Screaming Eagle Boats New Edge 22 Cat

[XstreamVking]

40 yrs ago a glass guru that took me under his wing and into the trade said, you can make just about anything using fiber glass but money....He was joking, but was very close to the truth about the boat building trade. It ain't easy.....Very fickle business. Glad to be free of it....

[baja200merk]

I have been in a skinny 21ft cat and a wide 21ft cat, wider is way better. I can't wait to run one of these. Keep that plug boat on a diet, no fast food or bud heavys

[Spectre Powerboats]

I usually look like I been tarred and feathered when I do glass or paint work , so I try to stay away from it ...

And I'm certainly no boat builder , but isn't that little triangle lookin guy ... err ... strake , double as a hull lifting devise as well as a vertical running surface stiffener thru the use of corrugation ... ?

Ain't often ya one part to do two jobs ...

You are 100% right Chaz. Where the strakes can be a problem is when a builder fills them full of a filler so thick that it can not flex, so the ticket to making them as strong as possible is as little or no filler and let them be another structural point. I have fixed so many Skater's that broke because of such big over done stringers, that the boat would find a weak spot to fail versus spreading the shock evenly.

I learned this back in the 90's with the little wood drag and F1/F2 boats on small stringers and more of them everywhere. Made for stronger and lighter boats.

[JPEROG]

No, the 21's and most the 24's do not have "vertical transfer supports" or as we call them stringers. Most cat boats 25 feet and under do not have them. When using one big stringer down the center of the sponson, at one time or another, it will cause a problem if not done right. Stringers when done properly work great. When they are not done properly, if keeps our shop busy.

I haven't had one without them, that was why it caught my attention. I know they are meant to transfer the blow cycles back to the transom and dissipate load. The pyramid design that Doug Wright uses becomes a major part of additional strength to the running surface. This is what he did to my 24 on the inside where the tanks are glued down and taped in. Its going to be a like a rock. On his new boat, they are running 6 supports (transfer beams) two are on the 66" tunnel top.

Joe

[Spectre Powerboats]

I haven't had one without them, that was why it caught my attention. I know they are meant to transfer the blow cycles back to the transom and dissipate load. The pyramid design that Doug Wright uses becomes a major part of additional strength to the running surface. This is what he did to my 24 on the inside where the tanks are glued down and taped in. Its going to be a like a rock. On his new boat, they are running 6 supports (transfer beams) two are on the 66" tunnel top.

Joe

If I was building a 32 foot boat, yes we would be using them, but as you can see your 24 did not come with them.

[Spectre Powerboats]

I haven't had one without them, that was why it caught my attention. I know they are meant to transfer the blow cycles back to the transom and dissipate load. The pyramid design that Doug Wright uses becomes a major part of additional strength to the running surface. This is what he did to my 24 on the inside where the tanks are glued down and taped in. Its going to be a like a rock. On his new boat, they are running 6 supports (transfer beams) two are on the 66" tunnel top.

Joe

We actually made pyramid stringer molds in the late 90's. Still have them and still use them. Maybe a Doug Wright thread is needed here?

[JPEROG]

Todd,

I wasn't trying to say anything is right or wrong, just showing what I have and think that it is going to make my 24 very strong. It did have the vertical upright stringer (you can see in the first picture where we tied into it). I love what you are doing with the 21 and thought that it might be food for thought is all.


Joe

[Chaz]

Keep that plug boat on a diet, no fast food or bud heavys

Todd ,
What is standard practice in the industry to do with "plug boats" ..... ???

If you cut it up , at least you know that your not starting someone else in business , well at least until someone buys one and copies it .

If you sell them to a guy who knows what he's getting , and doesn't mind where it came from , because chances are pretty he got it for a really good price . And might not have been able to afford one otherwise .

The reason I ask , is because last year I watched as a highly publicized boat come out of the mold , get cut into as many if not more pieces as your "plug" . Then had a generic top put on and blended in ...
It seemed like people only spoke of the name on the side and how pretty the paint is . ( It is pretty )
Having been around long enough to know that after a few years , repairs , seams , joint lines , filled clecko holes ,,,, etc . Start bleeding thru ...
When I asked , Shouldn't all that have been done in the mold making process , instead of the final product ... ?
The answer's I got seemed more like I clipped their self-esteem card , rather than that of any process of actual structural integrity ....

[Spectre Powerboats]

Todd,

I wasn't trying to say anything is right or wrong, just showing what I have and think that it is going to make my 24 very strong. It did have the vertical upright stringer (you can see in the first picture where we tied into it). I love what you are doing with the 21 and thought that it might be food for thought is all.


Joe

Joe, no offense was taken.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Todd ,
What is standard practice in the industry to do with "plug boats" ..... ???

If you cut it up , at least you know that your not starting someone else in business , well at least until someone buys one and copies it .

If you sell them to a guy who knows what he's getting , and doesn't mind where it came from , because chances are pretty he got it for a really good price . And might not have been able to afford one otherwise .

The reason I ask , is because last year I watched as a highly publicized boat come out of the mold , get cut into as many if not more pieces as your "plug" . Then had a generic top put on and blended in ...
It seemed like people only spoke of the name on the side and how pretty the paint is . ( It is pretty )
Having been around long enough to know that after a few years , repairs , seams , joint lines , filled clecko holes ,,,, etc . Start bleeding thru ...
When I asked , Shouldn't all that have been done in the mold making process , instead of the final product ... ?
The answer's I got seemed more like I clipped their self-esteem card , rather than that of any process of actual structural integrity ....

All plugs or running plugs that have had major mods should be destroyed, because they are either to heavy or to dangerous because of all the chopping and re-glassing. It is mechanic fastening, not chemical, so it will never be as good as one out of the mold.

I widened a 28 Skater years ago and after fixing the transom, the widening and all the other areas of re-connecting, we added 250 lbs to it. It ran a little faster top end, was slower on acceleration, but last I knew still running good. I did the same to a 32A, but never got the weights.

Skater is the most famous for chopping boats up into pieces and I know no one wants to hear a bad word about them, but I have had a lot of these chopped up boats in my shop after as little as 2 years for major cosmetic repairs. I would love to post pictures of them, but it would be a death sentence to my company if I let them out. Just like the whole fuel tank deals and ethanol story. Here is a tank that has had noting but race fuel in it from day one it was built. Probably get crap for posting these.

[Spectre Powerboats]

The start of putting the front back on, but 14" more forward. No, it will not match up. There will be a lot of glassing and blending.

[Dutch]

Do you expect that by widening it as much as you did that it will take alot of the lean out while turning?

[Capt.Insane-o]

I'd like to come down and lookee at this sometime soon.

[MODVP22]

I'd like to come down and lookee at this sometime soon.

Me too

[Spectre Powerboats]

Do you expect that by widening it as much as you did that it will take alot of the lean out while turning?

Yes, I do. Especially with some extra mods we will be giving it.