C-5 Z-06 versus C-6 which is better

[Charlie M]

Anyone ever drove both enough to know? Looking for either a new Vette or a 02 to 24 Z-06

[10.5' Tunnel]

Go out and try em;)

[Charlie M]

Would love to but I doubt any dealership would set me loose in a C-5 Z-06 let alone a new Corvette. Too bad those new Z-06's are so expensive.

[The Big Al]

Your not gonna get a deal on any Z06.
If you do, better buy it.

C-5 VS C-6

C-5, dollar for dollar the best Corvette ever built.

I think the C-5 rides better. And it's more controllable.

I think most of this is from the longer wheel base of the C-5.

Trunk is bigger on the C-5.

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The C-6 has what I call the Alligator shoe syndrome, you love wearing them, you love people too notice you have them. But after a long day, you can't wait to get the SOB's off your feet.

C-6 is a very quiet car, even the converable (only type Vette I will own)
Is a quiet piece.

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The C-5 was frame and suspension was modified to handle the Z0-6 package.

The C-6 was built around that package.

ZO-6 option is only hard top.

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For Flat out speed, bust your back in the seat!

Nothing is close to the Z0-6 in the new C-6's

LS-7 engine is 427 cid. with a mean as hell 6 speed that needs 2 more!

If you look up baddest engine ever! That should be the one!

You cut the trackion control off and you can burn 450.00 dollars worth of tires of the back! And do it in a Hurry!

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=117975&stc=1&d=1162787354

[Charlie M]

I never bought a new car before, and really like the 2002 to 2004 Z-06's but for what they are asking for them it does not look like much more for a New Corvette (and for what the used C-6's are bringing thats a no brainer for a new car). I drove a base engine C-5 and I was not really impressed with it.

A new Z-06 is beyond my means by a long shot.

[1BadAction]

the c6 with the Z-51 package (not much extra $) is pretty much on the same level as a C5 zo6. although the LS2 in the c6 responds to mods a little better and has .3L on the ls1/6. Id say go for the c6.

[mr.clean]

When buying a car you consider three things
Resale
Resale
Resale
Z to the O to the motha F-in 6 :D

[The Big Al]

Their is no new Production cars or trucks in this world that are investments!
NONE!

Cars are not investments!

And resale today is never resale of tomorrow!

Case in point! What were SUV's worth 18 months ago!
Look at them now!

And yea you can buy a vehicle, stick it in a garage bring it out 20 years later and get some jack!

But if you would have invested that money in real property you would have done a lot better hands down.
In most cases bank interest alone you would have done better.

Al

Now their are those raw pieces that are NOT STANDARD PRODUCTION that will be.

Probably the only car today that will have value is the Hertz Shelby Mustang that you can only get from Hertz!
Now if it's a success, how many will they build next year?
Then your little plan goes to crap!

Production CARS are not or not investments!

[David]

Resale is not a question of making money, but of limiting your losses. For example, a Camry will retain a greater percentage of its cost than a Ford 500. So you better like the Ford or better get a deal, if that is your choice.

In my case, my used Miata cost more than my wife's used Focus, but when we're done with each the Miata resale will equalize the lifetime cost.

In the Vette case, the C5 Z06 might cost more than the C6, but if it depreciates slower, than maybe it makes sense to pay more for the C5. I don't know this. Perhaps Edmunds or some such site could predict resale values.

The obvious answer is to buy what you like and can afford.

[wheeliejones]

I personaly would buy a 01 or older Z06 with the 385hp motor due to pricing against the 02 401hp ZO6. You can pick the 2001 C5 Z06's here in cali with less the 50k miles for under $26,000. Spend the coupe grand on the procharger for it and with the stock exhaust and cats you will see over 570 RWHP. Killer suspension and a set of new HRE wheels. My math is showing less then $32K in a 570 RWHP car. I have driven and built a few of these cars for some friends. One of them have over 150,000 miles on the car and it still pulls like a beast. Get some high flow headers and cats, you will see over 600 RWHP. Best dollar to dollar in my book being the new C6 Z06 is over $75k. Just my 2 cents. Or you can buy my 2007 RS4 and kill the Z06 with 4 people in the car and you just went shopping at Sam's club.... :)

[tripledude2]

The C5 ZO6 typically ran 12.4-12.6 quarters. The standard C6 turns 12.8's. The earlier ZO6, as someone mentioned was hardtop only with limited options. I found my 02 ZO6 on ebay in Feb, 2005, and it's held it's value fairly well. I worried that it would plummet when the new ones came out but hasn't happened yet. It's a nice car and the only real complaints I've had is the seats when on a long drive. They lack "bottom." The "skipshift" is a pain but can be thwarted fairly easy. I still have the original brake pads and the brake dust on the front wheels is HUGE but that'll be fixed with the replacement pads. I don't recall running any other car from a dead stop but from a 60 roll, you just toy with 'em.

[The Big Al]

http://www.lingenfelter.com/1999Lingenfelter500HPTwinTurbo.htm

[Charlie M]

Does anyone know what the difference between the 385 hp and the 405 hp C-5 Z-06's was? Looks like a huge difference in value. I was kinda looking to spend only about 35-37K on a car but would go another 5 or so on the right car.

I have never driven either of these cars. My last Corvette was a 93 that I just sold. I still have a 86 project that I was gonna work over but I am more thinking of rather having a newer one.

[WARLOCK]

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie......1986 project car? That thing belongs in the projects. Go drive a C-5 or 6 and you will never think of driving the old ones again. The one Big Al showed looks like a steal!!! Later, Dave

[captcarb]

Charlie,

Until last week, the last Corvette I drove was my 71 454 which I sold years ago. My next door neighbor's girl frind has a C6 convertible with the 51 suspension and the drilled rotors etc. It is the LS-2 400 hp version.

He asked me to drive it to check out the way it shifts (six speed). You are in the looking at the numbers stage and that will not give an idea of how fast these cars are. Even in the midrange it would out pull my 454, and it must have twice the cornering force.

I think the 385 or the 405 will have more performance than you can use even on the track. It would take me a bunch of seat time on the track to get that thing up to it's potential if I ever got there.

It's a whole new ball game.

jim

[WARLOCK]

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie......1986 project car? That thing belongs in the projects. Go drive a C-5 or 6 and you will never think of driving the old ones again. The one Big Al showed looks like a steal!!! Later, Dave
And trust me Charlie....I loved my old 69 convertible. Later, Dave

[1BadAction]

Does anyone know what the difference between the 385 hp and the 405 hp C-5 Z-06's was? Looks like a huge difference in value. I was kinda looking to spend only about 35-37K on a car but would go another 5 or so on the right car.

cam and valvetrain.

getting 20 more hp out of an LSx is a piece of cake, a good tune can get you that or a little more. 400RWHP from the 5.7 is fairly attainable with only bolt-ons...

[tripledude2]

Does anyone know what the difference between the 385 hp and the 405 hp C-5 Z-06's was? Looks like a huge difference in value. I was kinda looking to spend only about 35-37K on a car but would go another 5 or so on the right car.

I have never driven either of these cars. My last Corvette was a 93 that I just sold. I still have a 86 project that I was gonna work over but I am more thinking of rather having a newer one. You've got plenty of dough for a C5 Z06. The 385HP was 2001 only. Then onto the 405. They were the same car until the C6. No sense in spending the extra money for the 03 or 04 unless you want the anniversary model??? As I mentioned earlier, options were limited. So were colors. I dislike black interiors but that's all you could get. Oh yea, there was the black with red seat inserts that I wasn't too high on either. As someone else mentioned, they are a world apart from the 70's, 60's and 90's. I had Corvettes from the early 70's thru a Silver Anniversary 78 (what a pooch). Whether a 454 or LT1, there is no comparison. Their midrange punch and topend wasn't anywhere near the newer. Mine was in Memphis with a dealer who only sells on ebay. Vettes, Beemers, Vipers, early Hummers, Porsches, etc. A cousin of mine has a couple Porsches and also lives in Memphis. When we went to pick up my car, we did a lot of bullsh*tting about ZO6 versus Viper versus 911. Both of them have put time in on a track in Memphis. The dealer said the Viper would get the Vette in the straights but had to be tippy toed thru the corners and would get passed by the ZO6. The ZO6 would get the 911's in the straights and almost get it in the turns also. Driving from Memphis back up to the Chicago area was a blast. I spent a lot of time getting off the highway just so I could use the ramp to get back ON. Huge grin factor.:D :D :D

[WARLOCK]

As soon as this house is done (late next year)...I'm saving for a C-6 Z-o6. I saw another yellow one on the road yesterday, that car is BAD ASS!!! Like my wife says, "you gotta have a dream". Later, Dave

[sms]

As soon as this house is done (late next year)...I'm saving for a C-6 Z-o6. I saw another yellow one on the road yesterday, that car is BAD ASS!!! Like my wife says, "you gotta have a dream". Later, Dave


Save a little more and maybe the supercharged Blue Devil version will be out by late next year.

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65560

[skydog]

Watch the older Z06 for a oil burner.

[Charlie M]

Whats an older Z06? 01? 02? I am starting to think on just getting a new LT1 C-6. I never bought a new car before. The prices of what I have seen on 02 to 04 Z06's are not much off of a new base C-6

[Ziemer]

I'd go with the new C6. As 1bad mentioned, definitely opt for the Z51 package. My dad just sold his (C6, Z51, 6-speed), which had a few minor mods and it was badass. Intake, exhaust, computer reflash, and it dynoed around 440 hp. Not too shabby. ;)

[tripledude2]

As soon as this house is done (late next year)...I'm saving for a C-6 Z-o6. I saw another yellow one on the road yesterday, that car is BAD ASS!!! Like my wife says, "you gotta have a dream". Later, DaveOn my way to work yesterday, I was next to a new ZO6 (yellow). It did look good. Liked the semi flares on the rear quarters. Does anyone know if ALL Vette colors are available on the new ZO6????

[sms]

On my way to work yesterday, I was next to a new ZO6 (yellow). It did look good. Liked the semi flares on the rear quarters. Does anyone know if ALL Vette colors are available on the new ZO6????

Orange, Black, Silver, Blue, Yellow, Red.

Yellow tintcoat, Orange tintcoat and Lemans Blue Metallic are extra cost colors.

[skydog]

01 i think do some digging.

[WARLOCK]

Save a little more and maybe the supercharged Blue Devil version will be out by late next year.

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65560
The way our county buiding inspectors are, it seems like I will have saved up for a new Z06 before they get off thier asses and get going on my permits. Later, Dave

[Charlie M]

I hear that maybe a 6.2 450 hp version may be available by 08 as the base engine. If this is the case the value of the C5 may drop out.

[1BadAction]

I hear that maybe a 6.2 450 hp version may be available by 08 as the base engine. If this is the case the value of the C5 may drop out.
yes... variable valve timing pushrod 6.2L. 385hp version is currently being sold in the 2007 Escalades and I believe the GMC yukon "denalis"

Lot of balls on bottom end compared to anything else out there in the small v8 world.

[Charlie M]

Is this going to be a 3 valve engine?

[1BadAction]

nope. the head is very similar to the ones on the 06 zo6, except the zo6 has CNC heads, and these are "as-cast"

the "blue devil" "zo7" "stingray" "whatever the hell they are going to call it" 650hp supercharged vette will have DOHC and VVT with 4 valves per cylinder, engine similar to the current "V" series supercharged caddys. I lucked out a couple months ago and got a ride in an sts-V, 470hp (4.4L i believe) dohc supercharged engine, and it was pretty sick. the bottom end torque was unbelieveable and it never stopped pulling all the way to the 6600 limiter. not to mention the sound IMO was the best sounding engine since the LT5 in the ZR1.

[Charlie M]

This may be a little more difficult than I was expecting. I loked at my first used one tonight, an 05 with 13,000 miles 6 speed. Best price 38,995. I will start looking at new ones. That 100,000 warranty looks real good. It has to be worth a few thousand dollars for the extra warranty and not to get a car that has not had the piss run out of it.

[tripledude2]

Another model I considered was the 03 anniversary car. If there's such a thing as a "pretty" Corvette, that was it. Dark red, almost a raspberry color. Light tan guts. And the optional alloy wheels that had a slight gold tint to them. Are you going for coupe or ragtop????

[Charlie M]

a coupe 6 speed only. I think I seen the most expensive 05 ever. New car dealer north of me has an 05 coupe and they are asking 47,000 for it. I see a mess of them for sale but looks like all crazy prices.

[Charlie M]

Not quite a C-6 and not quite a C-5. Stupidity must have struck, I ended up buying a 1970 Convertible 4-Speed car.

[The Big Al]

Not quite a C-6 and not quite a C-5. Stupidity must have struck, I ended up buying a 1970 Convertible 4-Speed car.

And what is stupid about that?

We have a guy in Morgantan that is a big dealer for C-3 Corvette parts.

Just watch out for that high speed bump steering.

[1BadAction]

Just watch out for that high speed bump steering.

yea... a few suspension mods and you can make it NOT handle like a lumber truck :D

[Charlie M]

Nothing refined about this car. It runs rough, it drives rough, its terrible on gas, no power brakes, I love it

[1BadAction]

It runs rough, it drives rough, its terrible on gas, no power brakes, I love it

so thats why you like OMCs so much ! :p

good luck with it. what you putting in it? BBC? :eek: :D

[Charlie M]

Gonna put a V-8 nissan motor in it:eek:

[WARLOCK]

Not quite a C-6 and not quite a C-5. Stupidity must have struck, I ended up buying a 1970 Convertible 4-Speed car.
I sold my 1969 convertable, 350, 350 hp, no p/s, no p/b, no air. Bare bones and loved it. I regret selling it to this day. What color, Charlie.
P.S. If it does need paint or any type of body work.....PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DO IT!!! Ha Ha, Later, Dave

[Charlie M]

Blue and blue. M-21 L-46 (I think its got a tach with the 6500 redline), AM/FM (radio radio still works), P/S, no P/B, rear window defog 41,000 miles

[WARLOCK]

Charlie,
I really think we need you to go to an eye doctor. First, you brought that red boat to the Rumble a few years ago and thought it had great paint....now, I hate to tell ya this, but thats a green dump truck not a blue vette. Later, Dave

[Charlie M]

Here's my old one

[The Big Al]

Nothing refined about this car. It runs rough, it drives rough, its terrible on gas, no power brakes, I love it

LMAO !!!

Thats good stuff!!!

No fun if ya can't work on it.

[velox]

Anyone ever drove both enough to know? Looking for either a new Vette or a 02 to 24 Z-06

I own a 2003 Z06 and my son owns a 2006 Z06.
At this point in my life I can purchase almost any car I really want. I would own a new 7 litre Z06 except I refuse to even talk to a dealer about over list price. Just a principle with me.
I got my 2003 in the Spring of 03 for 42K, brand new.
My son paid in the mid 70's for his 2006 Z06. Once the prices come down to reality (and they will) I will get a 7 litre Z06. My 2003 Z06 is the best car I have ever owned.
It is comfortable , rides great, and is just barely fast enough. The new Z06 is incredible ! It's so powerful ,it's really too much for the average person. That's what I love about it!
If money is important ( and it is for 99.999% of the population), I would go with the 2003 0r 2004 Z06 and simply install the Supercharger kit. This will get you faster than the 7 litre at half the cost.
PS I have owned a 63 Fuelie, a 64 Fuelie,a 65 Coupe, a 66 427-425 HP,a 80 coupe, an 86 Convert, a 94 Coupe and the 2003 Z06. I still have the 63, 65, 66,94 and Z06 along with a 79 - 930 Turbo Porsche.
The Z06 is the best one to drive day in and day out!

[tripledude2]

I own a 2003 Z06 and my son owns a 2006 Z06.
At this point in my life I can purchase almost any car I really want. I would own a new 7 litre Z06 except I refuse to even talk to a dealer about over list price. Just a principle with me.
I got my 2003 in the Spring of 03 for 42K, brand new.
My son paid in the mid 70's for his 2006 Z06. Once the prices come down to reality (and they will) I will get a 7 litre Z06. My 2003 Z06 is the best car I have ever owned.
It is comfortable , rides great, and is just barely fast enough. The new Z06 is incredible ! It's so powerful ,it's really too much for the average person. That's what I love about it!
If money is important ( and it is for 99.999% of the population), I would go with the 2003 0r 2004 Z06 and simply install the Supercharger kit. This will get you faster than the 7 litre at half the cost.
PS I have owned a 63 Fuelie, a 64 Fuelie,a 65 Coupe, a 66 427-425 HP,a 80 coupe, an 86 Convert, a 94 Coupe and the 2003 Z06. I still have the 63, 65, 66,94 and Z06 along with a 79 - 930 Turbo Porsche.
The Z06 is the best one to drive day in and day out!I'm curious why you'd go for the 03-04 ZO6 and not the 2002?? For the same car, why buy the newer ones???

[velox]

I'm curious why you'd go for the 03-04 ZO6 and not the 2002?? For the same car, why buy the newer ones???
I am not sure of the Horsepower of the 2002, but it may be a little less than the 03 and 04's.
I would go for the latest one because it will have all of the improvements made during the c5 production. Also you usually get one with less wear and tear. Sometimes you can pick one up with less than 10,000 miles on it so you are getting an almost new car for less than 1/2 of the 2006.
My 2003 has about 8,000 miles on it and it has just now completely broken in!
I swear it's faster now than last year.
When I punch it from around 20 MPH, it burns the tires all the way through first and second gears. Thats without dumping the clutch , just giving it full throttle. It did not do this at first. Sometimes it burns the tires so badly the engine over revs and cuts off before I am ready to shift.
Of course the 2006 will burn the tires in every gear without trying!
I have even thought of buying a 7 litre engine and putting it in mine.
As good as it is, I still want more.
Horsepower is like a drug. The first several times you accelerate with a fast car, its overwhelming. After a couple of days you start to think, boy this thing is not as fast as it was, what happened to all of the power?
The same thing is true with my airplanes. I built a plane that most people put a 180 HP engine in. I installed a 260 HP engine in it and the first time I accelerated it ,I thought I had made a mistake and had overpowered it. Now its Ho- hum. Because of this, my son David came up with a great saying:
"Too much Horsepower is almost enough! "

[Charlie M]

Only problem is 04 Z06's are bringing more money than what you could get a new C-5 for. That is why I was asking is an old Z06 really worth more than a new C-5? From what I have seen is I don't really think so. You could get a new C-5 for just under 40,000 or an 04 Z06 for about 42 to 46.

[velox]

Only problem is 04 Z06's are bringing more money than what you could get a new C-5 for. That is why I was asking is an old Z06 really worth more than a new C-5? From what I have seen is I don't really think so. You could get a new C-5 for just under 40,000 or an 04 Z06 for about 42 to 46.

I misunderstood your question.
The new 2006 vettes with the 400 HP engine are so close to the older Z06's its probably not worth the money for them. They are so close in performance most people would not know the difference.
I agree, its better to just go ahead and get the brand new one. There is nothing like getting a brand new car. The smell. the perfection and just knowing you are the very first owner is priceless.

[Charlie M]

I have never owned a new car before, a new Corvette would do it though. I just bought an older one at a good deal and think I may hold onto this one for a little while until I decide. Heard that next year the Vettes will have a 450 hp motor standard. I had a quote on a new Convertible for 47,800 and came damn close to buying it.

[captcarb]

velox,

If you need more out af that 540, call these folks. They will give you a lot more:

http://www.lycon.com/

jim

[tripledude2]

I am not sure of the Horsepower of the 2002, but it may be a little less than the 03 and 04's.
I would go for the latest one because it will have all of the improvements made during the c5 production. Also you usually get one with less wear and tear. Sometimes you can pick one up with less than 10,000 miles on it so you are getting an almost new car for less than 1/2 of the 2006.
My 2003 has about 8,000 miles on it and it has just now completely broken in!
I swear it's faster now than last year.
When I punch it from around 20 MPH, it burns the tires all the way through first and second gears. Thats without dumping the clutch , just giving it full throttle. It did not do this at first. Sometimes it burns the tires so badly the engine over revs and cuts off before I am ready to shift.
Of course the 2006 will burn the tires in every gear without trying!
I have even thought of buying a 7 litre engine and putting it in mine.
As good as it is, I still want more.
Horsepower is like a drug. The first several times you accelerate with a fast car, its overwhelming. After a couple of days you start to think, boy this thing is not as fast as it was, what happened to all of the power?
The same thing is true with my airplanes. I built a plane that most people put a 180 HP engine in. I installed a 260 HP engine in it and the first time I accelerated it ,I thought I had made a mistake and had overpowered it. Now its Ho- hum. Because of this, my son David came up with a great saying:
"Too much Horsepower is almost enough! " The 2001 ZO6 (first year) was 385 HP. The rest of the C5 ZO6's were 405HP. If any changes were made, they were subtle and/or minor. If anything, an upgrade on the seats during the C5 run would have been welcome.

[velox]

velox,

If you need more out af that 540, call these folks. They will give you a lot more:

http://www.lycon.com/

jim

Thanks for the web address.
I have bought parts from them like HO pistons, but I usually build my own engines.
I don't build engines for my customers and send them to one of 3 good engine builders. Barrett Performance Engines, Performance Aero and Lycon.
Lycon has the line on performance pistons and Barrett has his own cold air induction system and those are two of the items required for the big Lycomings.
All of them are very good. I am friends with Monty Barrett and do alot of business with him. He is a little more conservative with his engines, but what the hell, you can't get out and walk or swim from an airplane too easily.

[mr.clean]

Don't be selfish Charlie,Let's see some pics of that sexy fiberglass bitch :D

[Cobra1racer]

I hate to burst your bubble, BUT. I used to race with NASA here in Phoenix, PIR and Firebird race way, road racing. Any way there was this guy that would come out with his ford zx3, that hatch back thing. Well let me tell you I woould watch him eat up vettes all session long. They couldn't stay with him. They would start out by taking him in the nascar oval 3 and 4 at PIR and then when they went in to the road course area he would catch them and Pass them. He would eventually stay ahead, worn out tires on the vette's. I guess it had a super charger on it and put out about 175 ponies. But hey the Vipers would get their azz's handed to them by 6 cylinder BMW'S and Porches, oh and even a 240z with a 450 hp 2.8 turbo. That was funny. Good luck with that vette, just don't race it.Oh yea I also saw one from the Gumbal 3000, that sucker was faster the the Enzo, like the rally car but road legal,on the other side of the pond.

[Charlie M]

STFU that was about the stupidest bunch of garbage I have ever read. Go grab your motor trend magazine, and hit your favorite hiding spot. OH be careful getting those pages apart

GET A LIFE

[Cobra1racer]

Well it was the SVT Focus. And since you were not there or have never been there. If you believe what you read from a magazine you are as stupid as the person that wrote it. How much money do you want to pay for good print. Lets go back in time, say 11 years. Grab 12 months of hot boat magazine. How many months have Add's for Fountain Power Boats. 1, yes just one with six (6) pages of Add's for good ol Reggie. Now what is the boat of the year, Duh-Fountain. Are you that stupid that you believe what you see in print. No wonder the Star,Glob and National Inquiere are on the racks today. I see it on the track from working corners for over five years. www.microworks.net/dave/viper.html (http://www.microworks.net/dave/viper.html) That would be me backing away from the wall, and the viper was trashed. So why don't you just pipe down. And you are more than wellcome to come to an event and watch. Go to the ASRA- Club Racing Az web site and look for the next track time. Oh yea go to Az z Car and you will find a link to Cliftons viper killer,both of them. What a morron.