Anybody use a sleeve to save a harmonic balancer???

[Raceman]

I've got an original one on a BB Chevy that's leaking, in spite of a new seal. The balancer looks good to me, but I want to fix it for sure this time. I bought a stainless sleeve at the parts house, but it just falls on and I can spin it easily. This can't be right????????????? I don't think the timing gear could trap it enough to tighten it up, and it's such a pain in the ass to get off without pulling the engine, I dont want to have to re-do it yet again.

[Streamer]

I have used the repair sleeves before with good results, the sleeve should be a tight fit on the balancer. The sleeve should be pressed in to place.Sound like you got the wrong part.

[Fast Fred]

the sleeve should be a tight fit on the balancer.

thats the key right thare, i've done it, it works.
get a New one:cool:

[shooter1]

It should have like loctite on the balancer shaft to help hold it also.

Shooter1

[Fast Fred]

Raceman
I dont want to have to re-do it yet again.
Fast Fred
get a New one

[T-REX]

Hell, It'z a Cheberlay...what ya exspect???....Only a harley leekz mo earl den a cheberlay:D

it should be a nice tight fit...I have had them not fit reel tight, but beed blast tha balancer(that helps tighten it up) and use GREEN loctite...It'z ther fer tha duration!!!.....A lil peen'in will also help if'in it'z reel bad loose......Chances are if'in it's that loose, it ain't tha sleeve!!

Corse, U could borrow sum money from Jay, an go buy a new one:eek: ......Naw, that would be to practikle:p

[j_martin]

If'n it aint so loos it fallz off with graveyty, da gren chit will fil de gapes and seel it.

Sorry T-rex
John

[Rickracer]

I've used em probably at least 100 times. You may have posssibly gotten one that was misboxed? I'd try another one. If not, unless it falls off, the loctite should hold it once it cures. :cool:

[TheRickster]

I have used the sleeves but I really prefer to put a small shim behind the seal thus moving the seal out a little giving the lips a virgin sealing surface.. Some times a repair seal is offered which also does this.. I know it is offered for rear main seals as well as axle seals..

[Forkin' Crazy]

I've used em probably at least 100 times. You may have posssibly gotten one that was misboxed? I'd try another one.

I have to agree with that. Most I've put on were tight, I took a propane torch to heat it up just to expand it a bit, and it will fall on there w/o taking a chance with damaging it with a press. Should be a press fit.

[1BadAction]

fukk that fixing junk. put a new one on there, they go for like 400 bucks, tops. you know you'll be cussing that sleeve when it fails 2 or 3 years down the road.

[Forkin' Crazy]

fukk that fixing junk. put a new one on there, they go for like 400 bucks, tops. you know you'll be cussing that sleeve when it fails 2 or 3 years down the road.

Is that your experience? I guess if you didn't install it correctly. The one I put on my Camaro lasted well over 150K.

[1BadAction]

no, I just hate "fixing" something when the new part is cheap.

almost like when you send off a set of factory SBC heads to be CNC ported and bigger valves/roller rockers installed. say for 1000 bucks after shipping and the parts/labor. why do that when a brand new (most likely better) pair is only a couple hundred bucks more?

[j_martin]

Actually, a repair sleeve is harder than the original part. It's only a smooth surface for the seal wiper to ride on, doesn't even have to be particularly round to work well, just within a couple of thou. Sleeve retainer will seal it and hold it in place to about 400 degrees, which is about 5 minutes after the top half of the motor melted.

So why spend $400, and time when a repair can be made for a few bucks?
I can think of a few better uses for $400 if I try hard.

[Skatin]

Here are the sleeves that I have used and they work great...:D





http://www2.vsm.skf.com/usa_english/node920.aspx

[T-REX]

So why spend $400, and time when a repair can be made for a few bucks?
I can think of a few better uses for $400 if I try hard.



A-MEN BRUDDER!!!!!!!!


I just hate "fixing" something when the new part is cheap.


U bought a BB harmonik balancer lately????:eek: ...........U better check, I thank ya oil iz ready fer ya FF'z:D :D


Damm, Kin ya see Raceman spend'in $400......He wouldn't sleep fer a damm week:eek: :eek:

[The Big Al]

You can go to a bearing specialty house ( Bearings And Drives)
(Motion industries) These companies have a wide range of sleeves.
And have them by size, not application.
Wear sleeves are a great deal and do work. They have been in the industrial mechanical area for years and years.

get one that fits and use loctite on it. (loose will not work)

Now if you have a Harmonic Balancer that has that much wear you need to change it. I'm sure the rubber in it has seen better days. This staying all original is sometimes Bull****!

And they are priced well, you do not have to go to the dealer.
You can get a aftermarket original type unit.

AL

[riverrunner114]

Theres nothing wrong with the sleeves if they are the right one and should be tight.. have used them dozens of times.. but heres the good ones...but, allmost 400 bucks is right... but worth it..

http://www.fluidampr.com/CHEVROLET.htm

[Raceman]

Thanks for the reply's guys. It's not a money issue, although I have been trying to save a little to help T Rex pay for the badly needed face transplant.

Anyhow, it's THE original off my 67 BB Corvette, and the new one I got from GM had some subtle cosmetic differences and I sent it back. I tried this sleeve on several other balancers I have and it slips on all of em and spins, so it's gotta be the sleeve and not a worn balancer.

[T-REX]

I have been trying to save a little to help T Rex pay for the badly needed face transplant.


Man, I sho do appreciate it too!!!!!!!!!......it's gunna be a reel spencive deel, so juss go ahead and send tha money so I kin git tha ball roll'n:D ......It'z been a liftime feer fer me one day bein az UGLY az U, so pleeze, help a brutha out, git da money in da mail!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Oh, soundz like ya got a bad sleeve, go git anudder one an quit ya bich'n, or git Jay ta make ya one!!!....I bet a JSRE sleeve would add 50HP to dat ole slug BB cheberlay!!:eek: :p

[BarryStrawn]

The auto parts place is probably selling a repackaged Speedi-Sleeve. There may be another stock size that will work better.

http://www2.chicago-rawhide.com/speedi_sleeves.htm

http://www2.vsm.skf.com/Files/Brochures_in_PDF/457027.pdf

[The Big Al]

I have been trying to save a little to help T Rex pay for the badly needed face transplant.
.

Save some money and give yours to T-REX! ;)

Besides Raceman you don't use it!!!!:eek:

[BenKeith]

I've used numbers of them but have always "glued" them on. Most are so thin they will not hold up to being driven on. I've had many that will spin around on the surface they are going on. If they are not sealed with an epoxy or loctite used to hold them on, they will always let oil seep between the sleeve and the original surface. If it will fit in the seal, epoxy or loctite it in place and it will work great.

Me and another site member just had a discussion on this the other day. How the heck does that little thin piece of rubber seal, wear a big, wide, deep groove into a solid piece of steel that has been heat treated and tempered so it's suppose to be a hardened surface.

[j_martin]

Me and another site member just had a discussion on this the other day. How the heck does that little thin piece of rubber seal, wear a big, wide, deep groove into a solid piece of steel that has been heat treated and tempered so it's suppose to be a hardened surface

It holds sand and other grit against the hard steel surface. The grit doesn't move against the soft rubber, so it causes no further damage, but it slides for thousands, or millions of rounds against the steel.

Kinda like holding a whetstone in your hand and rubbing it on a knife. It doesn't hurt your finger, but it takes metal off a knife.

[T-REX]

Tha same wear happens to yo drive shaft in yo OB, below tha water pump...an ya thank water only git'z in a geercase from tha back!!!...NOTTTT

If it'z mechanikle, IT'Z GUNNA BREAK!!...If U thank U dun seen it all, U juss fool'in yaself....a car or OB or anythang wit a mota in it iz a continous leern'in curve.........So bukkle up boyz, an git ready fer tha ride...ya play, ya pay:(

So Raceman, soke dat front seel in brake fluid stick it back in ther...No mo den U drive da car, it will lass ferever!!!!!....U frigg'in cheepo!!!

[Forkin' Crazy]

T-Rex, you ain't right!!! LMAO!!!! :D:D:D

I put one on my Camaro w/o any sleeve retainer or anything. It wouldn't fit and I was scared to drive it on. I heated it up slightly with a propane torch, and test fitted it.... When it slid on, it cooled from contact with the balancer... and I couldn't get it back off. :eek: Lesson learned.... LOL!!! I put it back on the car, never leaked a drop, though! :cool:

[Raceman]

So if you heat it, do you use the green locktite too? Don't know if it's heat compatible.

[Forkin' Crazy]

I was planning on putting it on the balancer, but the sleeve got stuck on there before I was able. I didn't heat it much... doesn't take much as it is so thin. Learned the trick from a mechanic buddy of mine. He puts the locktite on the balancer.

[joed]

would it offend you if i copied your paint scheme some what i covered an model airplane years ago with the same yellow/blk/red and it always got good reviews. i just bought an older stv drag boat was just running some things thru the head here