Any info on the Yamaha 300

[lilabner]

How can you call a V6 that idles on 3 or 4 cyls smooth running?

Remember Pearl Harbor....Buy American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sho305]

Most people attribute the force behind the Japanese beating us in auto and engine quality/innovation to an American guy, Edward Demming. He invented TQM, but nobody here cared. They listened and beat the game against all odds. The funny thing is, many American companies still don't get it. Seems like if a tiny country on a little island can whip you, you should learn something from that. In fact, they can even put the cars together here and beat us....hmmm. We would rather have lawyers instead of engineers, that way they can raise our poor quality product's cost for us with more litigation; then we can lose market share and jobs even faster...what a plan for the future.

You can complain about WWII, but the stuff they make today is better by large. That is why people buy it.

[1BadAction]

toyota really made better trucks in the mid eightys? bull****. how many of those things do you see running around. yeah exactly, not very many, and if you do, they are rust buckets. how many s-10, ford rangers (and i hate fords), and gmc sonomas do you see around from then? a whole **** load! cause they are made good. toyota was outselling gm/ford in the small truck market back then, talking bull**** about how american cars were junk. well its 18 years later now, where are all the yotas? in the damn junk yard.

How can you argue with people that are brainwashed about jap ****? 1 good thing is that their perpetual propaganda machine is hard at work on most of you fools. In my immediate family have had 3 s10s (88, 94, 96) 1 89 fullsize, and 1 88 camaro. the 88 s10 had 225,000 miles, it was crashed still ran good. the 94 has 175,000+ miles and it runs good. the 96 has 230,000+ miles and the only thing that has been replaced is the o2 sensor and the exhaust. the 89 fullsize truck has more than 300,000 miles, the last 50,000 of them have been hauling a 21 ft heavy ass fishing boat, never has had a valve cover off of it and still gets 18 mpg. the 88 camaro had 152,000 hard miles on it before i decided to build a hot motor. the week before i put the new motor and the six speed in it, i ran a 13.54 at the moroso 1/4 mile. almost all stock, with street tires and original tranny WITH 2.73 rear gears!

it is the same with these riceboy hondua civic riding pussies, "my friend has a civic that does 11's" blah blah blah, its the same difference "my friend has a yamaha that has ran for 20000000 hours and never quit" BULL****! put up or shut up

[sho305]

I never said they didn't rust, just like the old chevy trucks when they used the cheap laminated steel. I welded cab corners in chevys that were three years old. Say what you want but we would have been driving new pacers for years if they had not pushed the quality up. I'm all for American and 95% of my cars have been but they make it hard to do. Toyota sells more cars for a reason, because they are better. The gap is close now days, but you can't tell me Honda didn't blow out Briggs & Stratton, or the same with Harley in bikes just like the cars. The Japanese would never make something like that piece of junk GM called a diesel in the 80s for example.

The American companies have not lost their market share because everyone loves the Japanese. Many people invite the free market system to help the best products come to them, and they are tired of buying American junk when that is the case. If American companies would get their %#@ together I am sure they could meet the challenge easily. Some are, some are not.

[1BadAction]

like i said, if yota is so much better where are all the mid 80s toyota trucks at? you just think they are better. i never said anything about harleys being better bikes either. harley was putting up a poor show untill the vrod came out. before that harleys were junk if you want anything other than looks. Still when it comes to speed and performance a harley is gonna get its ass handed to it by 98% of the jap bikes out there.

[RRRevinrude]

you should cut back on the caffeine.....for the record,i own nothing but chevrolets....but...the jap manufacturers have forced ALL the american manufacturers to build better cars....like it or not...also the outboard motor industry has been affected by the way yamaha is dominating the market share....these are facts...not just opinions...i just think its kinda sh!tty the way mercury is now turning on yamaha..............greg

[Charlie M]

You know I tried to say that US built cars have come a very very long way in another post and got harassed. I think in the EARLY 80's US built cars left a little to be desired. My parents tried the Honda and Toyota crap and my opinion from what they bought (always new cars) where junk that would absolutely go 100,000 miles but not much more, and had warranty issues in-between. The Transmissions in them are complete junk and if you could drive one and say it shifts real nice and smooth you obviously have not drove a nice American car (don't throw up **** like Neon's and Escorts as comparisons) . The jap JUNK rusts out quick...damn I though an old chevy rusted bad but once a jap crapper starts and shows in the paint as a bubble you can guarantee that its a major amount of rust behind it. And run like ****, damn how could say a jap tin can rides nice HAHAHAHAHAHA you must be on drugs. Gas mileage HAHAHAHAHA my V8 Corvette gets as good gas mileage as some japper crappers do. After my parents tried one of my Buicks, they went out and bought 2 new buicks and have bought American since, and you know what have never had to take them to the dealership for repairs, just change the oil and drive, the way a car is supposed to be.

Don't even try to compare a Harley with a gay rice rocket. I have spent major amounts of money to make my Harley as unreliable as possible. The water cooled Harley's don't want them, too smooth for me. I don't drive a bike to work or anywhere I HAVE to be anyway.

Now little different opinion in the outboard market, In the past (days of carburetors and rock solid engines) I believed OMC had the ticket, but the 90's made me worry a bit. Yamaha had a nice product once they learned how to keep it from corroding away. When they introduced the OX66 injection, a few engines seemed to blow up for no reason whatsoever. Honda.....Love their 50hp motor but everything else is a bit heavy for me.

I really hope this new Mercury 4 Stroke turns out to be a good one.............


to sum this up............ever heard the term..........cheep ass Jap steel........need I say anything else.


Wait.................... if older american cars where all junk.......I have never heard of someone restoring an old Japanese car...................wait nothing left of it to restore, sweep up the rust and put it in the dumpster

[racerx]

I agree with RRRevinrude on this subject 100 percent,i even think Yammha helped build the 4 stroke Merc?Look at Harley they built a good bike with the VROD thanks to Porshe.Yes a Chevy is a nice truck,but they were rust buckets,paint fell off them for years,delamanation painted 100s of american made cars for years after years of paint problems,they finally got there **** together.But we would probally be driving Gremlins and vegas if it were not for the JAPS to make us get are **** to gether,or how about the famous v6 Buicks.

[1BadAction]

you can attribete that paint delamination to the sorry ass epa making car companies use junk paint. dont bull**** yourself, there is plenty of 92-97 asian made cars with that same paint problem, they just got to use the good paint for a little longer. the only difference is the american car dealers repainted the ones that f'ed up.

now, the new crop of polyurethane and urethane makes laquer (sp?) a paint of the past anyways. a good two part epoxy primer followed by some dupont polyurethane has an awesome finish. compared to the newest stuff the old stuff is garbage.

[MirageSmack]

I never got this. I'm glad someone is out there trying to clean things up. People aren't stupid. If we put our minds to it, we can make things just as good as before the regulations everyone bitches about.

We did it with cars...they are faster, last longer, more fuel efficient and emission friendly now. PS: I own (4) 1967 GTO's BTW, so I love old cars.

Why the hell can't we make paint that works now..because we don't try hard enough. I'll bet if the Japanese did it, we would sure find a way. Personally, I would rather be a leader than a follower. We need to get off our asses and just do it.

I am pro American, (i'm in a Union) but if you are anti-Japanese (there is a diff), you shouldn't own any Japanese bikes, stereos, TV's, ATV's, phones, snowmobiles, etc. And you shouldn't own a Porshe or Ferrari either--cause they aren't American either.

Buy a Viper!

[1BadAction]

actually i am not anti japanese, never claimed to be. i just state the facts. anyways, we do have good paint now, there was a few years (87-92/93) in there that the epa cracked down on the american car makers on the paint issue, and the paint manufacturers got caught with their pants down. it had something to do with the paint not sticking to the primer. Now we got better stuff than ever. thats why i said "compared to the newest stuff the old stuff is garbage."

[MirageSmack]

thats why i said "compared to the newest stuff the old stuff is garbage."

Stream
Sorry missed that line earlier...but I wasn't totally directing at you anyway. I think we should have never made bad paint at all. Sometimes I think we only try hard enough to just stay ahead of the competition...when we should just try to blow their doors off all the time.

[sho305]

In the early 90s I was at a bodyshop doing work for a GM dealer. Had a big problem with paint delamination on trucks and some cars, some colors, both before and after they changed to CC. GM came out with a fancy excuse that the paint had poor UV inhibitors because the problem was the UV(sunlight) was going into the alpo primer/color base and degrading it. When the paint came off the grey primer was chalky. Problem was we checked vehicle after vehicle and the ones that came off didn't have any paint on them. The mill gauge showed it every time. Many of them you could see through the paint with a bright light. Any paint system recommends a minimum finished mill thickness to avoid this. They all (manufacturers) use a baked paint you can't buy that is much different than sprayed, but it was thinner than other new cars that paint stayed on. IMO they were just being cheap and saving paint. I saw a few Fords do the same thing.

In the late 90s I told a woman if I could get her beater 84(?) honda civic to run I would giver her $50 for it. It had a little rust and the interior was an inch thick with candy from her kids. I pulled the head and every bolt snapped loose and came out shiney as the day it was born. The head gasket was $18, and I put a $20 cam belt in there too while apart. Slapped it back together and it didn't have much power at all. It was a 1.6L auto I think, but then I figured out it was not warm yet so the secondary on the carb was not open. After good and warm it ran great with no smoke or anything. I never seen that on an American car back then, with 235K hard miles on it. Have no idea if the trans was done or not. My quad4 grand am needed a $100 head gasket set every 60K, but they all have their problems I guess...like my taurus that puked the trans pump just over 60k, and Ford did nothing for it. At least Pontiac paid for the first headgasket at 60k. The taurus was in nice condition, but I can't see how use could affect the pump shaft anyway. No excuse. Yes, I wish it had a GM fwd trans in it.

This is auto country up here. A huge amount of industry here are suppliers to the big three and others. We feel it when they lose, and I am sure there are a larger % of American cars on the road up here than many other places. There are places around Detroit you don't dare park a non-American car yet today, though all those huge closed up plants have made it safer.

BTW, my buddy just gave me a '90 nisson truck. Yep, the box is gone because it was so rusted and the frame has a hole rusted in one spot. It has pile of miles on it and runs great. I had it redlined in 3rd gear in the snow drags behind the house here until it got too deep The muffler had come loose, so it gave the guy next door something to laugh at. Not sure what to do with it yet. Funny how the cab/doors/front is hardly rusted at all.

I try to support American business any time I can within reason, but at times I am not at all impressed with their performance and wish someone would tie the can on those responsable. We know how to do it better, we just don't at times. I'm not going to buy junk to reward poor performance.

[espen]

I have heard 200 hpdi and 200 optimax running at idle and the hpdi almost sounded like the old carb ones and the opti was running like a new little Toyota 4 stroke car engine....almost unbelivable for a 2 stroke...
Japanese quality.....the problem with jap cars and engines are that they dont make it in Japan anymore they make it all over the world...then things like cranks made in Malaysia starts to snap..
or like one bearing in a Toyota made in Poland fails all the time in the gearbox....lots of gearbokses to repair...

[Markus]

A 2.6 l Yamaha V6 will live at 8000 rpm. You will have to remove the oil injection, and mix the oil with the fuel, though.

As to all the other comments: Buy the best stuff you can find, no matter where it was made. After all, it is your hard earned money.

I guess it is easier for me, who lives in a small country that depends on imports as well as exports for its living, to see how ridiculous it is only to buy things made in your own country than it is for someone living in the US. But then again, why is country borders the natural limit? Why not only buy things made in your own state? Or in your own city? Or made by people you know?