STV or Not STV ??

[Trikki1010]

I know we have piled this discussion on before. Splash/no Splash

Alot of people splash hulls, not being critical of singles, one offs or restoration rebuilds....

But I personally DO draw the line (not that you care) when you place the registered trademark of a licensed business currently in production.

LPB - If you want to splash STV's be my guest, but call them something besides a Lightning STV River Rocket. Your trying to suck off the name and an existing business...

I saw the post where you listed your popped "LPB STV River Rocker" AND saw where Wally posted the Real Deal STV and you deleted the post:mad:

How does it make ya feel when you iggy the guy who REALLY owns title and license to the name and molds :mad:

Basically, isn't that liable for stealing his business by using his name:confused:

[beer30]

Buddy pop a top, and relax.;) Everybody knows about Lightning Powerboats.:rolleyes: Chuck.

[jphii]

He can't delete someone else's post. Only the poster or the mods can do that. Don't put that one on him. Personally I could care less about splashes using a "name", if the manufacturer doen't make an issue of it.

Like WTripp says, just my .02.

[Trikki1010]

He can't delete someone else's post. Only the poster or the mods can do that. Don't put that one on him. Personally I could care less about splashes using a "name", if the manufacturer doen't make an issue of it.

Like WTripp says, just my .02.

NOT TRUE,

John started the post, HE deleted it. The originator of a post can delete the entire post. It was then reposted without Triad's ad.:mad:

John didn't like the legal owner diving into his splash business

Fair is fair;)

[jphii]

Ah, didn't know he deleted the whole thing, my bad.

[Rusrog]

I posted on this thread for someone to fill me in but that post didn't last long.

Feel free to PM me with the details... We will see how long this one lasts.

[Riverratt]

I posted on this thread for someone to fill me in but that post didn't last long.

Feel free to PM me with the details... We will see how long this one lasts.
yours is still there. You posted on this thread
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100386

[Rusrog]

by Wally Lamkin didn't get deleted by some of the ADMINS of this board. If a post by the true builder of these boats got pulled and some no-count theif is albe to sponsor the board.... Well.... that tells me all I need to know.

Somebody fill me in... I'm just dying to know what happened...

Russ Rogers

[Rusrog]

yours is still there. You posted on this thread
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100386


Good deal... My bad then.

[Scream And Fly]

Russ, we did not delete any posts by Wally. Wally's post was a reply to LPB's thread. LPB removed his thread and therefore the entire post went with it. We end up taking a lot of blame for removed threads when people can't find the posts in them. :)

Anyway, I do agree with Rick - my opinion is that the boats should not be called STV.

Greg

[STV Tunnel]

Thats kinda funny......I HAVE an STV made by Roarke himself, but everyone WANTS to call it some other type of boat.....


Kinda the reverse splash scenario........



Only on the internet.........

[Trikki1010]

STV Tunnel,

I may bust your horns, but you have an original LTV, made prior to Roark going out on his own.

That is NOT the same thing as what is going on here.

LPB is just leaching off the STV name by using it AND bleeding off some business from a legitimate company.....TRIAD, who OWNS the rights to the name and original molds....

ALSO,

LPB may offer these to us as a splash, but what happens when the boat is resold ??? Is it an STV to the owner, or will he sell it to someone unsuspecting that it IS a pop

[Trikki1010]

MY TITLE's SAY LIGHTNING POWER BOATS ,NOT TRIAD BOATS !!!

Nice try JOHN,

Your advertisement says "Lightning STV River Rocket"

Being that "STV River Rocket" is ALREADY taken by a legitimate company who paid for the rights to use that name....you are stealing:mad:

It fills the world with Fake STV's. I don't want to drive countless ours to buy a used STV, just to find out it is an LPB STV, which really doesn't exist.:mad:

Like I have said in the splash thread, Drop the STV and I'll leave you alone. You're ONLY selling them because they are cheaper copies of the original and you are living off that fame:mad:

[RBT]

Here is the response to the LPB post, I have the entire post in word, but cannot get it to post.
I guess the truth hurts so here is Wally's response.








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[Rusrog]

BUT YOUR OPINION IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT TO ME TO CHANGE MY COMPANY ! aND AS LONG AS lightning goes IN FRONT OF "stv" It is LEGAL,I did not make the LAW ,and it was not made for me ,but it is the LAW !
john

First of all... IT IS ILLEGAL... What don't you understand about that???!!!??? The only reason your crap is not cut up in a dumpster is because Wally Lamkin has not taken the time to pursue the legalities of the deal. YOUR BOATS ARE ILLEGAL COPIES! Go ask the guy who was making Patriot copies of Allisons. See what he has to say about it. Your a theif and a scam artist. Period. If Wally wasn't out there building new innovative hulls, refining the current models and pushing our sport(well... and giving you something else to copy) he could legally end your production. If I had any money I would finance the deal and I would gladly donate to anyone who did. There's a good idea... hmmmmm Anyone else want to join me?

Secondly... Nothing personal here Greg but...

I think it does an injustice to the sport, to legal boat builders, & to your website to perpetuate the illegal copying of copyrighted hulls. You allow him to advertise them... That perpetuates his income and his blatant plagerism of a quality product. Your website, while I enjoy it, is an instrument to that goal.

Russ Rogers
Ft Worth TX.

[RBT]

Wow russ WELL said!

[Trikki1010]

Wow russ WELL said!

Ditto that Russ :cool:

My personal opinion, and Greg will speak for himself, LPB didn't start out with the STV/HST thing, the "Fliver" got him into the fold. This was added to the mix afterwards.

Legal Disclaimer:
The purpose of this thread, IS BY NO MEANS to be construed as a critique of S&F or it's assignees. This is about LPB robbing people within our ranks and trade copyright infringement...:mad:

[RBT]

you got that right Trikki.

And thanks Greg, keep up the great work!.

It would be nice though if we could rid ourselves of bottom feeders like LPB.
He is a theif and is prowd of the fact.

RT

[FLMIRAGE]

Caution, Caution, This thread will detonate in 5-4-3-2..........:p :p

[Trikki1010]

BUT YOUR OPINION IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT TO ME. It is LEGAL,I did not make the LAW ,and it was not made for me ,but it is the LAW ! Im pretty sure you won't be mistaken when you go to buy your next REAL STV,since I have only built 13 LIGHTNING STV's,thats not very many compared to the hundreds of real STV's out there ! john

I guess it's, in your words, legal UNTIL YOU GET CAUGHT. That's what I would refer to a cockroach. YOU KNOW, if Wally took you to court. LPB would stand for Life in Prison Bubba

I'm not worried about me, I know what to look for. Someone ELSE, on the otherhand, might not be so fortunate.:mad:

Hmmmmm, does that mean you owe Wally royalty payment for the 13 that you sold using his licensed design and name ?????

[RBT]

No I don't think it will!.
This is a reasonable thread, people are standing up for the right things here. There is no reason to end that. It is a good thing, yes he maybe a sponsor, so was blackbird and Greg always does the right thing. ( or at least trys )

RT

[Casey]

russ you pretty much summed it up :D

[Ripper]

Isn't it any differant for Mercury motor after market stuff too??? How many guys build and sell something for a Mercury motor on this site that may be similiar to the Mercury patent... I don't know either one of these guys, but I look at it like if Wally wants to call John out then let him do it and not everyone else... Just my thoughts... Probably wrong like usual, but none the less, my .02

I would like to see both companies keep up the good work! I wish I could afford either of them...

Ripper

[RBT]

The funny part is LPB overcharges for the crap he sells. I have encountered quite a few of them.... scary. I guess you get what you pay for.
Add that they have NO resale value.
But the real issue here is that the uninformed consumer who has heard of STV might mistakenly buy your junk as opposed to the real deal.

RT

[JIM5656]

If your so sure Im breaking the law I think you should get the money and come after me ,or like you say start a collection !Then will all know what I know now !
As far as patroit boat there pattented parts on the the bottom of a allision,thats why hes got shut down!
as far as WALLY'sNEW inovated hulls that must be the dxr or what ever he calls it ,cause from what I see the STV looks exactly the same as Rourk built it !I could be wrong ,but I havent seen any changes,unless you want to count his bolt on strakes and other planning parts !!

Im so glad im the only Spasher on SAF,or should I say Im the only SPLASHER that is not afraid to say I build a splash !When you deside to come after me made sure you get enought money to get the rest of my friends !
Quatershot,Liberator,Spectre,Motion,Osbourn,,It just Kills me how Stupid some people are and one sided,
I hear nothing but great things About " Quatershot Boats",Which in FACT every thing he has built is a SPLASH,,every 18' T1,T2,T3,and T4 has come out of the same hull mold I sold jack many years ago,yes he has made changes in MY old mold ,and yes he has built new different decks,but the fact is he started and up until just a few months ago, built every boat he built out of my old molds ,the differnce being he dosen't get on here and try to sell his boats and admit what it is !And Don't get me wrong JACK is my friend and A GREAT GUY ,and builds a GREAT BOAT !But still a pop !!

Russ Save your money ,your going to need alot to come after me ! I guess thats why Wally has so much more than you ,He knows What Im doing isn't affecting him at all ,I've built 13 LIGHTNING STV's ,Wallys Booked for all of 2006 ,so im told,Im pretty sure Wally could care less about me !I've left several messages for Wally with no return call, If Wally wanted to tell me something Im not hard to find ! John


You seem to be in a splashing thread everytime I come to this site. It has been going on forever.

Recently I attended a regional boat show. Companies there like Stingray, Rinker, Four Winns, Bayliner, Sea Ray, Crown Line, Chapparal and on and on.

In 18-21 foot runabouts you could take the company logos off these boats and I would have no clue who's boat was who's. They are all so similar it is unreal.

You never hear anyone debating who stole what idea from who.
Same thing for engine buiilders over the years. OMC added power trim and tilt way back to there outboards and evryone claimed they stole it from Mercury.. So what?

I can't even tell who makes the majority of the cars on the road these days. They are so similar.

I guess my point is that it seems that everyone knows that Lightning is building this model regardless of the name on it. Nobody seems to be trying to fool anyone.

If you don't want one don't buy one. Personally I own an immitation Timex and I am proud of it. I just think this arguement has run its course long ago. My .02:confused:

John seems like a stand up guy to me. He is in your face over and over. He could have gone elsewhere long ago. He continues to support this site and contribute to the threads. How long do you have to lambaste him. He is what he is. A guy that must like fast boats, likes to build them. Obviously tries to make a living in a business that is tough. Cut him a break!

[Trikki1010]

Isn't it any differant for Mercury motor after market stuff too??? How many guys build and sell something for a Mercury motor on this site that may be similiar to the Mercury patent...

I would like to see both companies keep up the good work! I wish I could afford either of them...

Ripper

Are they selling it as a "Keikaufer Mercury" or is it Simon Motorsports. BIG difference;) Simon doesn't try to BE the original or call himself Mercury...And they don't sell the whole motor. John needs "STV", or his barges wouldn't move:mad:

John,

I don't like, trust or need you. You are a bottom feeder. This isn't about Wally's approval of you. You skirt the law and infringe on legitimate businesses as a LEACH of their designs and legal rights. Regardless, now there are cheap imitations out there....

Rus, I wouldn't waste your money, by the time you get an action rolling against him, he will be gone.:rolleyes: The best you can do, to compromise, is BOYCOTT it and EDUCATE the public:D

[RBT]

JIM5656, go pop a Sea Ray and see how long you can stay out of court. You will loose everything over it...... they don't screw around, and have the bankroll to bury you.
If you cannot tell the difference you need glasses.

RT

[Trikki1010]

Isn't anybody tired of fakes and imitations ????

Watches, clothes, jewelry, see them in jail when they catch them too:rolleyes:

I'd like to keep SOMETHING real:p

[JIM5656]

JIM5656, go pop a Sea Ray and see how long you can stay out of court. You will loose everything over it...... they don't screw around, and have the bankroll to bury you.
If you cannot tell the difference you need glasses.

RT

Can you read?

You missed the point.

Frankly I could care less.

To me there is nothing all that sacred about the STV. I owned one. Nice boat. Far from perfect. Not sacred.

I used to race MVP's back in the early 80's. I used to sell Roarke's boat when they were still called LTV. They did not always win. Ask Chris Bush how much of Al Stokers water he drank. Or Fred Bowden.

Like I said, this seems like it has gone on way to long. OK?

Thank you very much!:)

[LPB]

Out of Respect for a Friend ,Im taking my threads down,I should not have brought other companys into my battle !Its funny every time one of these threads come up its the same few guys that KNOW IT ALL,I lowered my self into playing there game and for that Im sorry ,You guys have your opinions and I have mine ,and they will never be the same !This is your thread ,and you have the right to say what you feel ,I myself have said too much ,



Ripper Jim 5656 Thank you very much for trying to add some Common Since to a sinceless argument !


Its all yours boys Im done with this arguement ! its gotton old !Same $hit different day !

[ALLISOMAN280]

looks like wally has a knee crew!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: why not let wally handle his own battle!!!!! everyone needs to worry about themselves and not everyone else!!!!

[Inline Six]

I can't even tell who makes the majority of the cars on the road these days. They are so similar.



This is unreal. I don't believe this thread could even start. Its so figgin simple it astounds me.

YOU DON'T SEE FORDS DRIVING AROUND WITH A CHEVY BOWTIE!!!

What is so hard to understand? Wally bought the STV stuff. Its his, not a splash. LPB does not own the name. Call your boats LPB, not STV. The issue here is the name.

If you want a distributer up in Canada call up Fred Bozek, he LOVES to deal in boats with STOLEN names. When they break I'm sure StelRay boats can fix them up to factory specs.

This thread is a waste of everyone's time...Its obvious who is in the wrong here. I'm out

[JIM5656]

This is unreal. I don't believe this thread could even start. Its so figgin simple it astounds me.

YOU DON'T SEE FORDS DRIVING AROUND WITH A CHEVY BOWTIE!!!

What is so hard to understand? Wally bought the STV stuff. Its his, not a splash. LPB does not own the name. Call your boats LPB, not STV. The issue here is the name.

If you want a distributer up in Canada call up Fred Bozek, he LOVES to deal in boats with STOLEN names. When they break I'm sure StelRay boats can fix them up to factory specs.

This thread is a waste of everyone's time...Its obvious who is in the wrong here. I'm out


LPB is his company name. Like Chevrolet is.

The model is a STV.

There are many car models that X as a part of their model.

There are X model snowmobiles.

There are X model boats?

LS is commonly used,, So is SPORT in cars and boats.

As a model LTV or LMNOP or QRST or STN or STV or whatever are open game.

Sorry but you made a bad analogy.

[JWTjr.]

Unreal how low we have sunk with respect to morality (or more accurately, the lack thereof). Example here: a man who admittedly copies other products and offers/advertises them for sale while blatantly admitting it is now called "a stand up guy" for doing so!

again, unreal...

JWTjr.

[RBT]

Allisonman 280, this is not about Wally or Greg or anyone other than LPB. He is STEALING a name, and reaping the benefits in doing so.
Nice to see you degrade yourself with your "knee crew" comment...... classy guy.

RT

[Inline Six]

LPB is his company name. Like Chevrolet is.

The model is a STV.

There are many car models that X as a part of their model.

There are X model snowmobiles.

There are X model boats?

LS is commonly used,, So is SPORT in cars and boats.

As a model LTV or LMNOP or QRST or STN or STV or whatever are open game.

Sorry but you made a bad analogy.

Last time I checked the brand of boat was called an STV, kind of like Lincoln by Ford. THE MODEL IS THE RIVER ROCKET, not STV Triad bought a company name from Roark

You are just stupid trying to say that LPB is in the right. Stop trying to be the guy that has to go against the flow because you're looking stupid by supporting a theif.

[Scream And Fly]

Secondly... Nothing personal here Greg but...

I think it does an injustice to the sport, to legal boat builders, & to your website to perpetuate the illegal copying of copyrighted hulls. You allow him to advertise them... That perpetuates his income and his blatant plagerism of a quality product. Your website, while I enjoy it, is an instrument to that goal.

Russ Rogers
Ft Worth TX.


How did I know I would somehow get drawn into this?

[ALLISOMAN280]

rbt how are you related to wally????? work for him???? what?????
if not then worry about you and what you buy!!! if you dont want a lpb stv then dont buy one!!!! if someone wants a lpb stv then let them buy one!!!! simple plan if it doesnt affect your pocket dont worry about it!!!! if wally has a problem then wally will handle it he doesnt need a cheering squad, he is a grown man!!!! i dont want a stv or lpb stv but everyone needs to mind to themselves and not worry about your neighbor!!!!!!

[JIM5656]

Last time I checked the brand of boat was called an STV, kind of like Lincoln by Ford. Triad bought a company name from Roark

You are just stupid trying to say that LPB is in the right. Stop trying to be the guy that has to go against the flow because you're looking stupid by supporting a theif.

I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS RIGHT.

THE ONLY POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WAS THAT SPLASHING THREADS ARE OLD NEWS.

I DID NOT CALL ANYONE STUPID EITHER.

I DO NOT KNOW THIS MAN. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE OF HIS BOATS.

I AM SORRY I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS THREAD.

I OPOLOGIZE TO ANY ONE THAT I OFFENDED.

I AM NOT STUPID!

I AM DONE WITH THIS TOPIC!

MY IMMITATION TIMEX SAYS IT IS TIME TO GO. LOL

THANK YOU...............VERY MUCH!

[RBT]

I might be wrong, but I don't think this thread is as much about splashing as it is about the stealing of a name. STV is Wally's, not LPB's........ if he stoped using it I am sure all of this would go away.

RT

[Scream And Fly]

I might be wrong, but I don't think this thread is as much about splashing as it is about the stealing of a name. STV is Wally's, not LPB's........ if he stoped using it I am sure all of this would go away.

RT

I agree with Rob. I think everyone needs to calm down... A lot.

Greg

[RBT]

Thanks Greg............ and we need to go easier on you, it can't be easy dealing with a buch of egomaniacs with web rage.

RT

[Casey]

looks like wally has a knee crew!!! why not let wally handle his own battle!!!!! everyone needs to worry about themselves and not everyone else!!!!
what's a knee crew? if by that you mean a good friend of his, then yes i am. besides wally's to nice of a guy and way to busy to get into these arguments.

[Trikki1010]

rbt how are you related to wally????? work for him???? what?????
if not then worry about you and what you buy!!! if you dont want a lpb stv then dont buy one!!!! if someone wants a lpb stv then let them buy one!!!! simple plan if it doesnt affect your pocket dont worry about it!!!! if wally has a problem then wally will handle it he doesnt need a cheering squad, he is a grown man!!!! i dont want a stv or lpb stv but everyone needs to mind to themselves and not worry about your neighbor!!!!!!

That's a dangerous attitude pal. You don't know me, I don't know Wally, but I do know CROOKED:mad:

The BRAND name is STV, is just like MERCURY, FORD, ROLEX

It's a CRIME, CRIMEto use someone elses name to your benefit none-the-less copying their design. John knows this and is a parasite leaching here.

Why did I get involved.

Someone has to before it becomes standard fare to make Hydrostream, Allison, STV, FORD or any other copies AND sell them while the legal company is out there doing business. ALSO it waters down the breed and creates negative publicity for lack of performance or quality control for the REAL manufacturer.

It's called QUALITY of life issues, something alot of this generation is lacking:rolleyes:

What happens when an unsuspecting BUYER, takes charge of an LPB Pop thinking it is a REAL STV, it falls apart, he call Triad, HE'S SCREWED

Your right, when it comes down to it, it doesn't affect me OR my wallet, BUT if it stops someone else, job done, no matter WHO it is....Check out John's (LPB's) tack record, it isn't shiny. Is that WHO you are siding with ????;)

WHO are you bending over for ?????:D

[Trikki1010]

I might be wrong, but I don't think this thread is as much about splashing as it is about the stealing of a name. STV is Wally's, not LPB's........ if he stoped using it I am sure all of this would go away.RT


That is all "I" ask Rob.....:cool:

I have stated this to John in open thread many times over the last 2 years. It has fallen continually on deaf ears and tossed back in our face.....:mad:

Change it to LPB River Rocket, and it all goes away.

I only got into it when he deleted Wally's post and sent me an "Buck Off" letter;)

[Riverratt]

I just want to know who is logged on to RBT's computer because this isn't the same RBT that we have all got to know over the years.:D

[Trikki1010]

Thanks Greg............ and we need to go easier on you, it can't be easy dealing with a buch of egomaniacs with web rage. RT

Don't try to isolate yourself Rob ;) :D

[RBT]

I have mellowed :D, I still think LPB is a theif.

RT

[Scream And Fly]

Okay, new policy here. The STV name can only be used to describe an actual STV/Triad boat. As I stated, I agree that the name should not be used, now it's a matter of policy here. All offending threads will be edited and/or deleted.

Done.

Greg

[RBT]

Wooooooo hoooooooo!

Awsome, I guess that ends that!.

RT

[Trikki1010]

Thank you Greg:cool:

Sorry for the BS;)

[rpm racing]

Way to take a stand Greg, I am sure it was not easy, it is a step in the right directioin.........Good work.

Phil

[Rusrog]

Okay, new policy here. The STV name can only be used to describe an actual STV/Triad boat. As I stated, I agree that the name should not be used, now it's a matter of policy here. All offending threads will be edited and/or deleted.

Done.

Greg

Class A move Greg!

Thanks for standing up for a Class A boat manufacturer...

Russ

[Casey]

Thanks Greg

[Trikki1010]

I just want to know who is logged on to RBT's computer because this isn't the same RBT that we have all got to know over the years.:D

Actually Ralph, He is lovable in person;) :D :cool:

[RBT]

Trikki your check is in the mail.

RT

[Trikki1010]

Trikki your check is in the mail.

RT

Send some India Pale Ale and Killians Red, ehhh:cool:

[Riverratt]

Actually Ralph, He is lovable in person;) :D :cool:
I wondered why he keeps mentioning Brokeback in posts to you:p

[FLMIRAGE]

Greg, Thank You!:)

[blkmtrfan]

Great move Greg :cool:

Perhaps this policy could also include other original manufactures...

Skater comes to mind ;)

[FLMIRAGE]

Just a thought, What does the VIN plate say on LPB'S BOATS?

[CUDA]

Great news GREG;)

[RBT]

LPJ STV...... I do beleive.

RT

[Riverratt]

I think the earlier ones had to be regestered like a pick up truck. 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton:p

[FLMIRAGE]

LPJ STV...... I do beleive.

RT

HHHMMMMM but is it true? :confused:

[Jeff "Yammer"]

Very classy move Greg ... :D You must have thought long and hard about this to decide to cut out the "STV" name in LPB post's being a paying S&F customer and all.

Its much better for the sport. Not for us, but for the guy who could be thinking of buying a fast boat. The guy who thinks he is getting the real thing. Not all people who buy these boats know what they are doing. This can only help them .... even if it only helps a small few it still helps. ...... hey you never know, It may result in a price drop from Triad ... ahahahaha, maybe not ;)

Yammer

[stylishskier]

no more arguement since greg made that rule... haha

[Scream And Fly]

You must have thought long and hard about this to decide to cut out the "STV" name in LPB post's being a paying S&F customer and all.

I didn't have to think about it at all - paying or not, it's not right, so no more. :)

Greg

[Tampa Cat]

Is it true that someone in Canada made some 1400pound ones?

[Trikki1010]

Charger, but not 1,400 lbs...bare

[RBT]

Tampa Cat, Up here in Canada there are licenced STV's. Back in the Mod-vp days when Roark was developing hulls yearly he would send up the old moulds with Ted Greguc of Speedmaster marine to Charger boats. They were built underlicence, and royalties were paid to Roark. In the later years after Charger was sold, some of the boats were TANKS, not 1400 lbs but 1000 wouldn't be a bad guess.
The hulls that came up were, the 17'11" STV needle nose, the 19" Pickel fork ( known now as the sprint as built by Summerford ), and the 20' STV and SV. Greg posted a picture of a stern drive version once some time back.
Later, when Wally bought the molds from the Carpantier (sp?) brothers, he didn't buy the Pro Comp Ski deck mould and the Drag bottom, also he didn't get the SRV deck mould...... which fits on the above mentioned 20' STV and SV bottoms.
All these molds are now laying dormant, with the exception of the SRV, I with the help of John Spaeth are bringing it back to life. Sadly the old moulds are not salvageble, so we had to make a new bottom mould, and have altered the deck a little........... I hope that helps.

RT

[1BadAction]

hmmm... how did i miss this gem?

[FLMIRAGE]

hmmm... how did i miss this gem?
Asleep at the wheel I guess!

[Inline Six]

hmmm... how did i miss this gem?

This thread had your name written all over it...I wondered when you would surface. lol

[1BadAction]

i cant resist

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4763/chicks4mj.jpg

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60121&d=1085444088

[rmh77]

Oh man i was just gonna post that picture:D

[rmh77]

Where is LIGHTNING DE-LAM POWERBOATS today?

[voo-doo_child]

Show No Mercy!

[RBT]

Show No Mercy!

someone should post his mug shot then :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[FLMIRAGE]

i cant resist

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4763/chicks4mj.jpg

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60121&d=1085444088

Another satisfied customer!!!!!!!!:D :D :D He's a legend. Hey jt it's all fun!

[jphii]

Now that's just freakin evil. Still funny, but evil.

[Scream And Fly]

Show No Mercy!

I have a better idea - since this issue is now resolved, I'm locking this thread.

Greg