The NEW 250HO E-Tec destroys the competition in Australia

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Click on the link.

http://www.sportsfish.com.au/pages/library/product-reviews/evinrude/winners_circle.html (http://www.sportsfish.com.au/p....html)

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[jphii]

No worky:( :(

[jphii]

TRY THIS LINK (http://www.sportsfish.com.au/pages/library/product-reviews/evinrude/winners_circle.html)

[theoldwizard]

<big>Do my eyes decieve me or is that cowling too narrow to house a 90 degree block ?????</big>

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

<BIG>Do my eyes decieve me or is that cowling too narrow to house a 90 degree block ?????</BIG>

Definately 90 degree 3.4 litre. Small arnt they!!
85mph with 2 skiers. Straight out of the box. NO NEED TO RUN EM IN. 112km on 70 litres of fuel. Beat lots of 250XS's by 3.5 minutes.

Started way behind the pack. 75th boat to be flagged off.

Whoa!!!!!!!!!

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[AwesomeBullet]

Same cowl as the 200HO and 225HO....;)

[hp1050]

Did this boat really win on speed or by the fact that 5 boats were disqualified for cutting the course a win is a win but trully a win???? Also noted that the boat is running in MOC so beating a 250XS which runs in SMOC does not matter (this class was won by a 250XS!) if you are running in MOC then obviously the engine package is not stock.

[baja200merk]

good news!

[jphii]

Did this boat really win on speed or by the fact that 5 boats were disqualified for cutting the course a win is a win but trully a win???? Also noted that the boat is running in MOC so beating a 250XS which runs in SMOC does not matter (this class was won by a 250XS!) if you are running in MOC then obviously the engine package is not stock.

You obviously did not read the article.

[woodduck]

I just looked up the results on the New South Wales Skiracing site and they were disqualified on the Sunday, So what's true? There seemed to be a lot of boats disqualified? Whats the story Liquid Nirvana? When I was up at the Hawksberry 120 a month back I think this boat struggled to pull it's skiers out.

[Stinky]

I just looked up the results on the New South Wales Skiracing site and they were disqualified on the Sunday, So what's true? There seemed to be a lot of boats disqualified? Whats the story Liquid Nirvana? When I was up at the Hawksberry 120 a month back I think this boat struggled to pull it's skiers out.

Place Time Boat Name Driver Observer Skier 1 Skier 2
1st 51.17.54 Kaned-It Tony Rowe Ian Kirk Nick Groves Brad Altham
2nd 52.22.34 Still Crazy Jason Dick Cam Clydesdale Ash Hogben Maddison Boyer
3rd 53.53.53 On the Move Paul Armstrong David Armstrong ShaneClarke Simon Shields
4th 56.10.58 Top Toy Ian Daldy Leigh Davies Jason Mckenzie Ben Couglan
5th 62.12.90 Super Sonic David Proglio Greg Miller Matt Loxton A Scarr
DISQ Test Lab Jeff Stubbs Bruce Stubbs Darren Riley Luke Keys
DISQ No Rules Michael Burke Greg McMaster Michael Merchant Leigh Davies
DNF Get Buzzed Lee Jellick Andrew Rudd Brock Salter Mitchell Williams
DNF Stalker Brad Groves Karen Wooding Andrew Morgan Chris Singleton
DNS Delinquent Joshua Pow Leanne Pilotto Grant Wastle Matthew Wastle

popcorn poppen:cool:

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

OK Guys
I know you are waiting for this so here goes.

It seems that the race was run & 38 boats were disqualified for going the wrong way around a centre buoy. Trouble is nobody told the drivers or anybody else that there were disqualifications. At the end of the day (I think) Trophys were presented to those who won & everyone went home. Probably (I think) more than a week went by & the results were posted on the net as you see above (Thanks Stinky) & 38 boat drivers, together with their their skiiers & crew realize that some of them have got a trophy that they should not have. What a joke. Now I gotta say I do not have all the finite detail as it seems to be hard to come by. I, like you would like to get to the bottom of this so we can get everything tidy & sleep soundly. Even when BRP (Australia) was contacted this morning they had no idea of these strange goings on. They were still of the understanding that the 250HO was the proud recipiant of a 1st place, fair & square. One thing is evident is that the new 250HO is going to be a major force to reckon with.
See above.

If anybody has more information please IM me or post on this forum.

Thanks. Ken

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[woodduck]

Hi Ken, what is these guys connection with BRP Australia? Will they be running at the Beehag this weekend?

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Not sure. check out their website. www.labsport.com.au (http://www.labsport.com.au) Seems to be an affiliation. I will IM you

[woodduck]

Interesting. Like the look of the prop on the old donk. Looks just like what I've ordered for our 250XS/Cyclone combo! Hehe, or the stv.

[woodduck]

What are the lowerunit ratios and rev limits for the 225HO and the 250HO? Are they the same style lightning type case?

[Splashabout]

the 250Ho has a lightning style gearcase with a 1.71:1 ratio and the 225Ho has a 1.86:1

[hp1050]

So on a 1.71 gear ratio @ 5800rpm @ 85mph 2 up you are running a 28" prop @ 5% slip or a 30" prop @ 8% slip??

[Splashabout]

depends on the boat and setup i guess you could be right

[stan merck]

Is the 250 HO the 300 powerhead, like how they did the 225 HO with the 250 powerhead?

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Both powerheads are the new 3.4litre. Will not know all details till they are released by BRP. My assumption is that the 300hp has a power curve & gear ratios & new gearcase to suite big heavy boats wheras the 250HO is designed primarily for smaller high performance boats & a 1.71 gear ratio with a redesigned high performance gearcase. There are many other differences compared with previous models as well. Inductive Ignition is just one change. We will know all very soon.

[woodduck]

Is the 250HO released here in Australia yet and if so how many are available or in stock. How much are they? How many are out there?

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Not officially released all over the world as yet. Some motors have been released to various places throughout the world for evaluation. (eg Stratos Boats & Manatou (sic) pontoon boats in the USA. Worth the wait though.

[woodduck]

Hehe, then it's not a legal motor in the smoc skirace class. It's gonna be interesting up at the bridge to bridge then.

[Splashabout]

If im correct to say, BRP are probably going to release it this week over there. They have their official "CLUB BRP" this week.

[Splashabout]

If im correct to say, BRP are probably going to release it this week over there. They have their official "CLUB BRP" this week.

[hp1050]

I believe that the boat ran at the Mary K on the weekend just passed, the quickest boat there on the day was a 21' millenium with a stock 250XB Pro 1999 model!!!! they won the juniors and broke the record, should have won the men's one up but had a fall on the line and was leading in the 2 up before breaking a rope.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

And yet again the E-Tec 250HO is triumphant in OZ. Dead stock it does
90mph GPS with 2 skiiers & crushes 300hp Mercs & Twin Rigs on the Coffs Harbour, New South Wales course.

CLICK ON THE PICTURE BELOW TO INCREASE THE SIZE.

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[LIQUID NIRVANA]

The Boat: LabSport 5.6 metre Powerboat with an out of the box Evinrude 250HO. No need to run these beauties in. Just bolt in on your boat, turn the key & GO.

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[baja200merk]

sweet :D

[BarryStrawn]

They must be cheating. If they aren't cheating, it must be time for a rules change.:)

[Instigator]

And yet again the E-Tec 250HO is triumphant in OZ. Dead stock it does
90mph GPS with 2 skiiers & crushes 300hp Mercs & Twin Rigs on the Coffs Harbour, New South Wales course.

impressive!

30 second lead over the second boat and ran in the Unlimited class against 300's :eek:

I want one! Check that.

I want 3 ;)

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Liquid, the media stated 5.6m but the hull is actually the 5.7m ventilator hull hence the rego VENT-N. The first 2 race meets this boat ran a 225H.O then they changed to the 250H.O for the Grafton meet. Bruce told me they were running a 30''pitch prop they brought in from the states and they are confident it will see better figures as they play with setups and props.

Yes, that was what was indicated in the press release that there is still more to extract from this boat/motor rig. I think the Bridge to Bridge ski race next month is going to be something very special with this new motor. It WILL shock a lot of people. These motors are awesome.

[E-tec1]

we are all gearheads, hipo freaks and just love the sport,yeah merc has had more to offer, but there windin it down a little, Brp took a company that the executives bled dry, and left it to die, they had their money, they didnt care anymore.BRP brought it back, honored some of the problems they inheritied, and basicaly kept 2 stroke outboards alive. they should get a praise just for that. they make a good product and have it refined, now they can pay some attention to performance, if they chose to.there is nothing better than a company in the early stages of interest in this, good things can come of it.sometimes u just have to prove there is a possibility and a market for it. they did their homework and have something to offer. considering the resourses and all the other things they had to address, these motors are here earlier than expected.So it may not be a merc, but it is a step to the future, something i think people get carried away and forget about. so all i can say is Kudos to BRP, lets keep bringin it on.Just think what merc would do if they didnt have any competition, we'd all be talkin about the old days.they car companies beat the emission game and have some hot stuff out there, look how long that took.Give the boys some credit, they deserve it

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Nicely said MTS1.

We ALL have much to thank BRP for & thanks to Merc as well for both of you keep our testosterone flowing & our performance addiction satisfied. There is no real fun in having the incredible performance machines we crave unless we can SHARE the experiences with others. We all have positives to offer. Lets just keep the negatives to ourself & enjoy each others experiences.

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[woodduck]

Hey liquid, you know i love my omc's but i will be looking forward to the bridge. Did'nt the boat that came second lose their skiers?

[Instigator]

Bruce told me they were running a 30''pitch prop

pulling a skier :eek:

Yikes!

[E-tec1]

32 as a cruise prop, it still turns up around 7500, dont keep it there long, got to much to do the nex day, boat behaves differently over 100, dont have alot of time there,they have tons of torque, it works well

[woodduck]

Gary, the torque on the 250xs is the same thereabouts. Most run stock 1.75 gears and a 30 prop and pull two skiers out effortlessly. This bridge to bridge race is a true benchmark, it is the first race for the season where everyone from around the country will be racing, rather than doing your local stuff. It is a 10 hour drive for us to get there but cannot wait.

Would of liked to have en etec250 but obviously you cannot get one, nor a 250xs. There was no second hand ones available, nor new in stock here so we brought one from there and flew it across.

This etec will be interesting but I'm not getting my nickers damp til the first 6 places are filled by etecs at any race!

[hp1050]

Bring it, I am looking forward to some good head to head with racers powered by ETEC it will be good for the sport of ski racing as long as we are all playing by the same rules in SMOC it will be fine. The numbers quoted seem a little suss for a stock engine as the 250XS is a strong engine and to be beaten by the margins quoted is that a 300HO ECU on that 250??? and another point if the engine turns to 7500rpm with a 30" prop then @ 10% slip = 106mph something does not add up!! with a 32" social blade @ 10% slip = 110mph. The bridge will tell the truth but Bomb will ned to work with the SRA if they expect to run this engine in SMOC at this event.

[302w]

Bring it, I am looking forward to some good head to head with racers powered by ETEC it will be good for the sport of ski racing as long as we are all playing by the same rules in SMOC it will be fine. The numbers quoted seem a little suss for a stock engine as the 250XS is a strong engine and to be beaten by the margins quoted is that a 300HO ECU on that 250??? and another point if the engine turns to 7500rpm with a 30" prop then @ 10% slip = 106mph something does not add up!! with a 32" social blade @ 10% slip = 110mph. The bridge will tell the truth but Bomb will ned to work with the SRA if they expect to run this engine in SMOC at this event.

There is no "300 HO" etech.

[hp1050]

Alright 300 ETEC

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Bring it, I am looking forward to some good head to head with racers powered by ETEC it will be good for the sport of ski racing as long as we are all playing by the same rules in SMOC it will be fine. The numbers quoted seem a little suss for a stock engine as the 250XS is a strong engine and to be beaten by the margins quoted is that a 300HO ECU on that 250??? and another point if the engine turns to 7500rpm with a 30" prop then @ 10% slip = 106mph something does not add up!! with a 32" social blade @ 10% slip = 110mph. The bridge will tell the truth but Bomb will ned to work with the SRA if they expect to run this engine in SMOC at this event.

The E-Tec 250 HO is about 275hp. No tricks here & no modified EEM's. They are off the production line straight out of the box. No special mods or hand finished powerheads. Top RPM is 6000k, usually 5800k. Their major advantage other than their top speed is TORQUE.
The 300hp is a torque monster for BIG heavy boats. I wonder how many 250XS are being serviced right now.

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[hp1050]

Torque is a by product of all two stroke engines it has just gotten better with introduction of DI technology, as for the "I wonder how many 250XS are being serviced right now" statement Not sure what you are implying but at least the 250XS is humologated to run in SMOC as per the SRA rules unlike to 250HO ETEC!!. The bull**** will stop at the Syd bridge if the ETEC is legal, like I said "bring it" competition is a good thing.

[DSP1]

HP1050 - why do you think there will be issues racing the 250HO in SMOC. It's advertised as a 250 just like the 250xs - capacity is not an issue. I can't see any problems.

[302w]

Torque is a by product of all two stroke engines it has just gotten better with introduction of DI technology, as for the "I wonder how many 250XS are being serviced right now" statement Not sure what you are implying but at least the 250XS is humologated to run in SMOC as per the SRA rules unlike to 250HO ETEC!!. The bull**** will stop at the Syd bridge if the ETEC is legal, like I said "bring it" competition is a good thing.

someone is worried............

[hp1050]

It is a 250? but just like the 250XS stock had to be available through all dealers and I believe that Mercury had to supply cal/ID numbers for the ECU and also all of the port configurations for this engine as well as support it with a means to checking the cal/ID numbers if so required by the SRA. SRA were quite strict with all of these paramaters prior to allowing this engine into the class, I also believe that if required they will dyno the engines to ensure that they comply to icoma 28 which states that an engine can only achieve + or - 10% max HP as advertised.

[woodduck]

I agree with you HP1050 to a certain extent, well a lot. Seems to me they made a blunder letting the 250XS into SMOC but as long as thet follow the same rules with the ETEC, well so be it but what annoys me is that you cannot get one and yet it is allowed in?

Following the logic that they used in allowing the 250XS to race in SMOC I can see the 2.5 litre class wrecked when we see more 2.5XS's racing!

I love both, OMC and MERC but it annoys me that you can have one supported team running a motor that no-one else can get in a few choice races and people get their knickers all wet. Wait for the bridge, then we will know or more realistically when you have 6 or so almost identical boats with etecs racing the opti's.

HP1050, hehe, correct me if I am wrong but is it HP1200 now?

[hp1050]

Wooduck, The 2.5XS is not homologated to run in 2.5L class and there are none in Aust I suspect you are talking about the 200XS of which engines will be available sometime early in the new year. The 2.5XS was 225 HP and the 200XS is 200HP. Yeah it is HP1200 but who knows??

[DSP1]

Woodduck - I think you will find there is more than 1 running at the B2B (not 100% certain). I believe there is a handful of 250HO's close, however all have been spoken for.

Anyway - didn't you mention you couldn't by a 250xs anyway, sounds like both are out of stock. Don't forget in the 1st year of the 250xs there was only 1 running on a competitive SMOC boat.

I'm sure BRP will be more than happy to hand over the specs on the engine.

Never heard of engines being dyno'd to ensure they comply with the 10% rule - can't see how this could be effective.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Woodduck - I think you will find there is more than 1 running at the B2B (not 100% certain). I believe there is a handful of 250HO's close, however all have been spoken for.

Anyway - didn't you mention you couldn't by a 250xs anyway, sounds like both are out of stock. Don't forget in the 1st year of the 250xs there was only 1 running on a competitive SMOC boat.

I'm sure BRP will be more than happy to hand over the specs on the engine.

Never heard of engines being dyno'd to ensure they comply with the 10% rule - can't see how this could be effective.

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[LIQUID NIRVANA]

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[racer]

Engines are released here in the states and are going down the assembly line, most if not all are already spoken for. The emm will have a fuel map number and show max obtained rpm that should allow whats needed for inspection.

[woodduck]

Hi Darren, had to buy a second hand 250xs due to none being available.

[xtreme53]

Hi how does this motor compare to the Merc 300xs?

I hear the factory are offering an upgrade to 295hp!!

With more cc the the merc will be produce better speeds?

Are you guys in Aus having any problems with the 300xs???

Hearing lots of mixed reviews about the Merc over here in the UK.

Also is the Evinrude 250HO an approved engine for the F2 worlds? (ski racing)

[theoldwizard]

I hear the factory are offering an upgrade to 295hp!!

There is definitely a 300HP version of this engine, which is still not shipping. Not "high output", so it does not have the high speed lower unit.

Computer obviously has a different map. I don't know if there are any other differences.

[hp1050]

To my knowledge this engine does not qualify for F2 at this stage, if the engine is on a factory upgrade to 295HP maybe this is the 250HO with the 300 cal? if still badged as a 250HO then this is a direct contradiction to ICOMA 28 which is the standard that all engines are built to. At this stage the 300XS has been OK I think there have been a few minor hiccups but they have been straightened out by Mercury. They all performed well at the world titles in NZ, the thing to remember about the 300XS is that it is not like the 300X which was right on the edge of the build standard with reports that the engine made 325/330HP out of the box!! some say that with the excellent fuel economy of the 300XS this works out as they need less fuel.

[DSP1]

My understanding is for F2 the motors have to be 100 % out of the box - very limited modifications allowed.

However SMOC is a different story.

A few years ago a rule change was made to SMOC that effectively allowed ECU's to be modified (they cannot be replaced with an ECU from a different engine). The reasoning was that on a carb engine with mechanical timing advance it was allowable to change the factory timing as well as carb jets etc - by allowing the standard ECU to be modified this was supposed to level the playing field. What it effectively did was gave the Merc 3.0 EFI (which at the time was the engine to have) a greater advantage over the OMC's and Yammi's.

Roll forward a few years to tdy and maybe that rule will now benefit BRP's - who knows ?????

From what I hear there may 3 x 250HO's running at the B2B this weekend.

[hp1050]

So Darren what you are saying is that the 250HO could be fitted with the 300ETEC Ecu?? could Merc not do the same and fit the 300XS cal to a 250XS Ecu??

[DSP1]

No - what I am saying is there is scope in the rules to modify the factory ECU for that engine - ie: you can't change ECU's with those from another model. This applies to any engine in SMOC.

So if someone is clever enough to be able to gain access to the ECU's and has either a proven cal or is willing to experiment - then there may be an advantage there.

I don't know how the 300xs cal would work in a 250xs given the hardware differs (ie: 300 is 3.2lt vs 3.0lt for 250)

For the record my personal feeling is SMOC should be "outta the box" with maybe the exception of nosecones/tourque tamers.

However, being a 'tinkerer' if I was racing SMOC I would be making the most out of the rules in place.

[hp1050]

I have a different understanding of the rules as such the Mercury ECU change allowed a 6400rpm rev limiter that was available on the 98/99 225EFI along with the four shutter front this was the only change and it was done with factory parts no mdified ECU's.

I do agree with the fact that SMOC should be out of the box and believe that this is the way it is with the 250XS Merc that is why I am such a fan of this combination and honestly I think the coming of the 250HO is great for the sport and competition just like ford and holden in the V8's as long as we are all playing by the rules because if one manufacturer starts to hedge the rules the other is not going to sit back and watch this happen.

The B2B will be interesting with both the 250HO and the XS running there is also a new Lab ventilator with a 250XS fitted running so we should see a true head to head, I wish they were starting side by side!!

[DSP1]

The 4 shutter front is only allowed on engines that came with this front. Previously the only engines that could run this in SMOC with the 4 shutter front were post approx 2000 225's. However now that you can run any standard 250 - this will allow the earlier model 250 EFI's that had the 4 shutter front as standard. According to the rules, you are not allowed to update an older 225 to a 250 by using the 4 shutter front.

Similar for ECU's, if you have a late model 225 EFI with a low rpm limit (6100 I think) - you can have the ECU modified to raise or remove the limiter - however (again according to the rules) you cannot fit an early model (say 1998) ECU to a late model (say 2000) engine.

If the above was allowed it would allow engines to be pieced together using selected parts from different years - this is not the idea of SMOC and nor should it be in my opinion.

Which yellow lab are you talking of - if it is the one I'm thinking of it definitely won't be there.

Everone is definitely playing to the same set of rules - they are published at www.skiracing.com.au. If somone makes a change and this is allowable I wouldn't consider it hedging - it's just they're trying harder than the next person.

[hp1050]

So if I get a 300XS cal put into my original 250XS ecu you would say that this is allowed? and I am just trying harder. I don't think i mentioned the Lab being yellow I am not sure of the colour I just know that its from Victoria and it will definetly be running.

[DSP1]

Sorry, don't know where I got yellow from, as this would be Entice U which won't be running. There is another "Little Man" which is probably who you are referring to.

The rules clearly state you are allowed to modify ignition and remove RPM limiters - to do this you have to access and modify the ECU. The questions at the moment is who will be game enough to try on a DFI engine and will it work ?

[theoldwizard]

Sorry, don't know where I got yellow from, as this would be Entice U which won't be running. There is another "Little Man" which is probably who you are referring to.

The rules clearly state you are allowed to modify ignition and remove RPM limiters - to do this you have to access and modify the ECU. The questions at the moment is who will be game enough to try on a DFI engine and will it work ?
Man has gone to the moon. Anything is possible, given enough time and money. With the exchange rate the way it is, American talent is getting cheaper everyday !

[hp1050]

The Bomb guys tell me all the time that they have direct access to there emm so changing a cal from 250HO to 300 ETEC would be the press of a button, will it work well its the same engine??

[racer]

Changing maps is easy however the new map will only load to the same hp engine as it reconizes what the engine is.

[150aintenuff]

Changing maps is easy however the new map will only load to the same hp engine as it reconizes what the engine is.

then the real trick is to fool the ECM to think its a different unit then isnt it...

[hp1050]

or just pull the label of the original and put it on the new one!

[theoldwizard]

Changing maps is easy however the new map will only load to the same hp engine as it recognizes what the engine is.
Oh really ?

So how does it do this, read the label on the cowl ?

Too simply. It read the serial number and deciphers it from there !

Trust me, if there is some "coding" external to the ECU that says "this thing can only make XXX hp" that can be overridden also.

Look I was in this business for 30 years. We hacked (oopss "reverse engineered" ... when it that still legal :rolleyes:) some of the competitions ECUs (cars). Wouldn't mind doing it again.

Lets see. I need about $25K just to buy some equipment. I'm slow but I work cheap only $50/hour. Cash in advance. I'll call you in a year, maybe 2.

[racer]

A factory map reads the existing map to tell what the engine is and only allows upgrades for a like engine. The problem with trying to get into one without the correct info is you can only get a new one after returning the old one something to do with epa so the factory will know you are trying to break the code. Not saying it cant be done saying it is more difficult than some might think.

[theoldwizard]

A factory map reads the existing map to tell what the engine is and only allows upgrades for a like engine. The problem with trying to get into one without the correct info is you can only get a new one after returning the old one something to do with epa so the factory will know you are trying to break the code. Not saying it cant be done saying it is more difficult than some might think.
"Anything done can be undone !"

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

2007 Sydney (Australia) Bridge to Bridge Ski Race (112km) I believe the longest ski race in the world.
Preliminary details: EVINRUDE E-Tec 250HO. 1st, 2nd & 3rd. Two of the 250HO arrived 2 days prior to the race. No dialling in time. Running in (Ha Ha, NOT NEEDED). More info to come.
Watch this space!! You will know when I know.

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[hp1050]

Fantastic effort for a 250 with a 300 cal, after this and the SRA my boat is up for sale. No scrutineering and no ability to tech inspect these engines I hope Mercury don't sit on there hands and let this happen I say give me a 300XS cal for my 250XS!!

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

These 250HO's were straight out of the box. NO MODS. Why would you want to put a 300 ECU calibration on a 250HO. You know & I know that the 300hp is calibrated for BIG HEAVY BOATS not lightweight go fast boats. It would seem that your comment is a nonsense.

[theoldwizard]

Fantastic effort for a 250 with a 300 cal
Bold allegations ! Got any proof ?


No scrutineering and no ability to tech inspect these engines I hope Mercury don't sit on there hands and let this happen I say give me a 300XS cal for my 250XS!!All ECU that have the capability of being reprogrammed have some kind of "checksum". A numeric way of checking the the software you think is load is actually loaded.

All the manufacturers need to do is publish the list of valid checksums of valid software that anyone can obtain from a dealer. Then the officials check the checksum after the race and your done.

Don't forget, it is "legal" to be up to 10% over (or under) your rated power ! 250 + 25 = 275 :D

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I have it straight from BRP that the 3 250HO's run in the 2007 Sydney Bridge to Bridge were "TOTALLY STANDARD" thet means NOT MODIFIED in ANY WAY. Straight out of the box. That also means they were NOT MODIFIED from stock before they were put into the box in the 1st place. Hope that is clear enough guys.

[hp1050]

Oh Look there goes a pink pig flying, seriously you must think that we are stupid. Look at the numbers my 250XS makes approx 270HP as i think most do, now a competitor at the bridge was heard to say that on Saturday he put the same amount of fuel into his boat as he had run with his 250XS and he ran out? more fuel more HP if there was one or two and it was close I would say OK but first three and all smoked the record, please do not insult my intelligence!

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Oh Look there goes a pink pig flying, seriously you must think that we are stupid. Look at the numbers my 250XS makes approx 270HP as i think most do, now a competitor at the bridge was heard to say that on Saturday he put the same amount of fuel into his boat as he had run with his 250XS and he ran out? more fuel more HP if there was one or two and it was close I would say OK but first three and all smoked the record, please do not insult my intelligence!

1. Who was the competitor?
2. Who heard him say it?
3. If he ran out of fuel then how did he finish the race?

etc etc etc.

If you wanna win in future get an E-Tec

[hp1050]

The Saturday race in social class not the main race on sunday and I believe he is the latest to recieve a 250HO having just removed a 250XS.

If you wanna win in future get an E-Tec, oh look another flying pig!

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I bet he's happy to have that 250HO on the back instead of the XS. Ask him.

[hp1050]

Maybe he is really happy until they get scrutineered properly?

[DSP1]

HP - Before you start accusing other competitors of cheating, I'd suggest you come up with some evidence. You like anyone else in the class has the opportunity to request a fellow competitors engine be stripped, so if you feel so strongly, you should put up the bond. I know first hand that the Stubbs brothers as well as the other BRP runners have put in a huge amount of investment in time and $$$ to get where they are. I think it's un-fair that their efforts are tarnished without any evidence whatsoever. It's the reason I now race MOC.

I don't know precisely how the etec EMM operates. But if the engine was new maybe it's programmed to use more fuel for the first x hours ? Maybe they just use more fuel under those conditions ?

Evinrudes were also 1st and 2nd in MOC (Modified)

Lab Ventilators were 1 & 2 in MOC and 1st in SMOC
http://www.labsport.com.au/

It appears the 250HO is delivering on it's promises. This is the first time in a long time the pressure has been on the black engines to perform - this should be good for the sport.

[Huey]

Hi, the ONLY three 250HP HO E-TEC in Australia were in the SMOC class on Sunday and they finished 1st, 2nd and 3rd and all were under the record. Two engines only arrived on Thursday and they are stock engines that anyone can walk into an Evinrude dealer and buy.

Merc has a very good engine in the 250XS for the SMOC class, but I think this result and the last two races with "TestLab" prove that the 250HP HO E-TEC is a strong and reliable runner. I have run the 300HP myself and it is also strong but as Liquid points out it is desgined for a totally different market than the 250HO.

Just my 2 cents in this debate and it is good to see some competition for Merc who have had it all to themselves for many years and I am sure this will only make them better.

Huey.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Maybe he is really happy until they get scrutineered properly?

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YEP


Stop Cryin'

[hp1050]

DSP I know that we have the oppurtunity to have an engine stripped but this is my point SRA have no specs to compare it to, so what would be the point. MOC - no problems a good result for Evinrude my beef is in SMOC and it is not brand driven it could be XYZ brand and I would have the same comments

Liquid Nirana - Stop crying give me a break :mad: , you guy's have been bleating for years about Mercury. All I want is SMOC to be far and square out of the box if that is the way it is with the 250HO then good to go but the numbers suggest a little more HP than the ICOMA 28 std of + or - 10% of the advertised HP. We all know that if we try and have the $ we can find ways to trick the systems even on modern day outboards.

[DSP1]

HP - I'd expect the specs for the 250HO have been supplied just like they would have been for the 250XS - this is what they would compare to.

You need to remember that a) everyone is racing to the same rule book and b) SMOC isn't an out of the box class. As stated previously I think it should be with very few exceptions - but it ain't, this may mean that ICOMA 28 doesn't apply ???

And who says all the 250xs out there are out of the box. They are built by HP and have been around a lot longer than the 250HO, if anyone was going to be playing around I think the 250xs guys would be in a better position to achieve this.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Listen HP. If you reread all the posts above you will know that all of the results speak for themselves. These motors ARE stock standard. All legalities have been complied with BUT you are "suggesting" that the results are indicative of a bit of "CHEATING" on behalf of BRP or in fact some of the very people you compete with. It is damnwell not fair. Just wear it. We are NOT your enemy here. WE are NOT looking to use tricked up ECM's systems or take advantage of ignorance or lack of quickly available data.
In another area, Brand new E-Tecs use twice the oil for the first 2 hours of use above 2000RPM. No E-Tec requires running in. Just prop the correctly, hit the switch & run them flat out from the first start if you want too. The engines best rev range is up to 6000RPM. The motor should be propped to run up to 5800 - 6000 at full throttle for best longevity & maximum performance.

[hp1050]

My final and last statement is check with the SRA nothing has been compiled on the 250HO ETEC, this is the issue at hand if they could properly scrutineer these engines then there would be no doubt.

[twig]

For years now the Mercury guys have had smoc to themselves!!

FINALLY someone steps in with abit of healthy competition and the Merc guys start to cry and looking for reasons the opposition should be eliminated.

Bitching about the same rule book that allowed them to run a Mercury racing product!!!!

Live with your purchase (cos you thought you would kick arse with it)and win arguments on the water instead of bitching on forums!!!

That is the spirit of the class!

And by the way, no I don't own a OMC,

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Hey Twig,

Nothings changed. It's been the same in the States for the past 50 years. Healthy opposition comes in, so rules get changed to eliminate the opposition. Just hope Aussie sense of a fair go for all prevails. We will see.

[woodduck]

Hi Liquid. Like your enthusiasm but you do kinda get carried away a little. So do you HP1050. The merc guys had a bad sunday, saturday was ok for them! We had a good run both days except for the bit where you pull your skiers out of the water, oops!
Like DSP1 said on the outboard forum, the rivalry will be good but lets wait for the Eighty, Robinvale and Mildura before we put the 250Xs's on the social boats and trade in the kids for a etec!

Actually, all you brand boys really do S**T me, constantly bitch, bitch and bitch. We all should be sticking together and giving it to the inboards, maybe even raising a fighting fund so Darren can get his 21footer with twin MadEFI 3.4/3.5 blocks 12" mids and #4's together and go and steal a few superclass wins! Or bring back Mr Walker.

[DSP1]

Woodduck - I can guarentee it won't have 12 inch mids and Mk4's !!!

[woodduck]

12" mids and #4's, hehe, it only gets better!

[Roddles]

Well isnt this a lovely discussion?The truth shall set us free.I for one am a MOC boat owner and glad of it after all this hoohar.Fact 1:Smoc used to be "No factory race engines"(fishing engines pretty much) and something that wasnt purchased from a high performance dealer.The rulemakers then eventually allowed 250xs engines to run which are exactly what the rules did not accept in the first place.Obviously we had a change of rules and so the$20 000 plus 250xs was now a "SMOC" engine.Yeah right!How does poor old budget racer with his $10 000 225 have a chance against this high performance engine.Now anyone with a passion for winning must purchase one of these 250xs engines.Thats why I chose MOC because it is "modify and go for it" without spending huge dollars.Having said all that I think that there can only be good healthy racing in SMOC now that BRP have stepped up to the plate.How boring to watch a one make race.I say go MERCURY and go EVENRUDE!

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Well isnt this a lovely discussion?The truth shall set us free.I for one am a MOC boat owner and glad of it after all this hoohar.Fact 1:Smoc used to be "No factory race engines"(fishing engines pretty much) and something that wasnt purchased from a high performance dealer.The rulemakers then eventually allowed 250xs engines to run which are exactly what the rules did not accept in the first place.Obviously we had a change of rules and so the$20 000 plus 250xs was now a "SMOC" engine.Yeah right!How does poor old budget racer with his $10 000 225 have a chance against this high performance engine.Now anyone with a passion for winning must purchase one of these 250xs engines.Thats why I chose MOC because it is "modify and go for it" without spending huge dollars.Having said all that I think that there can only be good healthy racing in SMOC now that BRP have stepped up to the plate.How boring to watch a one make race.I say go MERCURY and go EVENRUDE!

I AGREE COMPLETELY.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

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[LIQUID NIRVANA]

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[theoldwizard]

... SRA have no specs to compare it to ...
If this is a true statement (and that is a might big IF) then shame on the SRA for letting them compete !

[oldschoolltv]

Speeds of up to 130mph???

[Instigator]

Speeds of up to 130mph???


they're refering to the open class boats.

Regardless of motors....BAD ASS rigs and I want to drive one in about foot, foot and a half chop with my foot on the floor!

How bout here on the I.C. from like West Palm to Miami :p ;) :D

[The Big Al]

I'm glad!

Everybody go buy a Evenrude and do it now.

Then the prices will fall on Mercury's! (good thing)
And maybe they will build some good stuff again!

I am happy for them, competition breads competition!

Get in the race or get out.

Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your not~!

Face it! BRP is gonna do what ever it takes!

Be happy they are!

Is Mercury up to the challenge?
I think not, they are still bean counting.

And when BassPro Tracker Boats contract is up, watch what happens!
This will be the straw that breaks Mercury's Outboard division!

And don't think Yamaha is not as player for that contract!

[oldschoolltv]

I was wondering if it was a misprint or in km per hr, that has got to be a thrill on a ski, I ski raced once when I was a kid and 50-60 was wicked on an 8 foot ski, Matt

[racer]

Fuel consumption, The e-tec will start to use extra fuel as it gets close to the rev limiter (about 250rpm before) in order for it to be a soft limit. So if the engines were run close to or on the limiter they would us extra fuel. The engines are also being run a little richer than needed for longevity thus extra fuel usage. As I see this the Merc has a better lower unit when run above the bottom but the brp unit is better when the shaft is below some could be unit related, gear ratio choice or the fact that the e-tec has more torque so it thus slows down less with the two skiers. I raced for many years and it always seems that when someone comes out and goes fast they are cheating, give them credit for doing thier home work.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

NOTE: E-Tec 3 year warranty even in the racing environment.

[hp1050]

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Evinrude engine NOT homologated <o:p></o:p>

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Race results provisional<o:p></o:p>
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Mercury Marine would like to make it clear to everyone associated with ski racing that Evinrude’s 250HO E-TEC outboard has not been homologated by Ski Racing Australia for the SMOC class.<o:p></o:p>
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This has been confirmed by Ski Racing Australia’s Rick Love.<o:p></o:p>
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Mr Lowe also confirmed that Ski Racing Australia, knowing the engine had not been homologated, allowed it to be used in the SMOC class at both the Grafton event in October and the Bridge to Bridge classic on the Hawkesbury in late November.<o:p></o:p>
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On both occasions, boats powered by this engine “won”.<o:p></o:p>
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Mercury Marine is very concerned about this development. Until now all manufacturers clearly understood that any engine type to be used in anything other than the Open Class had to be homologated before it could be raced. Has this level playing field now changed?<o:p></o:p>
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Mr Lowe has told Mercury Marine that Ski Racing Australia does plan to test the Evinrude engine and if it does not comply with SMOC specifications, the two victories will be withdrawn and trophies presented to the first legal finisher in each event.<o:p></o:p>
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However, no communication about either event gave any indication that the SMOC results were provisional and dependant on the outcome of engine testing.<o:p></o:p>
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Furthermore, because the engine had not been homologated Ski Racing Australia officials would not have been able to conduct any worthwhile scrutineering of the individual units raced.<o:p></o:p>
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Even if the engine as a type is approved, no-one will ever know if the individual race engines complied with the regulations.<o:p></o:p>
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As a result of this disappointing development, Mercury Marine – on behalf of all engine manufacturers – is now calling on Ski Racing Australia to make a firm and public commitment to only allow fully homologated engines to race from now on.<o:p></o:p>
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Media enquiries - contact Jonathan Revitt on 08 8267 6888<o:p></o:p>

[twig]

To my understanding this conversation with Rick Love was taken completely out of context!!

Fight your battles on the water Mercury instead of this bullsh#t propaganda!!!:mad:

[theoldwizard]

Evinrude engine NOT homologated <o></o>
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Race results provisional<o></o>

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Shame on SRA for breaking their own rules. BRP should sue SRA for allowing this to happen and tarnish their reputation.

[DSP1]

I think 'whats happening' is tarnishing Mercury's reputation moreso than BRP's.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Regardless of the legalities & such. WE ALL KNOW that the EVINRUDE 250HO is one GREAT MOTOR & the results speak for themselves. To infer that there was some cheating going on by either BRP OR the people who used these motors at the BRIDGE to BRIDGE is damn low in my opinion. You may think it, but to actually say it is something you will have to live with.
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[Roddles]

Sounds like a bit of sour grapes.hp1050 has basicly inferred that firstly:The boat owners/workshops who fitted these ETEC 250 engines were cheating or altering these engines.Two:These engines are illegal for SMOC.My humble opinion stands as this:The engines were out of the crate and straight onto the transom.No modifications were instigated.The engines are 250hp with the usual 10% leeway(just like a 250 xs).Remember when the mercury 250xs arrived on the scene?A blatant advantage against the 225 engines that were circulating.Now BRP have come up with a competetive engine and the same hp rating as the 250 xs and all of a sudden its panic stations for certain people.I say this loud and clear.GET OVER IT.It will be healthy competition for SMOC and I dare say that the race wins will swing in both manufacturers favour.HEALTHY COMPETION!

[E-tec1]

were there actually the legal amount of 250xs motors when they first ran???trust me, they were stock

[NNT]

We're supposed to trust OMC/BRP die hards that these engines were bone stock? I know you guys secretly hide in deep underground lairs secretly working, plotting and salivating at the mere thought of actually beating a Mercury in a race. :D

[Zero]

We're supposed to trust OMC/BRP die hards that these engines were bone stock? I know you guys secretly hide in deep underground lairs secretly working, plotting and salivating at the mere thought of actually beating a Mercury in a race. :D

For an engine to arrive in the country, in it's box, on Thursday and race on Saturday you don't get a lot of time to secretly hide and modify them do you?

[NNT]

For an engine to arrive in the country, in it's box, on Thursday and race on Saturday you don't get a lot of time to secretly hide and modify them do you?

You kiddin? Thats enough time to completely go through the entire outboard top to bottom and blue print, port and polish and tweak EVERYTHING. Nice to see a NEW member get right in a lively thread. :Dhttp://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Zero]

Nice to see a NEW member get right in a lively thread. :Dhttp://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

I felt a need to join, as considering you are on the other side of the world and I doubt would know any of the competitors invovled personally, I don't feel you are in a position to try and tarnish the reputation of those owners / teams involved.

It doesn't matter if you put a smiley face at the end of your post, it sh*ts me that if someone is able to do something different and shows impressive speed, that they are automatically cheating! It hasn't just happened here, it happens all the time!

[NNT]

So if I were to put 250 decals on a yet to be released 300 and compete against other 250's, that would be ok in your eyes? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

NNT. You are such a dip stick. You know & I know that the 300 is built for big heavy cruisers with different low gear ratios & is a torque monster. Not an 250XS killer like the production Evinrude E-Tec 250HO. You need a nice cup of tea & a good lie down mate.



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[NNT]

I think what we witnessed at this race was the cream of the crop of BRP's secret racing division. 300HO powerhead, lighter midsection and their best gearcase. As long as they put this motor against stock 250's they will continue to get a win here and there. :D

[Down Under]

Do i see a green eyed monster lurking in the shallows (or the wash of a brp) here?

Why is it that all the merc dudes a screaming fowl play here when they have been secretly tweaking SMOC engines for the past decade? and happy to bask in glory - bit like the scoolyard bully!

I own one of the formerly competitive Black 225's and when searching for some "tuning advice" to gain some rpm, was offered to convert "certain" ports to 300PM specs, when i questioned the legality of this i was told with a muffled chuckle "well i have done half a dozen or so engines like this".

AND - would reducing the size of a compressor pulley on a DFI to make it spin faster to provide more air pressure/volume be an illegal mod?, maybe not when looking through green eyes?.....

Lets face it, there are some clever engineers out there that can "trick" and "hide" all sorts of secrets that will never be uncovered in a dusty car park at the conclusion of a race meet.

Its bloody great to see OMC/BRP back in the ring! - as stated, i own a Merc, but take my hat off to to these guys for their perseverance and creation of a sh*t hot donk!.

Nothin more borin that a SMOC field full of mercs.

Bring on the twisty River Races and let's see em go head to head!

[DSP1]

HOT OFF THE PRESS FROM SRA

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Hello all,

I just want to clear up some issues in relation to the press release that has been issued by Mercury.

Late last week I had a phone call from Mr Ken Evans (Mercury). We had quite a detailed conversation regarding Evinrude motors and in particular the new Evinrude motor being used in SMOC.

SRA were to have a meeting in early November where the details of this engine were to be discussed and also the fact that Evinrude wanted to be able to seal their engines direct from the factory the same as Mercury do. Unfortunately as all Board members were not able to attend the meeting, it was cancelled and these issues were not covered.

We therefore advised Evinrude that they could seal the engines allowing our members to compete in the upcoming races. However we advised Evinrude that all documentation needed to be forwarded to SRA head office including their application to become approved sealers. We also advised Evinrude that if there was a problem with the specifications of the new engine as per SRA rules, the engine could be considered illegal and results could be overturned.

This is exactly the same information that I advised to Mr Ken Evans. I also advised Mr Evans, that SRA do not homologise engines, we merely go off the specifications of the manufacturers. SRA is not in a position to homologise engines, we check their spec sheets and rely on the information supplied to us by the manufacturers. No where in our rule book does it state anything in regard to this process. We do not have the personal nor the resources to be able to do this.

I want to make it quite clear to people concerned that I at NO time advised Mr Evans that the results were provisional. As stated I told him that if sealed engines did not comply with our current rule book for that class, then the Chief Judge of that particular event would be notified that there was a breech of the rules and there be a recommendation that any places that that competitor may have received be reviewed and or disqualified. This I might add applies to all engine classes if we find that competitor has been racing with a sealed engine and it is illegal (their results would be stripped)

Mr Evans was quite agitated about the whole situation and was not that willing to listen to me, but rather continuously yell down the phone at me, which can be supported by most of my staff members as this took place in my crowded work place.

Mr Evans was also angry at the fact that he did not believe it was fair that in his opinion the new 250 Evinrude was readily available to anyone, I pointed out to him that there was little difference between this situation and when Mercury released the 300xs prior to the worlds. Ironically he could not see the same comparison.

In his anger he told me he wanted to issue a counter press release to that of Evinrude as to the status of them winning current races. I advised him that was up to him. At no point did he say he was going to quote me and he did not seek my approval once the release was written.

I believe that there is one boat competing that may have raced at Grafton prior to having a seal placed on it. If this is the case then SRA will have the option to pull it down and check it.

I hope this clears the air regarding these issues, it was only ever the intention of myself and SRA to have as many of our members on the water as possible, I find the approach of Mercury to be one of "sour grapes" and I am dissapointed that my name has been slurred by them

I trust this puts people everybody in the correct picture.

regards

rick love

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[wing nut]

i guess that answers a few questions! ^^

[DSP1]

Video of the winning SMOC boat - TEST LAB. It is the first in the video
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5ECeKfUz4

2nd in SMOC - Stalker
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lP1Ge70PV_s

3rd in SMOC - On the Move
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=uPoHo8gxu9Y

1st in MOC - Streamline
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9eeMpGzuppo

2nd in MOC - SpeedLab
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7lpWcTNLylM

And here is the outright winner

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=W3HC0CYLyXo

And this is a pretty good watch also
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CRknEGqEEZU

[twig]

Very well done!!

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I agree Twig, & hats off to you Mr Love for giving us the true picture. I'm sure it now gives many of you an indication of what tactics are employed 'behind the scenes'. The truth is slowly coming out & will be fully exposed in time.

[oldschoolltv]

nice vids any ideas on speed? we have to give some credit to the skiiers we keep forgetting about them hanging on back there at I would guess upper 90's, Matt

[E-tec1]

it was secretly modified by unknown specialist,stock production fishing motor against a factory built hipo motor, will the secret modifier please prestent themselves.

[DSP1]

Oldshcool - The unlimited boats are pretty much limited by skiers these days - but all of the top guys would be in the 120mph + range on good water.

The modified outboards are doing high 80's to low 90's

The SMOC boats are doing low to mid 80's

This is all with 2 skiers. Keep in mind the course starts in open water and travels about 65 miles up a river. The unlimited teams do this in under 40 mins

[twig]

I reckon after the SRA press release even the Merc boys are embarrassed and gone quiet??

[hp1050]

The whole point of this is that the SRA have let an engine run in a class without approval, if Holden ran an bigger engine in V8 supercars with out being approved then would Ford question TEGA you bet. The point is that the SRA had not approved this engine and had no specs sealed or not and they have been caught out so you bet that they are ducking and weaving.

[NNT]

The whole point of this is that the SRA have let an engine run in a class without approval, if Holden ran an bigger engine in V8 supercars with out being approved then would Ford question TEGA you bet. The point is that the SRA had not approved this engine and had no specs sealed or not and they have been caught out so you bet that they are ducking and weaving.


Finally someone with some common sense. http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[DSP1]

HP - I suggest you have a read of the rule book on the SRA website. The whole point is there is nothing that states an engine needs to be approved in anyway by SRA. The engine does have to be sealed and my understanding is all the BRP's have been sealed.

So if it's a 250 and it's sealed you can run it in SMOC - simple !!!

[Down Under]

Sealed or unsealed - IMO this is a minor technicality that some are choosing to detract from the real fact that:

Winners are grinners............

Just think of the potential once the brp guys get some development hours under theib belts.

I can only predict more bad news for MERC

[neveredge]

When Merc is allowed to run it's all ok but let someone else play by the same rules and all heck breaks loose.

Seems to me if the motors are all 250s then there should be no complaining. I don't care how many motors are actually in customers hands. A 250 is a 250.

Now if there is actual cheating involved (motor mods) then I would be upset, but I am guessing that absolutly no cheating was involved and Merc just can't stand to compete on an even playing field. Shame on you Merc.

[theoldwizard]

...
Its bloody great to see OMC/BRP back in the ring! - as stated, i own a Merc, but take my hat off to to these guys for their perseverance and creation of a sh*t hot donk!.

Nothin more borin that a SMOC field full of mercs.

Bring on the twisty River Races and let's see em go head to head!
This man has said it all !! Competition improves everyone.

All the local circle tracks up here are crowded with small block Chevy. I love to see anything else give them a run for the money.

For us in the other side of the equator, how are these events run ? Strictly against the clock or is it a dock/deep water start with everyone one racing head to head. Do these make the telly down under ? They run some of the V8 Super Car races up here, a week or more delayed. I love Bathusrt !

Now would someone explain what "sh*t hot donk!" means ? Is that like "flatoutlikelizarddrinkin" ? :D

[Down Under]

woop's - apologies fothe aussie slang

"sh*t hot donk" - ah.......... = very nice engine!

[twig]

The BRP guys had a good day and Merc guys had a shocker!!

I think at the end of the season it will have been a great competition.

Look at the results. The Stubbs boys have always won no matter what engine they run.Even a Yamaha.

Brad Groves with Stalker was a sorted pakage with a different power plant,but Brad knows what the thing needs to make it fast.On top of that he will would drive that boat up a water fall if thats whats requied to win!!! There is no one more commited!! To the point were he should probably be commited!!!!!! But he gets results!

Our third place getter works for BRP and tests with the Stubbs's!!

And as for the Moc results, they are irrelivant in is argument anyway.

Move into the Vic races, Little Man and Micky D and the other Merc's get going, things may be different.

This could be the first time in history that there is actual balance in the class.

Now we just need Yamaha to get something up there.

But stop being negative and get into the spirit of competition!! Thats why we race !!! If you don't like it head off to your nearest Bowling green so we don't have to hear about it!!!

[DSP1]

Twig, ahhmm.....PBR make brakes. I think you may mean BRP.....don't mean to be pedantic !!!

[NNT]

Twig, ahhmm.....PBR make brakes. I think you may mean BRP.....don't mean to be pedantic !!!


Ahem PBR makes beer, some of the finest beer in the world. http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[twig]

But I may have been talking about brakes or beer!!

Well now I have have edited it and you two look like your on about nothin!!:)

[NNT]

But I may have been talking about brakes or beer!!

Well now I have have edited it and you two look like your on about nothin!!:)



http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif lmao At least here in the USA our toilets flush the right way :D

[theoldwizard]

woop's - apologies for the aussie slang
Don't apologize ! I love 'em !!

I know I'm in trouble when you blokes say, "No worries, she'll be right mate !"

I know bonnet and boot (hood and trunk), lorry and lift (truck and elevator) and I even know *** and rubber :D

Home many my fellow American's know what the last 2 Aussie slang items are ?

[DSP1]

Wizard

yeah but do you know what a ute is ????

And by the way - we get a real laugh when you blokes over there start talking about "rooting" for something.

[twig]

The septics wouldn't have a clue on that one!!

[theoldwizard]

but do you know what a ute is ????

Sure, do you know what a Ranchero is ?


And by the way - we get a real laugh when you blokes over there start talking about "rooting" for something.Yep, I know all about rooting ! I got 2 children !! A friend was at an Aussie volleyball game when said he was rooting for the girls in red !

Another friend's wife told the hostess of a small dinner party she was stuffed ! How about saying that in front of the children after some good tucker !

And yes, there are some sheilas and quite a few blokes here named Randy !

[woodduck]

I read the name on the bottom of the press release from SRA, he umpires in a lowly grade in the amateurs, or should be.
But anyway, who cares cos it is early in the season and as was said previously it is early days. Lets see how these boats get thru the Sthn 80. I am looking forward to seeing that Lab get round the bends with that OMC up high.
Anyway, you gotta remember what SMOC stands for.

ps Whilst at the bridge I was listening to some mid section modification discussions and it was not a black motor, now if the same mod is done to everymotor, who is gonna know?

I remember Ford doing this for all the ford runners to get wheels under the guard of their GT coupes!

[E-tec1]

without competition, itll get boring,i think this is a good time in history or it to get going again, otherwise the sport of high performance would go by the wayside, dont bitch about someone bein better, make urs better,merc has become lax in this cuz there was no competition, heck, lets get all the manufactureres into this, maybe itll make people smile on their jobs.

[twig]

Look back not long ago and Mercury Racing had a very impressive line up of HP engine's.The 2.5 260's and Offshores through to the Champ engines.The 300PM and 300x was lame and at times extemely unrealiable.It now runs the same speed as there 250XS. The 300XS is only 2mph faster!! And the pricing has gone through the roof.They no longer do a 15" mid. But due to the lack of competition in Moc in Aus they have got away with it and still looked good.But if you look at the times ,they are shameful!! No where near recored times.And usually only under a minute faster than Smoc.

Its true they are not the gritty no holes barred engines they once were.

[gringo]

Great therad , been following it since the begining and boy is it geeting the blood pumping. I raced smoc and moc back in the 80's and early 90's and wished i never stoped , went gunnel to gunnel lap after lap and bend after bend with some of the greats of that time like R. Cowie in the "TACK" , "MERC BULLET", "ONE THE MOVE" and on and on and on. Rudes set up well have always been hot because THEY HAVE MORE CUBES, and in good old 2 up ski racing in AUST this means heaps. But only one crew managed to blitz the field with a YAM and that was you guessed it the STUBBS boys with a YAM with "a lot of metal taken out that looked nothin like a full blown MOC of the day. I was at Mildura the year they got busted for a mid section mod that was not sanctioned and by now i would think the STUBBS boys now just how to get through the hoops and be legal. Not saying they are cheating, just got the toe right on the line in the sand where its all grey not black and white where we can all see what the heck is going on. The STUBBS would have made a choice between black, silver and blue/white on tech spec and CUBES. and then driven the thing right off the limits to get thoes results against some very hungry comp like Brad in STALKER who i recently did some business with and is a nice decent guy, but i believe he changes identity in the race boat with the helmet on and will drive across the bank to get round you if he needs to. God i wish i was still part of this MOC SMOC game. GO YA HARDEST..:) :) :) :)

[Skirace87]

At the end of the day it's great to see BRP introducing a product that will compete with the mercs in smoc, isn't that what competition is all about? I'm in the process of repowering my boat (had a 2.5 merc) and with the latest results and BRP offering a 3 year warrenty (including racing) and no break in time it's going to be real hard to go past the stars & stripes engine.

Darren Spencer is correct, SRA are only required to get compliance documentation from BRP and ensure motors are sealed which I believe was done prior to Sydney B2B. Merc have had it too good for too long and it shows in their customer service, now it's just sour grapes on their behalf. I will watch with interest the sales of 250xs motors in OZ going through the floor over the coming months.

[twig]

Buy the sound of it Gringo you would known my Father-in law Gordan Johnson who had Osprey?? He was racing in that era??

By the way I have had advance warning that Spinal Tap is going to get involved with this thread. I strongly advise all to ignore anything he says.The man has problems!!:p

[NNT]

At the end of the day it's great to see BRP introducing a product that will compete with the mercs in smoc, isn't that what competition is all about? I'm in the process of repowering my boat (had a 2.5 merc) and with the latest results and BRP offering a 3 year warrenty (including racing) and no break in time it's going to be real hard to go past the stars & stripes engine.

Darren Spencer is correct, SRA are only required to get compliance documentation from BRP and ensure motors are sealed which I believe was done prior to Sydney B2B. Merc have had it too good for too long and it shows in their customer service, now it's just sour grapes on their behalf. I will watch with interest the sales of 250xs motors in OZ going through the floor over the coming months.

Not sour grapes at all and I totally agree it's nice to see some variety out there. However I also believe in everyone should adhere to the rules and that also means making sure your motor is "legal" to run in certain races. I'm sure BRP was in a hurry to get these things on the water for some good press and that also makes me think maybe these things are a little warmer than what consumers will get in a few months. Anyone remember the B&WB 250 shootout where BRP turned tail and ran away like a little beatch? I do :D Whens the next race boys? http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[adamn]

well well after having mercury treat our team like lepers when seeking help with 200XS motors (leg out of bed @ 33hours) , it's great to see BRP bring out a product to take it up to Merc. Sour Grapes ..... hope they taste the same as the taste Merc left in our mouths. Go the new kid on the block!!

[NNT]

http://blog.estately.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/164935__new_kids_l.jpg

The Etec cowlings sorta resemble the haircuts on these guys(if you can call them that). :D

[Roddles]

New Kids ON the Block LMAO

[gringo]

Buy the sound of it Gringo you would known my Father-in law Gordan Johnson who had Osprey?? He was racing in that era??

By the way I have had advance warning that Spinal Tap is going to get involved with this thread. I strongly advise all to ignore anything he says.The man has problems!!:p

I seem to recall the day when Gordon Johnston was told that the new OMC V8 was not going to be sold in Australia, i think he needed CPR but somehow Osprey had one on the transom the next season.

Flash back to the Bridge in 91 we went about 20 miles gunnel to gunnel with "HOOKER" a 20' Bullet / V8 johno (like Gordons) , eventually we pulled away with the 2.4 merc screaming in my helmet and my observer ****ting broken glass. Argh they were the days.........

[twig]

What boat did you have??

Greg Toole would have been in the mix then too with Bust-a-move??

[gringo]

MR MOTION, a 17' kevlar connelley with a bridgeport merc or a 2.4 hot rod , which ever was not blown up at the time. Never went any good at echuca but screamed everywhere else. Broke a record for country outboard at the bridge and raced Zone 5 for NSW series. I remember Bust a move that was a quick outfit......

[twig]

I remember it very nice boat!! And a nice peice of driving too!!

[adamn]

Merc Aus have had it their own way for a long time, and someone mentioned customer service earlier...... they forgot to teach that to these guys.That would require the removal of ones head from ....... well u know what i mean. I know that Aus is a small market but the attitude is "how good are we!!" we got burnt with 2 x 2006 200xs motors , talk about find em,f**k em and forget em. though we are currently stuck with these things,great when they are going expensive when they aint. definately going to change brands now, the run chase is on and it looks like BRP are going to back their product up unlike others

[E-tec1]

I guess if one knew the reason they didnt want to return it would be clear, like someone said, merc has always had some sort of manipulating goin on

[Skirace87]

My last motor, a 97 225 promax, missed the factory ecu upgrade due to the dealer going bust. After 3 blow ups I discovered the ecu issue on S&F, wrote to merc asking for some assistance, I would have been happy with an updated ecu at cost. I didn't even get the courtesy of a reply to my letter. Put a brucato ACU on it - no more problems and sold it to a guy who is very happy with it. No more Mercuries for me, I put a deposit on a new 250HO Etec yesterday

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

My last motor, a 97 225 promax, missed the factory ecu upgrade due to the dealer going bust. After 3 blow ups I discovered the ecu issue on S&F, wrote to merc asking for some assistance, I would have been happy with an updated ecu at cost. I didn't even get the courtesy of a reply to my letter. Put a brucato ACU on it - no more problems and sold it to a guy who is very happy with it. No more Mercuries for me, I put a deposit on a new 250HO Etec yesterday

I can tell you that BRP after sales service is truly legendary. They really do go the extra mile to look after their customers. These motors are that good as well. 3 year warranty even if the motor is used for racing. HOW GOOD IS THAT!!

By the way what was the previous SMOC record in the Bridge to Bridge & how much did the 3 E-Tecs beat it by in this years race.

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[Instigator]

Anyone remember the B&WB 250 shootout where BRP turned tail and ran away like a little beatch? I do :D Whens the next race boys? http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
where Merc decided to run the Sporty gear case even though it wasn't availabe on their motor therefor making it illegal for the test?? Same one where they made an emergency decision to make it an option for that motor??
Don't foget that part of the article leading up to the main story.

Remember when they wouldn't let Yammi claim their top speed #'s becuase they were spinning it 500 RPM past published limits?? The reps there said it was no problem and would not effect warranty.
B&W said no.

Interesting how/who it works ;)

Did they run away or did they decide that if your playing with a stacked deck, and against people that make up their own rules, why play??

Or how about the 225HO test (I think) where durring testing the day before the actual story shoot the BRP was faster than the Merc.

All motors were supposed to be locked in a warehoue and un-touched, run as is the next day except.....the Merc which went home to an un-named Bass & Walleye employee's house with 2 Merc techs in tow and came back 3 MPH's faster the next day.

Yeah, they play fair.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

where Merc decided to run the Sporty gear case even though it wasn't availabe on their motor therefor making it illegal for the test?? Same one where they made an emergency decision to make it an option for that motor??
Don't foget that part of the article leading up to the main story.

Remember when they wouldn't let Yammi claim their top speed #'s becuase they were spinning it 500 RPM past published limits?? The reps there said it was no problem and would not effect warranty.
B&W said no.

Interesting how/who it works ;)

Did they run away or did they decide that if your playing with a stacked deck, and against people that make up their own rules, why play??

Or how about the 225HO test (I think) where durring testing the day before the actual story shoot the BRP was faster than the Merc.

All motors were supposed to be locked in a warehoue and un-touched, run as is the next day except.....the Merc which went home to an un-named Bass & Walleye employee's house with 2 Merc techs in tow and came back 3 MPH's faster the next day.

Yeah, they play fair.

I'm with you Gary,

This is why I believe BRP supplied this brochure below

http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/12482/2177341980101354590S425x425Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2177341980101354590kbUHmB)

Click on the picture & go to page 2.

then check out the ARROGANCE of Ken Evans in post 121 of this thread. Unbelievable. Hats off to MR Love for telling him where to get off.

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[Instigator]

I'm with you Gary,

This is why I believe BRP supplied this brochure below

http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/12482/2177341980101354590S425x425Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2177341980101354590kbUHmB)

Click on the picture & go to page 2.

then check out the ARROGANCE of Ken Evans in post 121 of this thread. Unbelievable. Hats off to MR Love for telling him where to get off.

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decade.

Think I told you before Ken that I have a friend that raced Mod VP back in the day and has some very interesting stories about the crap Merc pulled while racing their "stock" engines.

[AwesomeBullet]

Gary, that was the 225 shootout where Merc brought the 225ProXS that orignially was going to have the standard fleetmaster gearcase, with an option for the torquemaster. Merc at the last second made the solid mounts and sporty options/standard on that motor.

The 250 Shootout was the one with the testing done on the back of a big multispecies boat with a 25" transom. BRP had a motor there. When they saw the test conditions and parameters, they declined to participate.

How many have gone back and read the article on the RE-DO of the BRP portion of the 225 Shootout, where they post the numbers from the "new" case that BRP was going to run, before B&WB made them finish the testing with the standard lightning gearcase? Remember, BRP does not have a case that can really hold up at the high transom heights demanded on a Bullet bassboat (the 20' model tested usually has the propshaft at 1.5" above the pad). With the new case, the numbers were much better. Fuel consumption was improved, mid range punch was even better, top end was tied with the Yamaha...

[E-tec1]

that motor was not locked up with the rest,end of story.heres mor to the 200 shoot out too, but we'll let BRP do the rest of the proving

[theoldwizard]

How many have gone back and read the article on the RE-DO of the BRP portion of the 225 Shootout ...
I never saw the RE-DO.

Is it online somewhere ?

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I never saw the RE-DO.

Is it online somewhere ?

Here it is back in June 2005.

http://www.bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=979759

[Zero]

By the way what was the previous SMOC record in the Bridge to Bridge & how much did the 3 E-Tecs beat it by in this years race.


I know no-one likes to let the truth get in the way of a good story, but the old SMOC record was set by Rod in Force Boats in 2003 in a time of 50 mins 40 seconds. This years times for the first 3 places were 49:24, 49:58 and 50:53... (I'll let you do the maths!).

[woodduck]

Has anyone got the SMOC results from the Vic titles at Lake Charm this past weekend? Who won, Mercury or BRP?

[Zero]

Has anyone got the SMOC results from the Vic titles at Lake Charm this past weekend? Who won, Mercury or BRP?

Given there was 1 E-Tec (the only engine other than a Mercury) and 10 Mercury's I don't think it's an overly fair comparison.

FYI - The E-Tec was 3rd.

[spinal tap racing]

Gday Woody
I have a pretty good idea who won this weekend
Bullet 1800 250xs
couldent see the e-tec as I dont have mirrors lol
Go Spinal Tap!!!!!!!!!

[spinal tap racing]

Buy the sound of it Gringo you would known my Father-in law Gordan Johnson who had Osprey?? He was racing in that era??

By the way I have had advance warning that Spinal Tap is going to get involved with this thread. I strongly advise all to ignore anything he says.The man has problems!!:p

Sorry Im late Twig
You idiot!!!!!!
In all seriousness I think its all a croc O sh1t my 250xs and the e-tec have absoulutley nothing between them! So I think its all good competition its just that Evenrudes will never look as cool as Mercs He He He!!!!!

[DSP1]

I'm with Spinal Tap (Dave) I don't think there will be a lot in it at the end of the day. I suspect given the eTec is a 90 degree 3.4lt thumper, it may have a slight advantage - however I think the best team with the best set-up will be who wins in the end.

Congrats again Dave on winning SMOC.

Keep in mind the one and only (lonely as well ) 250HO came second in MOC beating home a host of Merc 250's 300's and a pretty handy 2.5.

Twig - you had that crystal ball out again !!!

[Skirace87]

[quote=DSP1;1249689]I'm with Spinal Tap (Dave) I don't think there will be a lot in it at the end of the day. I suspect given the eTec is a 90 degree 3.4lt thumper, it may have a slight advantage - however I think the best team with the best set-up will be who wins in the end.

Couldn't agree more, at least it's got everyone talking and putting some manufacturer interest back into smoc & to a lesser degree moc.

Might make make merc bring their piss poor warrenty up to or better than the new industry leader, thats got to be good for everyone.

[NNT]

Gday Woody
I have a pretty good idea who won this weekend
Bullet 1800 250xs
couldent see the e-tec as I dont have mirrors lol
Go Spinal Tap!!!!!!!!!


:Dhttp://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[twig]

The great thing about Dave winning races is that he so damn humble!!!!!!

Its just that no one notices!!!!!!!!!

[Skirace87]

One of these boats swapped from a 250xs to a 250HO on the Thursday before the Sydney Bridge to Bridge due to persistant gear box issues with the xs. I'm also betting the owner got a dose of mercury's "customer service" that sealed the deal.

[NNT]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e105/CaptMooseknuckle/Asst%20Whaler%20stuff/etecyoae1.jpg

[woodduck]

Skirace, what were the persistant gearbox troubles? Sporties don't give you much grief, and torquemasters are almost as good but maybe if it was a fleetmaster?????
I've got all of them and are kinda wondering how these new BRP box's are gonna go.
I do like the idea of the three year warranty but you have to think, it is only a bit of paper!
Skirace, what is a 250 HO worth and what is the lead time on em?
Cheers

[twig]

Is it just me or is this how Bisho will look in 20 or so years!!!???

[twig]

Found one from 20 years earlier and it looks about right!!

Someone needs to warn louise!!!!!!!!:D

[Skirace87]

I don't know, only heard this from a third party,

Everyone I,ve talked to or seen with a BRP product including a lot of posts on this site agree that BRP's aftersales service is very good. I even heard of a pro bass fisherman who got a brand new gearbox from BRP after he hit a tree stump, and he is not sponsored by BRP in any way (maybe he is now?). A 250HO is around $26K AU and mine will be here in mid January. The dealer has guarenteed that the full 3yr/300hr warranty applies even when used for ski racing.

[spinal tap racing]

Twig!
Dident I already tell you you are an idiot????

[Zero]

Skirace, what were the persistant gearbox troubles? Sporties don't give you much grief, and torquemasters are almost as good but maybe if it was a fleetmaster?????


2 x Torquemasters

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Skirace, what were the persistant gearbox troubles? Sporties don't give you much grief, and torquemasters are almost as good but maybe if it was a fleetmaster?????
I've got all of them and are kinda wondering how these new BRP box's are gonna go.
I do like the idea of the three year warranty but you have to think, it is only a bit of paper!
Skirace, what is a 250 HO worth and what is the lead time on em?
Cheers

Much more than a bit of paper to BRP. These people have a dedication to their customers & the products that they manufacture that is beyond reproach. They will be "top of the heap" very soon.

[AwesomeBullet]

Service after the sale is what got them to where they are now. Hell, they replaced the gearcase on my 225HO fishin motor just because the paint was starting to discolor. No problems with the case at all, just the bad paint. I also popped a powerhead on mine at 140hrs, had an injector lean out and melt a piston down...Oops. I was back on the water in one week with -0- questions from BRP. Just drop the boat off, and one week later pick her up and go fishin again.

[E-tec1]

Lets just all agree that the e-tcs are really no good, then theres no point to this post

[oldschoolltv]

I will say it again, we ALL need to hope brp gets more into racing and especially f-1 or champ boats, or we might only have big heavy motors for offshore and fishing boats to choose from in the near future, Matt

[Skirace87]

I will say it again, we ALL need to hope brp gets more into racing and especially f-1 or champ boats, or we might only have big heavy motors for offshore and fishing boats to choose from in the near future, Matt

Future purchasers of all brands of outboard will benefit in the future from BRP's warranty & after sales service culture, it will force the rest of the manufacturers to match it or watch their customers go walking out the door. Hopefully BRP will step into F1 etc

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I will say it again, we ALL need to hope brp gets more into racing and especially f-1 or champ boats, or we might only have big heavy motors for offshore and fishing boats to choose from in the near future, Matt

Just a bit of fantasy fun here.......... Now wouldn't it be nice if we see a pair of "Full Race" E-Tec F1 style 12" mid motors strapped to an appropriate hull in next years Bridge to Bridge. These motors would weigh in at around 420lbs each. Should be quite adequate to take out the outright honours. Might scare the crap out of the 2 poor souls hangin' off the back though. As I said, just a bit of fun here.
Would be good to hear what you guys would think would be a "no holds barred" outboard powered ski boat contender.

http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/1245/2320941960091848696S425x425Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2320941960091848696ebCWYA)

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[DSP1]

Liquid - how about something that looks like the engine in your photo x 2. Don't know if you could get the etec cowls close enough together though.

[theoldwizard]

[quote=LIQUID NIRVANA;1252463]...
Would be good to hear what you guys would think would be a "no holds barred" outboard powered ski boat contender...

Do these races make the telly downunder ? I would love to see them up here, especially when there is a foot of that whit stuff on the ground ! :D

[Zero]

Should be quite adequate to take out the outright honours. Might scare the crap out of the 2 poor souls hangin' off the back though. As I said, just a bit of fun here.
Would be good to hear what you guys would think would be a "no holds barred" outboard powered ski boat contender.


Would absolutely love to see another "Showdown" appear again... not sure if it would have the grunt to run with the 1500hp+ big boys at up to 130mph though.

[Zero]

Don't know if you could get the etec cowls close enough together though.

Is Danny from "Tuff N Up" running 2 E-Tec's???

[DSP1]

Can someone please post a photo of Mr Walker if you have one. Ultra light 21ft Connelly (Mono) with 3 x S3000 complete with MkVI SSM's

Baddest outboard ever in Skiracing as far as I'm concerned

[DSP1]

Zero -
Running = yes
Running with etecs, not yet is what my mail is telling me !!!

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

I am certain that it WILL happen. The 250HO is the beginning of what will be some great motors and hot competition in the near future.

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[Zero]

Check out these 2 links...

This is a photo of Mr Walker - http://www.geocities.com/leolizard.geo/walker.jpg

You are right - this is a photo of Tuff N Up from Sydney B2B - http://ultimateimagecapture.com.au/content/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/d5b55a2da3bd181298654320452a9f81.jpg
Nice looking boat nonetheless.

[Huey]

Hi, I saw Tuff N Up at the Bridge and it has 2 x DI HO Evinrude on the back with the E-TEC stars and stripes decals, but still looks very cool and the reason I know this is I have a 225HO DI Evinrude on my boat and I know the shape-which is different from the E-TEC. If you look at the photo closely you will notice that they are DI engines and I know from personal experience that the 225 HO DI are strong engines.

I guess it may be time for him to upgrade to 250HO E-TEC and get some more speed.

Cheers,

Huey.

[twig]

If you go to the S&F galleries and do a search under Aussie Bullet there is a shot as well.

How wide is the transom of that 21 Darren?? Fit three F1's??

Actually the answer is no, Geoff Haw looked into it cos he believed the 21 Bullet was a better handling boat at high speeds. The Connolly was the only thing that would fit three.Except for the supposed 21 superboat that he payed for but never arrived that was supposed to take 4.Now that would have been interesting two pair of props spinning towards each other.The perfect set up.

[Zero]

Getting waaaaay off the E-Tec topic - but who remembers the boat Sharp As that I believe had 2 x 3.0L Mercs layed down on their side inside the boat and ran 6 Litre???

Any pics or info on that?

Is it in a shed somewhere because it didn't work very well???

[Roddles]

I thought "Sharp As" was outlawed because its potential scared the pants off the opposition

[woodduck]

Hey Roddles, I heard the same thing. Good idea, there is a boat running arond belgium with an OMC V8 in the thing. Imagine racing thru those canals!

[woodduck]

Hey Zero, was it the early narrow torquemasters or the later ones?

Liquid, and anyone else, I remember how much my arse hurt after buying just parts for my vindicater startermotor, could not even get a complete starter. That is in Australia my American Friends. we pay thru the arse, or some of us do, if we buy here.

We await the next coup[le of years with bated breath1

Oh, hehe, beers just kicked in!

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

Well I gotta say I would be lookin at E-Bay for older parts 1st, wouldn't matter what brand of motor. I really don't think any manufacturer can boast of cheap parts, whether it be for car, boats or whatever. What do you think? Do you think that the XS parts will be any less than the equivelant OMC/BRP? At least BRP have a great warranty!!

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[Skirace87]

5 years ago a twin S3000 merc powered 21 connelly was hard to beat, now though the top boats are all twin turbo 580CI motors running through merc 6 drives. I think the days of twin rigs and v drive boats being competative for outright wins is gone.Skiracing is on telly in OZ

[bigbore]

250 h.o. would b sweet.what bout 15,000?

[spinal tap racing]

Getting waaaaay off the E-Tec topic - but who remembers the boat Sharp As that I believe had 2 x 3.0L Mercs layed down on their side inside the boat and ran 6 Litre???

Any pics or info on that?

Is it in a shed somewhere because it didn't work very well???

They changed the rules on Ian Kilpatrick with "Sharp as" It had 2.5L power heads inboard. It ran in 5.2L a couple of times but didn’t have any luck! They changed the rule to read one engine and that was the end of that! But he had the last laugh coz then he built "ORSM" an F21 Force with a TT 4.5L Nissan V8 that ran in under 8lt and cleaned up everyone! To the point of the other 8lt boats putting up a petition to stop him from running. Fortunately this did not succeed, "Sharp As" has just hit the water again as a social boat with my old 225 Merc on it. It is called "Strictly Racing"
Woody it was originally owned by Bob page who you bought your Euro off!

[woodduck]

Yeah, I was talking to him at Robinvale (not Bob, he is no longer with us) and had a chuckle cos after whipping all the 8 litre boats he mentioned the capacity and it could still slot into the 6 litre class. ORSM, in my opiniom is one of the best rigged/fitted out skiracers going around, but then it is a new boat. Where has he been this year?
You gotta laugh when you think that apparently Mirror Image is 13 years old and Greg Houstens is even older?

[spinal tap racing]

Ian has sold the farm & is thinking of mooving to NZ but I havent spoken to him for a while! Mirror is way older than 13 it raced as Bloody Mary in the early ninetys "stinga" is 19 yo and beautiful!!!!!!

[woodduck]

Wondre how the new Suzuki will fit into SMOC? That is when it released!

[DSP1]

WD - I hear we're not too far off from seeing a Suzi (250ss) running around in SMOC.

Hopefully Yamaha will follow, imagine having 4 brands of engine in SMOC !!!

I had a look at the spec sheet of the Suzi, it seems to look comparable in the HP and RPM department, weight didn't appear to be massively more - however it has a low ratio - 2:1 or thereabouts. If we are talking comparable speeds at similar RPM it will need BIG props. Don't know much about 4 stokes (1 ain't enough and 4 wastes 2 afterall) but I'm thinking it may struggle down low.

Can't wait to see one out there though

[twig]

I spotted a few 19 year old beauty's at the Vic Titles!!:D

[spinal tap racing]

Im hearin ya Twig!
Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twig]

Yep I agree with S/Tap and DSP1 ban forced induction engines!!!!!

(and I dont mean the 250XS)

I would like to know how the rule was passed to let them back into novice and social racing???? Dave will know more on that one??

Make the cubes unlimited and band forced induction!!!

Lets start a petition!!!!

Dave you can present it to big Col while the rest of us watch through a pair of binoculars!!!!!:p

[DSP1]

Good call Twig.

Dave after you've copped a pull-through from Col - go and knock on Cranny's door.

Think we better mike you up for that one and monitor from afar !!!

[Zero]

They changed the rules on Ian Kilpatrick with "Sharp as" It had 2.5L power heads inboard. It ran in 5.2L a couple of times but didn’t have any luck! They changed the rule to read one engine and that was the end of that! But he had the last laugh coz then he built "ORSM" an F21 Force with a TT 4.5L Nissan V8 that ran in under 8lt and cleaned up everyone! To the point of the other 8lt boats putting up a petition to stop him from running. Fortunately this did not succeed, "Sharp As" has just hit the water again as a social boat with my old 225 Merc on it. It is called "Strictly Racing"

Well I am glad to hear it wasn't shelved because it was a failure... and hats off to Ian for coming back with another boat slightly outside the square with orsm results.

Bisho - Is "Strictly Racing" part of the SBR boys camp? - What sort of hull was Sharp As?

[gringo]

Hey guys this is a great thread with good old aussie content, what the hel has happened to all the wild kick arse outboards that were about 15 to 20 years back, i was at the bridge the year "bullet one" came second outright to a blown bbc everingham "asasian" and was there again to see the first outboard win outright , a 21 connelley with 2x f1 style 2.4 mercs named "moonlight creeper". One year at the Australian titles there would have been a dozen or so twin powered connelleys that could really put it to the unlimited inboards and some real hard arsed operators steerin em. Where are they all now? 21' connelleys with twin mercs have to be the best lookin thing other than Ele Mcpherson gettin about. One year the day after the Mildura 100 ski race we got in a 21 with twin bridgeports and flogged it up and down the river hoon style all afternoon and wow do they have some midrange out of the corners and for blowin away inboards in a river drag, nothin like a 100mph+ 21' vee bottom. Where are they, who owns em and when do they come out to play ???????????????

[spinal tap racing]

Well I am glad to hear it wasn't shelved because it was a failure... and hats off to Ian for coming back with another boat slightly outside the square with orsm results.

Bisho - Is "Strictly Racing" part of the SBR boys camp? - What sort of hull was Sharp As?

It was Zero! But they never completed the project so it got sold off to Jason Dybal. It was a 1900 Connelly originally an outboard then converted to stern drive and now back to an outboard!

[spinal tap racing]

Gringo
Unfortunately the turbos got too fast & too reliable and the outboards were running so hard (in excess of 9000rpm with mk6 gear boxes) that they became unreliable. In the end it was more expensive to run a twin rig than a twin turbo! It makes you want to cry really.

[spinal tap racing]

Good call Twig.

Dave after you've copped a pull-through from Col - go and knock on Cranny's door.

Think we better mike you up for that one and monitor from afar !!!
Twig & Daz

Getting me killed was not part of the deal you clowns!!!
They have changed the rule back now Twig no superclass in novice.

[twig]

You mean Dryballs actually picked up that gearbox??

But did he pay you the the loot?? That was a quater of a lighting ET!!

You need that prop David!!

And on Sharp As.Before they changed the rules Ian was about to get serious.He had bought 2 of the 3 S3000's powerheads of Mr Walker.It would have been interesting.

Old Roy Turner skied behind it at Midlura and reckoned when both powerhead actually fired 90 mile 2 up wasn't a problem.

Sounded awsome!!

[NNT]

BRP wins one goofy race and you guys are turning it into a 20 page net novel :D

[JPQ]

Obviously you didnt read any of it, but as usual you find the need to insert a stupid non related post! Why is that? You are always taking shots on etec trends! People like you that have nothing valuable to add bring this forum down!

[NNT]

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[NNT]

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[JPQ]

You just proved my point..:rolleyes:




PS...whiner?...so you lower the standards to name calling too!....whats NNT stand for...naplesnuttwister?

[twig]

Pritty funny but!!:D

[NNT]

Pritty funny but!!:D

I'm glad there's someone else that gets I'm just kidding and having fun http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
You go on a lot of the Mercury lovefest threads and theres plenty of the diehard OMC/BRP guys having fun in them. :D

[Down Under]

If what im hearing is correct - Tony Rowe is getting a rig together with a 250HO...

If Stubbs's come to the 80, Rowey gets his sorted in time, Stalker is smokin and there may be others - we might be battling to see a Merc in the top 5 in SMOC.

He He He He Ha Ha, Now that will be GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
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[NNT]

You just proved my point..:rolleyes:




PS...whiner?...so you lower the standards to name calling too!....whats NNT stand for...naplesnuttwister?


You'd have to grow a set and have em drop before I could twist em peewee :D

[JPQ]

Your so good with your comebacks..:p .a real internet rambo.:cool: .by the looks of your aviator you need to stay away from the young girls..;) .....by the way.. mines bigger than yours!!:D

[NNT]

Your so good with your comebacks..:p .a real internet rambo.:cool: .by the looks of your aviator you need to stay away from the young girls..;) .....by the way.. mines bigger than yours!!:D

Hey she was legal in Kentucky and her mom is my aunt, so it's all good. :D

[Skirace87]

Hey she was legal in Kentucky and her mom is my aunt, so it's all good. :D

New from the makers of Trivial Pursuit, Insest - a Game the whole family can play.

[spinal tap racing]

You mean Dryballs actually picked up that gearbox??

But did he pay you the the loot?? That was a quater of a lighting ET!!

You need that prop David!!

And on Sharp As.Before they changed the rules Ian was about to get serious.He had bought 2 of the 3 S3000's powerheads of Mr Walker.It would have been interesting.

Old Roy Turner skied behind it at Midlura and reckoned when both powerhead actually fired 90 mile 2 up wasn't a problem.

Sounded awsome!!
Picked up! Paid the loot! Spent the loot bugga!!!!!!

[twig]

I still know were there is a skier looking for a run that comes with a 30 ET Dave if you loose a skier.

He is on this thread actually.


By the way stop getting dirt from my brother!!!!:mad:

[Zero]

If what im hearing is correct - Tony Rowe is getting a rig together with a 250HO...

I haven't heard what power Rowey is planning on...
Where is the 250HO mail from?

[Down Under]

I'm just assuming after......

a - he advertised 4 skiers (on the SRA classifieds) wanted under the name of Evinrude Racing

b - I know he has a very light 19 CYCLONE

but i do not have any "concrete" mail.....

[Zero]

Yeah cool, that may very well be right.
He has run under the name Evinrude Racing / Crossfire for a lot of years.

[spinal tap racing]

I still know were there is a skier looking for a run that comes with a 30 ET Dave if you loose a skier.

He is on this thread actually.


By the way stop getting dirt from my brother!!!!:mad:

Stick is a very helpfull man!
Now what was that drink you ordered??????
Princess

[twig]

I have no idea why you are attacking me Dave I never hang anything on you this very up setting. Oh,hold,thats right........there are very few posts were I don't!!!:p


The Rowey thing is fact he picks it up Christmas eve HO HO HO........that was really bad,just couldn't help myself.I think its a bi-product of hangin around Bisho to much!!

Rowey will be hard to beat,when his little Bullet was of the pace he still won,the man is a genius!!!

And from driving Kaned-it he already knows whats required.

He might fix up his own Sthn 80 record.

I would love to know if the Stubbs's are come to the Vic races,Darrren??

Its awsome to see that this thread already has been viewed by over 11500 people.It proves that the HO/XS competiton is generating huge interest!! And that more Aussie's are embracing this form of communication and free speech.

Top stuff.

Although they may just be reading to see Dave Bishop get toasted!!!!:D

[DSP1]

My understanding is both the Stubbs boys as well as Paul with "On the Move" are going to make the trip south.

This could mean there are 3-4 250HO's powering very slick and proven teams.......

[gringo]

Hey all you regulars on this thread seem to be in the thick of the aussie ski race scene especially the vic end of it. Why dont we ( or one of the regular races) start a new thread about the outboard ski race scene in Aust. Its almost like this thread has the wrong title. Just a thought, thats all. A few of the retired old boy have been following this thread who are not members and like myself are havin a chuckle over it , seems like nothin has changed in 15 years mercs and omc's still kick arse .

I'll post soon details of a club / social race day we are havin at the Hume Boat Club under the banner of a "test and tune" day, which is all about grunge racing, drags, prop swaping, and general hoonin about in hot boats
at lake hume.

Great thread...............

[twig]

Don't be concered Gringo us Aussie's hi-jack threads all the time!!:D

[Skirace87]

Don't be concered Gringo us Aussie's hi-jack threads all the time!!:D

Must be our convict heritage RIP Ned Kelly

[Zero]

Hey all you regulars on this thread seem to be in the thick of the aussie ski race scene especially the vic end of it. Why dont we ( or one of the regular races) start a new thread about the outboard ski race scene in Aust. Its almost like this thread has the wrong title. Just a thought, thats all. A few of the retired old boy have been following this thread who are not members and like myself are havin a chuckle over it , seems like nothin has changed in 15 years mercs and omc's still kick arse .

Nice idea... I was only a few click away from doing the same thing the other day in the "Racers Hangout" section, but then I realised I was enjoying this one too much... and it would be another thread that I would have to keep checking.

But as I think someone said once... If you build it, they will come!... probably.

[Down Under]

Who's gonna do it then? -

Twig - you have heaps of time on your hands!