cowtown boats

[wishful thinking]

did they race this past year or were they afraid of finally being beaten?:D

[Turn & Burn]

Who are you talking about ? I did not see anything before your post.

[wishful thinking]

i mean cowtown usa sorry about that

[jetriverfish]

Where were the races to be held? Meramec or Gasconade?

[wishful thinking]

this year it was the osage.

[iwanajohnson]

cowtown still hasn't been beaten, this year they won overall, 2nd was a 60hp, they prolly won't be beat til someone shows somethin drastic.

[mmassm]

Cowtown put big bore carbs on and were bogging out of the hole,letting the blk. motors getting 2-4 boats out on them and running them down.not much you can do with that horse power.I hear there maybe another OMC being built to compete.

[wishful thinking]

Did John Smith race anything this year? I know he doesn't like cowtown anymore.

[mmassm]

John didn't race this year,he and his son rode up with us.Ricks son in law,Dan,drove Cowtowns.John is driving over the road.Maybe next year!!!

[iwanajohnson]

I Know of a few boats that are bein built to give em a run for their money, ones on the dark side and theres another smaller cube. Be interestin.

[wishful thinking]

Does anyone have pictures they could post? I can't find very many anywhere.

[rockdamage]

Every time I hear about cowtown, I'm afraid I might puke. Fast you say, then why is it he only beats the 60hp by 6-7 boats.. As bad as I hate to admit it. If bunker gets into the v6 playing field, the rest might as well save their gas money.

I here there was small v6 merc on the floor at a car lot south of salem

Be affraid BLAH BLAH HAHAAAAAAAA

[iwanajohnson]

Every time I hear about cowtown, I'm afraid I might puke. Fast you say, then why is it he only beats the 60hp by 6-7 boats.. As bad as I hate to admit it. If bunker gets into the v6 playing field, the rest might as well save their gas money.

I here there was small v6 merc on the floor at a car lot south of salem

Be affraid BLAH BLAH HAHAAAAAAAA

How far south of salem you talkin bout? lol. Theres no v-6's in bunker yet. The cowtown boat is fast but threres a merc. from way down south that can take it. It had a reed blow through the motor the night before and still did dam* good. Cowtown hasnt done nething new in years that I can notice, But you gotta give the 60hp credit, that's wicked doin that good. As far as the black motors go, heres the stat's OMC products won every class this year!!hehe:D Merc's moto should be once you go black you can't pick up the slack. lol, wonder what i stired up there lol. What kinda pictures you lookin for? Hey rockdamage, whata ya think about tryin to get a frostbite run togeather for sometime round the middle of january or febuary. Let's throw on the carharts and make a current river run.

[rockdamage]

HEHEEEE we do it 3-4 times a year... we run to blue most times .. just pic a day after christmas

[iwanajohnson]

HEHEEEE we do it 3-4 times a year... we run to blue most times .. just pic a day after christmas

You van buren boys must be thinkin ahead of me. I want in if i get my boat done. was hopin to be makin a run on new years but it's not lookin that quick now. I want in on one though.

[v6merc]

Every time I hear about cowtown, I'm afraid I might puke. Fast you say, then why is it he only beats the 60hp by 6-7 boats.. As bad as I hate to admit it. If bunker gets into the v6 playing field, the rest might as well save their gas money.

I here there was small v6 merc on the floor at a car lot south of salem

Be affraid BLAH BLAH HAHAAAAAAAA Hey, was those pics of the yammie powered boat taken @ Sunnen Lake?:)

[rockdamage]

A guy could get a ticket HAHAHAHAAAAA

[rockdamage]

http://media.putfile.com/horse-power-



That might answer some of your questions.
Had a good time out there ...we just let the engine idle LOL..

[jtbtrc]

but when do I get my shot at it with my Yammie?

[rockdamage]

and this is a 60mph boat . on the lake!!!! well 52......

http://pub.sinuspl.net/flash/Jingle_Bells_Reversed.swf

[iwanajohnson]

not doubtin ya seein it run in video's but if it's so fast how come it's neva been raced on the gasconade, the osage, or at the races held summer before last. If it's that good let it air out agains somethin that runs.

[rockdamage]

well it's not mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just set it up

[iwanajohnson]

well it's a nice boat, get whoever has it to race it at the big races, no use in just lettin it put the river every other weekend.

[Riverracer#1]

Rockdamage,

Who's boat is it? Seems to run fairly well.

[jetriverfish]

cowtown still hasn't been beaten, this year they won overall, 2nd was a 60hp, they prolly won't be beat til someone shows somethin drastic.

Is Cowtown selling very many Etec Jet 60hp and up units so far? I don't think I've seen any hardly on the rivers yet. Looks like everyone scrambled to buy 2005 motors from all the manufacturers.:D

[rockdamage]

60/40 merc has them by 400 rpms ... why would you want one???

[rockdamage]

stopped by there last week... finest group of guys there is anywhere. we bs'ed about 2-3 hours. most folks get bored with me in 30 seconds !
got me thinking about doing another race in Vaburen ...

[river_ratj40]

i know in the past no one wanted to help much. but i will if you need it. im just an ole river rat from up ther river

[vrod02]

Ah some Mo. boys. Troutt and sons is all I have to say! This one rips! 56mph up 60 mph down, two men deep cycle and troller plus 30 pack of busch beer! The beer was gone on the trip backG.P.S. dont lie my fathers and mine agree. Anyway put in at valley park and made here to roaring springs cave and back.
I'm in St. Louis gave up on the bigger rivers, and bought this kewl boat 98 225smerc with goodies,prolly at least 275 150 lbs lighter than the Yam with sythetic liner /stainl imp. of course.
http://webpages.charter.net/vrod02/fly!!!!!.jpg

[omc_crusher]

Ah some Mo. boys. Troutt and sons is all I have to say! This one rips! 56mph up 60 mph down, two men deep cycle and troller plus 30 pack of busch beer! The beer was gone on the trip backG.P.S. dont lie my fathers and mine agree. Anyway put in at valley park and made here to roaring springs cave and back.
I'm in St. Louis gave up on the bigger rivers, and bought this kewl boat 98 225smerc with goodies,prolly at least 275 150 lbs lighter than the Yam with sythetic liner /stainl imp. of course.
http://webpages.charter.net/vrod02/fly!!!!!.jpg


60 mph huh. with 2 dudes and stuff
what mpeller and what rpm ????? you should have read the gps before you got plastered.

[vrod02]

Crack pipe!Lol! 6800 rpm. I'm 180lbs and my dads 160lbs. The boat does 60 . The gator jet crew have a few "inboard jets" at 100mph. The H.P. has got to be sick!

[rockdamage]

If it will turn 6800 rpms you would be aroung 70mph with a 7 5/8 impeller
most 250's can't hit 5600 r's with the engine pulled under. spinning doesn't count.

with a 7 5/8 turning around 4300 most boats are in the 40 mph range. @ 5500 the average would be 56 mph giving a 16 mpg gain with just 1200 r's , just a little over 1.3 mph gain / per 100 r's. but yours turns 6800 .

thats 2800 over the 4300/40 mph mark--a gain of---2800/100= 28 x 1.33 =37.33mph gain for a grand total of 73 mph


Blahahhahaaaaaaaaa............... unless your spinning a 7 3/8 ? at which point I would ask why???

check your tach !

[vrod02]

Started as a 225. Troutts said somewhere around 275Hp.It was Chris Troutt's personal boat/head Mech.These guys know there @#$#. Been around the longest in Mo. I know it runs well over 6K. I'm well aware of outragous boat mph numbers. This one is done at 58-60. 70 is obsene!!! I'll call tommorrow and ask about the impeller. I know its got a special proto sythetic liner. We cruise at 28-34 at 2800-3100.

[wishful thinking]

My uncle and dad both have 1995 suzuki 85/60 jets. I was wondering if anyone knew if these could be turned into a racing outboard that would be competitive with the big boys.

thanks for the help.

p.s. we can outrun all other stock competitors on the rivers new and old. That's stock vs. stock.

[vrod02]

Call the troutts. You know where there at.

[rockdamage]

you'll never get anywhere if you can't do most of the work your self.
your 85 hp is only 73 cubic inch! thats an automatic disadvantage.

It's realy easy to talk about, but there are few who can compete. As far as outrunning all the local stockers. It matters none. Boat speed depends on location. In vanburen most boats are family boats. And the dealers don't spend time setting the boats up for performance. Just want them out the door. Lower current has some of the slowest outboard on the river. I outrun half the v4's I see. ( with a 60/40 ) But , on the upper current I get smoked. and a few hand fulls of the 60/40's boats can hang with 150's. If you were able to run your 85 suzuki above powder mill you would feel outclassed.

My point is, in different places the same boat may be 5 mph faster or slower depending on the boats owner and use.

The suzuki sould be a sound engine to build. start with the minor things. exhaust , head , and jets.

If your boat is junk then don't waste your time. Take a 6 ft strait edge and lay under your boat. If there is more than 1/8 inch of rise between the crossbraces then work on the boat first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It must be flat!!!!!!!

As far as Troutt, The parts availblity for mercury is 10-1 compared to omc. There is no excuse for them to be getting beat year after year by Cowtown!
I wish they would get serious. But until then I will remain on the cowtown wagon- as bad as I hate omc. And no one will ever out run their omc with a stock merc and a 500 pound boat Forget it! that won't get it done........

[vrod02]

Fastest on the water,probably not. 60 yes and I dont smoke crack. As far as OMC I learned better in the early 70's complete junk. I'll stick with the St. James boys. They might not be winning, but they produce a more functional boat IMHO.

[rockdamage]

I used to smoke alot of crack,but it got to costly. So insted of buying crack, I would put the money into a quart jar. And by the end of the month I would have enough money saved up to buy heroin!

I've been happier ever since!

[vrod02]

Now I understand your avitar! DO IT! DO IT NOW! Lol's Maybe we can hook up this spring,allways wanted to run the current, guyed dog would be nice!:eek:

[Riverracer#1]

Rockdamage,

You say that doniphan has some of the slowest boats on the riv, which may be true but be careful if you mean all of the lower current and all the boats. In fact when it warms up a bit bring your boat and the big yami. I bet we can find a V4 to take care of yours and for sure a bigger motor for the yami. Let the tail tuckin begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rockdamage]

meaning below vanburen !!! and there is no v4 that will out run that 225 yammi . not even Jeff bell's

Where were all you guys with these big bad boats when I had the race in VB......and I said half the v4's THAT WOULD MEAN THE OTHER HALF IS FASTER THAN I !

[wishful thinking]

Thank you for the information, that's why I come here. I always used to think that inboards were the coolest thing, but ever since I went to my first boat race I've been leaning towards the outboards.

The thing is our boat won't be that fast this summer since dad is talking about buying a new bass boat and putting that motor on it. Oh well guess I'll have to talk my uncle into selling his and then let the mayhem begin...lol.

[mercclassic]

Rockdamage, cool graphics on the merc hood. Were did the motor next to it come from. Looks like an OMC according to were the throttle linkage and starter are located, and seems to have some extreme intake work done with custom flywheel.

[rockdamage]

if I told you i have to Kill you



























It's a mod 50 block F1 motor. you can buy them for around 5500. make around 110 hp.

[vrod02]

110Hp! I'm in trouble Starsky! Seriously I'd love to meet up with you on the current this spring or summer for a look around. Haven't been that way in 15 yrs and it was a canoe thing. More than welcom to visit the lower meremec anytime. Iits just as hairy as the upper IMHO.Concrete/rod bridge construction is F-ed .

[river_ratj40]

If i had money id tell you what id do, for all the litl people in the world id go to bunker mo. only the best little 60 johnson in the whole $#$#*% world could run so good. and what do i hear, i hear a v-4 is in creation. only to be put on 17*48 to stand it straight up in the air. if its true, nobody will win except the bald man, i know not everybody is omc people so id put the rest of my money on a merc sittin on yellow bank of the current river. if you dont know where it is ill give you directions. ive see it, its sick. ive seen it all. ive seen who proves it on a cosistant basis. cowtown, trouts, even van buren dont prove it. so dont talk, just go fast...

[iwanajohnson]

I LOOOOVVVEEE this time of year, everybody's been cooped up and off the river for a couple months, in the shop all winter, and now everyone sits around and talks about how fast they're gettin. well since everyone's puttin in their 15 cents, I'll put in mine.... You know what I think......Don't think.....Mouth some more and In a few month LET'S RUUUNN EMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get some races togeather and let's let the motors do the singin!!!!!

[rockdamage]

why not a 16-48
Sheezzz I once had a 200 hp omc turtle head on a 18-48 all weld.
one of the slowest boats on the river though! But it wasn't too much wieght.

[river_ratj40]

i cant talk for everyone, i have always had more success running a 17x48 with a long shafted motor. its like a lever is being placed on the transom, the shorter the boat the more the front will slap the water. not that thats a bad thing, but it gets hard to control with more speed. the longer boat gives you a little bit more control. if i could cut my shaft down to 15 in then i might go with a shorter and wider boat. with my 17 ft length i have to cut weight by going with 48 in bottom rather than a 52 in bottom. i agree that wider boats ride up and out of the water more, but gps and time trials have shown me that its a hair slower with my setup. just my 2 cents worth.
thanks

[mercclassic]

:D My motor runs great and my boat handles well and I can push 5 people up river comfortable. it may not be the fastest but it does everything I expect it to and can still outrun those guys from winona. they know who they are!

[iwanajohnson]

merclasic is that a call out to someoen. early plannin here. if that's a call out get em told about it and let's wach a race. course, i'm takin winner and noone will keep up with mine so let's run somethin. nebody else wanna run em??? I'll keep up provin it that bunker mo's got the fastest boats around. let's run em!!!

[iwanajohnson]

1111111

[iwanajohnson]

merclasic is that a call out to someoen. early plannin here. if that's a call out get em told about it and let's wach a race. course, i'm takin winner and noone will keep up with mine so let's run somethin. nebody else wanna run em??? I'll help out with my boat to keep up provin it that bunker mo's got the fastest boats around. let's run em!!!

[rockdamage]

can you build your own .......where would yall be with out the bald man ?????

[iwanajohnson]

:(:(:(you got me what in the world can I say to that:confused::confused::confused:................. I can build it.....when it's done why don't ya run it....I got ya somethin bald swingin, I aint drivin a black motor so I aint go nothin to worry about. Let's run em. neone up for a gravelbar meetin polerbear club run???:D:D:D

[mercclassic]

Not callin out nobody I just enjoy runnin mine the way it is. Its not the fastest but it isn't the slowest. I do enjoy a good race just as much as the next guy though....watching or driving it's all fun.

[rockdamage]

so your saying you don' have any of gw'bs parts.. no tunner carbs or port work ???

[mercclassic]

I have some work but none of it came from Bunker.

[iwanajohnson]

port's no....carbs no......tuner nope, I aint got nothin done, all myself. can't afford to have none of it done. Whacya chargin???hehe. I want that flywheel though, how much would it take to convince ya to mail it my way?

[rockdamage]

you try for free before you buy.

[iwanajohnson]

well do I need to come pick it up, call ya, or give ya an address to ship it to. bunker's not that far away so I'll pick it up or meet ya somewhere. Leme know:rolleyes:

[rockdamage]

Hey if you don't have any port work , tunner or carbs. You better leave the hampton boys alone !!!! If you need help I will build your tunner for ya. You just need to remove it And get it to me ! I've got the carbs and the rest of the stuff to add to the project.....

[iwanajohnson]

:D I didn't say I didn't have it, I just said I hadn't paid anyone in bunker to do it. Leme see what I can do. when you want me bring it down. I'll stick with a few of my prior statments though, It aint black or have the letter m in the name so I'm not that worried about anything that matches that description........HeHeHe, love sayin that to all yall merc. guys. !!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

[ben673]

R/D, I want a dvd of the 2005 races at VB. I'll send you check if U give me your address. PS, what if I got NOS?;)

[Riverracer#1]

R/D Hey I would be interested in a dvd as well, one weekend could I drive up and pick one up from ya? How much?

[Kevin Turner]

Rock Damage....I'd like a DVD also....where do I send $$?

[rockdamage]

Let me see If I can dig'em up !


sink hole in clear water dam !!!!!

[iwanajohnson]

what happened to everyone, whered everyone go, I'm loley lol

[ben673]

Any word on the DVD of 05' Van Buran races:confused:

[wishful thinking]

I saw rockdamages boat listed on rollanet for sale. If I had the money I'd buy it myself. oh well there will always be others.

[iwanajohnson]

Rockdamage, what's goin on why's this lil gem on the rollanet, you goins somewhere or just goin bigger motor? I think the dvd's burried in that sink hole lol!!! he'll dig em outa there sometime.

[rockdamage]

more i'm building anoth er engine.


I have found races from 02-03 and o4 stock races

[mercclassic]

for racing or for every day running?

[rockdamage]

They are all every day runners

[iwanajohnson]

I love that quote, they're all everyday runners, lol, that one runs right along it's not illegal til you get caught. hehe. Rockdamage, check your private messages, or do I need to just call you?

[rockdamage]

If I can't take it on a 50 mile run I won't own it !

call any time !

[zoom]

Hey Rock Damage, I hope this new motor is faster than your last motor you was sporting around. :rolleyes:

[rockdamage]

will be on a 18-60 boat.

Hello zoom, second post and alreaady talking trash. You'll fit right in with the rest of us .

[mercclassic]

what Is the overall weight of boat without motor? and what gauge aluminum?

[rockdamage]

around 600 lbs !
3/16 bottom

[iwanajohnson]

600lbs witout a motor, I dind't know they made a solid lead boat, wow, it's gonna take a 454 to push that much weight 25mph down stream in a flood. lol, if it's a 18 by 60 it's gonna have atleast 6 cylinders, good luck buildin it rd!

[mercclassic]

R/D, Is motor a 40/60 or are you looking at something bigger?

[rockdamage]

it will be a 60/40 johnson 4 stroke with some trick work

[iwanajohnson]

You gettin desperate?