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Raceman
09-17-2006, 10:46 AM
We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in California. It was said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy Washington, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, destroying the entire state of America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of The United States. He said, America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, so let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Toynbee observed that "all great civilizations rise and fall and that an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide".

"Here's how they do it" Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America, turn it into a bilingual or multi lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual, however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent the multiculturalism and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due soley to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

Third, "We could make the US and Hispanic Quebec without much effort. The key is to celebrated diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Swartz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently, "The apparent success of our own multi ethnic and multi cultural experiment miight have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to bea an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralisme to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences, rather than as Americans emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50+% dropout rate from high school.

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and businesses to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of victimology. I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promotion of divided loyalties. I would celebrated diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race, they possessed a common language and literature, and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty, Yeat ll these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and georgraphical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" from many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the "pluribus" instead of the "unum" we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo".

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits, make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of diversity. I would find a word similar to "heretic" in the 16th century that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like racist or xenophobe halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of victimology, I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lasty I would censor Victor Hanson Davis' book, Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book".

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above everyattendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the US today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we CELEBRATE OUR DIVERSITY. American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America...take note of California and other states...to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orewell's book "1984". In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth buildng: "War is peace", "Freedom is slavery", and "Ignorance is strength".

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in it's path, ESPECIALLY the American Dream.

The Big Al
09-17-2006, 11:03 AM
I understand the frustration. In talking to my grandmother and grandfather before she passed away at the age of 94 just 2 years ago.

They pointed out that during WWII, their was a great amount of people coming to the USA, and they remember going to see New York City and it was over run by non-speaking English people. Said things changed in time with their siblings learning the English.
I know we have a lot of Spanish here in the area I live, and most don't speak English, but they dam sure make their kids learn it.

Now the ones I worry about and they are a savage bunch is Asian, they have no respect for anyone. Mean bunch. Home school, they want their own neighborhood.

pyro
09-17-2006, 11:19 AM
Awesome speech. Raceman did you read my ranting post in the "luxury yachts" thread?

RedAllison
09-17-2006, 12:52 PM
lol Pyro, somehow I don't think the Gov.s OR Racemans idea of preserving our nation include your ideas of socialism.

What did a speech about immigration have to do with ANYTHING related in your yacht diatribe??? :confused: :rolleyes:
RA

ps
I can answer this one for you btw, You stated that our nation is essentially being sold out one shipping container at a time. On that I think we ALL can agree! BUT who is doing the buying? Are the Paul Allens and Warren Buffett's of the U.S. the ones buying the container loads of cheap Chinese crap at Wal-Mart or is it more likely the ol Joe Schmoe the clockpuncher who is sealing his own futures fate???

Raceman
09-17-2006, 04:38 PM
I think the WW II comparison is a good area to explore. We won WW II for ONE REASON............. we pulled out all the stops and fought from a unified front. We were committed. We handicapped our enemy in every way imaginable. We NEVER considered political correctness, or enemies' rights. We rounded up foreigners from nationalities who attacked us and detained and/or monitored them to the point that we knew where they were and what they were doing. Now we're so afraid of hurting the feelings or violating the rights of foreigners in this country that we give em a free pass to assemble and conspire to kill us on our own turf. In period of the Second World War, Washington and the media weren't packed with liberal socialists who worried more about offending foreigners and foolish principles of ghost constitutional issues than of national security.

If we'd had the same bunch in government and the media that we have now, we'd all be speaking German or Japanese. It remains to be seen now whether our national language will become Spanish or some form of Arabic first.:mad:

Raceman
09-17-2006, 04:39 PM
Well, now we have found someone with a backbone!!!!!


This is true -- http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp)



Claim: A Michigan professor sent an e-mail telling Muslim students to leave the country.
Status: True.


Hooray for Michigan State University (The Spartans) and Professor Wichman!

Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of some people being able to dish it out, but not able take it. Let's start at the top. The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indrek Wichman.

Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were "hate speech". Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following:

Dear Moslem Association:

As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called "whores" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris, France.

This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many, many of my colleagues. I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile "protests". If you do not like the values of the West -- see the 1st Amendment -- you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option.

Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.

Cordially,
I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering

As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and discrimination for freshman. Now the Michigan chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion.

For its part, the university is standing its ground. They say the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended the e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.

How's the left going to handle this one? If you're in favor of the freedom of speech, as in the case of Ward Churchill, will the same protections be demanded for Indrek Wichman? I doubt it.

Hey folks, send this to your friends, and ask them to do the same. Tell them to keep passing it around until the whole country gets it. We are in a war. This political correctness crap is getting old.

mr.clean
09-17-2006, 04:44 PM
Apathy is the problem with this country.

Trikki1010
09-17-2006, 05:29 PM
To immigrate would conclude that one would assimilate themselves into an existing society and structure

Colonization is what is happening;) :mad:

tripledude2
09-17-2006, 10:08 PM
When I drink domestic beer, it's usually Miller in one form or another. I recently heard that Miller was throwing money into the immigration protests/parades in hopes of getting to the Hispanic consumers. They lost my money.

Reese
09-18-2006, 10:12 AM
Yea....what a great speech....from a Democrat no less.:eek:

Guess the only thing left to do is round up all dem dirty littly mexicans, japs, towel heads, and anyone that doesn't "conform" and ship them off to some backward, knuckle dragging, uneducated third world country.

Or.....

We can use all dem buses from the Katrina disaster to transfer all de undesirables. We can house dem in those thousands of unused Katrina trailers. Hey....what about Geogia....that state has lots of room and don't have much else going on????

After we get this all figured out we can then move on to other groups that we don't exactly care for....I think you guys are really on to something here.

Where do I sign up?

Raceman
09-18-2006, 11:40 AM
Guess the only thing left to do is round up all dem dirty littly mexicans, japs, towel heads, and anyone that doesn't "conform" and ship them off to some backward, knuckle dragging, uneducated third world country.


After we get this all figured out we can then move on to other groups that we don't exactly care for....I think you guys are really on to something here.

Reese, it's a shame that there's sarcasm in your post. If you were serious I think we could finally agree on something.;) I don't guess you've ever seen the old Rawhide western show on re-runs???? In the beginning, the trail boss, Gil Favor always said, "head 'em up......... move 'em out". I think it's way past time we did exactly that........ and then followed it up with another Tea Party to end this Robin Hood mentality in our tax system.

You may recall that the Boston Tea Party was all about "taxation without representation". For a large segment of our population we've now gotten into a situation of "representation without taxation". I've misplaced an old E mail about the reasons that all democracies are doomed to collapse. It lays out 5 stages of the collapse and the author believes we're in the next to final stage now..............apathy. The basic premise is that the non productive segment of the population will grow the fastest from reproduction as well as drawing formerly productive people in, and will soon learn that they can vote themselves a bigger and better free ride from the productive segment until the system implodes. I think we're headed straight in that direction, and the immigration mess may very well be the final nail in the coffin.

Reese
09-18-2006, 12:46 PM
Well.....it doesn't look like we will be agreeing on this topic either. Shipping off millions of folks because they don't "integrate" is not a very christian thing to do.

But hey....like I said.....why just stop at minorities? I'm sure there are millions of others who we could march onto those ships. I am sure, with time, we could put together a huge list of other "undesirables" that we could get rid of.

Achtung baby!!!

Rickracer
09-18-2006, 02:23 PM
...but many of the points made in that speech are true, whether we like em or not. I think it may be too late to turn any of it around, or if there is anyone with the ability to start turning it around, but if we don't find a way, we are pretty well doomed. Actually, our kids are the ones that will wind up paying the price for all of it. :(

swamppanther
09-18-2006, 02:29 PM
Well I will tell you that protecting our sovereignty is a Christian thing to do!
There are a lot of examples in the Bible of protecting one's homeland from
invaders and the consequinces of not.
Unfortunately globalism is on the march and our leadership is in lockstep
with it.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!

Raceman
09-18-2006, 03:48 PM
Well.....it doesn't look like we will be agreeing on this topic either. Shipping off millions of folks because they don't "integrate" is not a very christian thing to do.


So the "Christian thing" is to admit illegals, or at least let them remain once they sneak in, and let them plunder and pillage our economy? What an absurdity.:rolleyes:

I'm gonna say it again: If we learned ANYTHING from the disaster of slavery, it should be that dumping an impoverished and uneducated group into the general population with NO requirements or expectations can't have positive short term results. History proves it beyond a doubt. All these years later we're still struggling with discrimination issues and calls from some for reparations. What's the "Christian plan" for "integrating" (your term) all these illegals into the country so they won't be another anchor for social programs to drag.

Reese
09-18-2006, 04:57 PM
So the "Christian thing" is to admit illegals, or at least let them remain once they sneak in, and let them plunder and pillage our economy? What an absurdity.:rolleyes:


As a businessman, you undoubtedly understand the concept of "true costs".

Unfortunately, Americans don't care about true costs......they want a free lunch. The lunch was tasty when dem poor bastards were picking our fruit....and it tasted even better when they started building our homes.

We sure do love that cheap labor.

Fast forward to today.......dem bastards have got themselves a taste of the good life and don't want to go back to Mexico....the focken nerve of dem folks.

We made our bed....

jmg944t
09-18-2006, 06:54 PM
I see this as an American problem with no real religous connection. This is after all the country with freedom of any or no religon right? I feel I have an obligation to my grandparents legacy to leave this country as stable as they left it for me. Correct me if I am wrong but the culture that built this country into what it is today is no longer with us. Are new people more god serving than 50 years ago? Are they as hard working? Disciplined?

Please stop asking "WWJD?" and ask what your grandfather would do. Chances are Grandpa would have a more relevent opinion. You owe it to him.

mr.clean
09-18-2006, 06:54 PM
Look out America :eek: Raceman is coming after the brown people again! I guess the Jews,Fags and mentally disabled are next :rolleyes:

swamppanther
09-18-2006, 09:34 PM
Mr Clean, you're chasin the wrong rabbit ! Raceman knows what he is talking
about and when he makes a statement of truth,You twist it around &make him
the villain, You sound like you would fit in with the Clintons and Kerrys real
well (or your choice of liberals) ! I hope I'm wrong about you but that tactic
is Classic liberal B.S.

swamppanther
09-18-2006, 09:42 PM
If this country of ours loses it borders, culture and language, Then there will
be no country as we know it,
It is going to take alot of courage against the current political wind to have
a shot at saving this country and as long as nobody wants to offend the
offenders , it is not going to change!
If this country continues its secular p.c. trend, It is as good as gone!

mr.clean
09-18-2006, 10:13 PM
Mr Clean, you're chasin the wrong rabbit ! Raceman knows what he is talking
about and when he makes a statement of truth,You twist it around &make him
the villain, You sound like you would fit in with the Clintons and Kerrys real
well (or your choice of liberals) ! I hope I'm wrong about you but that tactic
is Classic liberal B.S.

Proud Republican my friend ;)

CDave
09-19-2006, 04:30 AM
Look out America :eek: Raceman is coming after the brown people again! I guess the Jews,Fags and mentally disabled are next :rolleyes:

Sounds to me like Raceman is going after people who have entered this country ILLEGALLY and take more in government services, THAT WE PAY FOR, than they give back.

That sounds like a logical thing to do to me.