450r/500r

[mragu]

The 400s have come way down in price. I have an ad for them listed at 23900. To me that means another bigger size motor is coming shortly.

[Chaz]

All I have to say is that I hope all of you remember this thread a year from now..........

Go head , take another one while your at it ........... two years , just to show we're good sports about it ....

[whipper]

300x cant meet emission regs
2 stroke got to be Direct injection to have a chance.
Wait till epa jump on CO2 emissions, 4 stroke will be in trouble

Not with Trump admin. 2 strokes all the way burn that oil!!

[Markus]

Now that the big cats (35-40) are going to able to run 120 mph and do it with basically no maintenance or fuel cost compared to a blown or turbo big block, transmission, and speedmaster, there are going to be big budget guys coming into what was the little guys market. These are guys that have a 100K in propellers, are used to 25K repair and or maint. bills, and have paid 200K for an engine and drive package in the past. So whatever the price tag is, it won't give someone at this level sticker shock and they are going to love the simplicity of performance boating. It doesn't matter how much money you have "breaking sucks" especially when you are at an event that requires travel time to attend and that is what will drive this product. The bright side of this for the small guy is that another great used boat market is headed our way....

Joe

Gentlemen,

Firstly, Project X was initiated by George Buckley when he was running Mercury Marine in the late nineties. That is nearly 20 years ago. Comparing Verado to modern engine platforms, be it cars or jet skis, is not a relevant comparison. 400 continuous hp is already a lot from that platform. A new Mercury 4-stroke platform is due, and we can all fantasize about what that will bring.

Second, even where some of you guys live, there are not enough people with $100k in propellers to make for a meaningful trickle-down effect compared to the days of affordable 2.5 260s going on bass boats.

[Markus]

Pathetic ... yes , when someone is so self centered that they think they are getting a new toy that they go and start threads on every performance boating site on the internet

Give the man a break. If you live in California (or in Europe for that sake) it is not like you can share your excitement about your new boat (or your Republican sympathies) with your neighbors.

Forums like this are the only outlet for the closeted.

[Chaz]

Marcus , don't you have some toluene you need to go mix ...

[Rayzor]

The 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio has a 2.9L twin-turbo V6 putting out 505HP at 7,000rpm. This is a full production, full warranty car. Just sayin'............

[Capt.Insane-o]

I'm not seeing that motor pushing a 30+ foot center console across the gulf at wot for hours on end with a warranty.

[Michael J Giesler]

I'm not seeing that motor pushing a 30+ foot center console across the gulf at wot for hours on end with a warranty.

The real sad part is they will warranty that big 4 stroke before a 2.5 200 ros that used to have a warranty pathetic

[Rayzor]

They're currently offering a 3 year warranty on the 2017 400Rs - I doubt we will see that with the 450/500Rs. My guess is that Mercury will continue the 3 year warranty on the 400Rs, but probably reduce the warranty period on the 450/500Rs. Possibly 2 year on the 450 and 1 year on the 500? Or no warranty as they've done with the 400ROS? Who knows what we will see from Mercury in the near future, but I am still willing to bet that we see a 450/500 Verado within a year or so...........

And I agree Michael, not offering a warranty on the 2.5/200ROS is pathetic. As you probably know, I bought a set of those back in 2012, they're a sweetheart of a motor. But the boat manufacturers have no interest in building boats to use those motors since they have no warranty. Believe it or not, Pete was thinking about tooling a new 25' that would work real well with those motors, until I told him they had no warranty. He scrapped the idea immediately. It sucks that Mercury has abandoned the small performance boat market - especially since that's what got them to where they are today!

[Capt.Insane-o]

The real sad part is they will warranty that big 4 stroke before a 2.5 200 ros that used to have a warranty pathetic

Mike our days are done...poof no more. I can't even find a #4 at any cost. Looking foreward to having a beer or several with you in the near future.

[Greg G]

The real sad part is they will warranty that big 4 stroke before a 2.5 200 ros that used to have a warranty pathetic

Pathetic is the way I see it as well. It would be pennies to a large corporation to give a warranty on the 2.5!

[Chaz]

I'm not seeing that motor pushing a 30+ foot center console across the gulf at wot for hours on end with a warranty.

Capt.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good fantasy .... There's no place like 450/500 , no place like 450/500 .....

[ratman67]

The HP per liter is not far fetched in today's hi-tech world. Ford's new 3.5L Ecoboost motor put's out 630HP SAE, which is close to the same HP per liter as a 2.6L motor putting out 500HP. If you look at Mercury Racing's new SB4 7.0, that motor is making over 100HP per liter without boost! 775HP at 7,500rpm out of 7.0 liters equates to approximately 1550HP when supercharged at just one atmosphere (14.7#s of boost), which equals 221HP per liter - far greater than the 192HP per liter the supercharged 2.6 would be producing at 500HP. The new motors they are producing are amazing - race motor performance, on pump gas with warranties!

Hell the 9liter bbc in my 67 pro touring camaro makes 804 ponies on pump gas. Only thing hi tech was the cnc porting on the heads. Its a dinasaur but gets it done

[ratman67]

I just can't imagine getting 500 propshaft horsepower out of a 2.6 liter engine. Sounds like a LOT of boost.

Merc will make the additional hp by making the engine flow better and better charge cooling. Running high boost creates a bunch of other problems