1970 Allison Craft R-15/Twister II project: [Archive] - Scream And Fly Powerboat and High Performance Powerboating Discussion Forums

bridges

08-28-2006, 12:51 PM

Nice score scott...a red one 4 the red motor and a blue one 4 the blue motor, I like.

Thanks. Using a blue T-IIx cowl though. I'd actually like to be able to use the red boat as a test boat for a couple of other motors as well: a stacker, 1500 XS, etc. We'll see what happens...

Did you get another Allison? I heard that but wasn't sure. I haven't been on here much recently.

LakeRacer99

08-29-2006, 09:12 AM

Did you get another Allison? I heard that but wasn't sure. I haven't been on here much recently.

Na, I still have the 13 footer and 15 footer. I was looking for a Grand Sport to haul the family around in, but never pulled the trigger on anything, yet.

bridges

08-29-2006, 01:42 PM

A work in progress: :eek:

PARKER RABE

08-29-2006, 04:31 PM

scott ...how have u gotten , or kept all your stuff in such good condition,?? all your stuff looks brand new ? , is that cowl re stickered?

bridges

08-29-2006, 10:38 PM

scott ...how have u gotten , or kept all your stuff in such good condition,?? all your stuff looks brand new ? , is that cowl re stickered?

Well, I'll tell you: First, thanks a lot for the compliment! The red Allison was a lucky find, and it looks decent, but needs quite a bit of cleaning and polishing and cosmetics. My blue Ally has been kept indoors most of its life (still is), and it was owned by a friend for most of that time. He knew I wanted it since I was a kid, and he took good care of it for me--it really is like new. I cover it with sheets even inside.

My dad has kept the T-IIx covered for over 20 years in a garage corner, and those are original stickers. Most of the other cowls I have have been stored in his attic or out-of-the way places for long periods of time. He started collecting this stuff when all the racers were just throwing it away or selling it for nothing after V-6's took over.

The other reason the resto stuff looks good is because whenever we put something together, we take a lot of time making it look right and making it clean looking. Blocks get paint, some cowls get painted or touched up, etc.. in my mind, if you're gonna do something, do it right and make it look good.

I take care of what I have by covering it up, especially if its outside. For example: I have a "tar spot" 1976 1400 cowl that is on an old boat of mine and its been kept outside since 1989, but it still looks good because I always cover the motor with a bedsheet then a trash bag, then the whole boat under a tarp.

PARKER RABE

08-30-2006, 07:11 AM

man great work ....your stuff is some of the nicest, and cleanest ive ever seen . cant wait to see the allison with the t 2 x on it;)

CUSTOM PERFORMANCE 1

08-30-2006, 12:20 PM

The boat and motor that you have is REALLY NICE. Are you gonna use a T2 mid or a T2X mid? I am currently completing the rigging of my 16 Ally with a T2X. You will have alot of engineering ahead of you if you use a T2X mid. Trim ram is thru transom. You only get one shot at installation if you use the T2X mid. The T2 mid uses a 15" driveshaft and clamp brackets and will bolt onto the transom and use outside transom mounted trim rams. I raced a class in 73 and 74 in APBA called SV, Supermodified V Bottom. I ran a 16" Powercraft with an Evinrude Superstrangler. The fastest boat in the country was driven by Olegator, a 16" Allison with a T2, and set the kilo record around 97 mph. I understand that boat is in New York somewhere and is painted black and gold. Good luck and let me know if you need any help.:)

bridges

08-30-2006, 04:09 PM

Thanks, yours is looking great. We'll be using a T-II mid on a motorboard to the existing setback plate.

My blue one has a T-1 with no setback. It's truly the nicer one (of the two that I have), it's like new:

Raceman

08-30-2006, 04:25 PM

CP1's boat is really a SUPER NICE 16 footer. I had a shot at it BEFORE it went to Louisianna, (regrettably passede on it) and ended up with the 1500XS that was on it when it did. The finish on that boat was so good that I thought it had been either painted or clear coated, but it hadn't................ it was original.

I've spent a lot of time/effort with champ mids on 15 & 16 foot Ally's and I wouldn't consider doing it to one without a V6 powerhead. The T2's can be really finicky down low anyway, and when you take a champ mid & jamb the tuner in the water on a V bottom you may find it damn near impossible to get on top without a tug boat. The transom has to be cut down about 3 inches if I remember, and the trim ram on the old style mid has to come through the transom right dead even with the bottom of the wake well, which means butchering it all to pieces and putting a drop box of several inches in it too. The T2X is exactly 5 inches shorter than the T2 and that little bit of extra length solves most of the problems above.

CUSTOM PERFORMANCE 1

08-30-2006, 05:41 PM

Raceman, thanks for the kind words. The boat is not perfect, but it is pretty sweet. This is gonna be a challenge, but I have designed a mounting system for the T2X that sits outside the boat. I just could not cut up the transom or cut a 4" hole in it. I will now have about 14" of setback and about 5 inches of vertical adjustment. I am just gonna finish the thing and run it. I am sure there will be several other custom modifications that I will need, but that is the part that I really like, building something no one else has and duplicating a 30+ year old race boat. I have been fortunate to be able to collect most of the accessories needed along with spares, 3 powerheads, 3 SSM's and 14 props. I really look forward to burning up some fuel!!

Scott, I have seen pics of your 15 with the T1. That one is just AWESOME. I look forward to meeting up with you and running these old race boats!!! Will keep you posted.:D

PARKER RABE

08-30-2006, 06:43 PM

i need to get working on my ron jones , and get the tripple t1 back on it

Bruster

08-30-2006, 07:52 PM

This is gonna be a challenge, but I have designed a mounting system for the T2X that sits outside the boat. I just could not cut up the transom or cut a 4" hole in it. I will now have about 14" of setback and about 5 inches of vertical adjustment. I am just gonna finish the thing and run it. I am sure there will be several other custom modifications that I will need, but that is the part that I really like, building something no one else has :D

I've killed hours on the CAD designing several different mounts for my TII-XS. I'm thinking I'm going to have the one fabricated that sits the motor about 6" further back and brings the propshaft about 2" higher than my 15" mid. I've designed this so I can use a newer external SST trim cylinder and everything just bolts on, no thru holes.
I also have a 1/4" stainless steering mount drawn up to use my Sea Star hydraulic steering and some mods made for a shifting lower.:D

bridges

08-30-2006, 10:37 PM

CP 1: Did your boat come from Tennessee?

CUSTOM PERFORMANCE 1

08-31-2006, 07:39 AM

Scott, yes my boat did come from Tennessee, by way of Louisiana. I also need to get in touch with the original owner, Joe Harrell. If you have any contact info for him, please let me know.
Thanks, Duane:)

etnprop

08-31-2006, 08:09 AM

CP1, you can reach me at (865) 673-8171 or [email protected]. Would be happy to share any info I may have about your boat. Joe

CUSTOM PERFORMANCE 1

08-31-2006, 11:08 AM

Bruster, give me a call and I will help you with the mounting system for the twister.
Duane 772-341-4882:)

Yamaha 70 c

08-31-2006, 11:52 AM

Havent seen these Allisons before. What kind of engines do people usually run on these things?
And what speeds? Does people run them with small 3 cyl engines?

Raceman

08-31-2006, 12:48 PM

Havent seen these Allisons before. What kind of engines do people usually run on these things?
And what speeds? Does people run them with small 3 cyl engines?

These are basically obsolete raceboats from the 70's and possibly early 80's. Allison hasn't built em for a very long time. The molds still exist and a 13 footer is being built by someone in Florida who bought the molds from Allison. Last I heard, the 15' molds were still at Allison and for sale, and the 16 foot ones no longer exist.

Generally the 15 & 16 foot boats were run with inline 6 Mercs and a FEW V4 OMC's back then. There were also a few (including mine) rigged with V6's after their introduction in '76. The smaller than 15 foot Allys were run with 3 cyl OMC's and 3 & 4 cyl Mercs. That was when racing was fun, not exorbitantly expen$ive, and anybody who wanted to could buy a small Ally, an engine for the class of thier choice from their local dealer, and go find a race to enter somewhere. Those were the days.

Jeff_G

08-31-2006, 03:41 PM

What do you mean obsolete? I resemble that remark!:D

bridges

08-31-2006, 04:17 PM

Obsolete.....but COOL. Kind of like a '66 corvette! :D

4-MULA-V

08-31-2006, 07:07 PM

Any one know where I cand find a Twister 2 or 2-X cowling and T-2X midsection.

PARKER RABE

08-31-2006, 07:13 PM

good luck finding a nice cowl

Raceman

08-31-2006, 08:15 PM

What do you mean obsolete? I resemble that remark!:D

There's a lot of obsolete stuff around that in my opinion is better than what's available today............... Leaded premium gas at the pump, rear wheel drive American cars.............. I could go on.;)

swamppanther

08-31-2006, 09:34 PM

Please go on !!! I need to hear more about the good ole days!
It's kinda like fresh air.

Tom Smyth

09-01-2006, 08:38 AM

These are basically obsolete raceboats from the 70's and possibly early 80's. Allison hasn't built em for a very long time. The molds still exist and a 13 footer is being built by someone in Florida who bought the molds from Allison. Last I heard, the 15' molds were still at Allison and for sale, and the 16 foot ones no longer exist.

Generally the 15 & 16 foot boats were run with inline 6 Mercs and a FEW V4 OMC's back then. There were also a few (including mine) rigged with V6's after their introduction in '76. The smaller than 15 foot Allys were run with 3 cyl OMC's and 3 & 4 cyl Mercs. That was when racing was fun, not exorbitantly expen$ive, and anybody who wanted to could buy a small Ally, an engine for the class of thier choice from their local dealer, and go find a race to enter somewhere. Those were the days.

Rm - what type of speed could you get with an 850 Xs onthe smaller hull?

Know where i can find one ??

Thanks

smytty

Riverman

09-01-2006, 09:33 AM

There's a lot of obsolete stuff around that in my opinion is better than what's available today, rear wheel drive American cars.............. I could go on.;)Hey, they never really left....and the selection keeps on getting better!

baldad45

09-10-2006, 12:57 PM

What type of steering system are you going to use with the twisterII ? I've thought of doing this with a 14' Sidewinder Cobra ,but didn't want to get into a cable setup for a temporary setup.

Bruster

09-10-2006, 01:39 PM

There's a lot of obsolete stuff around that in my opinion is better than what's available today............... Leaded premium gas at the pump, rear wheel drive American cars.............. I could go on.;)

RM,
I'll take a new high perf car over one of the old ones, anyday. Mustang, Corvette, a few among dozens that are just hands down better cars. They drive better, they ride better, they start better, they last longer, they are faster, you don't have a nearly equal division of time under the hood & behind the wheel and so on and so forth. The "good ole days" with 11 & 12 second street Z-28's was big fun, but, by choice I'll never own another. Obsolete is what they are. IMO

Raceman

09-10-2006, 02:05 PM

What type of steering system are you going to use with the twisterII ? I've thought of doing this with a 14' Sidewinder Cobra ,but didn't want to get into a cable setup for a temporary setup.

All of the Merc mids prior to the 12 inch stuff can be run with conventional mechanical (ride guide type) steering. The list includes the BP's, Twister/Twister1/Twister2. Only the T2X like Custom Performance 1 is using on his on the first page of this thread would require cable/pulley systems, and even they can be rigged with mechanical with some custom fabrication. I believe it was WingNut who had a system made like that for a Champ mid on his former boat.

baldad45

09-10-2006, 04:58 PM

My TII mid has no steering arm, only a short stub .I suppose someone may have cut it off for whatever reason .I assumed they were all like that.

Bruster

09-10-2006, 08:32 PM

All of the Merc mids prior to the 12 inch stuff can be run with conventional mechanical (ride guide type) steering. The list includes the BP's, Twister/Twister1/Twister2. Only the T2X like Custom Performance 1 is using on his on the first page of this thread would require cable/pulley systems, and even they can be rigged with mechanical with some custom fabrication. I believe it was WingNut who had a system made like that for a Champ mid on his former boat.

I designed a steering bracket that bolts thru the upper exhaust housing mounting bolts and comes to about the same position in relation to the tilt tube as a standard mid steering arm does. Steering system bolts right up, well it should anyway. (:D

xskid

09-13-2006, 10:51 PM

my t2 mid also has a cut off steering arm. i thought someone cut it off, but the guy i got it from said he thinks they came like that. or it could just be a popular modification that they did back then.

xskid

09-13-2006, 10:54 PM

did the t2 and t2x powerhead have the same bolt pattern where it bolts to the mid sec.?

Mark75H

09-14-2006, 06:03 AM

did the t2 and t2x powerhead have the same bolt pattern where it bolts to the mid sec.? Yes .....

bridges

09-19-2006, 03:24 PM

What type of steering system are you going to use with the twisterII ? I've thought of doing this with a 14' Sidewinder Cobra ,but didn't want to get into a cable setup for a temporary setup.

Ride guide or some similar rack/pinion type. No open cable stuff. I'd like this boat to be more of a test boat for the various engines; T2x, 1500XS, 1250 BP, 1350 stacker, etc.

LakeRacer99

11-17-2006, 11:37 AM

Hey Scott...I see this one has some pretty decent decals on it. Would you mind taking a close up shot of one, so I can use it to make a dxf file to have some remade? Both my 69 Allys have the same decal, but both are pretty faded.
Did you replace the decals on your Blue one? I was thinking it was a 69 also.

Thanks,
Jason
[email protected]

raymar

11-17-2006, 04:00 PM

Raceman

11-17-2006, 05:49 PM

Raceman<
Many years ago I was told the 16 ft. Allison molds were bought by Lanny Loman. I don't know if he or the molds either still exist. Maybe someone on this site can shed some more light on the subject. I would love to see the 16 footer reproduced.:cool:

I was told by a very credible source that Paul didn't ever really like the 16' boat, thinking it was too flighty with the "wings" under the deck at the front, and cut the 16' molds up and scrapped em, while saving the smaller boats. Larry Register in Fla. has the 13's and was thinking about MAYBE buying the 15's last time I talked to him, which was a couple of years ago at least. As far as I know, the 15's are still in the possession of Paul Allison and the 16's are long gone.

Jeff_G

11-18-2006, 09:20 AM

As far as I know all of the T-II motors came with the steering bars cut off. BUT there is a picture of a C-6 I posted on another thread that has Ride Guide. Maybe one of the guys from Mercury can help?

hrdrk

12-28-2011, 06:16 PM

I knew the man who owned that 16 allison kilo record holder it was always great seeing an hearing him run up and down the river he fliped it then went with a very HiPro v6 merc racing set up by Dick Sandarg here on Long Island when Frank died my buddy got first dibs on the boat but he went fro the 20' hydrostream frank also had then

Inline Six

01-04-2012, 12:52 AM

What ever happened with this boat? Any new pics?

hrdrk

01-04-2012, 09:35 AM

Don't really know never seen it on the river again anyone else know what might have happened to that kilo record 15' Allison? I also have a 20" Allison but the guy stiffed me with the paper work and I don't see any numbers on the boat at all any help here either?
THANKS

hrdrk

01-12-2012, 09:35 AM

Never seen it again no pics :(

baldad45

01-12-2012, 07:09 PM

What is happening with the "Bridges project boat" ?

25ss

01-18-2012, 02:25 AM

Here are some pics of the black one i took at Clayton years ago.
Jim Hunt was there and he said it was one of the best boats he ever had.
Dale

PARKER RABE

01-22-2012, 09:07 PM

i have pics of this boat when it was NEW blue and black

mariah2

01-22-2012, 09:10 PM

i have pics of this boat when it was NEW blue and black

Postum up.

raymar

03-28-2012, 12:20 PM

baldad45,
Although this is my son's post I will answer it; Bridges (my son) has been involved in expansion in another state. The R-15 Allison is on hold right now but will have the 1350 stacker
installed after the boat has some cosmetic work done.

baldad45

03-28-2012, 01:17 PM

Looking forward to seeing that ,thanks for the update. Glen

Inline Six

03-28-2012, 03:03 PM

That's too bad, I wanted to see it finished. Mine is almost done, its green and while and I rebuilt it all two winters ago. Still haven't found time to rig it so I know how that feels.

hrdrk

03-29-2012, 07:42 AM

Like I said the last time I saw this boat was on the Forge River on Long Island and at that time it hade a worked V6 Merc on it set up by a guy named Dick Sandarg he also had a 100mph Side Winder

milkdud

04-04-2012, 09:08 PM

On the starter side of that Twister what is the pump looking thing with good sized hozes going to it?

Mark75H

04-04-2012, 10:22 PM

On the starter side of that Twister what is the pump looking thing with good sized hozes going to it?

Fuel enrichening solenoid

bridges

09-10-2013, 10:57 AM

I have some new pics of the stacker mounted on the Allison, but I can't get the files to upload.

Dave S

09-10-2013, 07:25 PM

I think it was Rich sandog....not sure of the spelling.... He had a 15 footboat with a T2 running 100s or so....Used to show up at Jones beach time trials... was the fastest but that has been ??? by Jimbo that ran a stream...... Hot boat had a pix of it..... Crusing Jamaica bay at 100......Round 1978.....He then had a V6 on a stream ...... went to Maine. boat race with Mr. Ted and bunch.....It was too ruff for the H streams.....A guy from CA showed up with these boats called elimatators I think.....He ran Rudes and cleand clock.....Stroker????????

99fxst99

09-15-2013, 08:53 PM

On the starter side of that Twister what is the pump looking thing with good sized hozes going to it?

Fuel enrichening solenoid

No, the fuel solenoid is right next to the starter, with the small "weed eater" hoses running to each carb. I think the thing you are talking about, with wing nuts on it, is some sort of connection point, and the two "hoses" running into it are the fuel line and the electrical harness.

Mark75H

09-15-2013, 10:04 PM

On the starter side of that Twister what is the pump looking thing with good sized hozes going to it?

No, the fuel solenoid is right next to the starter, with the small "weed eater" hoses running to each carb. I think the thing you are talking about, with wing nuts on it, is some sort of connection point, and the two "hoses" running into it are the fuel line and the electrical harness.

You are correct, I knew they were the power & control wires and the fuel lines, so I ignored them. The pump looking thing is just a plastic cover over the connections

bridges

07-22-2014, 10:20 AM

Nearly 8 years later, the project has taken a different direction, and the Allison has a Stacker on it. We're planning to get it in the water within a few weeks. Dad (raymar) spent a lot of time rebuilding the boat floor, seat box and the engine of course. It's not finished cosmetically, and there are a couple of minor bugs to work out but it's getting close. I'll post more pics as I can

301972

PARKER RABE

07-22-2014, 08:40 PM

Scott , lets see more!:)

baldad45

07-24-2014, 09:04 AM

Is this the 1350 with the modified transfer ports ?

littledcsrodshop

07-30-2014, 12:12 PM

Awesome looking project !! I'm subscribed.. :thumbsup:

bridges

08-07-2014, 11:59 AM

Yes it is.

PARKER RABE

08-10-2014, 12:24 PM

C mon Scott , lets see some more pics:)

bridges

11-25-2015, 09:13 PM

Sunburnt

11-25-2015, 11:51 PM

C'mon Dr. Scott, Get with it! Parked as she is next to the car, I thought she had a capsule..

T2x

11-30-2015, 06:06 PM

Okay, so I ran the Ally/Stacker setup in Sep of 2014. My hearing has only just now returned. I'm planning on posting the vids on Youtube and sharing the link here. I should have done it sooner, but I promise I wont wait another year to do it!

You are only about 4 hours away from Roger H.... Bring that bad boy to Tavares in March and join the fun.