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    Awesome !

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    Since you did so well with the TXP, which has some what similar ears to the Yamaha T1 29, You know why i like them now also.

    congrats !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnelson964 View Post
    In my case, after reducing bow weight I was looking to achieve better overall boat balance to help lose some hopping. To that end I reduced as much stern weight as I could and then even reduced set back and that combination did the trick. However, while the tabs were on I noticed speed lose when trying them a few times. They were big and did have a powerful effect on the boats trim if you wanted. But I never saw a real need or advantage for keeping them since when the motor was trimmed properly I never had a problem even in rougher waters so they stayed in 'up' position always.

    My goal was to find a better, lighter way to improve hole shot and slow speed plane and that I found with the Allison drag skid planer. I also liked the fact it had to be stronger attaching it to the jack plate as opposed to fitting a planer on a lower unit. If you are hopping over some big waves ever I would rather less force on my lower unit then more on re-entry also.

    You mount it either inside or outside the sides of the jack plate depending on what width plate you are dealing with.

    Allison folk are pretty ingenious !


    Did you fill in the notch on the Activator ? What do you think are the pluses / minuses, and if you ran it with the notch before filling it in, what changes did you find in ride/speed after filling it in ?

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    Here is the skinny activator22......Yes the original notch was filled in but by the previous owner. His plane off was slower when the 3.1L Yamaha was put on it.The notch originally was put in at layup on these boats to help the lighter weight 2.4-2.5 motors perform better. With the later added weight of the 3L motors (100+ lbs.) it was harder to get on plane and was not as good in rough water handling compared to a full length pad. Hence plane off time and rough water handling are definitely both better. Top end speed has also increased on this particular boat with the same motor but I have also done more changes since taking ownership. I don't know of any down sides. I know another person with a more recent year activator 22 and he also has had the notch filled in and bottom recently blue printed and swears by the improvements. He runs a 3L merc. Hope that answers your question.

    I Do not want anyone to miss understand here. These boats are excellent to run as originally made without any changes. I am just answering a specific question from a more discriminating owner.
    Last edited by dnelson964; 09-09-2012 at 10:04 PM.
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    I think some sort of skid planer is in store for sure.One thing id like to improve on is the motor getting washed down on slow down.No matter what i do the motor seems to take a bath more so then id like.I think the skid planer along with helping the porpois and take off should help on the motor wash down a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnelson964 View Post
    Here is the skinny activator22......Yes the original notch was filled in but by the previous owner. His plane off was slower when the 3.1L Yamaha was put on it.The notch originally was put in at layup on these boats to help the lighter weight 2.4-2.5 motors perform better. With the later added weight of the 3L motors (100+ lbs.) it was harder to get on plane and was not as good in rough water handling compared to a full length pad. Hence plane off time and rough water handling are definitely both better. Top end speed has also increased on this particular boat with the same motor but I have also done more changes since taking ownership. I don't know of any down sides. I know another person with a more recent year activator 22 and he also has had the notch filled in and bottom recently blue printed and swears by the improvements. He runs a 3L merc. Hope that answers your question.

    I Do not want anyone to miss understand here. These boats are excellent to run as originally made without any changes. I am just answering a specific question from a more discriminating owner.
    Great info, thanks for sharing. It confirms what I'm feeling/seeing as I switched from a 2.4 to a 3.0 Merc. Both plane off time and rough water handling have suffered. I can feel the back of the boat "fall off" the keel/pad and onto the notch in some wave conditions and I'm sure having the additional running surface will help with the flightly bow when launching off waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by activator22 View Post
    Great info, thanks for sharing. It confirms what I'm feeling/seeing as I switched from 2.4 to a 3.0 Merc. Both plane off time and rough water handling have suffered. I can feel the back of the boat "fall off" the keel/pad and onto the notch in some wave conditions and I'm sure having the additional running surface will help with the flightly bow when launching off waves.
    You're welcome. Not sure what set back you had with the 2.4 but after adding the extra weight of the 3L you might want to reduce the set back a few inches first and see if that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnelson964 View Post
    You're welcome. Not sure what set back you had with the 2.4 but after adding the extra weight of the 3L you might want to reduce the set back a few inches first and see if that helps.
    With the 2.4 I had 12" setback. With a chopper (worked), had plenty of bow lift. Hull felt a little stern heavy during flight/re-entry. 50 pounds just in front of cockpit bulkhead made it nice and balanced.

    I went to 6" with the 3L . With a Trohpy Plus (unworked) did not have enough bow lift. Went looking for an 8" plate, but ended up with a 10", now have plenty of lift with the same unworked Trophy. Hull feels more stern heavy during flight/re-entry (we both boat on LI Sound, so I'm sure you know what I'm talking about vs Great South Bay or Peconic Bay)

    Would it be OK if I pm'd you with more question on setup, don't really want to tread all over the Velocity thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by activator22 View Post
    With the 2.4 I had 12" setback. With a chopper (worked), had plenty of bow lift. Hull felt a little stern heavy during flight/re-entry. 50 pounds just in front of cockpit bulkhead made it nice and balanced.

    I went to 6" with the 3L . With a Trohpy Plus (unworked) did not have enough bow lift. Went looking for an 8" plate, but ended up with a 10", now have plenty of lift with the same unworked Trophy. Hull feels more stern heavy during flight/re-entry (we both boat on LI Sound, so I'm sure you know what I'm talking about vs Great South Bay or Peconic Bay)

    Would it be OK if I pm'd you with more question on setup, don't really want to tread all over the Velocity thread.
    You could start a new thread for Activator setup or Just PM is fine. My first thought is you need to try a better stern lifting prop with more ear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnelson964 View Post
    You could start a new thread for Activator setup or Just PM is fine. My first thought is you need to try a better stern lifting prop with more ear.
    Sorry in advance for the continued "Activator" hijack,
    but my favorite prop was a large barrel "Trophy" as apposed to the small barrel "Trophy Plus", it carried the rear much better.
    Mine did have the 7" notch in the transom and it was perfectly balance with a 12" setback and the 2.5 Merc.
    With the 3.0 liter the 12" was way to much, with the 7" setback it was much better but probably still not as balanced as the 2.5 with the 12"...
    22' Activator w/ 250xs Merc Opti, back home again

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    Quote Originally Posted by blkmtrfan View Post
    Sorry in advance for the continued "Activator" hijack,
    but my favorite prop was a large barrel "Trophy" as apposed to the small barrel "Trophy Plus", it carried the rear much better.
    Mine did have the 7" notch in the transom and it was perfectly balance with a 12" setback and the 2.5 Merc.
    With the 3.0 liter the 12" was way to much, with the 7" setback it was much better but probably still not as balanced as the 2.5 with the 12"...

    There you go ! Or another great (not so costly) prop you can still buy new today to start with would be a Turbo 'Lightning' in your pitch. Has a short large barrel w/ light flair and gives great stern and bow lift. It's 3 blade but handles great and has big top end if you can run it a little high. My boat didn't like the Trophy plus at all. Then I threw on a Turbo lightning and it was like a different boat. They are basically just a little different version of that 'TXP' aaronmt73 turned his big numbers with !

    I first went down 3" setback, later 5" and that was better.
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    Well I've been trying to find a plate that I feel would work but have had no luck.So ill be buildng my own version.The question do I go directly in the under the jackplate or a bit lower into the built in notch.Since I have a hydraulic plate the last 5.5"s will be a bit narrower the the front.I think this should help on the motor wasdiwn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmt73 View Post
    Well I've been trying to find a plate that I feel would work but have had no luck.So ill be buildng my own version.The question do I go directly in the under the jackplate or a bit lower into the built in notch.Since I have a hydraulic plate the last 5.5"s will be a bit narrower the the front.I think this should help on the motor wasdiwn.
    I would set the plate anywhere from 4" to 5" above your pad, leaving a 3/4" to 1" space from the transom and run it back under the jack plate.

    I think a T1 25 with some tight extra tip cup will be hard to beat too !
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    Ill get a picture in the morning of what im working with.I wonder about the lateral support of the plate when that far away from the jackplate.Did it help with the motor not getting washed down as bad when comeing off plane?

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    Yes, The Allison plate slows the stern descent some.
    1990 22' Activator Yami HPDI 300-sold-86.4
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