View Full Version : What was your dream car when you were a kid?
Raceman
10-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Mine was a 55 Chevy. My Dad told me he'd match whatever I saved to buy a car, and when I was almost 17 I'd saved enough that with his part I thought I could buy a pretty decent car. There was a public car auction here on Wed. nights, but I had to work, so he went to see if there were any 55's. He came home with a 57 210, 2 dr. hardtop (most 210's were sedans) and I was real disappointed. To make it worse, it had nice paint and interior, but a really tired, smokin' 283 and powerglide that did and awful slip thing when changin' gears.
The next year he bought me a complete L79 crate motor from the local Chevy store, and in spite of the know it all in the neighborhood telling him that we'd never get it right if we changed it from an automatic to manual transmission, I stuck a Muncie in it after 2 powerglides went south behind the 350 horse 327.
With the stock L79, except for headers and a 780 Holley in place of the 600, the car ran 13.70's at the drag strip with a 3.70 posi and homemade traction bars. I'd also upgraded the interior to a complete package from a '65 Impala SS, including the back seat (which fit remarkably well) and console. Man, what I wouldn't give to find that car again.
All these years I never got the 55, so when I ran across a decent body about 3 years ago (a 210 sedan) I bought it, and have been in the process of doing a 572 crate with a 6 speed/4.10 12 bolt for several years in between other projects.
I'm also looking for the right '57 project and of course prefer a 210 hardtop, but will settle for a Bel Air if the right one ever comes along. I kinda would like to find a really decent hull and build one from the ground up on one of the Art Morrison Max G chassis, but gotta find the right car first.
By the time I turned 20, the LS6 Chevelles were out, but I was too broke and a new wife was in the way of a hotrod car, but 10 years later the wife was gone and a local LS6 appeared and filled that void.
mr.clean
10-26-2006, 10:43 PM
70 Hemi Cuda :cool: Started Roofing Houses with my brother at 14 and settled for a 73 with a 318 at 15. close enough :p 57 Belair was my 2nd choice :cool:
Scream And Fly
10-26-2006, 10:54 PM
That's easy for me - was and still is a Vector Supercar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_%28cars%29) - it all started for me when I saw a Vector W2. I want one, and I promised myself that I would own one someday.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/745/avectordu1.jpg
The Big Al
10-26-2006, 11:01 PM
Well, lot younger than you Norris.
When growing up, age 4-9 I raced quarter midgets.
Then no more, then the only wheel I could get my hands on was my grandfathers rear engine Wizard (Western Auto) Riding mower. And my dads boat. I really did not pay attention to cars all that much. I had postures and every one page post and center photo out of every hot rod Magazine I could get my hands on. And had a motorcycle. I liked tire burn outs and anything fast.
I really never picked a car, if a picture of a car was standing still, not me.
Crowbars being swinging to a front bumper of a GTO, (no effect)
Then one day, watching wild world of sports, ( I will never forget it)
This car roiled out on the track at Daytona had the V- front nose with this wing on the back! The Daytona Chargers I was mesmerized by this thing.
The a few days later, were I grew up, in Chas Sc.
A car dealer named Burnside Dodge! Had 10 ( I remember counting 10)
Of those Hemi powered winged Chargers lined up in the front of the dealership against the road! Black, orange, white, green red.And that Stripe across the bask with Daytona in it. I begged my Dad to stop! To the point he was ready to kick my ass!
So we went back later. That was it! They opened the hood and their was the biggest dam engine I ever saw! Had 2 four barl carbs. 426 Ci Hemi My dad was even excited! So my Dad arranged for the to take me for a ride!
Front seat passenger! And what do I see! My first real Hurst shifter.
( I'm thinking of Linda Vaughn hanging on my wall!)
We ease out and down Remount Road we go.
As he gets away from the dealership, he shifts down to 2 nd gear and wham! All I remember was the sound of those carbs and the noise of the tires! I was to small to see over the dash. Then 3rd gear and I see the speedo at 130 mph.
My dad tells the guy thats enough!
I was mesmerized! To this day I am.
The first new vehicle I purchased was from them, A Dodge D-50 pickup.
long gone was the Hemi!
My first car was a 70 SS 454 Chevelle. I was in trouble before my Dad knew i had it and before I got home that night!
But that Hemi 426 Daytona Charger is still my dream.
But guess what! The manager of that dealership at that time had put his hands on everyone he could find! And most were sold for Racing.
His name! JIM HUNTER, VP of NASCAR, director of public relations and former president for 20 years of Darlington Speedway.
I hope you enjoy this story! It's proudly the most memorable time during my younger life before becoming a teenager.
AL Smith
mikesufka
10-26-2006, 11:30 PM
I didn't even know what a "dream car" was until I watched the movie "Cannonball Run". The opening scene had a black "dream car" running for miles and miles. To answer the question...............two words..............
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Sufka
St. Cloud, MN
Spectre 30 w/Twin 300 Mercs
1BadAction
10-27-2006, 07:08 AM
I Know I'm going to get laughed off the site for this but...
Black on black IROC. had one, will have one again.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6629/34167ti9.jpg
Ziemer
10-27-2006, 07:18 AM
Black on black IROC. had one, will have one again.
It's not that bad. :D I had a red one. Great car for the day, sure would spank a lot of Mustang ass.:p:p:p ;)
I was always partial to the 68' Camaros. Maybe when I get tired of driving the Allison and sell it, I'll get one. :cool: :p (I would need the garage space.)
Still, to this day my favorite car of all time is the 427 Cobra.
http://www.extrememotorcar.com/albums/Cobra/Cobra_427.jpg
Streamer
10-27-2006, 07:20 AM
#1 1969/70 nova ss 427-425 4 spd
# 2 Ls6 chevelle
vwfreak
10-27-2006, 07:46 AM
Now who didn't want one of these as a kid???
Totally impractical, but so evil looking... :cool:
Had it up on my wall next to the poster of Heather Thomas as a kid.
(The Fall Guy chick) ;)
vwfreak,
When I was a little kid I drew 66 Novas and 67 Camaros and Chevelles all day long. My first dream cars.
Then the Countach showed up, and the 75-79 LP400 and LP400s cars became my all time favorite.
I didn't even know what a "dream car" was until I watched the movie "Cannonball Run". The opening scene had a black "dream car" running for miles and miles. To answer the question...............two words..............
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Sufka
St. Cloud, MN
Spectre 30 w/Twin 300 Mercs
Mr. Mike, I see you are poking around on the Ferrari sites, got the itch for a new dream car?
ShorePounder
10-27-2006, 07:56 AM
Either great minds think alike or fools seldom differ.
I was a Cobra freak as a kid. 260, 289, 427, it didn't matter. I was partial to the 427's, but I never turned my nose up at any Cobra. All kids build models of their favorite cars. Almost all of the models I built were Cobras. There was an LS6 Chevelle, a '40 Willys, and a GT500KR, but the rest of the shelf was all Cobras. I still want one. I'll never hold the keys to a real one, but I yearn for a tastefully done replica.
1BadAction
10-27-2006, 08:03 AM
Hey man theres nothing wrong with a replica. they tend to be better for a driver anyway cause you arent scared to beat on them. Part of the reason why I loved the IROC so much, had more fun times in that car than any other one I've had since.
the next one will have a stitched body and over 600hp though, :eek: I'm just saying NO to N/A :D
vector mike
10-27-2006, 08:41 AM
the one that I most remember is the Ford Pantera. I saw it sitting in a Motel parking lot and just about spazed out over it. I can remember the 200 mph speedo, 5 speed sloted shifter and thought that it had to be the fastest car out there. :rolleyes: I was only 10 when I saw my first one but still think they are a cool car even today. The other one that I won't mention to much about is the Bricklin. I use to watch them go buy on the car hauler's all the time when I lived in Maine. I thought they were a cool looking car too. ;) Here's a couple of pics of the Ford Pantera.
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/5534/1972pantera1sy6.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3210/1972pantera2xv2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1201/1972pantera3dy3.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2962/1972pantera4li9.jpg
Here's a pic of the Bricklin incase you have never heard of one.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8247/bricklinjg1.jpg
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 08:49 AM
I didn't even know what a "dream car" was until I watched the movie "Cannonball Run". The opening scene had a black "dream car" running for miles and miles. To answer the question...............two words..............
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Sufka
St. Cloud, MN
Spectre 30 w/Twin 300 Mercs
Mike, I was in love with the girls!
Did anyone pay attention to just how fast that car was.
Pay attention to the traffic in the other lane. they travel 50ft and the Girls are gone!
Burt Reynolds still has that car.
vwfreak
10-27-2006, 08:50 AM
Volkswagen & Audi have talked about a "supercar" for years, and even built a few prototypes with the awesome W12 motor (two VR6's mated together!)
Saddly the VW Nardo will never be built, but Audi is apparently bringing out the new "R8" in the spring of 2008. Not like I can afford it, but I can still dream...
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/A6/0/wm/e969fdcb-e95e-4d5d-981f-982500fffd84.htm
vwfreak,
1BadAction
10-27-2006, 08:51 AM
ahh excellent, the de-tomaso Pantera. They had a guy bring several exotics to my HS auto class to show. a Pantera with a big CID "mod" windsor, a late 80's turbo 911, and a De-lorean. The pantera was one of THE fastest cars I have been in. right up there with the turbo'd ls1 vettes.
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 09:08 AM
Ok yall get ya fix on the real Cannon Ball!
This will get you exsotic lovers going!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=878Uu94VPqc
vector mike
10-27-2006, 09:21 AM
Awesome video Al. :D
AnthonySS
10-27-2006, 09:23 AM
I would agree that when I was about 10, it was a hopped up 55 or 57, then into my teens it was a Goat (66/67) and then a 69 Firebird...a 69 firebird was my first car...I had that dream car:)
blkmtrfan
10-27-2006, 09:24 AM
Midyear (63-67) Corvette Coupe
I grew up (for the most part, LOL) in the 70's, the neighbor across the street had one, a marina blue 64 if memory serves, although in pretty rough shape, but I just loved the look and the layout of the interior.
Have yet to own one, had Impalas, Chevelles, an El Camano, and a Camaro all from the 60's but never a vette :o , Now I don't think I could afford one anyway :mad:
Liqui-Fly
10-27-2006, 09:29 AM
It's true:D
Lambo lover unite:
Ron Rice's (owner of Hawaiian Tropics) 1980 Cannonball Run car.
Said to have been bought by him right off the movie set.
Also my 79 that I had in 99-2000.
Link to a good pic of my old 79 LP400s:
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01212bz3.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01515fk7.jpg
Raceman
10-27-2006, 10:20 AM
That's easy for me - was and still is a Vector Supercar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_%28cars%29) - it all started for me when I saw a Vector W2. I want one, and I promised myself that I would own one someday.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/745/avectordu1.jpg
How about some stock in Vector instead? I'll make yo ua helluva' deal. I bought a thousand shares in about 1990 and it reverse split about 3 times (I'd never heard of a reverse stock split until then). What's left after all that is a hundred or two shares and get a quarterly statement on it. I think it shows as being worth 8 or 10 bucks now (total....... NOT per share:( ). My accountant tried to get me to dump it and take the write off years ago when it went to basically NOTHING, but I'd rather hang on for awhile and see if anybody ever picks the corporation up and does something with it. We were in Anahiem in early 90's for a Corvette show and went to Beverly Hills for the day to let the girls shop some. Andre' Aggossi drove down Rodeo Drive in a red one. It's the only real one I ever saw.
#1 1969/70 nova ss 427-425 4 spd
# 2 Ls6 chevelle
Great minds think alike:
1. Found a low mile, original paint (very nice) '68 Nova that I'm making into a clone. Probably with an L88 instead of L78 though.
2. Have 2 currently in different stages of restoration. Chevelle is on rotisserie doing a patch panel in rear floor pan under back seat where rear window leaked, and El Camino is painted and getting final detail. Both have original drivetrains. LS6 El Camino is rarer than Chevelle, but Chevelle is cooler. (El Camino has new springs and no radiator/battery/interior yet. It won't sit that high when finished)
Sounds like my kind of investments.
Raceman
10-27-2006, 10:38 AM
Midyear (63-67) Corvette Coupe
I grew up (for the most part, LOL) in the 70's, the neighbor across the street had one, a marina blue 64 if memory serves, although in pretty rough shape, but I just loved the look and the layout of the interior.
Have yet to own one, had Impalas, Chevelles, an El Camano, and a Camaro all from the 60's but never a vette :o , Now I don't think I could afford one anyway :mad:
Engine picture from my '67
blkmtrfan
10-27-2006, 10:42 AM
Thanks Norris, maybe just rub it in a little :p :D
Actually, I have always wanted a fuelie small block 4-speed car, w/ 4-wheel disc brakes :cool:
There is a 67 Corvette roadster on Ebay I saw last night, small motor, no significant options, bolt on rally wheels,
pushing 60 thousand dollars. What is the world coming to.
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 11:11 AM
It's true:D
LIQUID FLY!
Days after my little trip to the Dodge dealer.
My mom wanted a Station Wagon.
Dad bought a 1969 Buick GS Sport Wagon with 455
I would like to think our trip to the Dodge dealer make him just up.
that car would run! Had a 355 posi rear end.
had the roof window, and everything loaded!
I remember the big deal that the tail gate would open 2 ways!
Flod down and swing like a door.
I will never forget my dad with me, my brother and sister.
Lined us up and told us, we just bought a 5000.00 dollar car!
He put his hard waorking 2000.00 down and it was going to be 102.00 a month and he better not see any shoes on the seats, bubble gum on the floor!
I got my first date, in the car! My first speeding ticket, my first crash.
We keep that car 15 years. Sold it for 1000.00 and it looked new!
Dad said it was wore out with the 80k miles on it!
Crazy!
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 11:31 AM
Now Norris if you have one of these i'm gona die!
Even though I have first Memories of the Hemi Daytona Charger!
This is a car I will own! Some day!
This color !
1961 Corvette with romovable hardtop.
Raceman
10-27-2006, 11:37 AM
Now Norris if you have one of these i'm gona die!
This is a car I will own! Some day! This color !
1961 Corvette with romovable hardtop.
You're safe. This is as close as I can get and it's a '60.
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 11:47 AM
Just a little crome differance.:rolleyes:
But I love the 4 head light front with the dove tail rear!
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 11:49 AM
I'm gona come get that Vega! And finish it!
Your not!
Al
mikesufka
10-27-2006, 01:04 PM
SMS -
That Ferrar site is great. I've spent way too much time on there drooling over some of the cars. No immediate plans on a Ferrari, but who knows. I'd like to own one someday. I don't even have a sports car right now. Sold my Viper a few months ago.
The Big Al -
How do you know Burt Reynolds still owns that car? That scene is probably the best five or ten minutes of any movie car scene. The sounds were incredible. Wonder if they were real?
Mike Sufka
St. Cloud, MN
Spectre 30 w/Twin 300 Mercs
You're safe. This is as close as I can get and it's a '60.
How about your maroon 62 fulie??????
RedAllison
10-27-2006, 02:01 PM
I was born in 71 and graduated HS in 89 so yes for me the "dream cars" were
1). Lamborghini Countach
2). Ferrari Testarossa
and being raised around an old gearhead (my dad) I still had a secret hankerin for a 71 Hemi 'Cuda, a 70 AAR 'Cuda (dad had one when my mother became pregnant with me, maybe I was concieved in it? :p ) and a 427 Vette but back in those days kids thought you were nuts for talking about "those old cars". LMAO now look at what a Hemi 'Cuda is worth and what the Lambo and Testies are worth by comparison!!! :cool:
Of course in an ideal world I'd STILL like a real AC Cobra, ;)
RA
ps
Yep I was a died in the wool "Cannonballer". I musta watched that movie a million times as a kid (don't know if it was for the cars or for seeing Susan Anton and Cathrine Bach in those shiny suits, I didn't know legs came in those lengths). "Maybe HIM can do it? Maybe HIM can get HIMSELF killed and take YOU with HIM"!!!
"Maybe HIM can do it? Maybe HIM can get HIMSELF killed and take YOU with HIM"!!!
"Victor, don't talk about him, I don't wan't to hear about him!!!!"
"Maybe we should ask the doctor"
1BadAction
10-27-2006, 02:10 PM
i have a new dream car... anything with one of these :eek:
http://www.katechengines.com/street_performance/images/ALMS/DSCF3988_1.JPG
Riverratt
10-27-2006, 03:57 PM
I always wanted a 69 Z28 or an AMC Pacer limo after seeing Waynes World:D
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 04:06 PM
"Victor, don't talk about him, I don't wan't to hear about him!!!!"
"Maybe we should ask the doctor"
If ya gonna be a bear!!!
Be a grizzly!
Raceman
10-27-2006, 04:29 PM
How about your maroon 62 fulie??????
It's still just as scattered as it was within a month after I got it home. I was looking for a picture of it to post also, but can't find it in the computer. I know I posted it somewhere on here too, but doing a search for '62 Corvette didn't turn it up.
I've got a '59 also, that's scattered. I might paint it black with silver coves just to torture Al. :p
beer30
10-27-2006, 04:35 PM
In 1968, Dodge released one of the most feared drag cars ever: the 1968 Hurst Hemi Dart
God...... I would love too see one again.:cool: :cool: :cool: Chuck
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 05:05 PM
For the record their are 2 cars with the most fear Category!
In Door Slammer (true Door slammer)
Even this one team ran a lot of GTX's and Cuda's This was their Hammer down boy. This was the cat that stopped you ass!
Number 1.
http://www.prostockhemi.com/gallery/soxmartin/15.jpg
Now this guy was a major influence on GM durability and still works in GM performance house.
I wanted a picture with him so bad, but we are not allowed camera's in the development center at GM
Jenkins is also the brain trust behine the new RO7 Racing engine.
Yall will know about it later.
It's a totally new design for the 350ci v8 engine! FOR RACING!
5.7L is a 350ci! For ya young guys!
http://www.draglist.com/photoimages/Photos-RayRay/Full%20Size/grumpy80camaro.jpg
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 05:08 PM
http://www.prostockhemi.com/duster2.gif (http://www.prostockhemi.com/clip/)
http://www.prostockhemi.com/clip/du2.jpg
Can you see what is changed in this factory car?
OrangeCrush
10-27-2006, 05:15 PM
when i was a kid always wanted a 40 Ford coupe small block with tripps,and a fourspeed. had a 39. Blkmt had a 66 corvette coupe blk on blk, 350 hp 4 speed sold it in 1975 for $3500. if only i knew.
The Big Al
10-27-2006, 05:19 PM
http://www.prostockhemi.com/clip/hotrod.jpg
10.5' Tunnel
10-27-2006, 05:36 PM
I never had one, couldn't decide;) I'd honestly have a problem if I won the lottery deciding what car 'd buy first:confused:
Ted Stryker
10-27-2006, 05:38 PM
This is a tough question, I had so many... I used to lay awake at night dreaming of a blown GTO "Judge" after seeing the movie " My Science Project "... My Family has had a couple of IROC'S, one being the 5.7 and I do love those cars especially when they were new and not rattled apart, the 1992 Z-28's were awesome also... In My late teens it was indisputedly the 1993 Mustang Cobra, I still get a funny feeling when I see one and I'll own one some day... To end this I will say that I dreamed about boats more than cars, and the dream list is too long to bore You with...
Raceman
10-27-2006, 06:32 PM
In 1968, Dodge released one of the most feared drag cars ever: the 1968 Hurst Hemi Dart
God...... I would love too see one again.:cool: :cool: :cool: Chuck
The Hemi Dart was one of the all time greats. I had a chance to buy what looked to be a pretty good one about 10 years ago, but it was a buy now or pass situation, and I was afraid it was a clone and didn't have time to do any history check. Found out later that the car was real. :(
velox
10-27-2006, 08:09 PM
When I was in highschool, I dreamed of getting a 32 Ford roadster.
In the mid sixties Richie Baiz and I had a shop together. He had bought a 32 Ford roadster. I was driving my 64 Fuelie Vette that would turn 115 an in the mid 12's. One day he asked me if I wanted the roadster. I repleyed " what the hell do I want that thing for" . He was going to just give it to me. He took it to the swap meet at Tropical Drive in ,and got 65 bucks for it. This was an all steel body car in perfect condition.
Boy, could I kick my own ass for that move!
Believe it or not, Barry Evans, another boat racer, found the car in Micanopy , Florida in a farmers barn and paid $10 for it. It was completly original and still had a good interior in when he got it. Barry stripped it and sold parts off of it to feed his family for the next year.
David
10-27-2006, 08:39 PM
The first car I can remember wanting was the 69 Mach 1. I was bummed when I found out that the standard engine only had a two barrel carb.
Not long after, I fell in love with the E Type Jaguar. I still love those cars. Make mine a Series 1, with the triple carb engine, the glassed over headlights, and an all syncro gearbox. I don't care if the latter is original or not.
Now, if I won the lotto, I'd buy a Lotus Elise.
Am I the only English car fool here?
I still like the American iron, and I'll see some tomorrow at the last car show of the year.
live2ride31
10-28-2006, 05:03 AM
I didn't even know what a "dream car" was until I watched the movie "Cannonball Run". The opening scene had a black "dream car" running for miles and miles. To answer the question...............two words..............
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you took the words right out of my mouth. as a kid growing up in the 80's how could you not want that car. especially after seeing that movie......................................................................dave
vwfreak
10-28-2006, 11:15 AM
It took a bit of searching, but I found this clip from Speed Zone. (1989)
The movie where they skip the Countach over the pond while running from the cops... :rolleyes:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D5iv1-3vEVA
Tripps
10-28-2006, 11:45 AM
How about 65 chevelle with a z-16 option,only made 201 of them,but being a chevy man i would have to switch sides and maybe a hemi cuda,challenger,then a boss 429 mustang,all 4 speeds tripps
The Big Al
10-28-2006, 01:28 PM
Now, look at time line.
Pay attention to how for the Lambo and the Police trans AM travel compare to traffic in other lanes. Look at the motor home at HWY speed and watch them disappear.
Time line for this start at 2:24 in the clip!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jYsIWRijY90&mode=related&search=
Ted Stryker
10-28-2006, 02:30 PM
When I hear that gorgeous sound of an Italian sports car going through the gears, I feel like I'm cheating on My Girlfriend... Nice Bullet pic Al, it's good to see one running at the correct angle and now plowing the rear of the pad through the water from a trim greedy driver.. Our Bullets are the same color..
Al,
Being a drag racer you probably know, but the pic of Grumpy you posted is a Diamond (now marine) built car.
The Big Al
10-28-2006, 05:47 PM
Al,
Being a drag racer you probably know, but the pic of Grumpy you posted is a Diamond (now marine) built car.
I wondered about that, knew they did some.
When I was in Grand Blanc talking with him I told him I was into boat now and he said Diamond built some chassis for him. Knowing they were big in boat now, Small world.
But had no idea what car.
I thought that car was a Competition Engineering Car, lot of competition between them and Alston at the time.
Al
The Big Al
10-28-2006, 05:54 PM
Nice Bullet pic Al, it's good to see one running at the correct angle and now plowing the rear of the pad through the water from a trim greedy driver.. Our Bullets are the same color..
Thanks Ted, when i first got the boat and talking with Paul Nickols I found out overtrim will kill the boat, and so many love poping that nose in the air! Let it stay on the pad, you can easy kill 5mph over trimming.
I love it when I see one with nose in the air, duck walking, and the driver thinks he's halling ass! Truth is, he's just blowing water and making noise! HAHA:D
But he can drive!:rolleyes:
Scream And Fly
10-28-2006, 05:56 PM
Marty and Joe were building race cars (Diamond Race Cars) and frames before they became Diamond Marine. :)
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2272/dragcar2jm.jpg
The Big Al
10-28-2006, 06:09 PM
This was my true hero, I still miss him.
I have a set of heads that were ported buy Lee for 331ci small block Modified Production (obsolete now) I will keep them and probley when I die they will get throw out as junk!
This was the Alston Chassis guy.
And Joe & Grumpy were the Competition Engineering guy!
For the record, Lee won more in his short lived error than anyone during that time.
http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_01.jpg
The Big Al
10-28-2006, 06:25 PM
This is the best story i could ever find about Lee Shepard.
I was well involed in Drag Racing when this happened.
This story as him pegged to the letter.(I mean dead on)
And to those who had the pleasure to meat him, we know just how true it is!
Read about my friend!
Thanks Al
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</TD><TD class=p vAlign=bottom width="28%" height=55>By Bobby Bennett, Jr. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#ffffff cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=5 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width="80%" bgColor=#ffffff height=30><TABLE width=30 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><CENTER>http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_01.jpg </CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Few drivers make an impact on drag racing like a soft-spoken, determined individual named Lee Shepherd of Arlington , Texas did. When teamed with the formidable duo of Texans David Reher and the late Buddy Morrison, Shepherd excelled at an incredible pace in a short span of time. Combining his talent behind the wheel with a non-confrontational personality and a sincere dedication to the Chevrolet brand, Shepherd didn't take long in earning the admiration of race fans, young and old. He gained a huge amount of respect from fellow racers as well.
http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_02.jpgIt's a pretty safe assessment to say that many teams underestimated the triumvirate that combined under what were unusual circumstances. Shepherd first joined Reher-Morrison through necessity, and the relationship blossomed from there. The talented driver headed up a team that had developed a reputation in Division 4, and when Shepherd blew the engine in his ride and Reher and Morrison found themselves with an engine and no car, the forces morphed into one. They found success with a few national event wins, and in 1976 they made the huge leap into Pro Stock. The foundation had actually been laid many years before, however.
Reher actually met Shepherd while he was in college at the University of Texas – Arlington . The two actually had a calculus class together.
“I knew that he had been running his car at the local track, but I had never really met him at a race,” recalled Reher. “I had met him in class.”
http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_03.jpgReher admitted that he was impressed with Shepherd the first time he met him. His assessment was that his future driver was a super person. He wasn't an outspoken person and was always quick to treat others the way he would like to be treated. That temperament is something that made it easy for Shepherd to build some lasting relationships, including a longstanding one with Reher.
“Even after he became a star, he never wavered in his treatment of others. He was an extremely intelligent guy and that caused others to gravitate toward him.”
Shepherd's ability to block out distractions is something that primed him for legendary status in NHRA Pro Stock competition. According to Reher, that ability is something that enabled Shepherd to excel as quickly as he did. Even Reher had to confide that that level of concentration is something that kept him from being a driver.
http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_04.jpgOf course, the perfect examples of Shepherd's techniques were often most evident in his battles with Bob Glidden.
“Those guys had major staging battles,” Reher said. “Lee would let him know that there was no way that he was going to stage first. He was always quick to say that he didn't care what happened, he just wasn't going to stage first. Glidden would try to rattle his chain from time to time.”
Shepherd more times than not came out on the winning end of things against Glidden, but the one time he lost a championship to him would be the last time. In 1980, Shepherd and Glidden battled it out for a championship that went down to the final round of the final event of the season. Glidden overcame nearly insurmountable odds to win a championship that was Shepherd's to lose. Just to think a second round win would have sealed the deal, but a broken transmission in the first round left him a sitting duck.
“Their battles were entertaining,” explained Reher. NHRA starter Buster Couch would come over and look in his window and motion for him to stage, but he wouldn't move. He was determined to do what he was going to and that was that. The rest of us were going crazy though.”
http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_05.jpgDon't think for a moment that the loss to Glidden is something that Shepherd took lightly. Journalist/Publicist Dave Densmore had a front-row seat to those battles.
“They were pretty devastated,” recalled Densmore. “They had the better car all year and they won more races, but Glidden just played the points right and caught them at the end. As devastated as they were, it served as fuel for their commitment for the years to follow. They knew at that point they could do it. They just underestimated Glidden's resolve.”
Shepherd's loss on that day actually served to make him a better racer from that point on. He began a winning streak of world championships that spanned from 1981 until 1984. He very well had the momentum for a 1985 championship, and in fact his successor Bruce Allen did win an IHRA title in 1985.
It has been said before by others, and Reher asserts that the word unemotional in the dictionary most likely could have included Shepherd's picture beside it.
“He was always happy to win, but he wasn't one of those that jumped up and down and carried on,” explained Reher. “He took it all matter-of-factly.”
And, just to think, many just believed Shepherd wanted to win. His game plan just made winning a bonus.
“I'd venture to say that most people didn't know that winning wasn't what motivated him the most – it was making the car go faster and faster,” Reher said. “If we had a weekend off, he could most likely be found spending hours and hours on a flow bench trying to extract horsepower above and beyond what we had.”
Reher admitted that Shepherd was a self-motivated person that never shied from work. He pointed out there were times that he had called it a day and left for home, only to return the next morning and see Shepherd still at it.
“He came up with things that are still being used today,” added Reher. “He was a pioneer and was well ahead of his time. I don't think anyone really understood just how hard he worked striving for perfection.
“He was a forward thinker and was plenty capable of thinking outside of the box. He didn't concern himself much with what other people were doing. He was focused and in tune to his program. Some of his ideas were hair-brained, but then again, he had some really good ones.”
No matter how bad the rivalries got, Shepherd never held any animosity towards Glidden or any racer, for that matter. In fact, Reher recalled the team dining at Glidden's home during the course of the season.
Even when a fellow racer allegedly paid the starter of one of the smaller sanctioning bodies to give a quick tree against Shepherd, he didn't even raise a brow publicly, or privately for that matter. He just accepted it as a part of drag racing that he had really no control over.
Quiet, unemotional and driven to win were three of the many traits that could have propelled him to winning records that might stand in today's 23-race schedule seasons. However, Shepherd would be forever noted for his innovativeness and commitment to excellence more than he would be for his interviews and candidness with the press.
http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_06.jpgIn those days, the Reher, Morrison and Shepherd trio were represented in the media by Densmore. Densmore currently represents Funny Car legend John Force.
According to Densmore, Shepherd rated a 10 as a driver and cylinder head specialist, but O as an interview. “I could honestly say that he was probably one of the worst interviews out there when he first started in Pro Stock. He had never been exposed to that kind of stuff and he was already quiet by nature. That's why it was great to see him evolve over the course of a half-decade and see him come out of his shell around the media.”
Densmore laughs when he adds that Shepherd's “coming out of the shell” meant that he gave the media more than yes or no answers. He continued, “He was never going to threaten John Force when it came to talking.”
As mentioned, Shepherd's true area of expertise was in cylinder heads and their development. Public speaking and public relations just weren't his forte. “Lee was a very talented machinist and designer,” Densmore recalled. “He was a quiet person. Between rounds, you'd always see him up in the front of the Chaparral trailer by himself.”
In a true measure of his domination, Shepherd won both NHRA and IHRA titles in 1983 and 1984. Shepherd's successor Allen won the IHRA title in 1985.
That success relates to one thing – determination. Outside of racing, there were no hobbies and very little spare time was devoted to lounging. He was continually on the go and that suited Reher and Morrison just fine.
“Lee's life outside of racing actually tied back into racing,” explained Densmore. “It was full circle. He built motors during the week to sell to customers and then he raced on the weekend. They always considered their racecar as a form of advertising.”
Densmore recalled the first time he met Shepherd and Reher-Morrison while working as a writer for an Amarillo newspaper.
“I kind of thought they were in over their heads at the time,” Densmore explained. “This was in the era that Bob Glidden was dominating and Bill Jenkins and the Dodge guys were all pretty tough. I just looked at these guys as a group of local Modified racers trying to hit it big.
“At the time, they went to the NHRA Cajun Nationals when it was run at LaPlace Dragway outside of New Orleans. It wasn't a national event, but rather a national open at the time. They won the race. To be fair, the field wasn't loaded with heavy-hitters, either. Later in the year, they had a crash in Englishtown.”
The trio re-evaluated their decision to run as professionals. Shepherd returned to Modified as a hired driver for another team and won a national event. It wasn't long after that until they met up again and made the decision to take another stab at it.
“They made the decision that if they were going to go for it, they had to be serious about it,” explained Densmore. “They knew that being an also-ran was not an option. They had to go after the championship.”
http://www.competitionplus.com/08_19_2004/photos/shepherd_07.jpgPro Stock racing was never the same from then on, or at least that's how many race fans saw it. Glidden had been brutally dominant for much of the Seventies, but Shepherd emergence in 1980 would signal a changing of the guard.
Shepherd had effectively entered the game flying under the radar of the front-runners and before they knew what had happened, he had amassed over 36 NHRA and IHRA national event victories and scores of AHRA titles. Just as quickly as he entered the hearts of those in the racing community, however, he was snatched away as the victim of a testing accident in Ardmore, Oklahoma.
In those days, the printed media and the syndicated Diamond P race coverage were the only means of presenting drag racing news. Many people in the industry didn't find out until weeks later, but those in the know got the news quickly.
“I was absolutely stunned,” Densmore recalled. “When they told me that he was gone, I was in shock. The whole drag racing community was in a state of shock. That was the kind of stuff that happened to other people, not championship teams like Reher & Morrison.”
Rumors permeated the racing community that safety was a lax issue and those close to the situation raised a brow at that notion. The car reportedly became airborne and struck an earthen berm. The impact was so severe in a head-on manner that it caused Shepherd to suffer fatal injuries.
The team had been doing sixty-foot shots all day and for some reason Shepherd decided to take it to the finish line under full power. A severe crosswind proved to be fatal.
Reher, who had seen more than his share of crashes, had no idea that the crash was fatal from his starting line vantage point. “No crash is a good crash and certainly people have survived a much worse looking crash,” admitted Reher. “Anything can happen and we see it happen time and time in today's racing world. Dale Earnhart's wreck didn't look too violent on television, but we know how it turned out.
“Racing is a dangerous sport, as we all know, and all it takes is one blow and it can be fatal. That is something that will never change in racing. It will always be dangerous, even for a champion like Lee. Cars are built better and hopefully we keep learning from these deals. Every impact brings about a new set of circumstances and teaches new things to hopefully prevent fatal accidents in the future.
“As humans, we're pretty good at using hindsight, but we still cannot predict the future.”
Shepherd was certainly not a driver that could be easily replaced, but Reher is pretty certain the driver to take over following the crash was one that Lee would have personally selected if he would have decided to quit.
“I'm almost certain that Lee would have selected Bruce Allen, as we did,” Reher said. “Bruce was exactly the kind of person that Lee liked. Bruce is a low-key, non-egotistical person and that's the way Lee was. He was a hard-worker, too.”
One can only guess where Shepherd's career would have blossomed to, but as Reher sees it, he might have been impressed with the class today.
“I can't really speculate what he would say, but he would have certainly have been right in the thick of things working his butt off. I'm sure he'd be doing very well at it too.”
We're sure he would have been there, too.
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Tom D.
10-28-2006, 07:29 PM
Thank for sharing Al. I remember some of those Pro-Stock battles. To this day Pro-Stock and the sportman ranks are my favorite races to watch.
Tom
OrangeCrush
10-29-2006, 06:10 AM
Big Al I met Lee back in 1973 . I was a crew member with the Bob Johnson cars. Santangelo/Yacavone SS cars. Lee was a great guy,a person who treated you like he knew you all your life.
BigAl, those are great stories.
As you can see from the paint scheme on my Camaro below I was a pretty big Lee Shepherd fan too!
Back to dream cars.
(kind of sick to the stomach now with politics...)
A few weeks ago some friends came down for a little road run. They had the yellow car market cornered for sure.
Based on all the poeple who stopped and gaped, there is a new bunch of kids with exotic (car) dreams.
The guy who owns the 6.0 Diablo is only 22, and real accomodating with it, letting young guys drive it in parking lots etc...building the next generation of car nuts.
10.5' Tunnel
11-08-2006, 07:24 PM
22 and drives a diablo:eek: Any job openings:D
22 and drives a diablo:eek: Any job openings:D
He has his own lawn care business.
MidnightCarving
11-16-2006, 10:39 AM
mine is a 1970 Pontiac GTO 455 convertible, black... my dad used to have a 70' lemans convertible with that pontiac classic 289.. i wish he had held on to it till i was old enough to buy it.. best part of the whole car... he welded up his own trailer hitch... i have a pic of the thing towing his boat, if i find it i'll post it on here. speaking of which, if anyone has a 70 lemans or gto in running condition (i can deal with paint/body work myself) at a reasonable price... i really want one.
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