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Aosborne01
08-15-2007, 09:19 AM
I am thinking of buying a ring 20 and I would like to know if any body knows how they ride and what engine would be good on it? Also do u think it could keep up with 22 progressions in offshore races?

The Docta
08-15-2007, 01:09 PM
Hi

I run a Ring 21. Great in the rough but the top end is not as good as it could be. I run a 2.0L race XR2 200hp on mine and she'll run mid 60's swinging a well worked 22 chopper.

Would deinitely see 70's im sure if she was running a 260 or 280 EFI. Some of the ski racers in the UK have run twin EFI's although i'm not sure what top end they see. :)

Aosborne01
08-15-2007, 01:27 PM
I am thinking of getting a merc 2.5 280 with offshore mid to put on it, that should push it pretty good.

Do u know any thing about 22 progressions?:confused: and if u do how would they compare to a ring 20 in offshore races both running 2.5 mercs

ciao!
08-15-2007, 01:41 PM
http://www.progressionboats.com/home/22%20OB.html

BluFin
08-15-2007, 03:18 PM
That would be a very intresting head to head I must confess. IMHO the Progression would be quicker in the calmer conditions with the Ring prefering the other end of the scale. Mike built them fairly bullet proof. So bolt everything & yourself in and go for it. Sure you can fit a 280 even twin 280's but I think it upsets the balance. They drive really well but attention is required when you pass the low 70's IMHO but that might be more to do with the fact that they are so very easy below that you sometimes forget how quick your going

Edit: afterthought what about a Frode 21

ciao!
08-15-2007, 04:58 PM
Everything I have ever read about racing in Bermuda is that it is rough!!

Here is a latest bit of news I found
http://www.islandstats.com/sport.asp?sport=23

Aosborne01
08-15-2007, 06:57 PM
Oh ya it is very rough on the south shore, we have a round the island race every year, this year 4 guys got thrown out of boats, one nose dived into wave and sunk and one hit a reef and ripped the lower unit right off the mid. Its pretty crazy :eek:

Aosborne01
08-15-2007, 07:01 PM
That would be a very intresting head to head I must confess. IMHO the Progression would be quicker in the calmer conditions with the Ring prefering the other end of the scale. Mike built them fairly bullet proof. So bolt everything & yourself in and go for it. Sure you can fit a 280 even twin 280's but I think it upsets the balance. They drive really well but attention is required when you pass the low 70's IMHO but that might be more to do with the fact that they are so very easy below that you sometimes forget how quick your going

Edit: afterthought what about a Frode 21



Blufin thanks for the info :) :D

ciao!
08-15-2007, 07:28 PM
Could you let us know a little bit more about what boats run in Bermuda? Class size, Hulls etc? It was a long time since I was there on business... I remember the Robin Hood Pub!

Aosborne01
08-15-2007, 08:52 PM
There are only about 15 20 boat that race. We have A class which is modified 90hp motors there are a few 16 phantoms that run in that, FB class which is stock 150 evinrudes there are some 18 phantoms and a 21 allison, C class is modified 2.5L single outboard cats they run 21 skaters, D class is modified 2.5L single outboards there are a few progression and bat boats (ocke boats) in that (what I would like to run in with my ring :D ), S class is twin 2.5L there a couple 28 and 24 skaters and P class is unlimited any thing goes, this class is new and only a few boats a couple 28 skaters and a 30 spectre cats with 300 mercs.

BluFin
08-16-2007, 01:41 AM
Could you run a 200XS in FB Class is it a hard 2.0L limit

Burty Boat Dude
08-16-2007, 02:36 AM
I can't see a ring 20 beating any bat baot

Aosborne01
08-16-2007, 10:29 AM
no in FB u have to run stock 150 rudes....

doppler491
08-17-2007, 12:18 AM
Ok guys, I took these videos when watching the main race of our offshore season the 'round the island' race. You get a quick sample of what the different classes and speeds they reach, these are all on the calmest waters of the race and the boats are WOT at this location...

A-Class: Phantom 16 - 90hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLikmA5NRs

FB-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqRzK45k3bs - Phantom 18 & Allison Drag boat - Stock Evinrude 150's

C-Class: 21 Skaters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIgLMF2Pkec - Yamaha V-Max engine
(Roughest part of course) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWy16CdsqU - Merc engine

D-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL9OtZqYpRU - Ocke Mannerfelt #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX4XejrnW_w - Ocke Mannerfelt #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEm2wLA9swQ - #1 on rough waters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPXAYw5LrWk - class winner, Progression 22 - rough section

P-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX137mqMOWY - 21 Skater Merc 300
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jah7PKNPnW8 - 2? Skater - Twin 300XS

S-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ273HWTSDI - Twin Merc 2.8's?
(rough part of course) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZblPuT-a9I

If somebody can imbed the video's into a single post I would greatly appreciate it! Enjoy!

doppler491
08-17-2007, 12:22 AM
The RING20 this post was about is an old hull I believe...does anybody know how old the screw on screens were?

Seen here:
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3382/img0040ak9.th.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0040ak9.jpg)

The Docta
08-17-2007, 07:43 AM
Hi

These were 80's - probably early to mid!

:)

ciao!
08-17-2007, 08:13 AM
If somebody can imbed the video's into a single post I would greatly appreciate it! Enjoy!

Best thing to do is say your videos are hosted here... http://www.youtube.com/user/doppler491

Thanks for posting!

doppler491
08-17-2007, 01:01 PM
How were these older hulls in relation to the newer model ones? Were they heavier, made differently, etc? Any help would be great..just like to know what I'm buying before I pay the cash..

Thanks

ciao!
08-17-2007, 01:37 PM
The older hulls ie. Phantom, Ring, Marshan etc. set up really well in the hands of a good driver can still be competitive in the rough - but the Batboat is now way ahead in design and speed!

ber1023
08-17-2007, 01:42 PM
Ok guys, I took these videos when watching the main race of our offshore season the 'round the island' race. You get a quick sample of what the different classes and speeds they reach, these are all on the calmest waters of the race and the boats are WOT at this location...

A-Class: Phantom 16 - 90hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLikmA5NRs

FB-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqRzK45k3bs - Phantom 18 & Allison Drag boat - Stock Evinrude 150's

C-Class: 21 Skaters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIgLMF2Pkec - Yamaha V-Max engine
(Roughest part of course) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWy16CdsqU - Merc engine

D-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL9OtZqYpRU - Ocke Mannerfelt #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX4XejrnW_w - Ocke Mannerfelt #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEm2wLA9swQ - #1 on rough waters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPXAYw5LrWk - class winner, Progression 22 - rough section

P-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX137mqMOWY - 21 Skater Merc 300
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jah7PKNPnW8 - 2? Skater - Twin 300XS

S-Class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ273HWTSDI - Twin Merc 2.8's?
(rough part of course) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZblPuT-a9I

If somebody can imbed the video's into a single post I would greatly appreciate it! Enjoy!

** 28 skater and 30 skater the 28 skater house call didnt race this year the 21 skater isnt a p class it just says it

**merc 2.5s

gazza
08-17-2007, 02:08 PM
I've had two Ring 20's, 1st with 200 mec the one i have now has 225 yam,which is being sold in the spring,as i am going back to a Phantom 20 with a 225 yam.
I cannot put my finger on it but the Ring's i've had just do not handle as well as the Phantoms, had Phantom 20 and 18 in the past and both handled great.
You may want to consider something different, i had a 21 Wright / Campbell cat for years, had great fun and was very quick with a 200 merc on, but only a 2 seater though.

ciao!
08-17-2007, 02:35 PM
Yep the Lorne Campbell 21' cats were great fun - in a straight line!!!

Blufin on this forum saved my head being removed from an on coming fleet of boats after I tipped one over on a turn mark.

Apart from expensive freight are there any issues about buying a second hand UK boat in Bermuda?

doppler491
08-17-2007, 02:39 PM
No, I would gladly buy a second hand bout from the UK (or US for that matter) if I could find one and get it here for a good price. The problem is, with being in school, I don't have the available money to buy a nice boat away, get it shipped here, and pay duty on it.

Duty is 33% (I think, or thereabouts) and shipping would cost quite abit...at the end of the day I will have spent double the original cost of the boat...and thats what's offputting to me!

:(

ciao!
08-17-2007, 02:47 PM
Yeah I seem to remember there was a heavy tax / duty issue with Bermuda, seem to remember looking in to it years ago for a guy I met over there.

Cheaper way could be to buy a set of plans from Lorne Campbell for a 21' cat and get a local boat builder/ carpenter mate to build one for you.

This has been done before.

BluFin
08-17-2007, 05:06 PM
I agree a ring wont beat a bat. 150 class right water & set up it would be close but there are toooooo many years between designs. I have Lorne's details & contact if you want em.

gazza
08-18-2007, 02:17 AM
Ring also did a 22 cat, lovely looking boat,My mate had one but even with a 250 vx yam injected still only did 58 mph on a perfect day,as they were very heavy.
I still say for the fun factor that 21 Wright / Campbell (C68 ex Tony Hamiltons) i had was just the daddys:) , had to sell it as the wood was at the point of no return,:(
It sits now on a roof of a Marine yard in Helensburgh painted in its colours
on show.

BluFin
08-18-2007, 03:30 AM
I see that ringcat going out a Mudeford as I was on the way in one evening the week before last. A great looking boat but just lack the top end ever so slightly, couple of rails on the back thats what it needs

gazza
08-18-2007, 03:40 AM
[quote=BluFin;1171726]I see that ringcat going out a Mudeford as I was on the way in one evening the week before last. A great looking boat but just lack the top end ever so slightly, couple of rails on the back thats what it needs[/quote

Do you know how many Ringcat's were made?
The one that was up here ( fife ) went down to Southampton way, it was called PERRR-FECT.

ciao!
08-18-2007, 07:10 AM
Any ideas what C68 started life as? If you post a picture I could probably remember.

gazza
08-18-2007, 08:36 AM
Think it was 2 litre class, Tony Hamilton raced it before i had it.
If i found a good example, i would have another, the plan until then is, the Ring 20 goes in the spring then to be replaced with a Phantom 20.
I am just about to embark on a BLUFIN style project on a single seater F3 16ft Burgess circuit race cat, But trying to find a Yam 70 s/shaft is proving hard!
I dont have a picture but there is one on BOATMAD gallery on the search type A-TECH there is only 1 photo.the blue on the picture had been changed to red before i bought it.
On the subject of Boatmad, since it came back on line again, for some reason does'nt seem to be the same, there are fewer interesting posting less banter etc could still be a good site,
Has anyone else noticed this? could be just me.

BluFin
08-18-2007, 10:33 AM
think it was about 6. or so one got twinned with a pair of XR2's but TD (Extreme on here) would know for sure. You can still get one moulded in Belgium which is where the moulds got sold onto. I'd still like one at some despite the top end a reallly good all round performer and so stable purrrrrrfect for the family.


But then there is the re-introduced sportcat 22 mmmmhhhhhhhhhh!!!

gazza
08-18-2007, 12:41 PM
Sportcat 22 just googled it it looks nice too stepped hull as well, I know Blindog on boatmad would like a Ringcat, or even a go it one, so if anybody you know has one he's the man.
I believe he knows you ( Scott Younger ) Adam's brother.
Because of their weight they are ok in a chop i am informed?
Have you seen them inside, the one i was it was well nice.

ciao!
08-19-2007, 01:59 PM
Jon have you ever thought about doing a deal with Lorne and producing a mould of your boat?

Just think ..."The Midas Project" could go on for years!

That boat would fit nicely into classes around the world - the Turkish scene springs to mind, amongst others.

ciao!
08-19-2007, 05:05 PM
Ring also did a 22 cat, lovely looking boat,My mate had one but even with a 250 vx yam injected still only did 58 mph on a perfect day,as they were very heavy.
I still say for the fun factor that 21 Wright / Campbell (C68 ex Tony Hamiltons) i had was just the daddys:) , had to sell it as the wood was at the point of no return,:(
It sits now on a roof of a Marine yard in Helensburgh painted in its colours
on show.


As a guess I think your old cat started life as "Too Paralytic!"

I have put a shoddy web page together tonight to show the 80's Campbell cats.. if anyone wants to fill the blanks please help me out!

http://www.classicoffshore.com/boatslorne.htm

The TV is so boring this time of year!!!!!!!!!!

Burty Boat Dude
08-20-2007, 07:10 AM
[quote=BluFin;1171726]I see that ringcat going out a Mudeford as I was on the way in one evening the week before last. A great looking boat but just lack the top end ever so slightly, couple of rails on the back thats what it needs[/quote

Do you know how many Ringcat's were made?
The one that was up here ( fife ) went down to Southampton way, it was called PERRR-FECT.

Dunno but there was one in the marina at littlehampton yesterday

Burty Boat Dude
08-20-2007, 07:11 AM
On the subject of Boatmad, since it came back on line again, for some reason does'nt seem to be the same, there are fewer interesting posting less banter etc could still be a good site,
Has anyone else noticed this? could be just me.

Not allowed anymore

gazza
08-20-2007, 12:04 PM
Not allowed anymore#

Am so, There
Ate humble pie with Jon today, (went on with another alias for a laugh yesterday)
Boatmad is picking up again slowly since its shutdown, the difference between that and Ribnet, Ribnet does not have the technical expertise of Boatmad different people altogether.
Don't want to get banned from it again.

gazza
08-20-2007, 12:10 PM
As a guess I think your old cat started life as "Too Paralytic!"

I have put a shoddy web page together tonight to show the 80's Campbell cats.. if anyone wants to fill the blanks please help me out!

http://www.classicoffshore.com/boatslorne.htm

The TV is so boring this time of year!!!!!!!!!!

So My old boat was made in 1983, no bad it was still running until 2004
21 years, did'nt know that!
Thanks

Burty Boat Dude
08-20-2007, 12:16 PM
No, I'm not

gazza
08-20-2007, 02:04 PM
No, I'm not

Rather you check with Jon
Check my profile on BM is up and running again!
Instead of making a fool of yourself here,
Not getting in to oh yes you are oh no your not match.
A sorry from yourself will be sufficient :)

Cheers Gazza

Burty Boat Dude
08-20-2007, 04:05 PM
:confused:

BluFin
08-30-2007, 05:21 PM
Sportcat 22 just googled it it looks nice too stepped hull as well, I know Blindog on boatmad would like a Ringcat, or even a go it one, so if anybody you know has one he's the man.
I believe he knows you ( Scott Younger ) Adam's brother.
Because of their weight they are ok in a chop i am informed?
Have you seen them inside, the one i was it was well nice.

Model first saw light of day as the Lynx 22 then Hydrolift picked it up re-did the deck which made a huge difference - a Burgess Design.

Spoke with scott a week or so ago, when I was chasing a spare sportmaster. Nice to chat not seen him for many years, took a min or two for the Blind dog bit to register but clicked in the end..... I'm just a bit slow

gazza
08-31-2007, 01:27 PM
Model first saw light of day as the Lynx 22 then Hydrolift picked it up re-did the deck which made a huge difference - a Burgess Design.

Spoke with scott a week or so ago, when I was chasing a spare sportmaster. Nice to chat not seen him for many years, took a min or two for the Blind dog bit to register but clicked in the end..... I'm just a bit slow

He's as mad a brush, but a good guy.
He has really got the boat bug back again me thinks.

Extreme
09-01-2007, 08:27 AM
[QUOTE=doppler491;1170995]The RING20 this post was about is an old hull I believe...does anybody know how old the screw on screens were?

[QUOTE]

Pre 81

BluFin
09-01-2007, 04:06 PM
Extreme would know along with Mike RIng

May even see them back in production very soon :D

gazza
09-02-2007, 02:11 PM
Is this a secret you are going to share? Or maybe you cannot?
Take it this will be Tony?
Will they ever do this with a Phantom 20?
You can guess why am asking this!!
Me wants a clean one.

BluFin
09-02-2007, 04:50 PM
;)
More info posted as it becomes public

Burty Boat Dude
09-03-2007, 05:04 AM
I believe the original Phantom 20 moulds are up for sale

Extreme
09-03-2007, 12:39 PM
Is this a secret you are going to share? Or maybe you cannot?
Take it this will be Tony?
Will they ever do this with a Phantom 20?
You can guess why am asking this!!
Me wants a clean one.

I have the rights to the Ring 20, I also have one of the last produced to use as tooling for the new updated version, the only thing I'm currently missing is some time to get it done.

I had hoped to get some on the water for the start of this season, hopefully it'll only be 1 year behind schedule.... :D Which is pretty normal in the world of boat building.

Extreme
09-03-2007, 12:40 PM
I believe the original Phantom 20 moulds are up for sale

So I've been told, if only I had some more room...

gazza
09-03-2007, 12:43 PM
How Much??
Do you know what condition there at? (how much product has been through them)
And how would this be taken lets say by others, if other boats were made to cover my costs only.
I did this with a set of 355 ferrari moulds for an MR2 again to cover my costs on another that i am building at the moment, which i suppose is classed as that forbidden word a SPLASH.
A few years ago i had this P20 Which can only be described as Faultless, i.e, Never sat on sand, only on water and carpeted bunked trailer from new.
So i want a as new Red P20 for me it's just the right size.

BluFin
09-04-2007, 04:20 AM
P20 Moulds point of origin isn't Malta or Cowes is it????


You should have a boat which is one foot for each year of your age but I cant afford one that big !!!

Burty Boat Dude
09-04-2007, 06:20 AM
They are the original Baker moulds that Trio are selling / have sold and i had the contact details and price on a PM however i cant access it anymore so am unable pass on the info.
You could always purchase my almost faultless P20 its red and white and available from end of september;)

gazza
09-04-2007, 02:05 PM
P20 Moulds point of origin isn't Malta or Cowes is it????


You should have a boat which is one foot for each year of your age but I cant afford one that big !!!

One foot for each year (must be a English thing) it's slightly different in Scotland, one foot = for each mental year,i float between 13/20 years, which for me is probably works out about right.
One day i will grow up Ga Ga, Ga Ga
Ps i'm about your age:)

BluFin
09-04-2007, 02:15 PM
They are the original Baker moulds that Trio are selling / have sold and i had the contact details and price on a PM however i cant access it anymore so am unable pass on the info.
You could always purchase my almost faultless P20 its red and white and available from end of september;)


Burty can you e-mail that through cowing trim thingy you were talking about on the other thread. Pice & parts list if ya can

Gazza is that mental or phyiscal age.... coz we are both in trouble dude:D

gazza
09-04-2007, 02:34 PM
They are the original Baker moulds that Trio are selling / have sold and i had the contact details and price on a PM however i cant access it anymore so am unable pass on the info.
You could always purchase my almost faultless P20 its red and white and available from end of september;)


Burty
PM sent

robert j garner
09-05-2007, 12:08 PM
new boat then burty????

Rob

Burty Boat Dude
09-06-2007, 02:54 AM
Burty can you e-mail that through cowing trim thingy you were talking about on the other thread. Pice & parts list if ya can



Dude, I'll take a picture tonight.
its very cheap just the cost of 2 M20 cable glands from electrical wholesaler

C.O.Performance
09-03-2012, 03:01 AM
It's one of the first Models a Ring A Model must be from the early 80's or older

C.O.Performance
09-03-2012, 04:03 PM
Opps, i think that comant is in the wrong spot. I didn't see that ther is more than on page in this tread. Sorry