any body see this

[PARKER RABE]

wow................

[mickeyjr]

I saw it, looks awesome! Silverwing??

[PARKER RABE]

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[STV_Keith]

Yeah, John's Silverwing is stunning. Capped, super clean boat.

Parker, I think you and Tim would get along REAL well. :) He's a crazy SOB too!

[Stoker1]

I was going to say the same thing... isn't this John from the boards? (forgot his user name but he builds racing engines for F1 ?)

[cc@100mph]

hey what is that monster it looks like an stv on steroids?

[STV_Keith]

Stoker1, no, not John Marles (US1) although he does have one too...another John out here on the West coast. I believe he lives in Havasu now. That pic was in Havasu a few weeks ago. Beautiful boat.

cc, it's called a Silverwing.

[Action Dave]

Man, I gotta get me one of those. How big is that boat?

[STV_Keith]

21 foot

[mr fun]

that design was originally built for an I/O setup for the parker 9 hour. a "super cool" dude named Jim Wilks, somewhere in so cal near LA has the molds, he owns "Wilks Marine" and is a regular column writer and tester for Hot Boat Magizine. one day i hope to meet him. fun out :cool:

[WestCoastBoat]

Joe "motion" from here on this board did the Silverwing. Everything he touches is absolute top shelf. Great guy too.

[JaguarV12]

Next time someone talks to wilks figure out who he bought those molds off of because your all wrong.

[mr fun]

Next time someone talks to wilks figure out who he bought those molds off of because your all wrong.
i've been told there is no such thing as a jag v12, lots of 10's and 11's running around, but no 12's! so where did these molds come from? fun out :confused:

[Racemore]

i've been told there is no such thing as a jag v12, lots of 10's and 11's running around, but no 12's! so where did these molds come from? fun out :confused:

looks like a Seebold.:cool:

[Lance Woodke]

I saw that boat at Havasu while attending the Desert Storm Poker Run last month. It wasn't in the run but was running slowly through washing machine water conditions probably looking for calmer water. Very unique.

[RIVERRUMMER 70]

I BELIEVE I READ SOMEPLACE "WILKES MARINE" THE "V-DRIVE KING" HAS BUILT AND WILL BUILD " LIMITED NUMBERS" ONLY FOR VERY "SEASONED TUNNEL BOAT PILOTS!!!" I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT MAG -POWERBOAT OR HOTBOAT, WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ????
IT WOULD BE A GREAT MATCHUP TO DO A TEST WITH THE LIBERATOR 21'
HEAD TO HEAD ?????????????
WILDMAN VS WILKES, TWIN DRAG MOTORS ON EACH BOAT OR AT LEAST TWIN 280'S.
ALSO THE ARTICLE SAID THE BOAT COMES FROM SEABOLD DNA, F-1 TUNNEL?:eek:

[Racemore]

I BELIEVE I READ SOMEPLACE "WILKES MARINE" THE "V-DRIVE KING" HAS BUILT AND WILL BUILD " LIMITED NUMBERS" ONLY FOR VERY "SEASONED TUNNEL BOAT PILOTS!!!" I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT MAG -POWERBOAT OR HOTBOAT, WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ????
IT WOULD BE A GREAT MATCHUP TO DO A TEST WITH THE LIBERATOR 21'
HEAD TO HEAD ?????????????
WILDMAN VS WILKES, TWIN DRAG MOTORS ON EACH BOAT OR AT LEAST TWIN 280'S.
ALSO THE ARTICLE SAID THE BOAT COMES FROM SEABOLD DNA, F-1 TUNNEL?:eek:

I thought it was a Seebold Warrior pop mod.Wilkes had a Silverwing with and outdrive and a badass motor that set big #'s and was featured in Hotboat but that was in the early-mid 90's.I think Howard Arneson had one with a tubine also with a speedmaster.It was featured with his turbine Scarab and Twin turbine 32 Skater The Skater had to remote control trolling motors on the k-planes to get him to open water.I think I still have that issue in my container full of boat shop junk.I'll look.

[tfitschen]

The boat was done by the FITSCHENS and the LEMBKES shop in orange, Ca. called SPEED & MARINE ASSOCIATES way back in the late 80's. They can still be built, the molds are still in great shape, by WILKES MARINE, in Santa Ana, Ca. They also raced one of these hulls, as a single seat race version, after winning the 1985 Parker Enduro with a Jaguar V-12 and a Mercruiser Super Speedmaster short #2 outdrive powered SEEBOLD .

SPEED & MARINE, also built the molds, and produced a few boats that were the SILVERWING 2027 and SILVERWING 2034 (the one in other posts that belonged to the Herbst family) that HALLETT BOATS now has.

[euro scott]

i checked their website and theres no mention of hulls
http://www.wilkesmarine.com/aboutus.asp

[us1]

They were originally a Seebold ET race boat Wilks modified the mold for recreational use. Awesome boat, smoken fast and turns like an F1 at WOT.

[mr fun]

so mr jag v12, i was right. they were called ET tunnels. marathon racers, "endurance tunnels". Ron Jones was king, Bob Nordsgog had the first one i remember. wiped up the Parker 9 hr, nothin could hang. i remember the video of mr Marles years ago, then along came Wildman, only thing John said after all the big trip dig #s talk was, "i'd like to run him" my money says silverwing is a superior design to the old ELIMONATOR , that was more a adolecent daytona design than a performance first comfort later serious flying macheen. :D deet de de :cool: fun out

[PARKER RABE]

I Want To See Somemore Pics Of These

[WOT RACING]

That boat is just badazz... Why wouldnt they make more of them?

[PARKER RABE]

IM THINKING ABOUT ORDERING ONE , WITH TRIPPLE S3000'S ON IT , GONNA SET IT UP LIKE THE RON JONES :eek:

[Racemore]

Is that yo dad there Shady?Thats so cool.:cool:

[PARKER RABE]

yep the good old days

[Racemore]

Looks to me like he had to build the big boats with the 6 pack of Mercs to hold all the azz. Racing them was secondary.LOL.You had a good time with that growing up I'm sure.:D

[mr fun]

I Want To See Somemore Pics Of These

please! :D he showed this before Randy had the old flamer, w/120+ license plate, John said,,, i'd like to run him. you don't see many of these used. there was one named "purple haze" w/small block and mercruser. dig out the vid John, please? fun out ;)

[PARKER RABE]

.................

[us1]

yep the good old days

Great pictures, I love it.
The video of the my Silverwing is still here on Scream and Fly somewhere. I'll go look for it.

[us1]

I found the link to the Silverwing video. I hope thgis works.

http://www.screamandfly.com/home/videos/john_marles/John%20Marles%20Silverwing.avi

[euro scott]

anybody have any details on that hull ?weight and interior pics and how it might run with a single 280

[Racemore]

Shady.Is that yo mama wit tha dark hair.Looks like she carrying sompin in that belly.:D

[Racemore]

This is the one I like.If I'd been around she look like the other one with the outty.:D :D I put a little makeup on her.;)

[tfitschen]

the silverwing molds tunnel molds were never modified by wilkes, they were totally done by speed & marine assoc. in orange, ca. wilkes used the molds just the way they were from speed & marine, except for a few minor changes to some wood patterns, we still have the molds, here in orange,ca.

[RIVERRUMMER 70]

I found the link to the Silverwing video. I hope thgis works.

http://www.screamandfly.com/home/videos/john_marles/John%20Marles%20Silverwing.avi

21' LIBERATOR GOT NOTHING FOR THAT BOAT! I CANT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM ? :rolleyes:
WE NEED A SHOOTOUT HERE, SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP TO THE WILDMAN WITH ONE OF THESE AND THROWDOWN !!!!
TWIN S3000 WITH THE WORKS PLEASE AND A SIDE ORDER OF N2O!
140 MPH !!!!!!
WHO THE F WOULD DRIVE ONE THAT FAST?:D

[us1]

21' LIBERATOR GOT NOTHING FOR THAT BOAT! I CANT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM ? :rolleyes:
WE NEED A SHOOTOUT HERE, SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP TO THE WILDMAN WITH ONE OF THESE AND THROWDOWN !!!!
TWIN S3000 WITH THE WORKS PLEASE AND A SIDE ORDER OF N2O!
140 MPH !!!!!!
WHO THE F WOULD DRIVE ONE THAT FAST?:D

You forgot the #4 Speedmasters. I have a set of those and adapter plates of it too.

[Racemore]

the silverwing molds tunnel molds were never modified by wiles, they were totally done by speed & marine assoc. in orange, ca. wilkes used the molds just the way they were from speed & marine, except for a few minor changes to some wood patterns, we still have the molds, here in orange,ca.

Will you build a boat? Sell the molds?

[us1]

I Want To See Somemore Pics Of These

Here are a couple pictures of mine. I don't have any good digital pictures, sorry.

[us1]

And another one.

[euro scott]

so whats the story on these?
is somebody building them,how much,what weight and interior pics ??
anxciously awaiting !!

[us1]

so whats the story on these?
is somebody building them,how much,what weight and interior pics ??
anxciously awaiting !!

I don't have any inside pictures and the boat is still all covered for winter. Last time I talked to Wilks he said he will build one for a pro tunnel boat driver or someone who can prove their tunnel experience. Its not the speed, he is concerned about its F1 turning abilities and someone getting hurt. Thats why he stopped building them in the late 90s.

[mr fun]

I don't have any inside pictures and the boat is still all covered for winter. Last time I talked to Wilks he said he will build one for a pro tunnel boat driver or someone who can prove their tunnel experience. Its not the speed, he is concerned about its F1 turning abilities and someone getting hurt. Thats why he stopped building them in the late 90s.

without a question this piece of equment in the wrong hands could prove fatal. Mr. Wilkes choses over gain, the confidiance of the abilities of his coustomers. VERY noble. fun out.

[us1]

without a question this piece of equment in the wrong hands could prove fatal. Mr. Wilkes choses over gain, the confidiance of the abilities of his coustomers. VERY noble. fun out.

Either nobility or law suits. Both good motivation.:D

[fyremanbil]

Those true tunnels are much more difficult to drive fast than the Mod-VP style bottoms. Had a good friend and very experienced racer killed in testing (before capsules) when he moved up to a tunnel.
BTW, I had the pleasure of seeing a few of these run in parker in the 80's. And Lembke's with the Jag V-12 was the only inboard to win the Parker Enduro in about the last 2 decades.

[us1]

Those true tunnels are much more difficult to drive fast than the Mod-VP style bottoms. Had a good friend and very experienced racer killed in testing (before capsules) when he moved up to a tunnel.
BTW, I had the pleasure of seeing a few of these run in parker in the 80's. And Lembke's with the Jag V-12 was the only inboard to win the Parker Enduro in about the last 2 decades.

Hey Bill, are you going to run the enduro this year?

[fyremanbil]

Yea, will try again...3rd time's the charm. May need to talk to you about some port work. Due to the rule change, everyone's building 2L engines.

[150aintenuff]

so john are you saying that wilks wont build one unless you can prove you can go fast and turn left without beig ejected.... :D:p

[euro scott]

so is this boat only good for a single purpose of racing and has characteristics that would render it undesireable for pleasure boating with an occasional hammer down for a brief period ? with the weight and the length i would think that if you put a single 280 on it, would be much more stable and with a drivers ability and judgement to handle a true tunnel would be a fun and safe ride..

[tunnelmike]

Buy his Talon 22. I rode in it in Palatka last year when I wouldn't take the Mirage off the trailer !! Big chop , no problem ! Over 100 with 4 adults , full fuel and gear for 4. Serious acceleration. Thats comperable to the Silverwing. Mike's .02$

[us1]

so john are you saying that wilks wont build one unless you can prove you can go fast and turn left without beig ejected.... :D:p

Well, thats what he told me a couple of years ago.

[us1]

so is this boat only good for a single purpose of racing and has characteristics that would render it undesireable for pleasure boating with an occasional hammer down for a brief period ? with the weight and the length i would think that if you put a single 280 on it, would be much more stable and with a drivers ability and judgement to handle a true tunnel would be a fun and safe ride..

Its the best family boat I have ever owned. Runs right over big chop at 100 plus. Easy to drive too. It's just it's ability to turn that Wilks is worried about. It doesn't do anything funny unless you crank the steering wheel hard to the left at 100 MPH, then it turns no questions asked. You loose you ice chest and family but it turns.

[mr fun]

It doesn't do anything funny unless you crank the steering wheel hard to the left at 100 MPH, then it turns no questions asked. You loose you ice chest and family but it turns.[/QUOTE] :D :D :D

or a 300x, kinda tame but,,, "EXCITABLE" ;) fun out :cool:

[mr fun]

Either nobility or law suits. Both good motivation.:D

you know as well as I, a good attorney can do majic. (OJ ????????????) :rolleyes:

[us1]

you know as well as I, a good attorney can do majic. (OJ ????????????) :rolleyes:

You are right but it didn't help Paris Hilton Hahaha:D

[Racemore]

You are right but it didn't help Paris Hilton Hahaha:D

But she did get the moneymoon suite.:D

[us1]

Thats true:D

[PARKER RABE]

this boats gotta have twins on it , i think it would suck with a single . the twins are what makes it so cool.

[mr fun]

You are right but it didn't help Paris Hilton Hahaha:D

and 3 days in the hooskow, 27 days in house arrest, n probation. yea, your right. :rolleyes: ;) :confused: :p

[Racemore]

Yea Fun,You know that Judge has sock full somewhere.Theres going to be alot of eyes looking after that move.It would be great to see him caught if theres a bribe.You know our butts would be in a sling on that charge.:cool:

[Mark75H]

Not the judge ... the judge said she must serve real time ... it is the Sherrif that sent her home. The judge is calling her and the Sherrif into court tomorrow to explain ... he's pissed!

[Racemore]

Your right Mark.The Sheriff has some explaining to do.He's been in it deeper than he should have I bet.:rolleyes: :D

[Mark75H]

I bet it was a legal manoeuver like this ... her lawyer comes up with a doctor's note that says she has some minor condition that is on a list of minor conditions that requires the Sherrif to send her on home detention ... the one the judge should be going after is the lawyer who the judge probably directly asked in court if such a condition existed and the lawyer said no. Now the lawyer is going to say he didn't know .... the judge should hold the lawyer in contempt of court and throw his butt in jail too ... but not with Paris ... instead with Bubba

[Racemore]

Your probably real close.This will be interesting because EVERYBODY knows it just isn't right and sends a terrible message to the public.It happens all the time but not pubicly.

[Mark75H]

I think you are right. The solution is at the judge's disposal ... he can throw the lawyer in jail for contempt anyway ... it might not stop him from trying it on another judge ... but it won't happen again in that judge's court. The judge can even throw the doc in jail for contempt if he thinks it's fishy

I can't wait to hear how this comes out

[euro scott]

this thread sure went south fast!!!! i tried 3 days , too talk to the builder of these boats and got crap all day and the next and the next,,, you know what ! screw this boat and builder !! i really thought hard and long about building one of these, as they looked like a good crossover boat from lakes and rivers to the intercoastal and rarely gulf by where i live, and sell my euro as several people keep pming me about it. even though i never said it was for sale>>>>but i thought this would be a suitable replacement for the stv, I THINK NOT ":", my stv is soon to be a classic and rare custom build and yes,she's too damn fast, but oh-well, i'll keep it, and yes i got something new working today..
so i think that this thread turniong into a Paris discussion is a waste of a good thread
but im out
sea ya

[150aintenuff]

classic and rare... doubtfull... even if triad stops building them there will be others...

[Racemore]

Sorry Scott.Your right.That hoe is skanking up everywhere.The boat is cool and the guy that posted they had the molds didn't respond to me either.Sorry.;)

[THE HOGG]

classic and rare... doubtfull... even if triad stops building them there will be others...

WAKE UP CHUMP!!!!!!!!!! THEY ALREADY QUIT BUILDING THEM. THAT SUCKS SCOTT, LOOKS LIKE A REAL COOL BOAT.. AND AS FOR HILTON, F THE HO!!!!!!!:D

[Wile E. Coyote]

HOLLY HIGHJACK BATMAN !!! Rich Martin 018:eek:

[RIVERRUMMER 70]

so john are you saying that wilks wont build one unless you can prove you can go fast and turn left without beig ejected.... :D:p

I READ IN HOT BOAT THAT WILKES WAS VERY CAREFULL ABOUT WHO HE BUILDS ONE FOR AND THAT HE WANTED TO BE SURE THEY WERE ABOVE ALL
SAFE TO RUN ONE WITH TWINS. NOT JUST SOME NUT WITH CASH AND NO HIGH PERF EXPERIENCE.:D

[euro scott]

Well, I Never Even Got That Far As To Qualifying My Expierience To Tunnel Boat Driving Skills, First I Got Left On Hold For 20 Minutes When I Gave Up And Hung Up, Then After Numerous Calls And No Return Calls, Said He Was To Busy Eating Lunch, Dinner, Test Ride And A Couple More Excuses,when All I Wanted To Know First Off Was How Much It Weighed And Send Me Some Interior Pics, And To Find Some Minor Details ,like Price, Est Time,options,, Like I Said, Minor Stuff !if I Treated My Customers Like That I Never Would Sell Any Copiers, But I Guess Thats Just Me!
As Far As My Expierience, Well I Think If I Can Some Of The Boats I Built And Have Owned Over The Last 25 Years, I Think I Can Handle His.. My Little 33 True Cat With 1600 Hp Is A Bit More Of A Handfull I Think Than A 20ft Tunnel !

[RNM018]

Scott , If this guy is to buisy to ansewer the phone , then he's oviously to buisy to build a boat ! If you realy want a twentyish foot twin ,just call Randy . He's still got the Flamer for sale ,or would be happy to rig you one to suit your needs . Rich Martin 018:cool:

[euro scott]

Rich, I Thought About That, just checked out randy's web site, i know what his 18 run like as i've ran with them but not the 21's,looks interesting ,I Liked The Freeboard That the silverwing has As I Wanted Something To Cross Over To Run It Where I Live On The Intercoastal And Gulf As Well As Lakes And Rivers, Hell ,i Cant Even Get That Question Answered, So As Far As The Rest,who The Hell Knows ! Just Think That As Business Person, If Your Dont Want Too, Or Too Busy, Just Freakin Say So, Dont String People Along Or Tell Them You'll Get Back With Them And Then Never Call.. Im Just Passing Along What I Learned About The Builder And His Customer Relations, Do With It You'all As You Want

[Racemore]

I'm not going to knock the 21 because I like 21 Eliminators and Liberators but I'll bet that the Silverwing will cross Lake George in a 30 kt wind better than the others.The true tunnel kicks butt.My 19 Sterling tunnel rode on top where a modvp CAN'T go.Just like offshore racing.
I hope they get back to you Scott.

[us1]

Not much slows it down until you get to ocean swells. They are too far apart for a 20 foot full tunnel. In lakes and rivers it take the big stuff wide open.

[Racemore]

Not much slows it down until you get to ocean swells. They are too far apart for a 20 foot full tunnel. In lakes and rivers it take the big stuff wide open.

Thats what I'm sayin John.My Sterling is a 19 Daytona with no center pod basicly.I out ran a 21 Daytona bad in a 3'slop with a smooth ride.Untill somebody that has never be in both rides it they can't get close to understanding.It was real easy to run though water I couldn't stop in or it would sink in 3 waves.Times I got trapped into running close to full throttle to keep from stuffing.I know that Silverwing would be the ticket if you run big water.Mt t3 locked the steering linkage in the webbing of the clamp bracket when I backed off making a turn in a little creek and sent me into a tree.It tore the bottom of my port sponson off below the cap and cracked the edge of the bow all the way to the center.I drove it across some rough stuff to get to the ramp and it never got wet.I think Rocket Ron got pics from his baja.I lovem.

[us1]

Thats what I'm sayin John.My Sterling is a 19 Daytona with no center pod basicly.I out ran a 21 Daytona bad in a 3'slop with a smooth ride.Untill somebody that has never be in both rides it they can't get close to understanding.It was real easy to run though water I couldn't stop in or it would sink in 3 waves.Times I got trapped into running close to full throttle to keep from stuffing.I know that Silverwing would be the ticket if you run big water.Mt t3 locked the steering linkage in the webbing of the clamp bracket when I backed off making a turn in a little creek and sent me into a tree.It tore the bottom of my port sponson off below the cap and cracked the edge of the bow all the way to the center.I drove it across some rough stuff to get to the ramp and it never got wet.I think Rocket Ron got pics from his baja.I lovem.

I can totally relate to all that. I have a Sterling too but it's a 16 foot full tunnel by another builder. Its the same as the boat in this picture.

[mr fun]

he knows the guy. Nokomis isn't quite on par with LA. on frantic cash flow demands. get on his calender, go meet him, i'll tag along just to meet him. jax la nonstop, i would like to see a pic of one w/jag/mercruser. fun out

[us1]

he knows the guy. Nokomis isn't quite on par with LA. on frantic cash flow demands. get on his calender, go meet him, i'll tag along just to meet him. jax la nonstop, i would like to see a pic of one w/jag/mercruser. fun out

Greg Foster drove the Jag V12 at the Parker Enduro. I was talking to him about it. He said he would go into the turn wide open at 135 MPH. It would pull so many Gs he said he was sure the motor was going rip right out of the boat. He was serious. I dont think Wilks is interested in building any Silverwings. Something happened to really scar him about the liability. I do agree he should just say so if thats the case. He is a nice guy.

[Dd24skater]

Greg Foster drove the Jag V12 at the Parker Enduro. I was talking to him about it. He said he would go into the turn wide open at 135 MPH. It would pull so many Gs he said he was sure the motor was going rip right out of the boat. He was serious. I dont think Wilks is interested in building any Silverwings. Something happened to really scar him about the liability. I do agree he should just say so if thats the case. He is a nice guy.


Did anyone just ask if he is interested in building any?

[rollin]

once again stupid people and lawyers screw it up for everybody. the silverwing is bad a**.I would buy one just to scare the marine patrol...

[us1]

once again stupid people and lawyers screw it up for everybody. the silverwing is bad a**.I would buy one just to scare the marine patrol...

Thats funny:D Sometimes when, I get to the lake, the patrol asks me at the launch ramp "What are you going to do with that thing here" Most of the lakes at 35 MPH here.:rolleyes:

[H2oSki2Fast]

Greg Foster drove the Jag V12 at the Parker Enduro. I was talking to him about it. He said he would go into the turn wide open at 135 MPH. It would pull so many Gs he said he was sure the motor was going rip right out of the boat. He was serious. I dont think Wilks is interested in building any Silverwings. Something happened to really scar him about the liability. I do agree he should just say so if thats the case. He is a nice guy.

I see Wilkes all the time. I go to lunch with him about every other week. I was sitting in his office when someone called asking about one of these boats. He is all about saftey. Everynow and then he will call me up and ask me to help him test a boat. If it's a go fast rig, he'll make sure everyone involved has a proper saftey gear on or no testing. Wilkes would entertain building one of these rockets, but it would only be on his terms, to someone who has experience and askes the correct questions when interested. Coming in with an attitude and stating your driving credibilty won't get you anywhere.

A realistic time frame, I figure, would be around 12-18 months to complete. These are not "cookie cutter" boats, everyone is rigged one-off. I would conservativly say that one of these boats rigged with a 280 would run mid to upper 80's. They are not layed up like a STV, but much heavier. You can actually walk on the sponsons with no worries about damaging them (not a dig at STV's).

The boat at the beginning of this thread was built by Speed & Marine. It originally had twin 200s on it, then was rerigged by DCB, and then rerigged again to a single 200. It was for sale for quite a while in San Diego. Someone in Havasu bought it, then it was bought by John (as Keith said). John rerigged the boat once again with the twins it has on it now.

[PARKER RABE]

john , mabye you can take some new video of this boat , and post it !!!:) :) or some better pictures!:)

[Little Jon]

parker, can you imagine doing some wheelies in this thing?

[THE HOGG]

FORGET THE WHEELIES, IM THINKIN TWIN SIMON MOTORS ON ONE!!:eek:

[PARKER RABE]

no $hit , twin simons with little jon in a tube behind us !

[Little Jon]

LOL!!!! That would be sick with a waterproof video camera on my helmut :) haha.

[JaguarV12]

Does anyone know where this boat is? I know someone who is extremely interested in purchasing it. One of the guys who built it. Any help would be appreciated.

[STV_Keith]

It's in Havasu.

[TD]

If it takes more than one motor to go fast it's useless to me.:cool: