New 200 XS 2.5 Consumer Outboard

**LongShot** · 10-26-2015, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by CNC_Guy

I'm old school, but I agree that would be cool.

THe thing about it there is more being done right now with 4-cylinder inline 4-strokes than all two strokes put together. Hardest thing to do in any adventure is getting started. I think 400 pounds would be easily achieved. Need to know more about gearcases, crank splines, propshaft splines and powerhead bolt patterns. Also wondering how the exhaust dumps and if it has an exhaust manifold. Guessing yes and guessing it is water jacketed..

**CNC_Guy** · 10-26-2015, 06:20 PM

Plus you can tap aftermarket car motor technology (gasp)!

**powerabout** · 10-26-2015, 06:34 PM

high performance 4 strokes have been tried as outboards and without boost they wont pull the skin off a rice pudding
Looks at the 2 examples in F1 the 2 strokes lapped the 4 strokes on the first lap.
( but they looked so good on the dyno)

So what we are saying is a modern 4 stroke, with variable cam timing, with 4 valve head, with boost with 10 speed gearbox is only as good as a 2 stroke?
damn that advanced!!

**Michael J Giesler** · 10-26-2015, 08:16 PM

Lets get back on track two stroke and smoke because four stroke is a joke lol

**LongShot** · 10-26-2015, 08:38 PM

I am hoarding 2.5's.......but not holding my breath for anything new. Still might try a 4 stroke on my XTB21. The prices are right. Again, how do the jet ski 4-strokes compare to two strokes?

**xb03fs** · 10-26-2015, 08:52 PM

If i buy a 3 liter you interested in a 200. It has some good extras like an svs a nass fiberglass cowl and a pair of 7500 limited boxes

**powerabout** · 10-26-2015, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by LongShot

I am hoarding 2.5's.......but not holding my breath for anything new. Still might try a 4 stroke on my XTB21. The prices are right. Again, how do the jet ski 4-strokes compare to two strokes?

jet ski gets away with it like a sled as they dont get the load an outboard prop does
hence production sled 2 strokes can make more HP/CI than an outboard

**Michael J Giesler** · 12-18-2015, 01:24 PM

Update mercury 200 ros in the box $20,000 and drop on powerheads $10,000

**blacktruck** · 02-06-2016, 08:56 PM

The 175 Pro XS is close, it shares many parts from the previous 200 XS. It just needs "real" solid mounts, maybe lightened up a bit, sport m lower etc. Not a stretch. Offered in a 200 and 225 version, or maybe just a 225 version. I agree though, there is a gap in the market between new 4 strokes and the large 2 strokes. Even 125's are close in weight to some of the old 2.5's.

**stv1991** · 02-07-2016, 10:15 AM

The Pro XS 175 is close to what we need but just not quite enough. Not really any mods available to get it there either. If Merc pulled 200 or 225hp from this motor, I'd be all over it. Highly unlikely for that to happen.

**Greg G** · 02-07-2016, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Michael J Giesler

Update mercury 200 ros in the box $20,000 and drop on powerheads $10,000

Originally Posted by stv1991

The Pro XS 175 is close to what we need but just not quite enough. Not really any mods available to get it there either. If Merc pulled 200 or 225hp from this motor, I'd be all over it. Highly unlikely for that to happen.

Seeing as you can still buy a 2016 non-warranty 200XS with a Sporty for $20,000 what does a 175XS Pro with a Spormaster cost as a point of comparison?

**blacktruck** · 02-07-2016, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Greg G

Seeing as you can still buy a 2016 non-warranty 200XS with a Sporty for $20,000 what does a 175XS Pro with a Spormaster cost as a point of comparison?

For Merc, it wouldn't probably cost much more, the regular gearcase costs them X, maybe a tiny bit more for them to manufacture the sport??? I don't believe it is available from the factory.

I wonder what the ECU in the 175 has left for more power. I heard the dyno is at 196hp.

I agree a 225 2.5 from mercury racing would be awesome but would probably canabalize the 3.0 225 Pro XS. It's weird how the 200 Pro XSis a 3.0, just too heavy for that power range.

**stv1991** · 02-07-2016, 02:12 PM

10% over would be about 191hp. I talked to the local Mercury HP dealer and you cannot order the 175 Pro XS with the Sporty. However, he would be willing to cut a deal on the swap to the Sporty that didn't add too much to the price and both would be warrantied. However, I keep going back to the fact that the 175 is probably a good motor but just a bit too anemic for my needs. I don't want to strap a big block on my boat. I need a minimum of 200 but preferably 225 to push my tunnel thru the hop zone quickly.
The 200XS ROS is roughly equivalent to the old Pro Max 225's in performance but the fuel economy is leaps and bounds better. You could do the 175 Pro XS with the Sporty swap for in the 12-ish range or $20K+ for the XS ROS. The ROS has better performance but the 175 Pro XS has the warranty.

**blacktruck** · 02-07-2016, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by stv1991

10% over would be about 191hp. I talked to the local Mercury HP dealer and you cannot order the 175 Pro XS with the Sporty. However, he would be willing to cut a deal on the swap to the Sporty that didn't add too much to the price and both would be warrantied. However, I keep going back to the fact that the 175 is probably a good motor but just a bit too anemic for my needs. I don't want to strap a big block on my boat. I need a minimum of 200 but preferably 225 to push my tunnel thru the hop zone quickly.
The 200XS ROS is roughly equivalent to the old Pro Max 225's in performance but the fuel economy is leaps and bounds better. You could do the 175 Pro XS with the Sporty swap for in the 12-ish range or $20K+ for the XS ROS. The ROS has better performance but the 175 Pro XS has the warranty.

Ya it's a catch 22. I wonder if an online petition presented to Mercury Racing would help?? I know car companies have brought certain cars to markets they weren't planning on because of that. Or maybe they have a new product up their sleeve in the near future addressing the void??