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01-29-2013, 04:02 AM #466000 RPM
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[QUOTE=T2x;2431034]Here's the last Molinari I raced in.....very lightly used T3 hull (I think Billy tested it without actually seeing any competition..He was deep into his own boats by then) with a deep tunnel and steeper dihedral for rough water. It was a good 5 mph slower than Reggie's but rode much better.... in hindsight this is the hull we should have taken to Havasu that year. I also had a new sprint Seebold at that time and used this one for rougher races along the east coast...and for powerhead break in. I let a racer and friend who worked for me at Shadow run it at a local event. He flipped it right next to me ...and totaled it. We were gearing up for the 30' Shadow Cat production and had a complete boat plant building our 21 Challenger/ Shadows at that time, but "All the kings horses", couldn't fix that one.[/QUOTe
The very best picture you have ever posted Rich, bugger the Molinari !!!!!!!!!!!! Who is the owner of that Gorgeous pair of legs standing behind the Camel back?.
She could have given Betty Grable lessons !!!!!!!!
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01-29-2013, 04:14 AM #476000 RPM
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Have to agree with you on the "MOST FAMOUS" boat-----but he did lose the plot a bit from there on!!!!!!!!!
Molinari boats did not continue the winning streak------better boats, [in my opinion] came along----IE: Burgess-----Seebold----Cappolini.
You should know this Lasse----Did a Molinari ever win anything again after 1985 ?????? enlighten us please.
In the 2 litre world series i don't believe one of his boats ever won the championship------in fact, i don't ever remember a Molinari winning a single race---------do you, ??????
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01-29-2013, 04:15 AM #486000 RPM
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[QUOTE=lars strom;2431003]Well Jackie..Thats the way it was..OMC asked Renato to go back to wooden boats to keep the boat building cost down..again I was there and pretty involved with OMC as an exclusive dealer.[/QUOTE
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01-29-2013, 04:19 AM #496000 RPM
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[QUOTE=lars strom;2431003]Well Jackie..Thats the way it was..OMC asked Renato to go back to wooden boats to keep the boat building cost down..again I was there and pretty involved with OMC as an exclusive dealer.[/QUOTE
O.K. Lasse-------so how many tin boats did Renato make------who raced them---and which countries did they get to!!!!!!!!
My contention is ---there was only ever the one.
The other Tin boat, was one Bill Brown had built with changeable sponsons, That was also a LEMON.
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01-29-2013, 06:52 AM #50
Hey Guys This is the best read I've had in a long time ---- Thanks for all the info and entertainment ! Gary
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01-29-2013, 01:37 PM #51
[QUOTE=jackie wilson;2431285] Buggering Molinari's is a British thing I guess..... What boarding school did you attend to learn that?
As far as the "Gorgeous pair of legs"...... my glasses MUST be different than yours.......Frankly, my legs looked better and I was wearing jeans....... Perhaps I should retract that statement , what with all your "buggering" thoughts!20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
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01-29-2013, 03:02 PM #526000 RPM
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Wrong again Lasse-----i never lost interest in Molinari boats, In fact my son Mark, [who you know quite well, as you live fairly close to each other in Stuart] bought a brand new in the early 80's [if the little grey cells are working correctly] which was no match for the Burgess or the Seebolds of that period. Peter Erikson thought he could make the boat competitive and managed to total it in Bristol.
Contrary to your belief that OMC did not spend time or money on 2 liters which was a recognised UIM formulated class and NOT__and i quote----- MERCURY"S 2 liter Class. Cees had a shed load of 2 liters and in fact he won a heat in the German leg of the race before the motor puked in the second heat.
By 1978 I was getting the Cosworth into the racing scene and did not see or even remember the 1978 Milan race [ probably my selective memory]
OMC had a perfectly good 2 liter but decided against using it in the series on a regular basis.
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01-29-2013, 05:21 PM #536000 RPM
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Like i said before Lasse the death of powerboat racing was the OZ formula-----open ended and a runaway formula that was beyond control, simply because there are no rules.
ON had a maximum of 2 liters-----was a recognised UIM class.
OZ was to give the misfits time on the water-----an obscure experimental class-----Anarchy set in-----death followed quite rapidly.
The T4 was the end , of Mercury race development,not the start Lasse.
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01-30-2013, 04:53 AM #546000 RPM
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Sorry to harp on about this Lasse------------There were enough OMC 2 litres floating around to sink a battleship------if it wasn't a 'PRODUCTION RUN" there must have been an army of technicians somewhere in the world cobbling them together !!!!!!!!!!
Cees had close to 40 of them in his workshop in Holland, and i can't imagine this was the lot !!!!!!!
You said it yourself. The first admitted production run was a V6 OMC of 2.4 litres, we could have lived with that and made that the ceiling 2 and a half liters.
But no that wasn't very competitive either, so next comes the 2.6 loopers, then the 3 litres which weren't much bloody good either---too heavy------too slow is more likely. Lets put 2 of 'em on a single hull [ it's allowed because the class is OZ ]
Seebold and Bentz made a right mess of that idea by Pissing on Renato from a dizzy height with a little old tried and tested V6 of 2.4 liters. But pride had been dented and muscle was needed so you made a V8 of umpteen litres .
Mercury would not come out to play so you had to start your own series [ only OMC V8's allowed] if anything else turned up sue the pants of 'em.
But there were no jockeys to ride these damn things-----never mind----OMC had a few million dollars laying idle----lets hire some of the 2 liter drivers----------still not enough------lets raid the lower classes, ie; the E class.
This is where it was totally wrong-----to put E Class drivers [ under 1,000cc ] straight into an OZ [ totally unlimited class] boat.
As you well know -----carnage followed----but got swept under the table. The money was flowing and that made everything alright .
How long did it last Lasse?? -----3 years maximum ?? and then died --like the dinosaur it was.
Not to worry -----with a bit of skulduggery from Herr Fraulin and the UIM we can nick the 2 litre series and install Velden and San Germano and change the rules to suit us----------which exactly is what you did.
The Fonda series was always the class act and OMC could never understand how come it was so much better than their series.
The answer is so simple-----------IT WAS RUN TO A FORMULA----AND REGULATED-----CONTROLLED-----HAD RULES.
OZ is not formula 1---------Look at car racing today------Runs to a formula-----regulated ----controlled------not an open disaster waiting to happen like the V8's were.
Last word-----I don't like going down this road-----i remember what i had and how much i enjoyed it, i remember the camaraderie , and the 30 years pleasure i took from the sport.
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01-30-2013, 08:38 AM #55
Last edited by T2x; 01-30-2013 at 08:43 AM.
20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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01-30-2013, 08:59 AM #56
The simple fact is that OMC was always playing catch up and couldn't produce a satisfactory motor for a standardized class as Jackie said. The only competitive v4 and v6 engines in the States and Canada were custom built by Ellie Langdon on Long Island for Jack Leek's use. Each time Ellie built something new and produced a half dozen variants, Merc built 25 better mousetraps...in house. Mercury's engineering department was enormous, OMC's was housed in a garage on a side street. This is a great tribute to Ellie and his genius...but also a realistic appraisal of the true state of affairs.
As far as the V8 experiment, Jackie is also correct in that it was basically an uncontested self aggrandizing racing series. When the V8's came up against true competition in the Offshore arena they either imploded, or broke the transoms off the some of the undersized hulls they were bolted to (in an effort to show some kind of speed). Merc's mega T4 based monsters weren't that much better, but at least they finished races in spite of a rather anemic mounting setup. (I almost lost one in the World's at Key West as it dangled by it's cables and wiring coming back from the Tortugas...but the powerhead was intact).
At the end of the day, the factory wars did advance the state of the art in both motors and hull design to the point that we have had virtual stagnation in the 3+ decades since they ended...and we all had a chance to live through a magically cockeyed period with true "Brothers in Arms".20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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01-30-2013, 10:04 AM #5720 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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01-30-2013, 10:09 AM #5820 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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01-30-2013, 10:13 AM #5920 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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01-30-2013, 10:18 AM #60
Rich,
It's a total surprise that Ellie ever built V-4's & V-6's for Jack. I knew Ellie & had had his hand in to many race engine projects for EORA (Eastern Outboard Racing Ass.) on Long Island. I even ran a 49 c.i. modified 3 cylinder on a hydro for a guy out on the Island. Ellie also did most of Bill Fales machine work. OMC had an extensive race shop on the top floor of the Engineering building in Waukegan. Several technicians, Ziggy, Mouse, Mike J , Mike Kukla, Ken Solar, Ward Cox, and others that my fading memory forgets that built the engines for us that ran the various factory war races. All powerheads were dyno run & assigned to drivers by those results, so I doubt that Ellie ever built anything other then a sample that Jack could run on a dyno then perhaps duplicate what Ellie found & did. You'll have to provide proof otherwise for me to believe that Ellie participated in a more involved way.
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