New Jet Hull for speeds of 170 mph Plus?

[Jet Boat Guy]

Jet boat hull technology has not kept up with the engine power of today's engines. Today in drag boat racing there is little reason for newcomers to enter the sport in the Fuel Jet or Pro Gas classes. In the late 1960's these classes were some of the most exciting classes to watch. As engines began to make more power the hulls simply could not handle the power and fatal crashes almost destroyed the sport. V hulls were banned because they chine walked and got real squirrely above 90 mph. Gull Wing hulls like the TX -19 Youngblood were introduced and solved the problem up to about 100 mph. The Earle Smith 16 ft.Texas Tunnel came along and solved the problem up to 110 mph but if the engine quit at that speed, the driver often was ejected over the deck or the boat hooked and threw the driver over, or through, the side of the boat. In the fuel classes, along came the Southwind hull, that pushed the envelope up to 140 mph fairly safely. The big problem with this boat was it needed tons of horsepower to go fast. In the mid 1970's Roger Weiman decided to solve the problem of accidents and built the Rogers Dragster. None ever showed at tendency to hook or blow over, and none ever crashed to my knowledge. He and a friend with a good engine got together and built a shallow runner bottom tunnel boat that ran 150 mph totally safely. Others took notice and Freddy Bray built his Rogers Dragstar called "Gotta Go". It would totally destroy a Placecraft in the quarter mile. However there was a big problem. The drag boat races, at that time, did not have the current starting system they have today. They just had m.p.h. timers and could not record E.T. Qualifying was based on mph not E.T. and the Rogers hull was a couple miles per hour slower than the Placecraft, which had a deeper tunnel hull and narrower keel with less parasitic drag at high speed.. This meant Freddy could not qualify, even though he routinely beat all the Placecrafts to the finish line! This was because the Rogers boat had a much better holeshot due to the flatter bottom which produced more hydraulic lift and planed much faster. This discouraged Freddy and he built a Placecraft which was also called "Gotta Go". Eliminator then developed the 19ft Daytona and pumped speeds up to 115 mph, but blow overs became such a big problem they were seldom used in blown fuel classes. By the 1990's power developed further and Eliminators, and Cheyennes were blowing over constantly. I had two close friends in Pro Gas Jet killed and over half the 16 boats in the class blew over in the following two years. On the Fuel Jet side, Placecrafts were also crashing right and left. Ray Lumbert hooked and crashed twice in the same year. Rusty Young crashed, Rich Bitch crashed, Jerry Wallace crashed. In a span of a couple of years five drivers were dead and the jet boat classes were almost gone. More recently Tom Papp redesigned his Steath hull. It was a "take off" of the Cheyenne, to reduce blow overs, although it helped a little, the blow overs have continued. Today, safety ratchets and capsules in jet boats have reduced deaths and saved the sport, but the hulls have a long way to go. It has been rumored a fellow in Illinois is redesigning the bottom of the Rogers Drag Star to reduce drag and increase the top end, which should allow this hull to run 170 mph safely. The boats shallow tunnels, narrow sponsons, and banana shaped keel reduce lift and the tendency to hook. I believe this could be the salvation of the sport and have my fingers crossed. Attached is a photograph of the old Rogers Dragstar which was modified and is the foundation for the new hull design. In this photo the boat ran 150 MPH and ran a 7.42 e.t. on just alcohol. Click on thumbnail below to enlarge photo.

[Charger200]

nice first post.

[Jet Boat Guy]

Nice boat!

[Tom@JBP]

Good information Welcome ! Tom

[Jet Boat Guy]

Thanks, Tom

[Old fiberglass]

Jet Boat Guy, sounds like you have been around jet boat racing for a long time. Do you currently race ??

[sleekcrafter]

The PlaceCraft has been north of 186 mph 6.69 and had even ran faster mph during testing. Most of this was pre 1993 well before the advent of onboard data collection. Going fast in the placecraft was not the issue, it was losing a motor, and or shut down. Ralph Mills, and Donny Lebon, will be back in the game soon, as is Dan Kirkman, should be exiting to see these guys back in action.

[Jet Boat Guy]

Not to much lately. Owned a Rogers Dragstar Top Fuel Jet, on alcohol only, several years back. I had been helping Frank Nagore with his Top Fuel Jet, to a small extent, until just before his Tom Papps "Edge" blew over and seriously injured him. That boat had my old Brad Anderson Hemi and the safety capsule: out of my old Rogers Dragstar, that was built by Advantage Boats. I have been working with the new owners of my old Company, ARS Marine, developing a new Top Fuel Jet that will have little tendency to hook, barrel roll or blow over as Franks "Blue Thunder" did. It is a modified Rogers Dragstar built in a original Rogers mold with inserts we designed to step and narrow the keel for added MPH. The new boat made its first trip to the lake last month at the St. Louis Drag Boats Associations race at New Athens, IL. Using a almost stock Chevy LS6, we managed to win our first race with the new hull! We have named the new hull design the Chi Town Dragstar. It ran 12.31 and 80 MPH in the River Racer Class, but with some dialing-in it will easily run in the 11 second range. The boat "hole shoted" every boat we raced by up to two boat lengths.

This boat was strictly designed to prevent jet boat crashes, when the engine quits or the wind gusts at high speeds. It makes a very safe and quick bracket boat and has the classic Rogers look. The inspiration for the new design was Franks crash, along with Rogers death last year. We dedicated this first win to Roger, who was far ahead of his time and a inspiration to myself and many others. He was truly a real pioneer of his time! This winter we are building the first new Fuel Jet which we hope will be completed this up-coming summer. Attached are a few photos from the race. The boat was driven by George Pataki the current owner of ARS MARINE.

[user]

Very Nice looking boat:thumbsup: Who is building the hull?

[Jet Boat Guy]

The boat is being built by ARS Marine in Morris IL. The first boat was built 2 months ago and on its first trip to water at the St. louis Dragboat Association in New Athens IL. It won the river racer class. It ran 80 MPH with a stock 454. With a little dialing in it will go faster! ARS in on the internet. The hull was made from the original Rogers mold with inserts to narrow and step the keel. It is called The Chi Town Tunnel.

[mirage243]

Hate to break the bad news to you and all the S&F family, but................................................I'm screaming BULL SH*T to the top of my lungs.

[the Shocker]

Hate to break the bad news to you and all the S&F family, but................................................I'm screaming BULL SH*T to the top of my lungs.

LOL,nice! i shur wish i could of ran the SLDBA this year! After taking a 2nd place in lake racer class last year in my bass boat and missing races,Dam i could of taken a 1st this past season.:D

[Jet Boat Guy]

Here are pictures from the race at SLDBA220686220687

[jphii]

OK, is this a 170mph jet boat or an 80 mph jet boat? Title says 170 and I'll call bull**** on that too. 80 sounds about right....

[Jet Boat Guy]

The new capsuled boat is being built right now. It will have a 3000 hp Brad Anderson blown, injected, 526, all aluminum hemi. Not 480 hp like the one that went 80mph! The heavy prototype boat ran 151MPH. I guess we will see next spring at Firebird if it will go 170! I do not think it will the first time out.

[mirage243]

Here are pictures from the race at SLDBA220686220687

Don't tell me about New Athens, I was pitted right next to the guy in the picture. I went to the finals at New Athens in Modified Eliminator and watched the boat in question run. I'm not saying he didn't run River Racer, I'm just sayin' you ain't gonna run 170 in a jet boat. You gotta be careful on Scream and Fly, somebody will for sure call bullsh*t on you.

[user]

The PlaceCraft has been north of 186 mph 6.69 and had even ran faster mph during testing. Most of this was pre 1993 well before the advent of onboard data collection. Going fast in the placecraft was not the issue, it was losing a motor, and or shut down. Ralph Mills, and Donny Lebon, will be back in the game soon, as is Dan Kirkman, should be exiting to see these guys back in action.

TO mirage243
I guess the statement above must be incorrect??

[Jet Boat Guy]

Thanks for the advice! I am in that picture. I am the old fart. Right on sleekcrafter!

[WATERWINGS]

Popcorn anyone?

[Jet Boat Guy]

Right on!

[gary slagle]

oct 30,1983,blown fuel jet, called going places,built by bill place,placecraft boats, 176.39 mph,6.58 et ,firebird raceway,,, yes , a jetboat can go 170..dont think the class exists anymore .not your average jetboat by any means!,at that time top alchol hydros were breaking into 200 + mph.around 5.5 sec et. best to know the facts before calling bs !!! if my scanner worked ,i would post some of the pics i took of this boat ,sorry,and as i remember from the early ninetys,there wern't many bf jets or drivers around.

[Jet Boat Guy]

Gary, You are correct about Frank and Bills Placecrafts. Both their boats ran over 170! They were genius's with jetboats! The prototype for our new boat ran 151 mph on only alcohol, no nitro! Thanks for coming to my defense. I never said our new boat would run 170! I simply said it was designed to run that speed without blowing over, hooking or barrelrolling. Even that, remains to be seen! Most all of the Placecrafts, including two or more of the Places boats crashed in that manner. The newer deeper tunnels similar to Eliminators or Stealths are far worse than the Placecrafts when it comes to hooking and blowing over. That is why they are faster with less power than Placecrafts. They simply trap more air! Speeds above 116 mph or so, is simply too fast for a deep tunnel hull boat like theirs were. Which ever sponson hits the water first when a engine quits or on shutdown is the way the boat will turn as it hooks. This has nothing to do with it being a jet drive. All tunnel boats with forward sponsons will hook if the going real fast and one sponson hits the water before the other! Our new boat has no sponsons in the front that can start a hook to occur. Also, the outer rear sponsons have air relief slots to release entrapped air if the boats aft lifts more than two inches.

[Storz]

Any ideas what this will run? The boat is called "Blown Fever"

Big thread on it over at PB

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?t=76220

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx193/progasjet/DSC00007.jpg

[gary slagle]

jet boat guy, good luck with your project,hope it runs straight & true! spent most of late eighties & ninetys at ihba dragboat races,& witnessed several fast runs,blowovers & crashes,lost alot of icons over the years :( was on pins & needles when the pro classes raced, waay more exciting than the pavement drag racers for me.dont worry bout the nonbelievers as they most likely have not seen just how quick some carmotor boats are, especially the teams that are on top of their game.s&f is mostly outboard dominated.i am from both sides having owned a deaver comp hydro that i bought at firebird in 1994 & built it to run & only returning to the outboard clan within the last 7 years. keep up the good work & keep us all posted on your results.:thumbsup:

[sleekcrafter]

Ralph Mills returns! Donny Lebon is rumored to be returning as well. Data logging has made the impossible... a reality, to know what the boat is doing, and make it better, all in real time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX5VA2XHm60

[Jet Boat Guy]

It is very exciting to see Ralph Mills back! He is a legend in the sport and I wish him the very best. His new boat is probably capable of running in the 170's. The sport needs some of these guys back. Go Ralph! I sure hope Donny does well also! I just watched the U tube video. The boat looked great! John Cost

[sleekcrafter]

John the last time I was at your shop you were just fitting the Capsule, to the Advantage/Rogers Dragstar. Hope to see more Jetboats in the future, 1000ft tracks are game changers. Good luck in the new boat.

[bp298]

Hate to break the bad news to you and all the S&F family, but................................................I'm screaming BULL SH*T to the top of my lungs.

yeah, pretty much. not that a jet can or can't go 170, but all the rest of it. i've watched kirkman run 6.80s at 161-162 several times, like it's a bracket boat. i've seen him lose the engine in the lights at 160 and it just slides to a stop.

this is a sales pitch, nothing more nothing less, and the so-called "facts" are slightly skewed. i watched that blue pile run many times, even ran against it in qualifying. most all the time, it would start hopping out of the water at half track. best i ever saw out of it was 124-126 when it stopped hopping - it wasn't fast. mr. cost, good luck chasing numbers like this with an obsolete design. there are at least 6 n/a "deep tunnel" jets at b'field that you'll be hard pressed to match in 1/8 et, let alone speed, no matter what power you apply.

ralph mills and his crew are good people, and they have a nice boat there. but they are a long way from running kirkman like numbers consistently.

[mirage243]

yeah, pretty much. not that a jet can or can't go 170, but all the rest of it. i've watched kirkman run 6.80s at 161-162 several times, like it's a bracket boat. i've seen him lose the engine in the lights at 160 and it just slides to a stop.

this is a sales pitch, nothing more nothing less, and the so-called "facts" are slightly skewed. i watched that blue pile run many times, even ran against it in qualifying. most all the time, it would start hopping out of the water at half track. best i ever saw out of it was 124-126 when it stopped hopping - it wasn't fast. mr. cost, good luck chasing numbers like this with an obsolete design. there are at least 6 n/a "deep tunnel" jets at b'field that you'll be hard pressed to match in 1/8 et, let alone speed, no matter what power you apply.

ralph mills and his crew are good people, and they have a nice boat there. but they are a long way from running kirkman like numbers consistently.

That right there ladies and gentleman is coming from a man that KNOWS jet boats.

[racerx]

Donnie littles boat is a stealth,it runs a bit over 130mph in a thousand ft,on all motor and nitrous,he one smokin in the cove few years back in the 6 sec class,it is real quick for a non supercharged jet..

[E-tec1]

I dont think hes sayin that boat will go that.........just theoretical hypos of what could be done..........know john a long time.............hes an inovator and lucky hes here to argue with...........been jet boatin a long time.........give him time to fit in..........that boat was out for the first run a new athens............give a little credit........then give him crap...........he can take it...:D:D...........was nice seein you up and about after all you were thru............BRETT

[bp298]

Donnie littles boat is a stealth,it runs a bit over 130mph in a thousand ft,on all motor and nitrous,he one smokin in the cove few years back in the 6 sec class,it is real quick for a non supercharged jet..

donnie little did very well with that boat at the cove. heard he sold it?


I dont think hes sayin that boat will go that.........just theoretical hypos of what could be done..........know john a long time.............hes an inovator and lucky hes here to argue with...........been jet boatin a long time.........give him time to fit in..........that boat was out for the first run a new athens............give a little credit........then give him crap...........he can take it...:D:D...........was nice seein you up and about after all you were thru............BRETT

mr. e-tec, i have no beef with john or george, nor do i care what they may "theoretically" think they can do with that hull. until they do something, it's all just talk.
but i've owned/raced a southwind tunnel dragster for 16 years, and i DO take exception to what he "theoretically" states about southwinds requiring "huge hp" to "go fast", whatever that may mean. during those 16 years i've done my due diligence on the origin and design of these boats, as well as how to make them run well. i've run 113/9.40s years ago, with close to 800hp absorbed. that may not be "fast", but it was smooth and straight, and when i've lost power at 100+, the boat neither rolled, hooked or spit. it just lands and drifts off.

things have changed over the last 25 years. there are at least 8 deep tunnels i could name, running at bakersfield in the mid to low 7s between 135 and 140. they do that routinely, good attitude without getting close to blowover, hook or roll. i've seen 2 of 'em lose power in the lights, sit down and go straight. it is ALL about setup and balance. things have been refined over the years; still, anyone can set one up improperly and do stupid things, just like someone can do with an outboard.

southwind tunnels were the first jet tunnels commercially available, in 1975. eliminator daytona's came shortly after that. then bill place, after campaining an swtd, was given a sw mold and created the first generation placecraft out of it, in the late '70s. the rogers dragstar was around before all of that. if that design was "all that", don't you think someone would have made it work before now??? there are reasons why it has not "taken over" as a 10, 9, or 8 second boat.

dan kirkman's stealth routinely runs 6.80s/160+ with 2300hp, not 3000. it repeats those numbers like a bracket boat, and i've watched him a couple times lose a belt in the lights killing the engine, it just slides straight to a stop. it is ALL about setup. john d's vortec charged cheyenne runs 7.20s/140 like a bracket boat. he pulled the kill switch in the lights at firebird, and the boat went straight then drifted off to the right. it is ALL about setup.

i realize this is an ob forum. i'm here because i have several friends that race outboards. if john posted the same thing over on pb's jet forum, i can assure you the reaction would be quite different, as there are a lot of people there that know jets.

[Jet Boat Guy]

Dear bp298, I was not knocking the Southwind Tunnel. It was one of the best Jet boats ever built and perhaps the very best.. Southwinds, Placecrafts and Rogers Dragstars all have realitively shallow tunnels requiring them to need a lot of power to develop high speeds. This is why none of them have been successful in Pro Gas Jet. This is the exact reason they work so well in Blown Fuel Jet. It is relatively easy to go fast in a deep tunnel boat like a Edge. However, you will always be on the "Edge" at speeds above 123 mph. Deep tunnel boats simply have so much speed and trap so much air that they simply want to fly. They were never designed to go 150 MPH like the Dragstar was! I assure you, that if you drive a deep tunnel design at speeds exceeding that it will simply be a matter of time until a gust of wind blows it over or it sticks a sponson during a crosswind on landing and hooks or barrel rolls. I have had 3 very close friends die in deep tunnel jet boats and one who is paralyzed possibly forever! This is the exact reason we choose the Rogers Dragstar for our Fuel Jet platform. It has the shallowest tunnels and the smallest sponsons. It is as safe as any high speed boat can be to our knowledge. It is all about safety and the desire to see Jets go fast without people getting hurt. The jet boat classes are all but gone just because of this problem that occurs when trying to run 160 mph in a deep tunnel design. I love Jet boats, just as others love outboards and simply would like these classes to continue with as much safety and common sense as possible. Yes, the Rogers Dragstar is a challenge but that is what I enjoy. I do not sell these boats and have financial gains to be expected. I simply love Jet boats. I hope you can understand our thoughts on this subject.

[bp298]

john, i've also had close friends, friends and acquaintences die as the result of crashes. deep tunnels, shallow tunnels and hydros. that was all very sad.
that said, it had more to do with setup and setup philosophy than it did design. 20-25 years ago, the common belief was that all these boats needed to run down a track with 5-7 degrees of attitude. as time has passed, especially over the past 3-5 years, it's been proven on numerous boats that this much attitude is not necessary to run fast, in fact it's a detriment. if you watched kirkman run over the last 4 years, or any of the 130-140mph jets at ming. none of these boats are "on the edge", or even close to it, like many of the progas or comp jets would be 10-20 years ago. they are running nearly flat, with a more contemporary approach to setup that is actually quicker and faster than the previous approach. for example, john d's cheyenne that runs 7.20s/139-140 is glued to the water, front to back. these hulls DO NOT have to run ridiculously loose with a lot of attitude to be quick and fast. there are two new placecrafts that were out at the last race for the first time, both running contemporary hardware and running relatively flat. one ran low 9s, while the other ran 8.30s. both are still sorting out setup and can run quicker/faster. there are still others that believe running these boats very loose with substantial attitude is the way to go - that's their choice, but the other approach has been proven to be more effective on a repeated basis at ming. the quickest open jetboats in the country run in b'field, and quick wins races.

one fact that is often overlooked is that the vast majority of southwind tunnels were heavy boats, weighing anywhere from 600-700lbs. mine bare weighs 730. the older gen 1 and 2 pc's were also heavy; many of the more recent layups of gen 3s have been in the 415-430 range. not "light" , but not obese either, and weight makes a huge difference. a LOT of the daytona's laid up 20-30 years ago were light if they weighed 450-475. while there were a few in the mid 300s and a couple less than that, the vast majority were over 500lbs.

in today's world, with the higher end materials that have been used, along with more refined layup schedules, most all the boats being laid up are in the 390-420 range. and that makes a huge huge difference. rigging and setting up boats at this weight, to run in the preferred manner, results in a ride that is nowhere close to "the edge" frequently seen 20 or more years ago.

if you all really believe you can run this well with a flatbottom jet, good luck with that.

[Jet Boat Guy]

bp298 Thank you for the polite reply. You are very correct on your reply. Maybe someone should build a light weight Southwind!

[sleekcrafter]

The new capsuled boat is being built right now. It will have a 3000 hp Brad Anderson blown, injected, 526, all aluminum hemi. Not 480 hp like the one that went 80mph! The heavy prototype boat ran 151MPH. I guess we will see next spring at Firebird if it will go 170! I do not think it will the first time out.

Whats the update on this new build? I see it being advertized locally as a winner, will it debut at the NJBA opener? Firebird just had their season opener last weekend.

[mirage243]

Whats the update on this new build? I see it being advertized locally as a winner, will it debut at the NJBA opener? Firebird just had their season opener last weekend.

Yea, inquiring minds want to know.

[Jet Boat Guy]

We are working to try to get the boat ready for Firebird by the late May race. It is made from Advantage Boats mold which we purchased and it is the original Rogers Dragstar mold. We have built mold inserts to reduce lift by reducing the width of the keel. The race ADBA just had there had no equipiment for capsuled boats. For updates on the project you can Google topfueljet to get to our website. We will be running against the flats on 1000 ft. courses. There are photos of the new boat and the capsule shell. I am going to Chicago to pick up the hull in two weeks, at that point we can start rigging. Thank you for the interest.

[sleekcrafter]

Looks like it has a ways to go, 2 months is gonna be tight! Best of luck for the 2011 season.

[bp298]

We are working to try to get the boat ready for Firebird by the late May race. It is made from Advantage Boats mold which we purchased and it is the original Rogers Dragstar mold. We have built mold inserts to reduce lift by reducing the width of the keel. The race ADBA just had there had no equipiment for capsuled boats. For updates on the project you can Google topfueljet to get to our website. We will be running against the flats on 1000 ft. courses. There are photos of the new boat and the capsule shell. I am going to Chicago to pick up the hull in two weeks, at that point we can start rigging. Thank you for the interest.

just a comment. we (adba) do have more than adequate equipment and rescue to run capsules. there are other reasons we have elected not to run capsules now, or for the forseeable future. whenever we decide to run them, we'll let people know.

[bp298]

since this thing completely came apart around the capsule and is now destroyed, what's next??

[mirage243]

I saw the wreck firsthand, thank goodness he could only run 145 or so, that mysterious 170 would have been bad.

[bp298]

hey bill, hows things? I saw you were running pe this weekend? how did you do? I've known brad for a long time. good guy. and it really really sucks that he got hurt driving something that was only 3 years old, that just disintegrated around him.

[mirage243]

Bob, we had us a little 8.20 boat this weekend, first time out with it, we'll have it fixed this week though. Boat ran straight and clean, no issues there and that's the most important thing with a new boat, as you well know.

It's a shame about the jet, it was squirreling around right out of the gate, then it was darting at the finish line, don't know what happened after that, too much water spray from my point of view.

[afr]

dam is this the boat
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964328_3154732844495_1541309322_o.jpg

[mirage243]

Yep, that's the one,. . . . . . . nice huh???. . . . . .did you do that fiberglass work? :D:D:D

[bp298]

Bob, we had us a little 8.20 boat this weekend, first time out with it, we'll have it fixed this week though. Boat ran straight and clean, no issues there and that's the most important thing with a new boat, as you well know.

It's a shame about the jet, it was squirreling around right out of the gate, then it was darting at the finish line, don't know what happened after that, too much water spray from my point of view.
Hey bill, that's great! is this an all new hull? or same hull with more power? Thought the one in your sig line was the same boat the deaton's have run for years?? (don't know why my "return" key won't work in here. Can't start a new paragraph). my feeling is, someone that's going to lay up a boat that's going to have 3000+ hp in it better know wtf they're doing. to have a 2 year old hull that's had repetitive issues, then completely disintegrate around the driver, is beyond ridiculous in this day and age. things have changed in layup technology over the past 15 years. there's no excuse for this crap.

[mirage243]

BP, sold the jet and bought a Hydro, Kurtis 501.

Your right about the fiberglass issue, . . . . . that's f***ed up.

[afr]

Yep, that's the one,. . . . . . . nice huh???. . . . . .did you do that fiberglass work? :D:D:D
come on now you know better then that bill
i cant even get my truck to run out of the county without troubles lol
nah i dont know what happen i just seen the picture and put two and two together with this thread and posted it

[bp298]

BP, sold the jet and bought a Hydro, Kurtis 501.

Your right about the fiberglass issue, . . . . . that's f***ed up.

bill, don't tell me it's red... :eek: are you still with the deaton's or is this a separate deal??? did you have to do any license passes????

[mirage243]

No, it's Yellow, Rock Guthries old boat, "Pure Insanity", yes I'm still driving for the Deatons, already had my 8 second license.

Will post pics of it tonight.

[specboatops]

already had my 8 second license. only 8 seconds:rolleyes::rolleyes: you must be getting slow in your old age buddy ;)

[jphii]

only 8 seconds:rolleyes::rolleyes: you must be getting slow in your old age buddy ;)

It's the fastest they let you go when you won't stop looking at the other lane....

[mirage243]

It's the fastest they let you go when you won't stop looking at the other lane....

Hard to see in the other lane from a capsule :D:D . . . . .guess I better stop at Pro Eliminator

[whipper]

dam is this the boat
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964328_3154732844495_1541309322_o.jpg

Holly crap!! Is this caused by more power than the hull could handle and the thrust pushed the motor threw the hull? Looks nasty. Must freek the Sh*T out of the driver seeing your bow buckling in front of you!!

[mirage243]

He never knew what happened till he stopped tumbling and the fog in his brain went away.

[Fl Boy in ILL]

WOW thats very nasty, I sure hope he's OK. I left before any of this happened so I didn't see it.

Rick

[afr]

thats my thoughts the motor came loose under wot and drove in the boat maybe it was just a simple miss calculation on hp /cause and effect
they will get it right
and from what i hear the driver / billy will recover

[jphii]

thats my thoughts the motor came loose under wot and drove in the boat maybe it was just a simile miss calculation on hp /cause and effect
they will ghet it right
anbd from what i hear the driver / billy will recover
I know you speak English, but I think your proof reader took the night of....

[afr]

I know you speak English, but I think your proof reader took the night of....
you know what i said lol

[jphii]

screw you you know what i said if your a racer

lo!!!

[afr]

lo!!!
thats right no one on this board is as crude as i am with my own stuff but it done break
i just dont have any backing

[specboatops]

I know you speak English, but I think your proof reader took the night of....

Hooked on Phonics didn't go well for him I assume Joe:eek::nonod:;):D

[bp298]

No, it's Yellow, Rock Guthries old boat, "Pure Insanity", yes I'm still driving for the Deatons, already had my 8 second license.

Will post pics of it tonight.
very cool bill. he was pretty successful with it, so i'm sure you will be too. yeah, new boats are challenging :). getting there with mine. for the other guys, nothing came loose in this boat and moved around. the 2 year old hull delaminated/cracked to catastrophic failure at speed. I've seen numerous jetboats that run 130-140 for years, and never seen or heard of anything like this before.

[sleekcrafter]

What a shame, the team was moving forward....

[robertpitter]

170?, i would like to see that :eek:

[mirage243]

170?, i would like to see that :eek:

Don't worry, you won't

[bp298]

Don't worry, you won't

dan kirkman has run in the 160s many times with his "awesome toy", blown alky stealth. stepping up the power just a little bit could find 170, but I don't think he cares as much about speed as he does et. at the last cdba race, he reportedly was running 5.30 1000 footers... I've seen the thing run several times. boat runs like it's on rails...

[GN107]

dam is this the boat
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964328_3154732844495_1541309322_o.jpg
This is a great picture! Would make a good poster. Hope everyone is ok

[bp298]

brad is fine. boat hull was crap, delaminated and came apart around him. very much like what happened to randy benson at wildhorsepass in September. except randy's was an old hull with a ton of laps on it. this one wasn't that.

[Lake X Kid]

This is a great picture! Would make a good poster. Hope everyone is ok

The photo above and below is why I think the best interest of Boat Racing Pilots reaching old age, is better served by utilizing safety capsules.

303340

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This is the aftermath of Ty Newton and Dave Bryant race boats colliding, at the San Diego Bay Fair 1999. The yellow-helmeted driver (in the attached photo) just ran over the top of the other race boat, turning the corner at the turn buoy.

These are still shot images that I took from the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQtDpR0ss_I

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[bp298]

The photo above and below is why I think the best interest of Boat Racing Pilots reaching old age, is better served by utilizing safety capsules.

303340

In light of the circumstantial evidence above (photo), regarding boat collisions, I am incline to support safety capsules. The walls of a safety capsule between an enclosed pilot, and another driver’s boat hull, seems to me to be an added protection. I would rather see a boat’s propeller chew-up a safety capsule, than the alternative.

This is the aftermath of Ty Newton and Dave Bryant race boats colliding, at the San Diego Bay Fair 1999. The yellow-helmeted driver (in the attached photo) just ran over the top of the other race boat, turning the corner at the turn buoy.

These are still shot images that I took from the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQtDpR0ss_I



not sure what any of that has to do with a jet boat that can theoretically run 170...

[mirage243]

I'm with ya BP . . . . . . . If ya wanna run 170 plus, buy a hydro

[albypine]

Lol ...........

[CharlieN]

Looking at the picture of this boat breaking up at speed it sure looks like the hull was at least partially a chopper gun layup. Sure not something I would expect to see in a high powered build. Obviously the original poster has not chosen to be around here in the past 3 years. Then again I would expect he got himself close to being charged for manslaughter.

[doubleeagle]

Looking at the picture of this boat breaking up at speed it sure looks like the hull was at least partially a chopper gun layup. Sure not something I would expect to see in a high powered build. Obviously the original poster has not chosen to be around here in the past 3 years. Then again I would expect he got himself close to being charged for manslaughter.

Come on Chopper gun what would make you say something like that. I have seen delams from the best of materials if not properly layed up but I sure don,t see any sign of a chopper gun from that picture.

[CharlieN]

I probably should have waited to finish my work for the week and study the image fully. Just now I zoomed in on the image, I do see both straight fiber as well as random fibers. So seeing straight fibers I now presume either uni or biax cloth, if biax then that might be where the random fibers are from such as 1708 or similar.

I could well be wrong here since I have not seen or read much on this boat breaking up. Did the boat go out of control and stuff or something or did the hull fail just on it's own.
The team's wordpress page has no information of value on it.
I can see if the construction was on the light side resulting in failure but to me these should be known to reduce the chance of it happening again.
Structurally this hull is still an open cockpit in such the upper deck offers a stress riser by design which happens to be right where this hull folded.
Had there been a full upper deck it would lend support allowing for lighter side structure.