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08-03-2015, 08:37 PM #46Supporting Member
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08-03-2015, 10:02 PM #47
I work in the claims side of the insurance industry. Trust me, it isn't the insurence companies that make it expensive.....
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08-04-2015, 06:32 AM #48Team Member
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I believe it is the Lawyers and sue happy people that made it so hard to get insurance. I wish the Ins companies would be nicer to people who have made no claims and have experience and clean driving records. I had no idea when I started my search, that Insurance would be so hard to get at any price on older boats and fast boats. My Baja that would run 76GPS was something like 300 a year with 300K liability on it and it was shorter than 18 feet with 225+ HP on it and they knew it. I guess the saving grace was it was only 3 years old when I bought it.
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08-04-2015, 09:38 AM #49
Pretty much any cat/tunnel boat is going to be extremely expensive to insure. In addition to the plaintiffs' lawyers, you can also thank inexperienced boaters who don't know what they're doing ie the bonefish guy that flipped his spectre, the guy in the viral YouTube video of that boating accident (I think it was a fountain- I know, not a cat, but same principle, inexperience/operator error).
Brian
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08-04-2015, 03:53 PM #50Team Member
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I'm not that worried about the cost, even 4K+ a year for Comp + 300K in liability is not that bad considering you can lose everything you have worked for your whole life if there is an accident whether it is TRULY your fault or not. These boats are vehicles but basically they are our toys. I know now why a lot of you keep them locked in awesome garages under lock and key and guarded now. INS is hard to get!
True. i have seen that video. When I was a flight instructor many years ago we used to talk about seeing a plane fly buy and seeing a guy sitting in a chair about 3 or 4 hundreds of yards behind it. That viral video is like a boat going with the driver 3 or 4 hundred yards behind it. At least it did not roll enough to dump everyone out and it looks like he had his kill switch hooked to him or a hot foot one or maybe which I doubt he pulled back the throttles but could have just been dumb luck because he had a hold of them and when he bit it his hand pulled them back who knows. And that guy is a youtube hero now, imagine that....Last edited by Baja170; 08-04-2015 at 05:15 PM.
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08-04-2015, 04:35 PM #51Supporting Member
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Brian,
I know you are involved in this stuff everyday and that we are living in a very litigious country so please don't take any personal offence to my opinion -(I know you're a decent guy).
The family and attorney should have accepted the fact that Jays boat didn't do anything without having an operator in the seat...no different then a guns ability to kill someone by itself (its the operator/handler). Its total greed and they made Jay live through hell and took everything he had from him. If I get killed in a boat, on a bike, or in a car and my family tries to go after the manufacture or sanctioning body of an event, please show them this post and let it be known that I think its total B.S. and greed. They need to continue on with their lives and realize that I chose my own actions and was well aware of the risk that were associated. Chances are that I had a big grin on my face until I realized that I HAD MADE A MISTAKE.
Sorry to keep your thread off subject but I have some pretty strong feelings about this after buying two boats from Jay and having a friends family take legal action against a throttle manufacture. The skater is really nice since you guys worked all of the bugs out of it and gave it the fresh power.
Joe
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08-04-2015, 04:46 PM #52Team Member
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We are human and we all make mistakes. Good judgement is learned from bad experience right?
On Topic: It is a VERY NICE boat. Marty at Diamond said I would not find a better set of 280's anywhere he knew of and he knows Tony on a first name basis and said they did not spare ANY expense and had the engines done RIGHT. To quote Marty he said the engines were "the real deal" and I could buy with confidence and that I should be careful buying 280's without knowing the true history of them and these were 100% right on and plumbed right.
If I could insure it to put it on our lake, I would be going to pick it up soon. Tony is an honest guy and I am sure Jason is as well. It is a beautiful boat and honestly represented and VERY clean. Tony is a neat freak, you can tell. (Sorry Tony)
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08-04-2015, 05:00 PM #53
Thank you guys, I will not underestimate my CDO (that's OCD in the correct order). I take pride in everything I own and go above and beyond to keep it in tip top condition.
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1989 24ft Skater, Twin Diamond Marine 280's with Diamond Tuners, 34p Cleavers. A few pieces of JL Audio equipment.- SOLD
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08-05-2015, 08:37 PM #54
By the way, I will separate this package if someone buys the hull and trailer first. You can make this a more affordable package if you buy it less power and slap 200's or 225 Promax's on it.
2004 Deep Impact 36 Triple 300 Verados
1998 Donzi 35 ZFC Triple 300 Verados FOR SALE
1989 24ft Skater, Twin Diamond Marine 280's with Diamond Tuners, 34p Cleavers. A few pieces of JL Audio equipment.- SOLD
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08-07-2015, 11:18 AM #556000 RPM
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I insure my skater with my writer 750.000 liability 50000.00boat costs me 1150 yr before that Lloyds 4700.00 yr independents can write there own policy atleast mine can/red rocket out
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08-07-2015, 11:06 PM #56
Lloyds of London actually provided us with a very good quote on the boat we are considering purchasing.
2004 Deep Impact 36 Triple 300 Verados
1998 Donzi 35 ZFC Triple 300 Verados FOR SALE
1989 24ft Skater, Twin Diamond Marine 280's with Diamond Tuners, 34p Cleavers. A few pieces of JL Audio equipment.- SOLD
1988 18ft Talon- SOLD
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08-08-2015, 01:44 PM #57
The small area of concern is being repaired by Lee Austin of L.A. Marine, in Ft. Lauderdale. I stopped by today to see him and he told me it should be ready for the water mid next week. For those of you that do not know Lee, he actually builds his own "deep-v cat" race boat that he throttles in. Below is a URL address to an interesting write up on Lee and his custom race boats. Enjoy!
http://www.offshoreonly.com/articles/key-west/ready-for-moreLast edited by SotallyTober57; 08-08-2015 at 04:44 PM.
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08-11-2015, 03:05 AM #58
Keep it!! Keep it!! Someone is going to get one of the nicest 24 Skaters out there!!!
Last edited by RUM RUNNER 305; 08-11-2015 at 03:09 AM.
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08-11-2015, 06:32 AM #59
Thanks Justin I wish we could afford to keep it and upgrade but it's time for a little change. I too was thinking very hard about selling after we've done so much to this boat and we aren't making any profit whatsoever. But who knows, down the road maybe we will find another one. Right now I'm ready to get back into some fishing, diving, and Bahamas trips. As long as skater is building boats I'll be alright. Just wish we could keep the 280's in the garage until then. I love those things!
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08-11-2015, 06:50 AM #60Team Member
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You should keep the 280's Tony. From what Marty at Diamond told me they are as good as it gets and rare to find a matched set like yours are. Can you part out the boat and keep them? At least you would have them and be ready to rig them on another hull once you pay off the new boat and you would know what you have. Marty told me buying used 280's is a risky thing due to the fact you only get one time to overheat them and when you don't know the history it is a risk. He added those were straight up "the real deal".
I like the video, you can tell you got a heavy throttle hand Tony when he is following you. If I could have gotten the Insurance I need, that boat would already be in my garage or on a lift in our boat house it is 50x40 and already has a lift.
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