black box recorder in all new cars 2008...bul!@#&!!

[stvhelm]

http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/whos-watching/20060816150109990001

what next?:rolleyes:

[1BadAction]

paranoid liberal/moron/aol conspiricy theory. what are they going to ticket you for 200mph over the speed limit when the gps glitches and reads 255mph? LOL About rental companies doing it... well yea, but the key difference being, you do not have personal privacy when it is THEIR CAR. they can do with their cars as they want.

big companies and teh government is da devil!11!! :rolleyes:

[pyro]

If you're not driving stupid or drunk, then what do you have to worry about?

[transomstand]

Like the article says, GM has had data recorders for years, but only a factory engineer could access the data. The data was targeted for the SRS system, probably to protect against lawsuits. It could be used for other things, but it would require a release from GM, because it involves proprietary knowledge.

Pete

[CDave]

Find the box and cover it in lead or some other material to stop outside transimisons/recieving.
Don't worry, it is ILLEGAL for anyone to remotely monitor you with a device in YOUR vehicle, without a warrent.

[Raceman]

Don't worry, it is ILLEGAL for anyone to remotely monitor you with a device in YOUR vehicle, without a warrent.

Yeah, right.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[1BadAction]

Even if monitoring would happen (it never will) the fact remains, that electronics are flawed... if you know you are going for a top speed run in your shiny new 2010 vette, just unplug the damn gps antenna. "oops sorry, it was cloudy outside" :D

[msc5195]

Find the box and cover it in lead or some other material to stop outside transimisons/recieving.
Don't worry, it is ILLEGAL for anyone to remotely monitor you with a device in YOUR vehicle, without a warrent.



YES, it is ILLEGAL but hey will cover their ass. What you dont relize is that when you buy the new car you will sign away all your privacy rights in the fine print of the many papers that you will sign.

A friend of mine went to our local Chevrolet dealer to purchase a new truck. He wrote them a check and they wanted him to sign some type of release form that would prevent him from sueing them for any reason without going through an Arbitrator first. He refused to sign and they refused to sell so he went elsewhere to buy his new 45,000.00 truck

[transomstand]

what are they going to ticket you for 200mph over the speed limit when the gps glitches and reads 255mph?

GPS is never wrong!!!!

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5289/gps3mj.jpg

[Stitch King]

Like the article says, GM has had data recorders for years, but only a factory engineer could access the data. The data was targeted for the SRS system, probably to protect against lawsuits. It could be used for other things, but it would require a release from GM, because it involves proprietary knowledge.

Pete

This is exactly what it's for. In the event of a crash the "Black Box" is recording data such as what gear the trans is in, was the ABS working, how fast at impact and steering wheel position. Just like the box in planes it is for recreating the event and not for use in a police state. At least not yet.

Gotta go, heading for the bunker now because I hear the Black UN helicopters. I think they are monitoring this too. :eek:

[The Big Al]

Like the article says, GM has had data recorders for years, but only a factory engineer could access the data. The data was targeted for the SRS system, probably to protect against lawsuits. It could be used for other things, but it would require a release from GM, because it involves proprietary knowledge.

Pete

In a vehicle death, insurance and investigators can access the SIM records.

It's just like the SIM in the Motorola control unit on outboards.

SIM: System Information Monitor

All GM vehicles have it built after 1999

Cadillac has had it for a long time.

Personally If they ever do come out with one, I would take the vehicle to a dyno and let it run WOT for about 30 min.
Then let them download it! HA HA that would blow their mind!

[1BadAction]

Gotta go, heading for the bunker now because I hear the Black UN helicopters. I think they are monitoring this too. :eek:
you dont need to do that bro, just put on your tinfoil hat so they cant scan your thoughts. :D :rolleyes:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/paulbubel/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[transomstand]

But......You can't hear the Black Helicopters, because they're silent:eek:

[CDave]

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html

[Ted Stryker]

What pitch prop are you running, rpm, tuner, etc... My hat's off...

[robert jordan]

what about all the sattilites in the skys taking pics of every thing we do and every intersection has a video cam. on it. we are being watched more than you think. it is just scarry!

[transomstand]

What pitch prop are you running, rpm, tuner, etc... My hat's off...

I can't post in public, I don't want Warby catching up:eek:

Pete

[brettster98]

the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that the lawers and mostly insurance companys are the ones to gain the most.. say your in an accident you and some t bones you (while you were accellerating)you end up with neck injury the insuance company goes into black box now they want to find you 50% at fault for the accident just for having your foot on the gas not the brake...

[INXS]

If you're not driving stupid or drunk, then what do you have to worry about?

I agree, I'm sure that they will give you a certain margin of error before you get a ticket. Too bad they willn't save the tax-payer money if they go to this system as the police union would fight anything that threathens their jobs, even if it would save lives! You know they spend a lot of money, cars, gas and patrolmen, which this could help reduce the need for. That into account that I'm thinking of NJ. I don't think this would be needed as much in less populated states. NJ has a problem with speeders in conjested areas. This would also cut insurance rates. Maybe if the driver allows the box they could give them a cheaper rate?

[1BadAction]

whats safer, doing 45mph on a 55mph road that the traffic is moving 10mph, or doing 90 on a 70mph road where there is little or no traffic? how about 90 on the highway going with the flow of traffic in that area, or doing 50 in the passing lane when everyone else is doing 90? :rolleyes:

thats why it'll never happen. technology is never ALWAYS correct, and road conditions are constantly changing.

[The Big Al]

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html

LMAO!!!!

[Lockjaw]

First of all, I think On star is similar. Oh they make it out to be this great and wonderful thing if you have an accident, or lock your keys in the car, but, if they can unlock it, then they can also turn it off. If they can find you to tell the police where you are when you wreck, they can tell the police where they are if they are looking for you.

I wouldn't have an on star vehicle for nothing.

Having that would have to be an unlawful search and seizure, and you better believe I would remove it somehow.

As for this " if you aren't breaking the law then why worry about it" question, the same applies to everything else. How about, if you aren't breaking the law, then you don't need a hand gun? How about since the speed limit is 70 mph, why do you need a Vette?

This country was founded on freedom, and being constantly monitored isn't freedom

YOu know what would impress me? Take all this so called wonderful technology, and use it to find Osama, and to track pedifiles, and when they get close to a kid, shock the ever loving snot out of them.

Our society is lulled into a state of pacifism and as long as their desparate housewives comes on, and their Tivo works, then they don't care. Until something happens to them directly. Then all of a sudden, it is a big deal.

And I got news for you, a dyno won't do anything to the GPS speed. It will read zero unless you are moving.

[Stitch King]

Lockjaw,

You are right about Onstar. It's the first step on a slippery slope. Yes they have set up this system to be a convenience to the public and their radio ads make sure we know that. However what they do not tell you is the system is tapped into the multiplexed systems of the automobile. Depending on how many busses it's tapped into will determine the level of "reach" onstar has in your vehicle. They don't advertise that info and we probably don't want to know.

All others,

Note that the black boxes are not transmitters and are not mandatory. The ruling on Monday By NHTSA was that by 2010 the devices must be more durable and that all automakes must collect the same data. Automakes must also include notification in the owners manual that their vehicles have black boxes.

Currently Toyota installs them on all new models, GM and Ford installs them on almost all and DCX on about half. The idea is to have a SAE standard for the information and its retreival. The same thing happened when ECM's had to go to the OBDII format.

The reason the automakers are willing to do this is to aid them in the onslaught of product liability lawsuits and outrageous awards. Look at what happened to Ford with the Explorer tires. No one was able to assure that the tires were inflated to proper pressure when they blew out. With a system like this the info will be stored and would show if the driver was flying down the freeway at 90mph with tires inflated to 10lbs instead of the recommended 32lbs on a 90 degree day. We all know that Low pressure+high temp+high speed=delamination. With facts like these now available it would be hard for a jury to levy heavy fines like they have in the past.

WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH IS......In the ruling Monday clear guidance was not established as to who can access the system and when. So yes we all have a right to be paranoid.

Folding the tinfoil now, crawling back into the lead lined bomb shelter.:rolleyes:

[Stitch King]

Just read a post from Wildman on the 300xs where he was dealing with what sounds like a multiplexed system.

Even the old level analog ECUs collected rpm/time info and had diagnostic capability, but it sounds as if Merc is switching to full digital. This will give the ecu's the ability to collect and efficiently store even more data.

What's next???????Black boxes and Onstar for boats?

[Lockjaw]

I am just here to tell you, if you think these new engines aren't logging everything, you are crazy.

What I found interesting when I bought my then new silverado in 2000, was the ecu limited engine rpm until so many miles were on the engine. Not sure what the exact amount was, all I know is I had more then 500 on it, and stood on it and it upshifted out of 1st at 4500 rpms or so. So they do use the capability to ensure their stuff is broken in right.

The really sad thing is, due to utter stupidity, and lack of accepting responsibility for their actions, these Darwin rejects and their attorneys have made life suck for the rest of us.

[CDave]

Cat diesels record alot of info too. A buddy of mine use to work at a Cat dealership. He told me a customer came in with blown head gaskets and wanted it fixed under warrenty.
He asked the guy, have ya ever run it hot. The guy said, No.
Then he showed the guy the computer read out that showed he had overheated it, how long he ran it overheated, how hot it got and what day he did it on.:eek: :cool:

[Lockjaw]

That right there is a case of someone saying "screw it, its under warranty". I guess he found out the hard way.

Still, that again is a case where a bad appple ruins things for the rest of us. Just like the stupid woman who spilled hot coffee from McDonalds and then sued them. DUH!!! Coffee is supposed to be hot. Put a hot beverage between your legs in a styrofoam cup, and then squeeze, its gonna spill.

Man I would LOVE to be on a jury for something like that. It might be 11 to 1 in favor of the plaintiff, and I would be sitting there going, If you think I am going to award money to that person for being a dumb anus, think again.

Then I would use Super Bash's smilie!! :D