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Robby321
10-03-2014, 08:44 PM
Happened again today, another here. New bulb in and don't work to pump up firm? Well "duh", when I saw it. Read on...from another found the net...

Last season I overhauled the fuel lines on my 1987 Whaler. In the process I replaced the primer bulbs. I really have not been happy since then, until I discovered a secret that I am about to reveal to you.But first, some history:
The existing primer bulbs were OEM Yamaha bulbs, and they really were working fine, even if 14-years old. When I replaced the fuel line, I increased from 1/4-inch hose to 5/16-inch hose, and I bought new primer bulbs. I got the TEMPO brand primer bulbs off the shelf at WEST Marine.
(By the way, I noticed a vast difference in the suppleness of the rubber in the dozen or so TEMPO brand bulbs hanging on the shelf. Some were very firm, some were very soft.)
When I put everything back together, I made the mistake of not pre-filling the fuel filter bowl of the water-separating filter with fuel. I had to squeeze a million times to prime the system. Finally I got gas through the hose, but the primer bulb behavior was qwerky. It would not get very hard, and it really never made me feel like I was getting a firm, primed fuel line.
The engines ran and everything worked well, so I just ignored it. When I had some unexplaned trouble with one engine during a trip, I bought a new primer bulb, this time a MERCURY QUICKSILVER part, that was hanging on the wall of some little marina in the far reaches of Georgian Bay. This did not seem to work any better, even though it cost me about three times what it would have in the States. To top it off, this bulb was stiff as hell, probably from sitting in that bubble pack for ten years on the wall of the marina before someone as crazy as me paid the asking price.
I complained to my Mercury mechanic, and he said try the newest Mercury primer bulbs. These are much improved, he claimed. So I bought another one and tried it.
The results were the same. The primer never got very firm, but the engine ran fine.
This spring, I was over at the shop checking on the boat (which is having some work done on the engine lower units) and complained to the mechanic about those primer bulbs. Then he showed me the problem.



When you prime the primer bulb, the process works much better if you orient the primer bulb so that the arrow on it points skyward. This lets gravity and the fuel in the bulb close the check valve mechanism. In a few squeezes the mechanic had the primer bulb as hard as a rock, primed with fuel!

Of course, once the magician reveals the trick, it makes perfect sense.
When I re-rigged the fuel lines, I had inadvertently changed the location of the primer bulbs so that the orientation of the arrow in the bulbs pointed downward. This tended to make the check valve not work as well, and the result was I could seldom (if ever) squeeze them to a nice firm primed state.
Those days are now over. I just have to move the primer bulbs to a section of the fuel line where they will point upward.

Am I the last boater on earth to discover this trick? I've never seen it mentioned anywhere.

(Me now..YEP, as the rear flapper valve will NOT close! )

Dave Strong
10-03-2014, 10:00 PM
Old news big guy, and you couldn't give me a Tempo primer ball. Replaced 6 or 7 this summer with Sierra bulbs and never saw the customer back.
Not sure when or where I was told about the outlet up thing but have done it long as I can remember.

Dave

vnemous
10-04-2014, 05:22 AM
Ah I know us guys hate to read directions but thats what the directions say:D

mr fun
10-04-2014, 05:49 AM
hard and pointed up is how we roll

Robby321
10-04-2014, 03:12 PM
Be surprised how many are uniformed! I had to search it yesterday after another question about bulbs was put to me, and some funny stupid found about something so simple.

On makers of bulbs? Guess I just been lucky with my stuff, as I can't even remember replacing a bulb any boat ever owned me, but many replaced as hard as a rock (as the hose). And most that was old or spare tanks given to me from others, or found cheap garage sales. In fact, I just got a $7 shipped Ebay bulb, maker unknown whipping up a spare 3 gallon plastic tank for use in some small motor someone who will need it. Curious how it will work. Also got a Merc tank yesterday (must be my week for gas tanks?). Inside clean like new. Hose so stiff it aint funny, and bulb like a rock!
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CNC_Guy
10-04-2014, 03:20 PM
I am only uniformed while at work.
Dave

Robby321
10-04-2014, 06:28 PM
I posted that (my post) on a few other boat forums. Be surprised some the replys. But heres one that makes sense.

"Ok 1st a few facts then my opinion (for what it is worth)

Fact 1 (or maybe this is an opinion?) Tempo products were typically above average quality for many years.

Fact 2 Tempo was owned by an old guy that wanted to dictate terms to his customers and they balked, so he shut the company down about 5 years ago. (This was from my supplier, Bell Industries).

Fact 3 Moeller bought Tempo a few years ago and brought back the name. Moeller is in my opinion low quality and the new Tempo is also.

Fact 4 is that ethanol deteriorates pre 2011 bulbs rapidly. Some products like the Moeller & Mercury bulbs just simply split open. Attwood become rock hard.

I use only OMC/BRP bulbs and fuel line.

Now regarding my opinion on the arrow pointing up; I too discovered the same phenomenon. I believe that in the old days (like 60s, 70s and such) that there was a check valve on both the inlet and outlet of the bulb. those old bulbs didn't seem to care how they were orientated so long as the arrow pointed to the engine. Newer bulbs only have the one check valve and need gravity to help them function."

Dave Strong
10-04-2014, 06:54 PM
Ethanol is nasty sh*t just glad I don't have to deal with it. Have an old steel Merc tank for the 9.9 that used to be on the old 70's 110 - 9.8. Replaced the c*ck stiff black hose with the grey Merc hose and kept the ball, still works great.
Noticed thar Sierra has 2 bulbs and line assm. listed, reg and ethanol resistant. Just order the reg cuz we have ethanol BS in our fuel.OMC, Merc, and Sierra work best for us.

Dave

Tom Foley
10-05-2014, 04:17 AM
OMC and Yamaha bulbs only , the rest seem to suck !:cheers::D

Ron V
10-05-2014, 08:28 AM
Fact 4 is that ethanol deteriorates pre 2011 bulbs rapidly. Some products like the Moeller & Mercury bulbs just simply split open. Attwood become rock hard.

I use only OMC/BRP bulbs and fuel line.

I've never seen 2011 as the turning point. Ethanol resistant products have been around much longer than that. Hell, I don't even know how old the bulb in my boat is. I think it was replaced in 2007 when I re-rigged the boat after the transom rebuild and it may have been on my shelf as a spare for awhile before that. I also used the much hated silver Merc fuel hose which is still fine, though I believe it is the updated version.

Agree with the Bombardier bulbs being the best. The aftermarket bulbs like Atwood and Tempo, particularly the gray ones from about 20 years ago, were the worst. Shell out the money for an OEM bulb and it will last many times longer.

Capt.Insane-o
10-05-2014, 12:50 PM
BRP bulbs only here.

Robby321
10-05-2014, 03:34 PM
I posted that but I didn't write it. Yep, 2011 Eth? Way off. But meaningless anyway. Like said I've had NO problems bulbs any my boats. And run 10% ETH with no problem. Heck the "dogs boat", 1988 125 Force original to the boat as hose to the built in tank. Now 26 years and it sits in the sun all summer in the slip. Bulb in the wetwell, and still soft, and zero black crap hands a squeeze. Heck I've seen some so deteriorated ya got a black hand simple touching it.

Funny, as something so simple can be so "problematic".

jeff dunn
10-05-2014, 03:38 PM
Old news big guy, and you couldn't give me a Tempo primer ball. Replaced 6 or 7 this summer with Sierra bulbs and never saw the customer back.
Not sure when or where I was told about the outlet up thing but have done it long as I can remember.

Dave
sierra bulbs, only one bad out 100 or so. Temp just don't last

Ira Tindale
10-05-2014, 07:23 PM
OMC and Yamaha bulbs only , the rest seem to suck !:cheers::D
agree with Tom. tempo and sierra bad, no good