Can I run this motor some more, or should I retire it?

[WATERWINGS]

Pulled the heads off the other day, and it didn't look to good inside.

Can I run it somemore, or is it time for a rebuild?

[WATERWINGS]

Compression is:

1-140

2-105

3-140

4-140

5-135

6-135

Checked the motor cold, fully charged battery, throttle WFO, sea level, air temp around 70.

Its hard to believe that the numbers are that high with all the scarring, so I double checked with a second compression gauge, and the two gauges were within 3 PSI of each other.

Wouldn't you know, right here at the begining of the season, and I find this.

[Eagle One]

The photos show a cylinder with a scuffed piston and aluminum deposited on the cylinder walls. This engine is beyond when it should have been rebuilt. Not meaning to offend you and I hope I don't but if you can't look at this engine and tell it needs major repair you need to go back to "outboard basics 101" I did not notice what size engine this is but if it's a chrome bore 200 I believe you'll need to have at least the cylinder you're showing sleeved. You need a major rebuild.

[WATERWINGS]

Those are pics of 3 or 4 of the cyl's.

All but one hole looks about like that, (not as bad as the one with the chrome worn thru though)

It a chrome bore 200, with two sleeves.

[Eagle One]

Yep looked at the photos closer. looks like a chrome bore 2.4 200 hp. You'll need a sleeve in that cylinder for sure.

[Raceman]

From the pics it looks to me like there're issues with more than one cyl. Looks like time to send it off and get the whole thing replated. It'd be impossible to tell what the pistons look like without pulling it down, but the question would be, is an old 2.4 worth spending the money on for a replate, PROBABLY a set of pistons, and no telling what else. Unless you've got sentimental attachment to it, it might be time to think about another engine. In any case, it's gotta be built or retired. It's gonna stick and go BOOM if you keep running it.

[trashy]

That aint no big deal. Run that mother, prop it to turn a MINIMUM of 6500. Just PLEASE make sure you have a video camera running. It won't take long.

[THEFERMANATOR]

That aint no big deal. Run that mother, prop it to turn a MINIMUM of 6500. Just PLEASE make sure you have a video camera running. It won't take long.

That's funny, I don't care who you are that there is funny.

[j_martin]

That aint no big deal. Run that mother, prop it to turn a MINIMUM of 6500. Just PLEASE make sure you have a video camera running. It won't take long.

And wear a helmet so #2 rod cap doesn't do you in.:eek:

[WATERWINGS]

Just my luck, the start of the season, and I have a bad motor.

Any idea how much it'll cost to put in four sleeves?

I suppose I will need at least five pistons too assumeing that the pistons will look just as bad as the cyinders?

The two steel sleeves may hone out, but I don't know.

So, I guess I am looking at 3 to 4 sleeves, probably 5 if not 6 pistons, full set of rings, a full gasket set, hopefully the bearings are good enough to re-use, or is it likely they are no longer any good too?

[D.B.S]

maybe,3.0 from tommy? sorry to hear bad news. i was planning on going ride friday

[outboards4life]

Just my luck, the start of the season, and I have a bad motor.

Any idea how much it'll cost to put in four sleeves?

I suppose I will need at least five pistons too assumeing that the pistons will look just as bad as the cyinders?

The two steel sleeves may hone out, but I don't know.

So, I guess I am looking at 3 to 4 sleeves, probably 5 if not 6 pistons, full set of rings, a full gasket set, hopefully the bearings are good enough to re-use, or is it likely they are no longer any good too?

after spending all the money you're going to spend new bearings are a must. I wouldn't do any rebuild without new bearings all around.

[WATERWINGS]

maybe,3.0 from tommy? sorry to hear bad news. i was planning on going ride friday

Thanks DBS, Welcome aboard !

I will fill you in if I see you on Friday.

[Greg Moss]

Look It will cost you about $250 a sleeve. You gonna need 6 pistons there is no reason to build a motor with 5 new pistons and one old one. say pistons are $125 each you about $1500 into it already and you haven't seen the bearings or bought gaskets.Shawn Jetton has a new rebuild long block O-ring motor 2.5 200 for 2 grand. put you electronics and carbs on it and you got a new motor and better performance and you have a newer motor period. Then the part about not having to be down for any length of time and screwing with a rebuild you could be back on the water faster. Oh his motor is on the Byuboys.

[rickriddle]

Sleeves $50 each, $120 each installed, piston kit $75- $80 each, plus rings , metal cage bearing $120 set of 6 , plus gaskets. Total parts $1300 - $1500

[roadkill636]

what do you think caused this?

[Greg Moss]

what do you think caused this?old age and heat.

[us1]

old age and heat.

and or oil.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I did this to a 85 EVINRUDE 140 looper. Was running up the ALAFIA RIVER at low tide and ran across a shallow area under full power. Coated the passages in mud and this same thing happened to me on 2 clinders from the mud insulationg the cylinder walls and not cooling them. Rather expensive mistake from poor navigation mistake on my part.

[WATERWINGS]

Well, I guess I will let the cat ½ way out of the bag now.

This is a motor I JUST BOUGHT off of this site, from one of our “honest” members that said this motor needed nothing, and ran great.
All I want is my money back, and so far, I get no satisfaction.

I will keep the details to myself for now, and continue to try to get my money back, but so far its not lookin to good.

Any suggestions?

[jphii]

Well, I guess I will let the cat ½ way out of the bag now.

This is a motor I JUST BOUGHT off of this site, from one of our “honest” members that said this motor needed nothing, and ran great.
All I want is my money back, and so far, I get no satisfaction.

I will keep the details to myself for now, and continue to try to get my money back, but so far its not lookin to good.

Any suggestions?

Yes: Get a hold of Greg and Raceman. Provide them with the details and any correspondence you have with the seller. Make sure you give them your phone number so they can speak with you directly if need be. They need to know what the deal is.

One more thing. Some guy named Tommy builds motors kinda local. Maybe you oughtta deal with him in the future.

[WATERWINGS]

TRU DAT...........

I guess that the last motor I bought last year was so nice and clean that I just thought that this one would be too.

It still had 6 chrome holes with the crosshatching still on the walls.

I guess everyone doesn't have the same conscience.

He is basically saying that he doesn't care what the inside looks like, it runs great, and that I should put the heads back on it, and run it............OR SELL IT ??? WTF???

I'm not gonna screw someone else just because I got screwed........THATS:bs:

[oldskier]

Tough call. With the posted compression numbers, I can guess the seller could easily say, 'needed nothing-ran great', and be totally honest if he hadn't pulled the heads. I dunno what mine looks like in there either, but as far as I know, it needs nothing, it runs great.

It's a bad sitch....good luck.

Bernie

[WATERWINGS]

Yea, I can see that side too, but after I told him what the insides looked like,

and (I think) he has looked at the pics, he still wont tell me that I can get

my money back. (which is all I want)

I don't even hold hard feelings, at this point.........but its getting harder to keep that frame of mind as time goes by without starting to hold a grudge.

[trashy]

First of all waterwings, my earlier post was a joke and I hope that you didn't take anything personal.

I don't have a "dog in this fight" by any means, but if the guy saw the pictures and tells you that it's ok and to run it, that's pretty f'ed up in my opinion.

One kind of key that I'm looking at here is that he also, in your words, said "...or sell it". That to me raises a HUGE red flag.

I have both bought and sold parts and props on this site. I ALWAYS tell the truth with everything and try to present it as I truthfully know it is. So far I have not run into any bad deals buying stuff, and to my knowledge non of the people that bought stuff from me has been unhappy with their purchase.

My advice... if the guy doesn't make it right and buy it back, I would post the details. It's a hard thing to do (I had to do as such on a different site), but people need to know.

Regarding your original post though, I wouldn't run that thing on ANY boat that I cared about, and if I did run it I wouldn't go any faster than idle. Running that could get you hurt and is just a disaster waiting to happen.

[Slow Boat]

WATERWINGS, i would be very careful what you are telling this forum about this deal. this is a very honest guy who told you the exact truth from the start. i have witnessed this whole deal and you are not telling the entire truth. he was willing to work with you an you hesitated on sending it back. your high compression #,s dont match up for a stock 2.4 either. i know this motor was a great running engine with no problems whatsoever. read all the info on the original ad and you will see this was a honest sale. no doubt. :eek:

p.s. OLDSKIER,s comment is very true.
Tough call. With the posted compression numbers, I can guess the seller could easily say, 'needed nothing-ran great', and be totally honest if he hadn't pulled the heads. I dunno what mine looks like in there either, but as far as I know, it needs nothing, it runs great.

It's a bad sitch....good luck.

Bernie

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[jphii]

WATERWINGS, i would be very careful what you are telling this forum about this deal. this is a very honest guy who told you the exact truth from the start. i have witnessed this whole deal and you are not telling the entire truth. he was willing to work with you an you hesitated on sending it back. your high compression #,s dont match up for a stock 2.4 either. i know this motor was a great running engine with no problems whatsoever. read all the info on the original ad and you will see this was a honest sale. no doubt. :eek:

If that's the case why is the original ad gone, as in deleted?

[flabum1017]

One cylinder being 35#'s lower than the other is a dead give-away that that motor was not running well. And I bet those compression numbers would go down once the engine is warmed up



Did the head gaskets look like they were just replaced?

[Raceman]

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So let me make REAL sure I understand this completely before we get into a FULL IP search looking for overlaps (duplicate screen names)................ a 44 post member (including the 30 plus ads he deleated in buy & sell) who basically uses S & F ONLY for advertising and hasn't supported it in any way is going to lecture a RESPECTED MEMBER of over 7 years and 5000 plus posts about the "honesty" of another member who ALSO uses Scream and Fly VIRTUALLY for no other reason other than free advertising with 365 posts, almost ALL in buy & sell and who also hasn't supported the website in any way. Does that about cover it?

[Fish]

One cylinder being 35#'s lower than the other is a dead give-away that that motor was not running well. And I bet those compression numbers would go down once the engine is warmed up



Did the head gaskets look like they were just replaced?

My thoughts exactly, and if the gaskets did look new it would be hard to not notice the aluminum or the condition of the cylinder walls.

I don't know all the fact and there are some fairly ignorant people who could have a motor like that and not know the extent of the damage beyond it is not running right; was the seller a weekend warrior or someone who would probably know better?

[oldskier]

WATERWINGS, i would be very careful what you are telling this forum about this deal. this is a very honest guy who told you the exact truth from the start. i have witnessed this whole deal and you are not telling the entire truth. he was willing to work with you an you hesitated on sending it back. your high compression #,s dont match up for a stock 2.4 either. i know this motor was a great running engine with no problems whatsoever. read all the info on the original ad and you will see this was a honest sale. no doubt. :eek:

p.s. OLDSKIER,s comment is very true.
Tough call. With the posted compression numbers, I can guess the seller could easily say, 'needed nothing-ran great', and be totally honest if he hadn't pulled the heads. I dunno what mine looks like in there either, but as far as I know, it needs nothing, it runs great.

It's a bad sitch....good luck.

Bernie
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As I mentioned....Tough call!

If I were the seller and the buyer wanted to return at no cost to me I would honor that and return the $$$.

On the other hand I don't feel he is OBLIGATED to do so. I just think my reputation is worth more than the $$$.

Not taking sides here, just stating what seems obvious to me.

John and I did some business and he is a stand up guy, and gave me a great deal, I hate to see him in this sitch.

Bernie

[roadkill636]

[quote=WATERWINGS;1361839]Well, I guess I will let the cat ½ way out of the bag now.:( :( :( :bs: :bs: :bs:


I think the key word here is "1/2" In the famous words of PAUL HARVY
"the rest of the story" needs to be told

[roadkill636]

its kind of like when my wife tells people that her mom was 12 years old when she was born,,,,I allways have to jump in and say 1 word that changes the WHOLE story around..........."STEPmom"
makes a BIG difference, does'nt it

[WATERWINGS]

John and I did some business and he is a stand up guy, and gave me a great deal, I hate to see him in this sitch.

Bernie

Yea Bernie, thats why I haven't posted him name or user name, and hopefully this can be resolved without having to go that far.

I just don't understand why after he saw the pics and I told him what it looked like inside, he wont buy it back. (I will pay to have it shipped back)

I totally understand that maybe he didn't know what it looked like inside, but now he does.

Slow Boat, yes he did at first offer to let me ship it back to him, (at my expense, which is acceptable), and he would run a compression check on it.

He said that if it read what he says it read, then I would get it back C.O.D.

I know what it reads, and that shouldnt be a problem, but I have no control over what he says it is, even though I have tested with TWO different compression gauges.

I would LOVE to send it back to him, but I don't want it back.

SO, here is what I’m gonna do.

I’m gonna put a BRAND NEW set of head gaskets on, buy a BRAND NEW compression gauge, (this will be the third gauge used on this motor), and take ANOTHER set of readings.

I don’t know why I am even doing this, because the comp numbers are showing 135 on the worst looking bore, ( #5, the one that is worn thru the chrome to the aluminum underneath)

If they are still all the same as I got before, I will ask for my money back one last time.

If I still get no satisfaction, I will post his name.

This is NOT what I want to do, but at this point it may be all I have left to do.

I may still end up with a useless BOAT ANCHOR and an expensive lesson, but I can hopefully keep this from happening to another one of our members.

How do we prevent this from happening again? Not sure, I may already not buy anything else over the net again.

I don't see why that if he is an honest stand up guy, why wont he fix the problem.

If ya'll want more proof of the condition of this motor, I will take it to Tommy Dunn and have him check it over.........I think everone one on the east coast knows Tommy, and knows that he knows his $#*%.

Slow Boat, I would like to know what it is that I am not telling the truth about, right here in the main forum, or PM either way is fine.

I started this post to get feedback from all sides of this deal, and I welcome all opinions, good or bad.

I don't want to "taint" anyone's good name, and if I am proven wrong in anyway, I will apoligize to all.

With the comp numbers, high as they are, and the cylinders in as bad a shape as they are..........I am starting to understand the need to use leakdown testers.......maybe I should get one now.

[Raceman]

If I were the seller and the buyer wanted to return at no cost to me I would honor that and return the $$$.

On the other hand I don't feel he is OBLIGATED to do so. I just think my reputation is worth more than the $$$.

Bernie

Y'know Bernie, it's admirable that you'd willingly refund the $$$'s, but I think it's the ONLY right thing to do, and I also think that the seller DOES in fact have a VERY STRONG obligation to do so.

The fact is, the powerhead in the picture IS NOT in a condition that would be reasonably expected to give reliable and extended service, and in my opinion has a high likelyhood of failure the very near future. It is also NOT as advertised because of it's condition. The seller's response AFTER seeing the pictures to just run it and be happy because it will be fine or either to just sell it to somebody else is unacceptable.

You be the judge from the pictures. This is the ad that the powerhead was sold from:



this is a 1985 2.4 200 complete powerhead that is in very good shape. engine has been completely rebuilt with new electrics and wires from mercury. engine is all bone stock other than boyesen reeds and venturies on carbs. it needs nothing and is a very dependable engine. compression is 123 to 125 on all cylinders. 2000$obo plus shipping. please pm for any info. thanks.

NEW PRICE 1650$.
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[kingsbiship]

If a seller does nothing to resolve a problem, whether a refund of all or part,
or a repair of some sort to ease the burden of the buyer... that seller has a
red flag FOREVER! Too bad he can easily change his user name and start
fresh with a clean slate! THIS is what needs attention!... but just my opinion!

[Raceman]

Too bad he can easily change his user name and start
fresh with a clean slate! THIS is what needs attention!... but just my opinion!

Easily caught also, and THIS situation is getting a lot of scrutiny right now. See the moderator edit to post 26 in this thread.

[Fish]

Easily caught also, and THIS situation is getting a lot of scrutiny right now. See the moderator edit to post 26 in this thread.

OHHHHH Snap!!!!!! Good lookin out there Raceman!:thumbsup:

[Fish]

Easily caught also, and THIS situation is getting a lot of scrutiny right now. See the moderator edit to post 26 in this thread.

OHHHHH Snap!!!!!! Good lookin out there Raceman!:thumbsup:

[kingsbiship]

Now, how did I miss that l'il tidbit? Wow! Good catch! Fish... work on your
stuttering! (only kidding)

[1BadAction]

Posing as another member is one lie he has already been caught in, wonder how many others there are?

Nice ownage Raceman. I shall give it 1BadSeal of approval. LOL

[THEFERMANATOR]

Easily caught also, and THIS situation is getting a lot of scrutiny right now. See the moderator edit to post 26 in this thread.

OOPS! sort of tough when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

[boilerdawg]

WATERWINGS, i would be very careful what you are telling this forum about this deal. this is a very honest guy who told you the exact truth from the start. i have witnessed this whole deal and you are not telling the entire truth. he was willing to work with you an you hesitated on sending it back. your high compression #,s dont match up for a stock 2.4 either. i know this motor was a great running engine with no problems whatsoever. read all the info on the original ad and you will see this was a honest sale. no doubt. :eek:
p.s. OLDSKIER,s comment is very true.
Tough call. With the posted compression numbers, I can guess the seller could easily say, 'needed nothing-ran great', and be totally honest if he hadn't pulled the heads. I dunno what mine looks like in there either, but as far as I know, it needs nothing, it runs great.

It's a bad sitch....good luck.

Bernie

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:confused: well there you have it....impersonating a second party trying to lend some sort of credence to this bad crappy deal. he needs his ass whooped.

[baja200merk]

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/fighting/fighting0045.gif (http://www.getalmightycleanse.com)

Kevin:iagree:

[oldskier]

Y'know Bernie, it's admirable that you'd willingly refund the $$$'s, but I think it's the ONLY right thing to do, and I also think that the seller DOES in fact have a VERY STRONG obligation to do so.

The fact is, the powerhead in the picture IS NOT in a condition that would be reasonably expected to give reliable and extended service, and in my opinion has a high likelyhood of failure the very near future. It is also NOT as advertised because of it's condition. The seller's response AFTER seeing the pictures to just run it and be happy because it will be fine or either to just sell it to somebody else is unacceptable.

You be the judge from the pictures. This is the ad that the powerhead was sold from:


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"reliable and extended service"...Is THAT what was represented? Or was it "that said this motor needed nothing, and ran great."

"Needed nothing"...BS

"Ran great?" Maybe....

I bought my Viper with a real old 2.0 from a member here. He said it ran great. I rode in it, it ran great, reversed, idled well for 5 minutes, and I felt comfortable buying it. I have no idea what the cylinder walls look like.

If it kersplodes this season, and I take it apart and find it was shot when I bought it, can I post pics and get my money back? OR if I take the heads off now and find carnage before it kersplodes.....

( He didn't advertise it here, I'm just making a comparison)

I assume that if I buy something used, it's no warranty, no return UNLESS the seller gives indication he will back it up BEFORE the deal is done.

NOW....as to trying to defend yourself by coming back supposedly incognito and trying to cover yourself......got to suspect the honesty of the original sale....

Bad juju!

Bernie

[kingsbiship]

I think the part about it being "very dependable" should have been left out, to
say the very least!

[Riverratt]

This motor was advertised as completely rebuilt. That would lead me to believe it was in much better shape than the pictures show.

[Raceman]

"reliable and extended service"...Is THAT what was represented? Or was it "that said this motor needed nothing, and ran great."

"Needed nothing"...BS

"Ran great?" Maybe....



If it kersplodes this season, and I take it apart and find it was shot when I bought it, can I post pics and get my money back? OR if I take the heads off now and find carnage before it kersplodes.....

( He didn't advertise it here, I'm just making a comparison)

I assume that if I buy something used, it's no warranty, no return UNLESS the seller gives indication he will back it up BEFORE the deal is done.

NOW....as to trying to defend yourself by coming back supposedly incognito and trying to cover yourself......got to suspect the honesty of the original sale....

Bad juju!

Bernie

Here's the ad:



this is a 1985 2.4 200 complete powerhead that is in very good shape. engine has been completely rebuilt with new electrics and wires from mercury. engine is all bone stock other than boyesen reeds and venturies on carbs. it needs nothing and is a very dependable engine. compression is 123 to 125 on all cylinders. 2000$obo plus shipping. please pm for any info. thanks.

NEW PRICE 1650$.

Problems:
1. Very good shape
2. Engine has been completely rebuilt
3. Needs nothing
4. Very dependable engine

[oldskier]

This motor was advertised as completely rebuilt. That would lead me to believe it was in much better shape than the pictures show.

Now THATS a different story. Thats the first I've heard about supposed to have been rebuilt. I will shut up now.

[Riverratt]

If you read Racemans post #48 he has posted the for sale add.

[oldskier]

Riverratt, post 48 and 49 within one minute...we were cross-posting....sorry. I did not see that add until now. The money should be refunded without question.

[1BadAction]

That'll teach you to play devils advocate, right Bernie? :D

[oldskier]

1BA, I was envisioning having to sell off parts after my resto of the Viper don't work!

I hope it does, but...could happen....and I don't know WHAT mine looks like in there.

I won't be telling anyone I rebuilt it if I didn't though!

[jphii]

So what's going on, any word?

[WATERWINGS]

No real word.

I'm gonna try and call him one more time.......then go plan "B"

[150aintenuff]

That aint no big deal. Run that mother, prop it to turn a MINIMUM of 6500. Just PLEASE make sure you have a video camera running. It won't take long.

you would be supprised...... ive gotone like that im my garage that was still runninng after 188 hours with scoring.....

[WATERWINGS]

Still it was not "completely rebuilt and needs nothing"

That is what I paid for.

[1BadAction]

you're full of **** partin.

[150aintenuff]

Still it was not "completely rebuilt and needs nothing"

That is what I paid for.

actually it was..... had been rebuilt, then i had an oops, I got it hot, scored the crap out of it all6 needed redone, didnt care, ran it anyway... till 2 holes got down to 65PSI and the spread was from 140-50PSI when I retired it..

never turned less than 7K. just sounded like total chit, but I didnt recieve it in that condition either.... aint sayin what you have is right..... just that his discription could verywell been accurate when he listed it forsale, and then he ran it 1 last time and faqed it up... and it may infact live on for eternity and never need a single thing..... but personally id be doing the same thing you are.... if you havent ran it and it looks like that refund is in order for sure...

[150aintenuff]

you're full of **** partin.

nope.... ill get pics for ya of the HR meter and the bores on the motor if you would like.....

[joed]

All I can say here is that wings has got better things to do with his time than
to put a made up story on here to get attention. Its a shame that this man is gonna have to fight this out in some sort of small claims b/s court room. :bs: :bs:

[150aintenuff]

All I can say here is that wings has got better things to do with his time than
to put a made up story on here to get attention. Its a shame that this man is gonna have to fight this out in some sort of small claims b/s court room. :bs: :bs:

totally agree

[ncjoyota]

yea that sucks.. that mota might be worth a couple hundred, for parts, but definantly not sold as a bolt on HP mota.

Sup JoeD lets go fly down the tar

Joe

[WATERWINGS]

It looks like I may get a refund.

I spoke with the fellow today, and if all goes as planned, I will have a refund.

I will have to eat the shipping, but thats a little less painfull than the whole amount.

[j_martin]

I hope you don't wind up out your money, the scrap, and some more shipping.

John

[WATERWINGS]

I know what you mean.

Any suggestions on the best way to make this transaction?

[Moonshot180]

Could you pm me or post the guys name and/or other aliases he might have? Just in case he's slummin around in other boating forums.

[Raceman]

I know what you mean.

Any suggestions on the best way to make this transaction?

John, I will be happy to hold the funds (cashier's check made out to YOU) and release them to you only on his written okay once he has the powerhead back in house if that'll help. The ONLY way I would be comfortable doing it is IF there is a CLEAR and WRITTEN agreement on the front side of exactly under what conditions the funds would be released, and IF there's an agreement on the shipping back and forth, who pays, time frame, etc, etc. if it doesn't work out. (I'll even write the agreement if it'll help) In other words, I wouldn't want to be in a position to have any room whatsoever for decision making or judgement call. If that's not suitable with the seller because we've exchanged some heated PM's I would guess we could find another independent third party around the board here somewhere that he would agree to as an escrow agent. That would be the safest option.

[j_martin]

I know what you mean.

Any suggestions on the best way to make this transaction?


In person, with Vido and his violin case.:D

[jphii]

I know what you mean.

Any suggestions on the best way to make this transaction?

Does that mean he is gonna make it right?

[WATERWINGS]

As per our last conversation, (this morning) yes.

I will keep all posted.

I am willing to eat the shipping, just to make this go away.

Any suggestions are welcome.

[Greg Moss]

Any suggestions are welcome.
Raceman has a good one

[Ranger976]

on this particular thread. All is not lost for the seller and buyer:cool: if and only If the reverse transaction is conducted in a manner that will preserve the integrity of the party's involved. :) In short, the seller has agreed to refund the buyer's money... in return the buyer has agreed to ship the motor back paying for shipping. In order to protect both parties intrest's the proper way is to have a joint agreement between the seller and buyer of a third bias party designated to hold the refunded money in ESCROW until said motor is recieved by the seller. As Raceman previously posted he's willing to do so. :cheers: Now let's have a couple of Barley pop's:D

[Fish]

Why not meet him half way and do it in person? Saves shipping, saves misunderstandings, saves escrow fees. NC and Ga are not that far apart and given the high road you have taken on this and not revealed his name, I would think it is the least the guy could do and would be in both parties best interest.

However you do it, I am glad this is taking a turn for the better, I hope it works out.
fish

[Raceman]

............. saves escrow fees.

I could've charge an escrow fee??????????????? Why didn't I think of that?:D What's the goin' rate............ I'm thinkin' about 35 or 40%.:D :D That's about what lawyers get for contingency fees when they settle ain't it?:D :D :D

[Fish]

I could've charge an escrow fee??????????????? Why didn't I think of that?:D What's the goin' rate............ I'm thinkin' about 35 or 40%.:D :D That's about what lawyers get for contingency fees when they settle ain't it?:D :D :D

only contingencies I know about have to do with designing a blitz package and alternative coverage schemes to stop a spread offense.:D

[150aintenuff]

why not have seller send norris the $$$$$ u send norris the motor, and norris sends you the cash and the seller the PH that way he sees both pieces as the third parti and do delivery confirmation shipping and so norris isnt out anything you and the seller split the final shipping leg

[Specialized P4-12]

id say if the guys worried about getting the motor back at this point.. considering waterwings would rather use it as a moring than strap it to the back of a boat,and the fact that he sold him a pile of junk.. he is pretty much a lost cause..i would be more worried about saving face than worrying about the motor..whats he going to do with it sell it to someone else!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Raceman]

only contingencies I know about have to do with designing a blitz package and alternative coverage schemes to stop a spread offense.:D

Sounds like exactly what we're tryin' to do here......... stop the spread of offensiveness.;)

[daytrader]

John, be careful of cashiers checks, they can stop payment on them! Just when your motor is on its way shipped the guy could stop payment. I know postal money orders are guaranteed but I dont know if they have that high of a denomination. Good luck, Gary

[Mark75H]

Any denomination you want on a money order :) just like a check

[j_martin]

I have a Postal Money Order in my hand. On the back, in light grey lettering, is the phrase "maximum value one thousand dollars"

You can use a pile of them, though.

hope it helps
John

[WATERWINGS]

He said he would send TWO of the money orders, (just like I sent him, from Walmart)


Two, because, $1000 is all you can put on one M/O.

Now we just have to agree on a "trustworthy" way to get it done so we both feel good about the outcome.

I know that I trust ME to send the motor, back, but not sure he would allow me to keep the motor till I get $ back in my bank acct.

[j_martin]

So far you've been syrupy sweet about dragging his name through the mud. He should trust you, if for nothing else than to preserve that sweetness.

John

[Jay Smith]

John,
I would NOT run that engine again to prevent any greater and more extensive damages that could get real expensive. Right now its a rebuild if you run it farther it could be a "train wreck" and a total loss...

My .02 .

[joed]

John that 300 promax that popped up 2day needs to find its way to Washington
$8000 obo pay the man and get way into the trips

[Mark75H]

Postmaster at least used to be able to dig out higher denom money orders. I did some work for a post office one day ... handed the postmaster the bill and he spun around in his chair to the safe and pulled out a money order that he wrote up for a little over 5 grand ... I drove straight to the bank;)

John is right if one isn't enough ... there's always room for another right beside it ... they don't take up that much room :cool:

[WATERWINGS]

Well, just to keep ya'll informed, the seller never followed through with the refund, and so far, I am still stuck with the motor.

I guess its full bore legal now.

I didn't really want to go this route, but there appears to be no choice now.:bs: :nonod: :(

[kingsbiship]

I hate rip-offs... you have my sympathy!

[Newboatowner]

I feel for ya! I've been taken twice. Payed for 2 "great running" motors and one was flat blown up and busted the other with low copression. #5 worn down. Did'nt by them here though. Good luck to ya

[gregr1971]

update??

[WATERWINGS]

I still have a powerhead on by bench that needs a total rebuild, and he is not responding back to the North Carolina Dept of Justice letters, and I don't know if the FBI Fraud Dept has been in contact with him or not.

I could still do small claims court, but I want to use all the "free" options that I have first.

If all else fails, I will let the world know his name, and his companies name, his address, phone number, his business address and name etc.

It won't get me a refund, but it will make me feel better.

Losers like that need to be exposed, but why haven't I yet?

Not sure.

[h2oskiier30]

If all else fails, I will let the world know his name, and his companies name, his address, phone number, his business address and name etc.

Losers like that need to be exposed, but why haven't I yet?

Not sure.

No point in holding back now. You've been more than professional up to this point, and he's done nothing but crap all over you. Go ahead and let it out, to prevent the same thing from happening to someone else here.

[jphii]

No point in holding back now. You've been more than professional up to this point, and he's done nothing but crap all over you. Go ahead and let it out, to prevent the same thing from happening to someone else here.

:iagree: Post the info.

[kingsbiship]

Don't do HIM any favors... he's not doing YOU any!