Adding Acetone To Gas= better Mileage?

[INXS]

At least that's what a article I've found says.:rolleyes:
They say adding 2 ozs. to ten gallons can give you between 15-35% better milegae W/O any extra wear on your motor.:eek:
Anyone every hear of this as I sure as hell haven't and doubt it very much!:(

[David - WI]

At least that's what a article I've found says.:rolleyes:
They say adding 2 ozs. to ten gallons can give you between 15-35% better milegae W/O any extra wear on your motor.:eek:
Anyone every hear of this as I sure as hell haven't and doubt it very much!:(

Absolute bull****!

The only vehicles that show any "improvement" are 25 year old, high mileage beaters that needed a fuel system cleaning anyway.

Just so that I could say for certain rather than guess, I tested it: http://forums.pstuning.com/index.php?showtopic=1244

[twong]

Hey inxs, i have heard acetone being used as an octane booster in drag racing but not for increasing mileage.

[eli]

i saw two guys drinking the stuff at great lakes dragway 10 years ago,said it was a rush. no bull.

[Bartman39]

Not sure if this is the article you saw...? But here is a rather lengthy one...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive


Kinda interesting...?

[delawarerick]

i saw two guys drinking the stuff at great lakes dragway 10 years ago,said it was a rush. no bull.LMAO now that would for sure buzz ya. I dont think anything is gonna help this gas. We are getting carb jobs in daily. I got to laugh cause 100 plus was the first to say this gas is crap and got crap for it. When the price of beef and chicken goes up cause of ethonal we might see some action taken. I am in no way saying that the farmers dont deserve the money their corn is bring in. I had dealer here tell me to add jet fuel. :eek: Rick

[Techno]

When you tell someone that X increases milage they try it and there is no way in the world to tell them it don't help.
Some say they can feel the difference running high octane instead of the lower octane the car was built for. I really doubt this.
My cousin tested that turbo gadget you put in your carb. He was dead set on it increasing milage by such a small amount I doubt any one besides a test lab could measure it.

The bottom line though is if it was true that I could get 2-4 mpg then the gas companies would be including it and charging me more. Gas companies already mix a witches brew for gas, I'm sure they have the money to test it.

[Liquid Force]

acetone is a relative of toulene, and we use that to add a bit of octane when we are drag racing turbo cars on high boost, but we are adding it at 15% ratio, as for increasing gas mileage I would be blown away if it did.

[dynobo]

A year or so ago one of the automobile forums had a fellow who did a test for about a six month period with using Acetone VS. not using it. He swore he was getting 2-3 miles per gallon better with the acetone (fingernail polish remover). He would supposedly empty a 8 or 12 oz. bottle of the FPR into his fuel tank every other tank and " drive normal". Well the PLACEBO EFFECT certainly must have gotten a hold on him because he convinced me to do it also and after about 3 tanks and 2.99 per bottle times three, I gave up on the experiment with no conclusive gains. I fill pretty certain we can call it "MYTH BUSTED".

[pyro]

You can easily get 5 mpg better just by adjusting your driving habits, and I'm already outlined several times.

My Ford Escape 4X4 is getting over 26 MPG average lately, doing mixed city/town/highways/back roads...

[Mark75H]

Acetone is only related to toluene in that both are hydrocarbons that can be used as fuels, fuel additives or as solvents


Acetone is in the ketone chemical family and toluene is in the aromatic (benzene ring) chemical family

2 oz to 10 gallons is 640:1 - it might work as a lazy man's carb/injector cleaner, but as a fuel additive in a clean system it ain't doing squat

[Hydrophobic guy]

acetone is a relative of toulene, and we use that to add a bit of octane when we are drag racing turbo cars on high boost, but we are adding it at 15% ratio, as for increasing gas mileage I would be blown away if it did.

I used Toulene @ 25% in a twin blown small block with 10-1 comp 18lbs of boost worked great smelled real funny. I got the idea when I heard that they ran some Grand Prix cars way back on 100% Toulene and were pushing 80+lbs of boost before they realized it is extremely carcinegenic and was banned.

It was refered to as rocket fuel.

[Mark75H]

Toluene is carcinegenic, but only slightly. Just this evening I read some of the details regarding it in the F1 cars ... the max used was 84% and it was banned in attempt to reduce the power the turbo motors were making, not due to any toxicity concerns.

[1BadAction]

whats the flashpoint of toluene compared to methanol?

[Hydrophobic guy]

Toluene is carcinegenic, but only slightly. Just this evening I read some of the details regarding it in the F1 cars ... the max used was 84% and it was banned in attempt to reduce the power the turbo motors were making, not due to any toxicity concerns.

Must have read something different was 7 years ago when I was messing around with it. As for the carcinegenic level I wasn't taking chances. I had heard they had tried 100%. 84% what was the other 16% Alky? All I know is boost likes it, likes Alky too especially with higher compression.

[Mark75H]

They wanted to use 100% toluene, but FIA rules restricted the octane to 102 RON rating ... so the remaining 16% was n-heptane ... octane 0

The base chemical of the aromatic family, benzene, is very toxic. Caution is good

[Liquid Force]

Toluene is carcinegenic, but only slightly. Just this evening I read some of the details regarding it in the F1 cars ... the max used was 84% and it was banned in attempt to reduce the power the turbo motors were making, not due to any toxicity concerns.

I assume you are talking about the BMW and such the 1.5litre turbo making what 800-900hp? still blows my mind they were at that level in the 80's. Imagine where they would be today with all the other advancements that have been made.

From memory some nail polish remover uses toluene I remember picking up my wifes bottle of it and reading it on there...

[Markus]

They wanted to use 100% toluene, but FIA rules restricted the octane to 102 RON rating ... so the remaining 16% was n-heptane ... octane 0

The base chemical of the aromatic family, benzene, is very toxic. Caution is good

Also, you supposedly cannot cold start an engine on a 100% toluene mix, as it does not give off enough vapors.

We have discussed blending your own fuel using toluene here a few times before. I have some links on my links page discussing it as well.

Acetone, though, is a totally different hydrocarbon.

[Mark75H]

Nail polish remover is acetone

[moparbarn]

LMAO now that would for sure buzz ya. I dont think anything is gonna help this gas. We are getting carb jobs in daily. I got to laugh cause 100 plus was the first to say this gas is crap and got crap for it. When the price of beef and chicken goes up cause of ethonal we might see some action taken. I am in no way saying that the farmers dont deserve the money their corn is bring in. I had dealer here tell me to add jet fuel. :eek: Rick
jet fuel/jp1 is a main component of stp gas treatment. the basic red bottle. called gas treatment, not the carb cleaner/tune up in a bottle. i use it in my 2 older carbed vehicles. about every 4or 5 tanks, 1 bottle. helps with a smoother idle, and eliminates a minor surge ar part throttle the one with an electronic feedback carb developes occasionally. NO differance in mileage. i drive 62 miles one way to work, mostly good 4 lane roads, 60 to 70 mph is the norm. jet fuel, not a lot different than diesel, probably has a detergent action, help to clean the carb's jets some. never saw any benefit in a fuel injected vehicle.

AIRWALK
gettin' old ain't for sissies

[INXS]

Not sure if this is the article you saw...? But here is a rather lengthy one...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive


Kinda interesting...?

No, I didn't even link it cause I though it was BS.

[MattGreen]

Toluene is generally not considered a carcinogen. It has a number of other toxic effects for both short term high-level exposures as well as longer-term lower-level exposures, but cancers are not the health problem of primary concern (it's actually colour vision loss believe it or not).

Benzene, as Mk75H mentioned, is a confirmed human carcinogen - linked to an increased risk of leukemia for high-level exposures over decades. It is structuraly similar to toluene. Acetone is in a totally different chemical family, as mentioned above. The only similarity is that touene and acetone are both extremely common solvents.

1Bad, neat toluene has a flashpoint of 40 degrees F, and a vapour pressure of 21 mm mercury at 68 degrees F(moderate). Methanol is 52 F, and 96 mm respectively.

Matt

[Markus]

jet fuel/jp1 is a main component of stp gas treatment. the basic red bottle. called gas treatment, not the carb cleaner/tune up in a bottle. i use it in my 2 older carbed vehicles. about every 4or 5 tanks, 1 bottle. helps with a smoother idle, and eliminates a minor surge ar part throttle the one with an electronic feedback carb developes occasionally. NO differance in mileage. i drive 62 miles one way to work, mostly good 4 lane roads, 60 to 70 mph is the norm. jet fuel, not a lot different than diesel, probably has a detergent action, help to clean the carb's jets some. never saw any benefit in a fuel injected vehicle.



Kerosene (jet fuel) is just the solvent for the additives that you add to your gas. If anything in there makes a difference to how your car drives, it is those additives, not the kerosene.

Putting "made using jet fuel" on the bottle is just a trick to fool the average STP customer, just like those "octane points" on their octane booster that turn out to add a fraction of an octane to a tank of fuel.

If you are after kerosene, the market price for a gallon of jet fuel is about $2. That is enough for 16 of those $2 bottles of STP fuel treatment (if I am on top of my US units).

[AirRide]

Good info Matt. Does exposure to acetone have any effects to humans? Directly, indirectly, vapor inhalation, etc.? thanks
Toluene is generally not considered a carcinogen. It has a number of other toxic effects for both short term high-level exposures as well as longer-term lower-level exposures, but cancers are not the health problem of primary concern (it's actually colour vision loss believe it or not).

Benzene, as Mk75H mentioned, is a confirmed human carcinogen - linked to an increased risk of leukemia for high-level exposures over decades. It is structuraly similar to toluene. Acetone is in a totally different chemical family, as mentioned above. The only similarity is that touene and acetone are both extremely common solvents.

1Bad, neat toluene has a flashpoint of 40 degrees F, and a vapour pressure of 21 mm mercury at 68 degrees F(moderate). Methanol is 52 F, and 96 mm respectively.

Matt

[Mark75H]

Good info Matt. Does exposure to acetone have any effects to humans? Directly, indirectly, vapor inhalation, etc.? thanks

Acetone is nail polish remover ... relatively safe, ask your mom.

[MattGreen]

Acetone vapour, like many other solvents, is an eye and respiratory tract (nose, throat, etc.) irritant and at higher concentrations can cause headaches. There is no strong evidence for acetone being a carcinogen. There is some limited evidence of adverse reproductive system effects in women.

Liquid acetone is not particularly easily absorbed through intact skin, but can cause skin irritiation (known as dermatitis).

Althogh acetone smells like ass, is it quite a bit less toxic than some other solvents such as toluene - this is an example of why you can't use the "nastiness" of an odour as an indicator of the health hazard of a chemical. Acetone is HIGHLY flammable and has a high vapour pressure which means it easily gives off flammable vapours even at room temperature.

As Mk75H mentioned, it is commonly used in nailpolish removers (although ethyl acetate is often used as well because it doesn't smell so bad).

Matt

[AirRide]

Acetone is nail polish remover ... relatively safe, ask your mom.I would if I could...but I can't.:(

[David - WI]

Toluene (along with Xylene) is already a major component in gasoline.

Adding more raises the octane rating of the fuel, but usually it costs more to get enough Toluene in there than it would have cost to just buy better fuel. :o

[Markus]

Toluene (along with Xylene) is already a major component in gasoline.


Yes. Especially in summer blends. Winter blends use more butene, as it gives off more vapors.



Adding more raises the octane rating of the fuel, but usually it costs more to get enough Toluene in there than it would have cost to just buy better fuel. :o

In some countries where fuel taxes are high, toluene can be bought in bulk and is not subject to fuel tax. That makes it attractive.

[moparbarn]

Kerosene (jet fuel) is just the solvent for the additives that you add to your gas. If anything in there makes a difference to how your car drives, it is those additives, not the kerosene.

Putting "made using jet fuel" on the bottle is just a trick to fool the average STP customer, just like those "octane points" on their octane booster that turn out to add a fraction of an octane to a tank of fuel.

If you are after kerosene, the market price for a gallon of jet fuel is about $2. That is enough for 16 of those $2 bottles of STP fuel treatment (if I am on top of my US units).
whether it's the additives, detergents, or 'jet fuel', my carbed vehicles run better for 3 to 4 weeks after using stp gas treatment. i use 3 tanks a week, average. usually run down pretty close to empty. so there seems to be a residual effect long after the additives are out of the system. like i said, only on my carbed vehicles, no difference noted on the later efi cars i own.