21' VEE Test by S+F

**TUFFboat** · 11-09-2003, 10:27 AM

Greg has proposed a test of the current 21 vee's, how about this spring (Im already freezing here). There are just a couple of questions,
1 Are we all providing a production pleasure boat or just the fastest top speed boat we can make.
2 Are we setting up all the same motors?
3 Are we all gathering in the same place at the same time or will Greg travel to the boats home port?
Could I suggest a test with a stock green motor, all the same so that we compare only boats and not all that "tweaking" at first. Then do an all out challenge if nessary after.
And the boat should be a regular full interior offering.
Any comments?
MW

**Scream And Fly** · 11-09-2003, 11:51 AM

This could be a fantastic shootout. The comparison would have to be fair, and for that to be possible, certain factors should be in place:

1. All boats should be in the same location, at the same time. We all know how weather and water conditions affect boat performance. All boats should be on the same playing field.

2. All boats should be powered by the same engines, all being stock. Horsepower and engine weight have a drastic affect on hull performance. Lower units should be the same as well, with the same gear ratios.

3. All boats should be new factory production units (unless classic out-of-production models are being tested) - no custom "light layup" models, etc. A hull that is representative of what the customer would typically purchase without any special options.

4. All boats should use the same propellers with no work having been performed on them. Setback should also be the same, but I would say that engine height can be adjusted to suit each boat for best performance. All boats must use the same fuel and oil.

5. All boats should carry the same weight in gear and fuel.

When all of that is in place, let the shootout begin! I think it would be a fantastic feature.

Greg

**David** · 11-09-2003, 04:20 PM

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but wouldn't it be better to let each contestant optimize the setback for his boat?

Some might need more than others.

My sentimental favourite is the Tuff Boat. It blew me away at Flat Out's season opener.

David

**Scream And Fly** · 11-09-2003, 10:23 PM

David,

That's a good question, and I think reader input would be very important here.

I thought that those boats that were based on the Challenger/Shadow design should all have the same setback. This would highlight the differences in those boats.

I also believe that 22' boats should also be included, such as the Activator 22 and the Progression 22, since these boats fall into the same category.

Greg

**WILDMAN** · 11-10-2003, 01:21 AM

Greg, just my opinion, BUT! I think all the motors should be the same, but everyone should use whatever setup that they fell best with. If one boat is on the limiter at say 90 mph, then a faster hull can't go faster with the same prop because the limiter prohibits it. Keep the stock interior. If someone wants to run light on gas, so be it! All boats can run light. I agree with no light layups though. Keep em stock, and run with a 300. I'd like to run my Rallysport, but I don't have an"X" motor. Besides, it's too cold up north!

**TUFFboat** · 11-10-2003, 09:01 AM

One thought about set-back, My boat has a notch so my set-back requirments may be different.
Yes bring all the 22's as well.
About props and rev limiters, I believe that it will be up to Greg to expain if and why different props were used as required for the review (test).
Great, ad TUFF 21 to the list
MW

**Liqui-Fly** · 11-10-2003, 09:14 AM

I really think the 4th annual Rondak Romp would be a great venue for this. My brother has a 22 Velocity whickh will have a 300 X, DK has a 21 Superboat with a 300X, Herb with the Intimidator has been up here with a 300X. Third weekend in June.

David

**T2x** · 11-10-2003, 10:12 AM

May I suggest that this "shootout" be run in a variety of conditions.... A Linder design boat is neither an Allison nor a Hydrostream.....and was designed for tidal waters with cruiser wakes, mixed sloppy chop, etc.......

Please don't limit the "speed test" to mirror conditions....because based simply on that nonsense...the average guy would be MUCH better off in an STV.

T2x

**Liqui-Fly** · 11-10-2003, 10:23 AM

Back peddling already. The lake the Romp is on offers a wide variety of water challenges.

David

**T2x** · 11-10-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Liqui-Fly
Back peddling already. The lake the Romp is on offers a wide variety of water challenges.

David

David:

I have no idea who you, are or what you have built....nor the basis of your problem.

The boat in question ( The Linder Challenger/Shadow) ....was designed for rough conditions with up to 5 passengers..... If not it would have been lower, had air lift designed into it...and lighter. In addition the pad would have been flatter, like an Allison...... Get it?

If you are going to do a comparison for purposes of defining strengths and weaknesses........ do it in normal conditions.....

The upcoming single engine class in offshore will give every yahoo, a chance to demonstrate how inept or skillful he or she can be in real world racing....and how truly good his or her boat is.

T2x

**Liqui-Fly** · 11-10-2003, 10:47 AM

Well I'm nobody or no one in the boat building World but it was my understanding that this was a top speed test. I guess if the criteria is going to be whatever it takes for your favorite to win then why bother? Aren't normal conditions the conditions that most run in? This isn't about racing...there is no race class currently for these boats.

David

**T2x** · 11-10-2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Liqui-Fly
Well I'm nobody or no one in the boat building World but it was my understanding that this was a top speed test. I guess if the criteria is going to be whatever it takes for your favorite to win then why bother? Aren't normal conditions the conditions that most run in? This isn't about racing...there is no race class currently for these boats.

David

Top speed where?

I suggest:

1. flat calm

2. 1' chop

3. around a slalom course

4. heads up in 2-3's

T2x

**Liqui-Fly** · 11-10-2003, 10:55 AM

Strike up the weather machine. How about who runs the fastest in the conditions of the day of testing. The tests you propose will probably send everyone home a winner in one of the categories. No need for that feel good crap around here.

David

**T2x** · 11-10-2003, 11:05 AM

Fine.....no "feel good" crap..... mano a mano.....I love it....

Okay.......point to point...one shot ............winner takes all.

Captree bridge ....to Patchogue.............. and back.......

any Saturday....after 10:00 AM.

or option B

one lap around Lake George......same day and time.

T2x

**Liqui-Fly** · 11-10-2003, 11:08 AM

One lap around Lake George would be equivalent to the site I proposed except the site I proposed has no speed limit. The event could set up spped runs and then a run to the damn and back which is about 50 miles.

David

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