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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    The long island gang out to take a road trip to the Toronto boat show to see the Tuff and meet Mark.

    The show starts Jan 12. It's about a 9 hour drive.
    Are they doing any show specials/discounts to make the trip more enticing?

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    As timeless Challenger/Tuff lines are lets not forget the crazy guys from down under. They build their ski racing boats under 550lbs and put twins on them pulling two skiers over 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by vnemous View Post
    So were to poor to own one?
    apparently we are also too stupid to balance one out


    running very light in calm water- big number

    Running in rougher water im pretty sure every guy since Noah built his Ark knew to put weight back in them

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobF View Post
    apparently we are also too stupid to balance one out


    running very light in calm water- big number

    Running in rougher water im pretty sure every guy since Noah built his Ark knew to put weight back in them
    finally someone that understands.....LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobF View Post
    apparently we are also too stupid to balance one out


    running very light in calm water- big number

    Running in rougher water im pretty sure every guy since Noah built his Ark knew to put weight back in them
    Linder built the Ark....

    And the Tuff has a ballast tank option to add weight to run in the rough...

    Didn't everyone make a big deal about the intimidator running over 100?? Why is it hard to believe that the Tuff does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoktorC View Post
    Didn't everyone make a big deal about the intimidator running over 100?? Why is it hard to believe that the Tuff does it?
    Cause its winter time and we all need something to bitch about You guys are use to the cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoktorC View Post
    Linder built the Ark....

    And the Tuff has a ballast tank option to add weight to run in the rough...

    Didn't everyone make a big deal about the intimidator running over 100?? Why is it hard to believe that the Tuff does it?
    I agree Progression also has boats running at 100+and builds its boats with modern layup and material,and has 10 year warrenty on all boats that they build.What warrentee does Tuff offer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vnemous View Post
    Cause its winter time and we all need something to bitch about You guys are use to the cold.
    Ah yes...makes sense now...carry on...

    Quote Originally Posted by goneby View Post
    I agree Progression also has boats running at 100+and builds its boats with modern layup and material,and has 10 year warrenty on all boats that they build.What warrentee does Tuff offer?
    No idea on the warranty...but I do know bayliner offers a lifetime warranty on their hulls ...how does your 22 go with the XS?
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    runs 89 to 92 best of 94 but my boat has bunk cushions and full interior not stripped down,pictures and video in buy and sell section,looking to go bigger,Bayliner lets compare apples to apples,they are not running 80 to 90 mph in 1-2 ft waves
    Last edited by goneby; 12-30-2012 at 10:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoktorC View Post

    Didn't everyone make a big deal about the intimidator running over 100?? Why is it hard to believe that the Tuff does it?
    I believe, I think its awesome, 100 is a big # to achieve in any boat. It's a great feeling when you see that GPS pass 99 and hit 100. How many are running triple digits and are they running stock power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vnemous View Post
    Cause its winter time and we all need something to bitch about You guys are use to the cold.


    Quote Originally Posted by goneby View Post
    I agree Progression also has boats running at 100+and builds its boats with modern layup and material,and has 10 year warrenty on all boats that they build.What warrentee does Tuff offer?
    Another perfect example of a very well built boat!
    Kevin is also a hands on builder that takes pride in his product, provides amazing attention to detail and makes sure he has the best quality control a manufacturer could provide.
    ~Warranty is only as good as the company providing it! If the company goes out tomorrow you have nothing. IMPO, the best warranty one can try to obtain is, have regular dialogue with builder and make sure he is using the proper materials and the latest building method from day one!
    ~A new 22P properly setup with quality stuff will also easily be in the $50's and IMPO, you get what you pay for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobF View Post
    apparently we are also too stupid to balance one out

    IMPO, Yes, one can be, especially if they keep a closed mind!
    One may also ask;
    ~Can someone be better at it??
    ~Can someone have something better and faster??
    ~Can someone have MUCH better building methods and technology??
    ~Face it, we are in the 20th century!

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    Quote Originally Posted by berzerko View Post
    finally someone that understands.....LOL

    The point is though that light boat needs less extra weight for the effects to be felt. Ballast tanks in offshore race boats are as small as possible, as far forward and as low as possible. Why do you think that is?

    A 3000lb that is poorly balanced will need a hell of a lot more weight in the nose than a flighty 1000lb boat. Net result is still a well balanced boat, but everyone knows that weight costs speed.


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    Everyone has valid points....to a degree ! But also each boat we are talking about is basically hand made. NO two boats are ever exactly the same, from total weight, distribution of weight, rigging, tank size, bottom details and bottom design changes all effect everything in some way from, heavy to calm sea handling and slickness, airing out the hull or not effecting at any moment DRAG and speed. So this is a perfect winter debate since it can continue on forever ..
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    I would think the bottom details and bottom design do not change on these boats.

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