Xr-2002

[Tomanytoys]

On a serious note, was that with the Giegertech from the transom out? If so that is lighter than what I thought. At 350 lbs I was including a trim pump and hoses. A 15" Offshore is a completely different story. Sum beaches are heavy.

Clamp / swivel with merc trim lines attached, no pump.
I don't want to hijack the 02 thread with all the details.
Ive got some more pieces to weigh, I'll probably start a separate thread and post my results if anyone is interested.

[scj]

Is it similar to the c shaped floor in the SS drag?

Sorry, I've never seen the floor of an SS.

[LongShot]

Clamp / swivel with merc trim lines attached, no pump.
I don't want to hijack the 02 thread with all the details.
Ive got some more pieces to weigh, I'll probably start a separate thread and post my results if anyone is interested.

I think it is good info for anyone interested in the ultimate set up for a new XR 2002. Hydraulic steering can be fitted to a 12" mid. If I could get back on my 1986 project it sure would be tempting to put a 280 rotating assembly in a CRT and go that way.I have done very well lately and have not brought another boat in since August last year and have sold two. The first step in solving a problem is to admit you have one.....

[scj]

Steve, any chance that floor mod will sit you lower in the boat? That would be awesome.

Tim, Darris said it's the same height as the original. The reason for the "C" shape was to add stringer height to increase rigidity. Everything through that area is now either glassed in or bonded. No more screwing the system together at the floor.

The only part of the boat I have seen so far is the molds before they blueprinted them and the plug for the new stringer system. There were several old patterns laying in the molds to identify where they went on the original XR's then they were all glassed in to the hull. That would result in a lot of fiberglass to cover that much material.

The new stringer plug they built must of had 100 man hours in it with all the detail involved which would replaced all the wood pieces used in yesteryear versions. The technology they used to build that piece is the same as used in his new boat. What's going to surprise me is, is if the new Classics are actually going to be heavier than the originals 2002's. They're using 18+ years worth of advanced materials and design methods to build these Classics. The great thing is it will still look exactly like an XR-2002. Not like what the auto manufacturers do when they reintroduce older model muscle cars names as that is about the only thing it has in common with the original.

Darris also mentioned they found an exact match of the vinyl used to line the original molds and the guys were in the process of wrapping the new molds with it. Hopefully this means we're actually about to see some red gel..............but, they are being tight-lipped about time frames.

[90 5.0]

What's going to surprise me is, is if the new Classics are actually going to be heavier than the originals 2002's. They're using 18+ years worth of advanced materials and design methods to build these Classics..

I doubt it, they can get a glass drag down to 450 now from what i've heard. with the new tech they should be lighter??

[90 5.0]

I think it is good info for anyone interested in the ultimate set up for a new XR 2002. Hydraulic steering can be fitted to a 12" mid. If I could get back on my 1986 project it sure would be tempting to put a 280 rotating assembly in a CRT and go that way.I have done very well lately and have not brought another boat in since August last year and have sold two. The first step in solving a problem is to admit you have one.....

wouldnt a 12" mid be a pain for sand bar hoping etc? I keep seeing people wanting to put 12" mids on these, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the boat?? It would be cool as all get out though a 12" 280 on one, seen a few with hydraulic steering it seems to be becoming more popular on the 12" stuff...

[LongShot]

wouldnt a 12" mid be a pain for sand bar hoping etc? I keep seeing people wanting to put 12" mids on these, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the boat?? It would be cool as all get out though a 12" 280 on one, seen a few with hydraulic steering it seems to be becoming more popular on the 12" stuff...

Most of the owners of nice Allison's I know would never beach their boat. Everyone uses corkscrew anchors and bungees. Why would a 12" mid be a pain??

[90 5.0]

Most of the owners of nice Allison's I know would never beach their boat. Everyone uses corkscrew anchors and bungees. Why would a 12" mid be a pain??

We all beach our allisons down here, but we have soft sand to beach on. and a 12" would be a pain while beaching because of the limit in trim angle i would assume.

[LongShot]

Cool comes with a price.

[specboatops]

All the guys with Allisons I hang out with ( and those with other nice boats) Always anchor out a bit. Usually we're walking around them looking at 1 thing or another anyway.

[patchesII]

I doubt it, they can get a glass drag down to 450 now from what i've heard. with the new tech they should be lighter??

SCJ touched on something I already knew. Allison is getting the XR2001 down into the very low 400's now and they put that mean old 2.5 on it and they seem to be fine. Here's the deal, I'm not gonna order one but this is a public forum so I can have an opinion. There is NO reason these boats can't be built sub 500 lbs if a buyer wanted one and hold up just fine. My second XR2002 was an 88 model that weighed 515 lbs bare and held up great over the years with 2.5's on it. An XR2001 from a few years later but the same basic era of boat construction weighed about the same(515-550). The new XR2001's using newer materials and methods are at least 100 lbs lighter than the XR2001's of the early 90's. Why wouldn't the same hold true with the 2002 if an owner wanted it that way? Just an opinion so don't jump on me

[90 5.0]

SCJ touched on something I already knew. Allison is getting the XR2001 down into the very low 400's now and they put that mean old 2.5 on it and they seem to be fine. Here's the deal, I'm not gonna order one but this is a public forum so I can have an opinion. There is NO reason these boats can't be built sub 500 lbs if a buyer wanted one and hold up just fine. My second XR2002 was an 88 model that weighed 515 lbs bare and held up great over the years with 2.5's on it. An XR2001 from a few years later but the same basic era of boat construction weighed about the same(515-550). The new XR2001's using newer materials and methods are at least 100 lbs lighter than the XR2001's of the early 90's. Why wouldn't the same hold true with the 2002 if an owner wanted it that way? Just an opinion so don't jump on me

Thats exactly what I was saying. Maybe it just didn't come across that way.

[patchesII]

Thats exactly what I was saying. Maybe it just didn't come across that way.

It did. I was just agreeing with you in a long winded way. Lol

[whipper]

i cant wait to see one!!

[thunter764]

Complete 12" drag.
Giegertech clamp.
12" Merc can
XR-6 case
complete turn key powerhead with PPE flywheel
Nass carbon pan (no cowl)
wing plates
Weighed in at 309 lbs on my digital hanging scale.

Complete turn key powerhead 170 lbs

Well that answers the sub 350# question. That is lite for sure. I still would be interested in a 12 inch factory set up on the scales as well as a new 200xs production 15 inch mid.

Thanks for the updates Steve.