Gun control in Australia

[Raceman]

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures
from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides
are up 6.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

[delawarerick]

DC our nations capital has the strictest gun laws yet murder by guns is up 112% from last year. Take them from the honest man and the crooks will be the only ones withum. Gun control is using 2 hands:D Rick

[Lockjaw]

What kills me is we have laws on the books to punish people who break the laws with guns, yet it is much easier to bash the law abiding citizen and take his guns.

Guess what, I have owned and "assault weapon" for over 10 years, and still haven't killed anyone.

I think I would have to make me one heck of a potato gun or something if I lived there. Believe me I would find a way to take care of business. Then let them figure it out.

[RBT]

The Canadian Liberal government spent 2 billion dollars on a gun regestry........Criminals don't register guns.
And now the cops know where the guns are...... so it won't be long before the criminals know too.
They just made it safer for the criminals ( there only gamble now is that the guy broke the law too, and didn't register )

Gun crime in Toronto has doubled in a year...... and the Liberals think it is because they cannot find good jobs........

Thanks god, the Conservatives are now in power!.

RT

BTW, an Armed society is a polite society.

[Raceman]

My favorite bumper sticker of all time is the one that somebody posted here a while back that says:

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.

[CDave]

What gets me is people don't seem to grasp what the word criminal means. Let's see they are criminals because they DON'T obey the law. So what makes people think they will obey gun laws?

[Ted Stryker]

Anyone who believes that Gun Control works, is a flaming Phukking moronic idiot... I say that it needs to be mandatory that every household has a firearm, and someone qualified to use it... Give it 3 years and see what the Home burglury rate does... I can relate Lockjaw, have had bunches and bunches of Firearms in my life and haven't killed anyone yet but I'm working on it...

[Lockjaw]

I don't need a gun to fix somebody up good if they come in my house, that's for sure. I could make my own projectile lauching device, and I just gotta believe a potato gun would seriously get someone's attention, especially if you hit them in the beans.

We had a thing down here called project ICE, which was a mandatory 5 years if you got caught committing a crime with a gun. You talking about getting someone's attention, that did. I don't think they do it anymore though.

The bottom line is you have got to put the criminal in jail when they use a gun, and what is so sad is most people really don't understand what freedom really is. Freedom means I can do whatever I want as long as I don't harm anyone, and when I do, then you punish me, not before.

[jmg944t]

Freedom means I can do whatever I want as long as I don't harm anyone, and when I do, then you punish me, not before.

A GREAT description! Although just because you harm someone doesn't mean you have to get into trouble. Here in NH I can't shoot you in my yard unless you are threatening me with an object. I can't shoot you in my house unless you are threatening me. I would tend to view anyone in my house uninvited as a threat and fire away. From what I have read in the state laws it seems legal to use "deadly force" in my house with little provocation. See? No punishment if they have it coming:D Across the border in Massachusettes I would be expected to jump out the second story window to escape an intruder before shooting:eek: It is hard to get a handgun permit and damn near impossible to carry concealed in Mass, at least compared to NH.

[Raceman]

Anyone who believes that Gun Control works, is a flaming Phukking moronic idiot... I say that it needs to be mandatory that every household has a firearm, and someone qualified to use it... Give it 3 years and see what the Home burglury rate does... I can relate Lockjaw, have had bunches and bunches of Firearms in my life and haven't killed anyone yet but I'm working on it...

I've posted this before Kevin, but Kennesaw Georgia (suburb of Atlanta) did exactly that in the 70's after a rash of burglaries that they couldn't stop. The crime statistics, which had been high even for the Atlanta area, fell off the map almost overnight. Of course as the liberals crept back into city government, the local statute was reversed and the crime went back to about average. Revolving door prisons and rehabilitation programs do NOTHING for crime prevention....................... REAL risks for criminals do.

Georgia is just now struggling with a new deadly force law. Basically it's been legal here to use it only if someone feels their life is threatened, and then they must first try to retreat. Under the new law, which hasn't passed yet (but hopefully will) a person has the right to stand his ground and may use a weapon for protection if he fears for his safety, or that of his family. The law also extends to businesses now, and if I understand the current law from recent news commentaries, it's about where you've gotta be shot at first in a business before you can shoot back. It's about time the law quit being tilted toward criminal's rights and focussed on the rights of law abiding citizens.

[Ted Stryker]

RM, I've always said that I'm gonna worry about surviving unharmed first and worry about our $hi++y Liberal laws second... I still just don't understand why Liberals want to flaw ANYTHING that works, I really don't get it... If someone breaks into my home and threatens my Family, they had better hope that I shoot them in the head... The other alternative for them is that I incapacitate them and keep then in the back room as a starved and tortured captive for weeks or months... Protection for someones family is first and paramount, but there is something to be said about revenge also...;)

[v6guy]

Gun control in my neighborhood means being able to hit the bulls-eye with every shot. It is my personal belief that every honest, real American's duty is to be proficient in handling their weapons with absolute confidence, knowing them inside and out. All of the so-called legislators and congressmen are trying to convince all of the brain-dead idiots that guns are the problem. Adolf Hitler registered, then confiscated their weapons - and everybody lived happily ever after! RIGHT? After reading the other posts on this subject, does anyone read and study the Constitution and our Bill of Rights? As far as I can see, they are still in place and still stand as written. I would like to add that any laws written that do not follow the constitutional guidelines are null and void on there face, and to be viewed as non existent. The laws (i.e. real law) are in place for the law breakers, not the law keepers. If ever America allows itself to be disarmed, what little freedom and liberty that is left will be gone forever. "When the people fear the Government there is tyranny, when the Government fears the people, there is liberty."

"WE HAVE RIGHTS ANDECEDENT TO ALL EARTHLY GOVERNMENTS., RIGHTS THAT CANNOT BE REPEALED OR RESTRAINED BY HUMAN LAWS; RIGHTS DERIVED FROM THE GREAT LEGISLATOR OF THE UNIVERSE."
John Adams

"The most pernicious form of tyranny is that which disguises itself as a benefactor to its victims." Robert L. Schulz

And I will close with this: America is a Republic! Is there anyone old enough to remember "The Pledge of Allegiance?"

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

If anyone is interested in learning more about real liberty, please see:
givemeliberty.org

[SCT]

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun." RM

Norris, the latest version of that bumber sticker is- "Ted Kennedy's car and his nephew's golfclubs have killed more people than my gun!"

[Trikki1010]

Laws ONLY work,

If you are a Law Abiding Citizen;)

If the liberals spent more time worrying about the homeowner instead of the criminals, we would have less problems.

I forget where it was quoted, by the downfall of the legal (prison system) started when they ceased public hangings at the turn of the century. At least you knew the "Cause-Effect" of a crime:cool:

Nothing like watching somebody swinging in the town square to make you think twice about committing a crime.

I know the "swinging prison door" and "Rehab programs" has done NOTHING but to make prison a home for juvenile delinquents:mad:

WHATS TO BE AFRAID OF ABOUT COMMITTING A CRIME, THREE SQUARES AND AN EDUCATION:confused: :rolleyes:

[northeastcat]

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures
from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides
are up 6.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.



I wonder just how good Australian government feels about themselves right now. More americans need to know about the consequences of gun laws and gun control and the facts that it will kill more innocent people then it will save. It amazes me that a law such as that actually passed and was followed through with. I wonder how long it will go before they turn it around and give back the right to bear arms.

[riebie]

I might be wrong, but is it not fact that in every country that has passed gun control laws, the crime rate has gone up. Why does this fact not have any effect on the trend to rob law abiding citizens of their right to protect themselves and their family? The criminal justice system still works on the behalf of the criminal and not the victims. It's next to impossible to have anyone put in jail, even for violent crimes. Makes you wonder about the agenda of the politicians, doesn't it?

[jeffbare]

Poor Poor aussies, I would love to sit in on one of thier governmental meetings discussing the issue.

[Cobalti]

All it will take is a phone call some money and a place to meet. The choice is limited to what is available at the time, but will most always be better than what our police carry. They (police) are lobbieing for an upgrade of their own out of date and under powered side arms. I don't see the point, as they have a lifetime of paperwork, possible court action and punishment if they use them even in self defence. Soon they will be "pleasing" them over the megaphone quietly so as not to upseat the naighbours too much :rolleyes: . There will always be those that will argue that somethig should have been done to save the poor idiot's life (that was charging with the knife etc.).

If I was to be caught owning a hand gun, even in a safe at home, or at the restaurant, the penalties are severe. Then again this is a land where a burgler could sue you for tripping on your property and hurting himself through a robbery. I guess the only choice would be to kill them and plead temporary insanity...

The whole thing is total BULL S@#T!!!

Do not let it happen to you!! Fight it to the end!! Don't let those new age sensitive fa@@ots wreck your freadom to protect yourself!!

Take away the guns from the law abiding citizens of your country, and only the criminals will have them!! It doesn't get any sympler than that!

To this day I do not for the life of me understand how our government got away with the most stupidest and costlyest action against it's population, over a crime/massacre that was caused in Tasmania by a madman with "illegally purchased" fire arms anyway. As RM has shown with his article, nothing has improved since!

Would you belive I have 3 spud guns, one is a double barrel, and they too are totally illegal????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: