OK, thought it was a CLE, now ????

[Alan Power]

I was just looking through some LU's on the board and noticed that the CLE that came on the bridgeport I got doesnt look like any others on here I've seen.

I thought it was a CLE, it has a narrow water cover not thick like the sportmaster, it has a wide cavitation plate, two water pickup holes, a removable nose cone and no place to put a trim tab anode.

Anyone have any idea what case this is? Thanks

I dont have any pics of it at the moment, I'll take some tomorrow and there's some numbers stamped on the side too that I'll post when I get them.
Heres a pic of the whole motor, not a good view but it may help someone.

[Little Jon]

painted sportmaster?

[myron]

looks like a 2 hole CLE to me

[Little Jon]

skeg looks too beefy

[Alan Power]

looks like a 2 hole CLE to me

Thats what I thought but whats with the removable nose piece, or is that on all CLE's?

[Alan Power]

skeg looks too beefy

Thought that too, skeg is very long, but seriously dont think it's a sporty.

Thanks,
Alan

[1BadAction]

whats with the removable nose piece,

how did you find that out? :confused:

[Little Jon]

might be a torque master

[Alan Power]

how did you find that out? :confused:

The tip, about inch and a half/two inches, is a seperate piece, it looks like it's removable, I didn't try:rolleyes: It is definitely not the same casting as the gearcase.

Looks similar to a speedmaster.

Little john, not a torquemaster, they look totally dif, stock location water pickups on the TM(a little lower though) and no nosecone.

Alan

[1BadAction]

coned cle?

[Alan Power]

Oh yeah, and there's a blow out ring cast into the case too if that helps.

Ohhh, I was just happy when I thought it was a 2 hole CLE, now what the hell is it, damn you S&F:p

[RNM018]

ALAN , Looks like you've won the gearcase loto . That apears to be a sportmaster . CLE is shorter ,and look at the back above the carrier . Go to the gear cases for sale and compair what you have . Better pics would also help . Rich Martin 018:eek:

[Little Jon]

If im not mistaken i thought there was some motors with a nosecone that was a torque master

this has a torquemaster

[wing nut]

does the skeg have any welding? thats a GIANT skeg.. CLE with a welded/modifed skeg maybe??

scott

[RNM018]

Jim , the CLE's Ive got with cones added all have external water lines . I'm pretty sure it's a sportmaster . Rich Martin 018:cool:

[Alan Power]

If im not mistaken i thought there was some motors with a nosecone that was a torque master

this has a torquemaster

You're probably right, sorry if I came accros very certain, what I know about merc hi-perf you could write on the back of a postage stamp:rolleyes: there are only about 6 merc racing engines in this country and I know where each one is, 4 of them have ssm boxes on them, so I'm not all that familiar with the various cases.

[Little Jon]

its one of the two masters excluding the speed master

thats alright im on the computer all the time so ive seen some bfore lol

[wing nut]

i take back the cle guess and switch to sportmaster. i guess i shoulda looked at it longer b4 opening my mouth haha.

[1BadAction]

Jim , the CLE's Ive got with cones added all have external water lines . I'm pretty sure it's a sportmaster . Rich Martin 018:cool:

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/images/icons/icon3.gif if the nose was cut off it doesnt need to have external lines. the skeg is too big to be a sporty, and the nose/back of case are the wrong profile.

:confused:

[1BadAction]

plus theres no place for teh sacrificial anode on top of the cav plate.

[Airboater]

Heres a sporty

[RNM018]

Alan , Look at the case above the carrier from behind , then go look at the pic of Helmet on the 2006 year in reveiw thread in general boating . If the case above the carrier is thick going up to the cavitation plate , it's a sporty . If not it's junk and I'll take it . Rich Martin 018:rolleyes:

[Little Jon]

look under the propshaft, can you see where the gear lube hasto go? because thats all i know where the whatchamacall it is lol

[Propster]

Small cover (over water pump 4 bolt), no external anode, 2 hole pickup. I would say that it is an early 2 hole CLE. Used on 1990-1992 2.5 hipo motors. Sportmasters have a large side cover (6 bolt), 4 hole pickup and an anode towards the rear of the cavitation plate. I had very good luck with my 2 hole CLE's. From what I understand, they use most of the same heavy duty components as the sportmaster, such as the heavy duty gears, carrier and propshaft. You can run em real high with the 2 hole pickup.

Here is the parts page for the 2 hole CLE
http://www.mercruiserparts.com/Show_pictures3.asp?dnbr=811499%2091&ivar=IMAGES/HIPERF/811499.91/31.png&inbr=1509&bnbr=17&bdesc=GEAR+HOUSING+%28DRIVE+SHAFT%29RHR+2%2DHOLE+WATER+PICKUP

The lack of an anode really gives it away, here is a sportmaster gearcase
http://www.mercruiserparts.com/Show_Pictures3.asp?dnbr=811505%2096&ivar=images/HIPERF/811505.96/21.png&inbr=1941&bnbr=23&bdesc=GEAR+HOUSING+%28DRIVESHAFT%29%28STANDARD+ROTATION%29+%28SPORTMASTER%29

[Alan Power]

Alan , Look at the case above the carrier from behind , then go look at the pic of Helmet on the 2006 year in reveiw thread in general boating . If the case above the carrier is thick going up to the cavitation plate , it's a sporty . If not it's junk and I'll take it . Rich Martin 018:rolleyes:

No, it's not thick like that up to the plate, it does have the narrow trailing edge though and it has the narrow water transfer cover like the CLE where the sporty has a wide transfer cover. Also there's no anodes in the sides above the cav plate or trim tab type under the plate.

I agree with Jim, the skeg is HUGE, I had a look the first day to see if it was welded but couldn't see any signs that it was, also the add on piece on the nose could be a nose cone chop without going into the water passage but the profilie of the case doesnt seem to change anywhere so what would that have achieved?

Here's a pic of the LU in question, a sporty and a 2 hole cle from the LU's for sale section.

RNM, so if it's not a sporty is it junk?:o

[Little Jon]

the far right is a cle

[RNM018]

OK Alan , I see better now . But I'll still take it ! Rich Martin 018:rolleyes:

[lokinutz]

Its a CLE. Mine has a skeg that big. As said before, 4 hole cleanout only came on CLEs, not on sportmasters.

[Alan Power]

Wow, so how many different styles of CLEs were there?

This came on a BP efi horn motor, that again I know nothing about:p , except it needs a sleeve in #3 !

Theres a date stamped on the block, 11-10-95, so if it is a 95' and this is a CLE, anyone have any ideas about the mid section, it's not an offshore exh. type, it's straight, there's a part no. on the clamp A199963, it has a one piece adapter if that makes a difference.

Thanks for all this;)

Alan

[M.CHAPMAN]

Alan,
The area in the front on the cone is not removable. If you ever remove the paint on 2 hole and 4 hole cle cases you will see a difference in material. It was done in the casting process. It will break off clean on that line if it is drop at the right angle.(done it) This case is definitely a 2 hole CLE.

[peedeerooster]

I had a 1990 2.4 bridgeport with a CLE. Looks just like it and it had 2 holes and the big skeg.

[chris_lacey]

It is definately a 2 hole CLE. I've had one just like it with the giant skeg. I bought it new and umolested.

[1BadAction]

Alan,
The area in the front on the cone is not removable. If you ever remove the paint on 2 hole and 4 hole cle cases you will see a difference in material.

thats what I was thinking. didnt they build a nosecone on a regular case then make a casting off of that? I dont know, the first CLEs came out when I was about 4 years old :o

[transomstand]

thats what I was thinking. didnt they build a nosecone on a regular case then make a casting off of that? I dont know, the first CLEs came out when I was about 4 years old :o

Ya just can't trust these little kids to ID parts for ya:p Old guys know it's a 2 hole CLE.:D

Pete

[vnemous]

Little grainy but here is a pic of my 2 hole cle with the paint remoed. Very faint line for nose cone. Very hard to see when looking at it.

[vnemous]

sorry here is pic

[Alan Power]

OK, thanks guys, happy now that that is all cleared up, thought it was a CLE before just the nose piece and trim tab through me off:rolleyes: I also have a little confession to make, it does have a place for the trim tab anode but it has a blanking plate in there instead and it's been painted over, I only rubbed under with my hand before today and didn't take a look under so sorry about that:o :rolleyes:

I did snap a few pics with the phone today of the nose piece, maybe someone accidentally knocked it off and somehow had it put back in place:confused: Here's some pics anyway, tell me what you think, it is most definitely not physicaly part of the LU, it IS an add on!

Thanks again,

Alan

[vnemous]

Make sure the rubber gaskets on the upper inspection plates are good or you'll just suck air and get no water to the water pump. I sealed mine with RTV Silicone.

[Cp]

......this has a torquemaster

No, I'm afraid not. You can get it with a TM, but that is a SM.

[Propster]

it does have a place for the trim tab anode but it has a blanking plate in there instead and it's been painted over Alan

The blanking plate without the little trim tab is standard on CLE's. Since CLE's are run so high, the trim tab is not in the water much anyway. The plate is a zinc anode and must not have any paint on it to protect the expensive parts.

[THE HOGG]

Whats The Part Number On It?????????????

[1BadAction]

Ya just can't trust these little kids to ID parts for ya:p Old guys know it's a 2 hole CLE.:D

Pete

dont be hatin. :p im surprised an old fart such as yourself is still in a "fast" boat. hehehe :D

[pyro]

...the CLE that came on the bridgeport I got...

This should have been an indicator right from the get-go. It's not too likely that an old BP is going to have a Sportmaster on it unless somebody switched it, and nobody would leave out a detail like that! Also, who the hell would paint a Sporty black?

It's a 2-hole CLE with a lengthened bullet (yes, added on)
This makes the shape less crescent, and more pointy, like a Sportmaster.
at100plus has something similar for sale right now.

[mercpunk]

yo rich have you received a ticket for polution yet with your gearcases ??? :D juyst kiddin man hey hogg when you comin to visit

[stvhelm]

Wow, so how many different styles of CLEs were there?

This came on a BP efi horn motor, that again I know nothing about:p , except it needs a sleeve in #3 !

Theres a date stamped on the block, 11-10-95, so if it is a 95' and this is a CLE, anyone have any ideas about the mid section, it's not an offshore exh. type, it's straight, there's a part no. on the clamp A199963, it has a one piece adapter if that makes a difference.

Thanks for all this;)

Alan

unless that was a warrantee job i dont think there were any bridgeport 2.4's in 1995. check the date again and also see if the block has top and bottom locating pins for the cylinder head alignment. if it has the pins then its a 2.5 260
and thats a 2 hole cle for sure. they all have that seem on the nose cone. thats how the water passage is made.

[Little Jon]

No, I'm afraid not. You can get it with a TM, but that is a SM.


these have torquemasters thogh.... http://mercuryracing.com/products/enginecomparison/walleyeboat.php

[Little Jon]

loooking at our cle on the mirage, it doeslook kinda big, the skeg, so yeah most likely a 2 hole cle :) the the link above isprobably just the picture

[neveredge]

these have torquemasters thogh.... http://mercuryracing.com/products/enginecomparison/walleyeboat.php

That is just a mistake. They put the wrong picture on there. If you look you will see that it also says those motors are XLs which the ones pictured are not.

The TMs do not have the low water P/U's.