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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    Got it, change made. Thanks. What does Wayne's Phase III do for a 300 HPDI, is 345HP total about right?
    I believe it's approx. 327 hp at prop.

    I'm thinking 90 mph for James this spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnelson964 View Post
    I believe it's approx. 327 hp at prop.
    James' motor dyno'd at 327@ the crank....they are more comparable to the XS. They don't make X power...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    The Bernico F1 is 23'5" overall length. Do you want to let them play in the reindeer games?
    This hull is built for twin 300xs or unlimited horsepower sterndrive. I have only ran 83 mph in Parker heat of the summer. The boat is bagged but with the transom and layup built for twins the bare hull with tanks was 1080 pounds. Not the fastest but runs like a sedan offshore and makes a nice path for the skier with tabs and ballast. The Tuff would be a dream f-2 boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    Thanks Rob for the heavy lay-up info..............added below to the Sutphen

    Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered With a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

    #1 Tuff 21 hull-890lb Kevlar –20’8” Long, 7’7”Beam (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell)
    #2
    Progression 22 hull-948lbs – 22’1” Long, 7’8” Beam(Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
    #3 Bernico F2 21 hull-705lbs (Race; 550lb lay-up & s3000 103.02MPH) – 21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam (Stock; Confirmed 90MPH Driver Bob McCarthy )

    #4 Sutphen 21 SS (new data)hull-1325lbs – 20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam (88MPH Driver Unknown)(93.4MPH with 525 I/O and heavy lay-up)
    #5 Nordic Crossfire 21 hull-N/A– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam (86MPH Driver wildone)


    And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

    #1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic (Confirmed 97MPH - 300X (325HP)- Driver hoser)

    #2 1985 Velocity 22 (Confirmed 93MPH – 300X (325HP)- Driver B Knowles B kNo023)
    #3 1976 Challenger (Confirmed 83.3MPH - Yamaha 250 Ox66
    - Driver Jamescole)
    #4 Intimidator 21 - Hull Weight 1400lbs ( 76.4MPH – Driver TrimmedOut15)
    Greg,

    Far be it for me to disagree with site elders (even though I'm older than you), but I think the Sutphen needs to come off of your list. This is after all a Single Outboard thread and the Sutphen you have on the list is an I/O.

    Oh, and you've got to get a better Progression 22 pic in there too. Wink, wink.

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    The Sutphen is a SOB. I put the data in for the I/O as a comparison to the O/B speed. If someone has a good picture of a P22 at rest, maybe we can use that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    The Sutphen is a SOB. I put the data in for the I/O as a comparison to the O/B speed. If someone has a good picture of a P22 at rest, maybe we can use that one.
    I've said it before and I will say it again... The sutphen 21 is slower than the Tuff 28!!!! with the same power(525 merc... 95.5mph). And there is no way it would run with the BIG 28 in the rough. BUT... I frickin' love that Sutphen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchie View Post
    I've said it before and I will say it again... The sutphen 21 is slower than the Tuff 28!!!! with the same power(525 merc... 95.5mph). And there is no way it would run with the BIG 28 in the rough. BUT... I frickin' love that Sutphen.
    Seeing as the Sutphen is now by you, you'll be able to check it out first hand Mitchie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooStroked View Post
    Greg,

    Far be it for me to disagree with site elders (even though I'm older than you), but I think the Sutphen needs to come off of your list. This is after all a Single Outboard thread and the Sutphen you have on the list is an I/O.

    Oh, and you've got to get a better Progression 22 pic in there too. Wink, wink.

    Tom
    Yep.
    Hey Mitchie the 28 is GORGEOUS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoktorC View Post
    James' motor dyno'd at 327@ the crank....they are more comparable to the XS. They don't make X power...
    this is accurate.. motor started its life as a 250..
    21 Skater w/ 250SHO

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    The Canadian guys have to be slower,
    those Mounty hats are good for at least 3 mph
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnelson964 View Post
    I believe it's approx. 327 hp at prop.

    I'm thinking 90 mph for James this spring.
    88 just ask Superbender, hahahahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brabender View Post
    The Canadian guys have to be slower,
    those Mounty hats are good for at least 3 mph
    you are looking at it all wrong we help lift.

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    LOL....... You should see our sled dogs trying to pull our boats out on a busy weekend at the ramp!
    My mountie hat is carbon/kevlar infused.... With a Ballast in the front.
    I would love to see the sutphen on the water.... But I will not hesitate to put the pedal down. lol.
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    It sounds like there may be a couple of Sutphen 21's by you Mitchie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg G View Post
    It sounds like there may be a couple of Sutphen 21's by you Mitchie
    I have not been on the Muskoka lakes for a couple of years.. But if I get on them this year I will be on the look out.
    The lakes are infested with wakeboard boating trust fund kids.. But there is also a ton of cool boats. Alot of classic Donzi's and old wooden launches... The last time we were there we were following a 28 skater as well. It is trully a beautiful area and one of Canada's treasures that is packed with history. It looks alot like the adirondacks but with exposed cliffs instead of tree covered mountains.
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