock dude :thumbsup:

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

WOW You always amaze me by finding the absolute lowest weights listed for the BRP motors and the heaviest for all the others. You rock dude :thumbsup:

Its all in the brochures. Nothing secret.

[NNT]

Make sure to specify with or without prop, oil tank full or dry, gear case full or dry etc I wish all the manufacturers would have to weigh them the same way.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Me too. Perhaps we could write a letter to all the manufacturers & their employees & ask them nicely if they would be kind enough to set up a level playing field so we as consumers could be of absolutely no doubt that every specifications printed by each of them did not have a hidden agenda to gain an advantage in the advertising stakes.

Oh how I wish all the people in the world were perfect like you & I mate.
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[zinger]

WOW You always amaze me by finding the absolute lowest weights listed for the BRP motors and the heaviest for all the others. You rock dude :thumbsup:
The extra weight on the Opti must be the need for an alternator.

Belts suck!!! :thumbsup:

[phantomuk]

has anyone actually put a 115 etec on a dyno, what did it read out as i keep hearing they have 120 hp on tap?

[NNT]

Oh how I wish all the people in the world were perfect like you & I mate.
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I know man, but whatcha gonna do? :cheers: :D

[Wayne Cammidge]

While playing with Dyno's
Tell us what the torque figures are for all the engines in this class as well as HP.
Torque means so much to a boat. What are torque figures like for the new 4 strokes in comparison to the older 2 strokes.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

While playing with Dyno's
Tell us what the torque figures are for all the engines in this class as well as HP.
Torque means so much to a boat. What are torque figures like for the new 4 strokes in comparison to the older 2 strokes.

Who knows, what the torque figures are!!! No 4 stroke manufacturer is posting them. Wonder why.
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[bworner]

Hey guys, I can tell you from experience that the regular 115dpl (124hp) smokes on a 18foot bass boat, I drove a 2009 Bass Cat sabre single console rigged with a 115dpl v4, guys I got 52mph gps and thats with my big ass in there........To me that kicks ass when a 150 HO runs about 65mph gps, the 115ho with the new induction and exhaust was 3-4mph faster the other day on a Alumacraft 17foot deep v, that was comparing a 115 vs. 115ho neck and neck, pretty awesome.....:reddevil:

[Wayne Cammidge]

I now the manufacturers will not post torque figures, but was hoping that someone with one of the fancy dyno's would have been able to post their own findings

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Well here it is. 130HP. Sydney Boat Show. Great things come to those who wait. No official release date as yet. MIGHTY COMPACT POWERFUL GOOD LOOKIN' packages Too.


I also notice in the early version of the 2009 brochure that there is a 300hp 20" listed as well.



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[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Hey guys, I can tell you from experience that the regular 115dpl (124hp) smokes on a 18foot bass boat, I drove a 2009 Bass Cat sabre single console rigged with a 115dpl v4, guys I got 52mph gps and thats with my big ass in there........To me that kicks ass when a 150 HO runs about 65mph gps, the 115ho with the new induction and exhaust was 3-4mph faster the other day on a Alumacraft 17foot deep v, that was comparing a 115 vs. 115ho neck and neck, pretty awesome.....:reddevil:

The induction you speak of Brannon is actually "air induction' bought about by the new motor cover on the 115HO & the 130hp. Pretty nifty. It appears to be almost a tuned air intake motor cover. This together with the new tuned exhaust make an incredible package. No other manufacturer will get near it in it's horsepower or torque range. These motors ARE top of the heap for sure and look great as well.

[BadHabit 21]

That HO.has some sweet lookin graphics :cool:

[buttapollock1010]

So what will be the real HP differences between the 115HO and the 130? Same motor or what?
Robert

[bworner]

EXACT SAME MOTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously for the folks with a 115 to 125hp hulls will get that extra chunk of power, like LIQUID said, all you have to do is be patient to be at the top of the heap, it should be cool, oh also guys, on my Checkmate dealer book I got it says 300 HO, available LATE FALL 2008, MY BUDDYS AT BRP DONT KNOW ANYTHING????????? WEIRD HUH????:reddevil::reddevil::reddevil::reddevil:

[ROLF]

Any idea of 115HO/130 prices yet?

[bworner]

msrp is $11,620, for both, they are the exact same price, now obviously that is not even close to selling price, if you want a REAL price please call me at 920-295-2069 anytime, shop-920-787-5873 email-worner_brannon@yahoo.com THANKS BRANNON

[runpasthefence]

If the two are the same (115ho & 130), what are the advantages of buying a 115ho? Is it just a way for people with coast guard rated boats up to 115hp to gain a little horsepower without upsetting their insurers?

[buttapollock1010]

Brannon,

Sent you a email. thanks.
Robert

[Greg G]

Great question. What are the differences of the 115HO and the 130?

[bworner]

there are no differences between them, oh wait, one says 115ho the other says 130, seriously the pricing and everything is the same

[houser]

Different gearboxes, one intended to run higher in the water with speed (115 HO) and the other more rugged (130) bay-boat style I guess..is the short answer.
HP and casing very similar other than that yes...

best
jtm

[bworner]

There Is Absoulutely No Difference Between The 115ho And 130, They Have No Different Gears,lower Unit, Only Decals And #, For Sure

[houser]

I am sorry if I gave you guys the wrong info. I was sure I read that..but I guess I could be confusing it with the difference between 115 and 115HO and assuming these would be the same between 115HO and 130.
There must be some difference surely though...even if the gearboxes are the same...

apologies and best
jtm

[bworner]

honestly their is NO difference.....the 115 ho is goona kill all other 115 's on the market, heres why, the regular 115 etec already killed the 4 strokes, the opti, only thing that may be quicker would be a loop charged carbed 115, not sure though, the etec seems stronger than my johnson 140??

[houser]

Ok cool,

Could you tell me why they have the different names for them then?
I am very curious, as I am 95% intent on buying one of the two when they arrive over here. I want ruggedness over top end.

thanx again!
jtm

[espen22]

Hi there , does anyone know someone that can sell reprogrammed software for the evinrude 115 e-tec?
I am looking for more power, and i understand that there must be somthing to go on due to the carb III tuning of theese engines.

I think that the 130 e-tec is only a 115 with a diffrent mapping in the ecu.

Thank you for all kinds of reply to this:)

[bworner]

guys if you simply go to the top of this posting it is explained that the exhaust is the new 1 piece design, it has a ram air type of induction system, and for some reason my mind is forgetting the rest, if you have a boat that is rated for a 115, then its cool for us power freaks cause we get a "HOT" motor, the regular 115 is already hot, just not as torquey and has less top end, IT IS NOT JUST THE E.M.M., it is a different motor, the best thing to do is trade in your 115, you would be shocked what "good" dealers would rate that at, simply check nada.com, anyways, the 130 is for the guy/gal that has a 135,140,150 rated boat, the 130 etec will put up a good battle vs. a 150 4 stroke on the right type of hulls, this summer I personally drove at Bass Cats Dealer Meeting a 2009 Sabre 18 1/2 foot performance bass boat, I got 52mph GPS, and I have no reason to lie on that, believe it or not the sound of that motor fully trimmed out was superior to other companys 150 DFI's, and even BRP's 150,,,,,hole shot was quite impressive also, the 130/115ho in real world tests has been 2-4mph faster than the same hull with a 115 etec, so its producing POWER, anyone that wants charts, or specs and stuff, email me at worner_brannon@yahoo.com thanks

[houser]

Actually got a chance to speak to my dealer this week, and according to him there is a subtle but clear difference in gearcase exterior (sharper on the HO)
Also the water intakes being place higher on the HO, as on other HO models.
I guess he could be misinformed but he was certain...
Very similar but not identical it seems..
ah well, YMMV
FWIW etc etc...
jtm

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Actually got a chance to speak to my dealer this week, and according to him there is a subtle but clear difference in gearcase exterior (sharper on the HO)
Also the water intakes being place higher on the HO, as on other HO models.
I guess he could be misinformed but he was certain...
Very similar but not identical it seems..
ah well, YMMV
FWIW etc etc...
jtm

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[houser]

There's nothing like hard facts :cheers:

I will forward these images to my dealer and look forward to his answer ;-)
Thanx!

best
jtm

[bworner]

Guys, SO you all know who do not believe me, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 130 V4 AND THE 115HO, BESIDES STICKERS, NONE......Brp is not going to make a completely new gear case for the 115ho, when it will probably sell less than the 130.......Call me and you can talk to the guys that have built and developed it, I live 2 hours from the factory and hear this stuff daily......I WISH THEY MADE THE HO WITH A MODDED LIGHTNING GEARCASE, BUT THEY DID NOT......email-worner_brannon@yahoo.com or cell-920-295-2069 :cheers:

[bworner]

Hey Liquid, in your pics couldnt a educated boater notice that they are the exact same??? We all wish that the HO was like the rest of the lineup, its just gonna be a small segment that need the 130hp but have a 115 limit...

[houser]

hey bworner,

There is so much stuff flying around on the net, but I guess I know now that you are closer to the horse's mouth than I knew, and certainly than I am.
Thanx for your patience in educating the lesser..:cheers:
I guess it's asimple insurance issue than, which to choose...
best
jtm

[bworner]

Hey bud no worries, I just try to work the truth out of Evinrude reps and engineering guys if I can....We are a pretty big Etec dealer and I actually was like #11 or so in the nation for sales, not bad for a little family owned marina that has like 10 employees.....BRP is working their asses off compared to Mercury, Yamaha, and Suzuki, not to mention the lethargic HONDA, if HONDA cared they could mop up the competition...I feel BRP really puts money into their product and when you think about it, they are working on 1 type of technology, Merc has carbed 2 stroke, efi stroke, Optimax, efi and carbed 4 stroke (some are theirs some are subbed out), and Verado, which Verado is a kick ass motor, in my opinion, but it does not work for Bass guys or performance boater that want to squeeze out as much as possible, it sure kicks ass on a Tri-toon pontoon or a boat the requires silence, unbelievable smoothness and steering.....I feel that Etec is a great motor for most applications, on pontoons you need less HP to make them run, on fishing boats you can troll all day and pop on plane, in production performance applications you can keep up or beat other RACING DIVISION MOTORS, and generally help your customers or yourself, not to mention great customer service and owner and dealer support.....

[DJMikeyC]

All BRP is doing is MARKETING, MARKETING, MARKETING !!! They are using what worked for them in the snowmobile industry for the last 10 years! But there is a slight difference in the fact that snowmobile models are named by engine size and marine outboard models are named by HP output.

In the snowmobile industry, say you have a 600cc model snowmobile that makes 110hp, then you have a 600cc HO model snowmobile that makes 125hp, you can see it is a high output model because the engine size is the same but you are getting more HP, it's easy to see the difference.

In the marine industry, an outboard motor rated at 115 HP should make 115 HP, then to have a motor called a 115 HP HO model that makes 125 HP, when in reality it is a 130 HP engine restickered as a 115 HO. I see how people can get confused with this.

BRP has done a great job bringing great technology that they have been using for years in the snowmobile industry to the marine industry.

[bworner]

What really sucks for consumers is when they buy a motor that is not putting out the amount of HP it is advertised for. I was at Merc training last year in Fon du Lac and the guy actually said,"no ones 115 puts out 115hp, they all out out less." I immediately raised my hand because Yammies f-115 is a rocket compared to most, and will beat a Opti 115, kind of like the F150 Yamaha also, it flys. See Evinrude does the HO thing like Merc using Pro Xb or Pro xs now to say they are their hot motors, they are used to uprate a boat legally, 225= 250hp, 250=275, except certain 300hp motors that were only putting out reportedly 270hp, but that has changed supposedly on the new Series of that brand.....Good luck, plus having a "cheater" motor sure is fun on a nimble hull....

[DJMikeyC]

I agree consumers are the losers when they buy a motor that is putting out a lower amount of HP than it is advertised as having. But we are winners when they are exceeding the HP number thats advertized!!

"Cheater" motors are always fun!! In snowmobiling, most guys would peel off the HO stickers on thier sleds so others would not know they were the High Output models.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

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[bworner]

:reddevil:LIQUID YOU ARE THE MAN!!!! Dude im gonna just start reading your info so I can learn more and tell customers,......So are you thinkin these new v4's are gonna kick some Black and Blue grey ass this year??? I feel that since the F115 Yamaha 4 stroke already is faster than the 115 optipop that these will destroy those other motors, and hell might give some 135 v6's and on the right boat, might stay with a 150????? who knows though, Im trying to have my Evinrude connections get me a test motor for me to run, I told them I would sign a release for warranty and etc.......Hey we can all dream

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

:reddevil:LIQUID YOU ARE THE MAN!!!! Dude im gonna just start reading your info so I can learn more and tell customers,......So are you thinkin these new v4's are gonna kick some Black and Blue grey ass this year??? I feel that since the F115 Yamaha 4 stroke already is faster than the 115 optipop that these will destroy those other motors, and hell might give some 135 v6's and on the right boat, might stay with a 150????? who knows though, Im trying to have my Evinrude connections get me a test motor for me to run, I told them I would sign a release for warranty and etc.......Hey we can all dream

Your shipment must be close Brannon. The 130hp are coming & are in many dealerships already.
Did you see this as well?

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[BadHabit 21]

With trim :thumbsup:

[NNT]

A V6 135-175 Opti is only 20-30 lbs more then the V4 Etecs, can't see where running the 115ho or 130 is any kind of advantage? :confused:

[bworner]

Heres why our little ETEC DOUBTER< that weight and the inherent low torque produced by the 135 Opti means that if set up correctly the 130/115ho is supposed to be able to really shock doubters......Now NNT I have not driven them yet, however when the 150 Opti is honestly producing since 2006 only 146 prop hp(info given to me by Mecury) because of compliance with the EPA and a guy would think from the publicity that BRP brought to the world of DFI motors,.....Merc was gambling not on the Opti yet the Verado, then with etecs infomercial and quick marketing, they had to tune the Opti........If the 150 is 146, what is the 135???? Legally it could actually be the exact same as the 150, 135 +10%, 148.5, either way, the 130 and 115ho is different, no one is filling that market, and their is a HUGE market in the marine business for that size, Ranger and all manufacturers have boats that are 130, 140 rated, if they are rated for 115, now you have a 130 on the back in the 115ho, plus a modded 115ho or 130 on a old stream should be pretty cool, NICE TO SEE YOU ARE STILL AROUND NNT, HOPE ALL IS WELL, remember NNT you personally will get great pricing on ANY etec, just call me buddy, you can have the 1st 25/30 in Florida?????:reddevil:

[NNT]

..........................but this site is pretty much interested only in repowers and you will NEVER convince me a 130hp V4 will run better then a 135hp V6. That V4 will have less useable torque and have to work harder then the V6. Thats just common sense. I am not bad mouthing the V4 at all, it's a great engine and been around in years in various forms. It has just finally gotten the Etec treatment, thats all. I'm sure it's a great outboard, whats the cost of that 130 Etec? Post prices here so all can see, no need to make me your confidant. You'll never see any Etec on the back of my little 13 Whaler, they are all too heavy IMO. I'll more then likely drop a reworked 2cyl 60 hp on the back and give the tree huggers fits when I start up at the ramp. :reddevil:

[buttapollock1010]

So what's the deal? Anyone running a 130 on a boat yet? I need a 115HO or 130. I'm leaning towards the yammie f115 so I do not have to change gauges. I like the 2 stroke throttle response/torque for holeshot. Anyone have a competitive price for a etec 130 at 8k or is yamaha all alone at this price? Thanks. Robert

[Senderofan]

Robert:

Not sure what boat you want to hang an F115 or e-tec on?? My father had an F115 on his 17+ foot Lund boat. The yammi was a nice motor...got good fuel economy but the thing was really a dog out of the hole and didn't seem much quieter at cruise than my Merc. 150 XR6. The yammi was propped correctly...and we were left scratching our heads...since the boat was rated for something like 120 hp max.

After I began the process of re-powering to an e-tec..my father traded in his boat...got something a little bigger and with a 150 e-tec. I don't think he would have traded and gone with an e-tec if he was thoroughly satisfied with the F115.

I think you'll find most folks are satisfied with their yammi's....and for good reason. For me, I'm really looking forward to trying out my new e-tec! I'll really be happy with an easier starting and more efficient motor than my old carb'd Merc. The 115 h.o. and 130 sound like real performers..and I wouldn't hesitate to consider them.

Good Luck,

Wayne

P.S.

The current promotion from BRP for re-powers includes gauges...so you wouldn't have to pay for new ones.

[Capt.Insane-o]

135 opti is a turd. Been down that road. I'm anxious to run the 115 and 130 once the water is'nt so hard.

[bworner]

Obviously guys I would be telling you all about the motors (115HO-130) yet we have Feet of ICE.......I can tell you for the perf crowd the motor looks evil in person....Im wondering when BRP will add the ram air to a v6, which WILL add power, maybe 275HO?????????????????

[buttapollock1010]

BW you have a PM thanks Robert

[mragu]

Brannon, Call your BRP rep. Send me a 115HO in Blue and I'll rig it on my Viper. Then you can prove the technology once and for all.:eek:;):thumbsup:
I won't even charge for my usage:D

[ROLF]

Mike of course you know you must DRILL IT before you hang it!!!!

[mragu]

Mike of course you know you must DRILL IT before you hang it!!!!

I would just use 2 "c" clamps and a tiller motor:eek:

[gsxr_45]

Hi,my 130TEC hauls pretty good on my 17ft.double eagle ,got about 8 hours on it and still looking for A prop .done a 17 , 19 alum. Thinking its gonna be like a 19/20 SST or Viper we,ll see. Still pulls 5900 with a fishing load and that's a not right 19. So I'm thinking S/S 20 :) cause it loves to REV .The 4-6k range:)is NOW like a turbo lol lol but dude a DI 1.7lt.2Stroke Pissed off is gonna lay down some smack mine EASILY over reved a 17 at like 8/10ths throttle .With a 19 @ 5900 + 75percent trim was burning 10.49g/h and .18g/h at idle/troll speed 600rpm.thinking I should be around 45-47 with THE prop.went out the other day for the afternoon ripping around and jigging here and there , and burnt like 26lt.With mostly near redline running,it seems to get better every time I run it.Was gonna get a 150 but trolling with a 150/6 just doesn't sound right to me ,on a small boat any ways, marine gas is 4.5$/gal.now,so I think ill like my V4 .take care.

[bworner]

Hey GSXR. dude you are sooooooo Right, those motors ROCK.....they are very high performance from a Stock stand point, but im sure their are ways to beef that up....Get you some HO graphics and away you go.....Brannon

[gsxr_45]

Hey Brandon,that thing revs like a dirty mother(like it should)I won't even go out with my buddy and his DOG Honda lol JK SSSOOO Slow .I let him drive the 130 for a bit and with the I-Command system ,he was very impressed real time info at your finger tips.When the warranty is up I'm going get that thing JACKED up to 150-160 ala HO. at like 7500-8000:)gonna sound SSSS000 SWEET :)EXTRA power band PLEASE lol I might even get one of those 600cc DI E-TEC engines from a sled and fit it into HRC GP bike SSSSOOOO sick a 110-120HP/215lbs.GP bike:)I'm in love. With the DI 2 Stroke ,if you know anything about high output .with the current software ,the lines have crossed and the upside is only gonna get FASTER:)

[pcfithian]

I am seriously considering either the 130 or 150 E-Tec motor for a 25' Tolman Jumbo pilothouse skiff I am building. Most builders have put a Suzuki 140 on these and report great performance, usually 40 MPH top speed.

Any suggestions from the knowledge here on what would be recommended of these two motors?

I currently have a May-Craft 1800 skiff with an E-TEC 90, I am very happy with the performance and operation of this motor after 2+ years of operation.

Cheers and happy holidays to all!

[Markus]

Most builders have put a Suzuki 140 on these and report great performance, usually 40 MPH top speed.


If you mean the first generation 140 Suzuki 4-stroke, an 150 hp e-Tec would definitely be an improvement. That Suzuki is nowhere close to 140 hp. The 130 hp e-Tec may well be stronger, too.

[pcfithian]

Yes, first generation Suzuki 140 4-stroke, the one that is currently available.

[bworner]

PC, the 140 Suzuki I was always told really was a 120HP Motor, Ive never seen a dyno, but who knows. The 130 Etec, is a 133hp at the prop motor, its only a V4, so depending on weight of your craft, and pricing differences of a 130-150, a V6 may be better. So you know the 150 Etec is a MONSTER, its not really a 150, but its a pussy cat when your not runnin hard. The 130 V4 is a superb outboard, probably one of the best models built. The transition in RPMs from 4500rpms on is very strong, thats when the exhaust valve changes, and the motor rockets to 6000 rpms. The mileage is stellar, the noise, smoke is non existent. If you have any other "detailed" Evinrude questions you can email me personally at worner_brannon@yahoo.com im always here to help you guys, I feel that in certain models the Evinrude E-TEC is the BEST outboard out, period. Those are the 60,75-90, 115,115HO,130 V4, 150HO V6, and the 200HO.....If you need anything let us know. Brannon Worner:cheers:

[pcfithian]

Great advice, Brannon!

I think you have confirmed where I am leaning on this, the V4 130. The Tolman as built will only weigh ~1400 lbs. I don't really need to go above 40 MPH. My experience over the past 2 seasons with the 90 E-TEC on my May-Craft 1800 has been superb, it is the best outboard I have ever run.

But I can also say similar thiings about the 1995 Johnson 60 Deg 90 HP V4 that I ran until last summer on a Princecraft 17' aluminum center console. It ran perfect and had tons of power/torque in ~700 hours of use. But it did burn twice the fuel that the 90 E-TEC uses.

Knowing that the 130 V4 E-Tec is based on the same block makes me feel very comfortable that it would be a good choice for my Tolman under construction.

Besides, I have always felt that a white motor looks better on a boat than any other color!