Barry Bond's

[The Big Al]

I just had to be the one to ask!

Now, history was not fair to Roger Maris.
And it was because of the longer season and the popularity of Babe Ruth. And was corrected after his death.

As myself and many others, who just don't like Barry Bonds.

Will time give him do credit?

[Trikki1010]

Hmmmmm,

What would happen if someone used NOS in the "Stock Production" Class:eek: :eek: ;)

Just look at Barry when he first started playing, then currently

SEE, No difference :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[mr.clean]

The Pitcher that he hit #755 off of was suspended for using Steroids so the "He cheated" argument kind of loses steam since He's not the only one to cheat. Hammering Hank Aaron was accused by many of using Amphetamines as were most of my Baseball Hero's. Barry is a King sized Dick head but He's also a absolute Stud of a Ball player and one of the Game's best ever.

[Hydrophobic guy]

What ever happens in sports it ain't gonna change my life.
Have a couple of friends that played pro football and as they say been there done that.
If they want to get re-hired every body in pro anything is on something.
I'll be having a happy retirement, doubt they will.

[Fish]

Where does it stop? How many other records in professional sports across the board were achieved with the use of roids or GH? Might be easier to count the ones that were not. Why was Mcguire not chastised the way bonds is, he is a poster-boy for roids? Because Bonds is an A-hole. There, I said it.

I don't agree with cheating, but is this really "cheating"? He gets an advantage from being able to work out harder, recover faster, ending up being stronger. Ok, he is stronger. So are a lot of other baseball players (and other pro athletes). Sosa Corked his bat, that is definitely cheating, but Sosa is not an A-hole, and the world would have rejoiced if it were him instead of Bonds.

Oh yeah, he has not tested positive. I do think he juiced, but it is pro sports, who doesn't? If any pro (or college) sport wanted to stop it, they could randomly test, fine, suspend, bust, harass.... run roids right out of sports. It can be done. Fact is, sports are more entertaining with roids. People are faster, bigger, hit harder, throw harder, dive farther, jump higher... you name it, for sports that at their very root equal money, no one wants to stop it because sports are more exciting with roids than without.

The shame of it is, the lives of these athletes are dramatically shortened. Owners, comissioners, the NCAA, all bow to the pressure of the $$$ with expendable athletes. I guess they look at it like nitrous in a motor; who cares if it will wear it out much faster, it sure can run while it is working and there is another one waiting to take its place in the shop. Just my $.02

[bravo 1]

I agree with fish on this matter and besides no matter how many roids or enhancemnet drugs a person takes it still takes raw talent to be able to even hit a 100 MPH fast ball

[INXS]

People see things in a way to reflect there own values. A small local hi-school football team ended up ranked third in the state. The local newspaper showed pictures of them and also listed their weights which ranged from 265-320#s, or so. Anyway the paper said that that line could have started on most college football teams and would have been very competitive. Now I'm sure the couches and the players parents wondered how these seniors could have gotton so bulked-up?:eek: :rolleyes: :confused:
But yet I'm sure that whatevery they though was quickly overcome by the thought "That's My Team".

[Racemore]

The fact is that unless everybody can then it all BS.Cut and Dry,Plain and Simple.They might as well let the junkies have thier smack too.:cool:

[Hydrophobic guy]

The fact is that unless everybody can then it all BS.Cut and Dry,Plain and Simple.They might as well let the junkies have thier smack too.:cool:

Sorry to say that is the way it's going.
One of my friends was an offensive tackle that played for the Brown's.
He amazingly remembers many times having amonia inhalents stuck up his nose
while getting happy shots to go back on the line for the next run and that was 15 years ago.
Think its gotten better?

[Pro300x24LD]

The Pitcher that he hit #755 off of was suspended for using Steroids so the "He cheated" argument kind of loses steam since He's not the only one to cheat. Hammering Hank Aaron was accused by many of using Amphetamines as were most of my Baseball Hero's. Barry is a King sized Dick head but He's also a absolute Stud of a Ball player and one of the Game's best ever.Couldn't agree more.

I hate barry, but the damn playing field is level, Aaron wasn't the only using stuff he wasnt allowed. Neither is barry, everyone in baseball is using the same stuff, so it is not like barry is the only guy using.

[crown1]

jose canseco and mark mcguire looked like gorillas when they played. neither of them are within 300 hr's of bonds. do you think arnold swarzenager could have hit a hr ? it's talent and talent only....

[Racemore]

jose canseco and mark mcguire looked like gorillas when they played. neither of them are within 300 hr's of bonds. do you think arnold swarzenager could have hit a hr ? it's talent and talent only....

Horses--t It's enhanced talent.Arnold probably could hit a home run but he figured he would be Mr. Olympia 1970,71,72,73,74,75and 1980.He's a little too smart to spend his time swinging at a baseball.He'd rather be a Scholar,Actor,Director and Junior Mr Europe a year after Barrys daddy should have let him run down his leg.You have the right to look at it as you want but I think it would be better for the game of Baseball if he was "Terminated".:cool: Oh ,and Governor

[mr.clean]

Racemore, Hitting a 90-100 MPH round ball with a round bat,squarely is the most difficult thing to do in Professional Sports. While Steroids would make a athlete stronger and able to recover faster it will have no impact on his ability to see the ball. Seeing the ball is 90% of hitting and I never heard of someone shooting steroids in their eyes. Your comments lead me to believe that you know very little about the game of baseball.

[The Big Al]

Racemore, Hitting a 90-100 MPH round ball with a round bat,squarely is the most difficult thing to do in Professional Sports. While Steroids would make a athlete stronger and able to recover faster it will have no impact on his ability to see the ball. Seeing the ball is 90% of hitting and I never heard of someone shooting steroids in their eyes. Your comments lead me to believe that you know very little about the game of baseball.

So very very true!

60mph is hard! never mind 100mph!

Can you imagine having the brain control to slow that down!

And how about the guy throwing it!

I love baseball! Always have!

[Racemore]

Racemore, Hitting a 90-100 MPH round ball with a round bat,squarely is the most difficult thing to do in Professional Sports. While Steroids would make a athlete stronger and able to recover faster it will have no impact on his ability to see the ball. Seeing the ball is 90% of hitting and I never heard of someone shooting steroids in their eyes. Your comments lead me to believe that you know very little about the game of baseball.

I'm sure of that but if you do it all your life that should account for something.It's not his ability I'm refering to
At my age and growing up in the social drug set I'm a F###ing expert.I played pretty good 9 ball in my younger years. Enhanced I'd run out on your azz in a row.Straight I was a B+ player at best.Don't BS me.I learn from my mistakes right or wrong.:cool:

[CDave]

Racemore, Hitting a 90-100 MPH round ball with a round bat,squarely is the most difficult thing to do in Professional Sports

I disagree with that. Winning the Tour de France is the most dificult thing to do in Professional sports, IMO.

[beer30]

I think Barry Bonds is getting a raw deal. Just because he has no personality with the media, is now known as a user. Has anybody looked at the kids growing up today. 12 and 13 year girls have bodies that could be in Playboy. It's almost impossible to tell how old they are. I think the foods we eat today are chemically treated to last longer, grow bigger. Beef alone has to be one most treated things on earth. Bonds biggest problem is he doesn't have the ability to speak to the media without getting defensive. He is not Jordan, Woods, or Shaq. The media loves these guys, they have the gift to gab. Bonds just doesn't have it, and never will. He would be just as happy to play ball and break records and go home. From the get go of his career, he never looked comfortable talking to the press. A Tiger Woods eats it up, and comes back for more. So Barry will go down in history as a 'roids user that broke Hank Arron's record because the Press could never embrace him. But in the same token, I am sure he crying all the way to the bank. Chuck

[stokernick]

how do explain his increased bulk and strength at age 35 when ''normal'' people [athletes] are in the declining years of growth?I truly believe he has the best hand/eye coordination in baseball today,but how many homeruns came just clearing the fence?I guess we should all just accept it as ''it is what it is!!

[The Big Al]

I disagree with that. Winning the Tour de France is the most dificult thing to do in Professional sports, IMO.

Hummm,

15 rounds with Muhammad Ali or Joe Frazer!!!

(just the thought of it)

I would hope they knock me out the first punch and I do live!!!

[beer30]

how do explain his increased bulk and strength at age 35 when ''normal'' people [athletes] are in the declining years of growth?I truly believe he has the best hand/eye coordination in baseball today,but how many homeruns came just clearing the fence?I guess we should all just accept it as ''it is what it is!!

A-Rod will hit 900 if he keeps going at his pace. But the juice for him never has been a issue.:confused: Chuck

[CrayzKirk]

Who really cares? Athletes make so much money for something they are born able to do. Once people start filling stadiums to watch people hammer out program code or rebuild engines, then I'll care...

Baseball is slow, dull and boring. These guys get more news time than the real issues in the world. If he was playing for the Royals, no one would have even blinked when he did it...

Kirk S.

[stokernick]

Chuck,it's coming but fortunately for him he didn't wait 'til he was 35 to start!I guess no one listened to HulkHogan,huh?!

[Action Dave]

Who really cares? Athletes make so much money for something they are born able to do. Once people start filling stadiums to watch people hammer out program code or rebuild engines, then I'll care

While I agree that athletes make rediculous money to play a kid's game, they make all that money because they can do what nobody else can. Why does Tom Cruise get 30 mil to make a movie? Because he draws crowds better than almost any actor. There are very few people who can do what these people do and they get compensated for it.

As for Bonds...Babe Ruth never took steroids, played in huge ballparks, hit baseballs that were much softer than today's, and won over 100 games as a pitcher. Screw roids, I'm drinking beer!

[mr.clean]

Screw roids, I'm drinking beer!


Amen Brother :D Imagine if Ruth had A personal Valet,Nutritionist,Physical Therapist,Balco and played in Coors Field with that Juiced Ball and a Armadillo on his Elbow :eek: :eek: :eek: 1400!

[stokernick]

remember Musial,Williams,Schoendeist,DiMaggio,EddieYost,Hodges,Snyder,Sain,Spahn,etc.Some played cuz they loved the game.Another reason I like Jeter!

[Lanceonthelake]

A-Rod will hit 900 if he keeps going at his pace. But the juice for him never has been a issue.:confused: Chuck
True.. and by the looks of the poll, Barry Bonds won't have to deal with bad history very long.

[David]

I think after we've had a generation or two to get used to the idea that drugs have altered most sports, people will come around and accept Bond's feat.

There was a piece in the Globe and Mail (Canadian business paper) that says his marketing potential is close to zero because of his personality, even without the steroid controversy. Despite that, he should have enough money for life from his baseball salary. Everyone liked McGwire but I don't see him doing a lot of endorsements now.

For my 2 cents, the biggest hypocrite in the sports world is Dick Pound, former head of the Olympic doping agency. He got that gig after losing out in his quest for the top job. Until he got the doping job, he was just another IOC suit who wanted records and looked the other way about how the records were set.

At my age (49) I could use steroids. If they aid recovery after a work out, it would help me a lot. If it were legal, and medically supervised, I'd try them.

[Euroski]

Don't think he cares about anyone but hiself or anyone around him! The orignal overpaid, selfish problem child.