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mirage243
01-26-2008, 05:05 PM
Who has the fastest 4-seater outboard drag boat out there? True lake boats that go fast.

pyro
01-26-2008, 05:20 PM
4-seat River Rocket, Mirage Ski Racer, Allison ss2000 Excel...

mirage243
01-27-2008, 01:06 PM
4-seat River Rocket, Mirage Ski Racer, Allison ss2000 Excel...Yea I know the brands, I'm asking who's individually, right now. Who claims to have the fastest one? I'm just curious.

Fl Boy in ILL
01-27-2008, 01:12 PM
I have seen Joe Perichesi run his Hydrostream Venom in the 10 sec class, can't remember if his is center steer or side with 2 buckets up front. It would run ~ 110 in the 1/4 on the rope

RIck

mirage243
01-27-2008, 01:56 PM
Rick, Surely you of all people know where I'm going with this one.

stoker2001
01-27-2008, 11:59 PM
I have seen Joe Perichesi run his Hydrostream Venom in the 10 sec class, can't remember if his is center steer or side with 2 buckets up front. It would run ~ 110 in the 1/4 on the rope

RIck
thats impressive,without spray??

Casey
01-28-2008, 07:24 AM
I would say Russ Bentley's side steer STV RR. It's a competitive Pro Gas boat. It's on the lake almost every weekend with a back seat and a cooler of beer. and trust me that cowling is just for show!

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Casey
01-28-2008, 09:01 AM
Rick, Surely you of all people know where I'm going with this one.

where?

mirage243
01-28-2008, 09:12 AM
where?
Just looking for my competition.

DCI
01-28-2008, 09:18 AM
Theres a race coming up in Alabama. That 4 seat Mirage would fit perfectly in bass&ski. see ya there. :D

mirage243
01-28-2008, 09:29 AM
What are the bass and ski rules?

Casey
01-28-2008, 09:56 AM
if you tell us about your boat and motor and we can help you out with a class and weight

DSRA Class Rules (http://www.dsraonline.com/files/2008DSRA.pdf)

ODBA Class Rules (http://www.odbaonline.com/files/2008.pdf)

mirage243
01-28-2008, 10:06 AM
Mirage Jaguar Ski Racer. 2.5 260, Brucato SVS, Brucato PCU, 26cc heads,20" mid, CLE lower, Boat weighs 1380 Without me in it. What else info is needed.

Casey
01-28-2008, 10:16 AM
If it's a stock 260 I would put a horn back on with an A-6 and run Lake Racer under Super Stock Rules @ 1550lbs in the ODBA or 1600lbs in the DSRA. The PCU is only allowed in Pro Gas or faster classes and your boat is just to heavy to be competitive.

mirage243
01-28-2008, 10:21 AM
Is the 1550 or 1600 lb rule with or without the driver?

Casey
01-28-2008, 10:55 AM
with driver, ready to go into water. no gas

DCI
01-28-2008, 12:42 PM
I was referring to The Thunder on Tholocco 3 in Ozark Al. The class is designed for heavier 4 seat boats and bass boats. There are no motor restrictions ,your boat will fit in perfect....800' no motor tech or weighing of boats. See Ya There.:D

mirage243
01-28-2008, 02:34 PM
What lake or river? I see where it has been changed to April 26/27. I was planning on going to Waco that weekend for a test and tune on the clocks, but the difference of the drive might change my mind.

DCI
01-28-2008, 04:19 PM
Its on the Ft Rucker army base.... Lake Tholocco. If your wanting to run a heads up race it doesn't get any more accommodating than this race for your set up.

mirage243
01-28-2008, 04:34 PM
Thanks DCI, I may come to that one instead of going to Waco.

Jason Smouse
01-28-2008, 11:12 PM
Yea I know the brands, I'm asking who's individually, right now. Who claims to have the fastest one? I'm just curious.

Andy Driver has the fastest lakeracer boat even though it only has 3 seats! He has proven it time and time again!

Jason Smouse
01-28-2008, 11:14 PM
Rick, Surely you of all people know where I'm going with this one.

Enlighten us, speek your mind! Inquiring minds would like to know where your going with this one!:eek:

DCI
01-28-2008, 11:54 PM
Jason don't be shy. He said 4 seater and thats you partner. That Triad amazes me every time I see that thing run, at how fast that big SOB is on the pad....one word impressive.

schiadart
01-29-2008, 01:09 AM
US1 has something that may make you think twice if you were going longer than a 1/4 mile

Casey
01-29-2008, 08:46 AM
Jason I think he was asking about the fastest true 4-seater outboard drag boat, which to me just meant any boat with 4 seats. you know if he was asking about a Lake Racer Boat I'd of used your name, since everybody knows Russ is scared to add weight to his boat and race you. :D

mirage243
01-29-2008, 09:22 AM
Enlighten us, speek your mind! Inquiring minds would like to know where your going with this one!:eek:I just wanted to know who my competition is. I'm talking about 750lb or so true lake boats that are competively drag racing. I wanna know who is the man to beat.

Casey
01-29-2008, 09:44 AM
Then I would say Andy (DCI) and Jason are the ones to shoot for. They are both at the top of the list

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Rusrog
01-29-2008, 12:14 PM
Then I would say Andy (DCI) and Jason are the ones to shoot for. They are both at the top of the list

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True dat...

Russ Bentleys STV is fast but he just has the wrong engine combo. 1900 was just too much weight for a stock dimensioned 153cid motor to carry and in an STV is was a loosing proposition. Now that he's got the lead out... If he could just drop 50 more #'s.... hmmmmmmmm

DCI
01-29-2008, 01:02 PM
Lets show a little respect to Lee Sanderson also. :D

lvnspeed
01-29-2008, 01:14 PM
243 where do you go boating in AL? I am building a 20' warhawk it probally wont be the fastest but sure would like to hangout with the fast people and maybe something will rub off on me.....

Casey
01-29-2008, 01:25 PM
yes there's other Lake Racer boats that run strong also, i just used the two of you since ya'll posted on this thread. and because i have a felling it started over something that was posted about Jason on another thread last week.

DCI
01-29-2008, 01:53 PM
I just didn't want ole Lee to feel left out.:D :D...I must of missed the other thread:eek:

mirage243
01-29-2008, 01:58 PM
IVNSPEED, I boat on Lake Wedowee, if you live in the Birmingham area, you would be less than an hour and half away. We are south of I-20, just east of the Georgia state line. You should get in touch with me and come over and check it out. I manage a Marina here on the lake. We have a little hot boat gathering during the summertime, and I try to run as many IHBA and SLDBA races as I can. It's tough being as busy as we are in the summertime, but I'll always make time to race.

mirage243
01-29-2008, 02:08 PM
i have a felling it started over something that was posted about Jason on another thread last week.
I don't even know Jason, I just wanted to know who had boats out there that were comparable to mine and how fast they were. I just wanna find out who I should be looking for if I make one of these DSRA or ODBA type events this year. I already know who my competition is in the 11 second bracket racing in IHBA and SLDBA. What post are you talking about and who is Jason?

Casey
01-29-2008, 03:10 PM
A hundred miles an hour in an 1/8?????? Please.

Jason is the red V-21 in the video from last week. I think your doubting the speed of some boats may have hit a nerve. here's another video from a few months ago at one our 660' play day get-togethers. about 6 of these boats ran over 110 in 660' and the rest ran close to 100. but don't take this as i'm trying to start something, just discussing and teaching. :D

drag race video thread (http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150281)

BYB Finale video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tHThDZMkejM)

mirage243
01-29-2008, 04:05 PM
Casey, I'm not trying to start any bs either. You guys must really have some fast outboards. Ya'll should come rope race with us in IHBA or SLDBA because you would kick everyones asses. I was just going through some brackets from some of our races last year and in the Top Eleminator and Modified Eliminator classes (9 and 10 second brackets) here is what I found. The fastest 3 times posted at Gadsden by an outboard was Ron Morton at 110.74 and 110.62 and Shawn Price at 110.62 in M/E and Ron ran 111.10 and 112.18 at Augusta. In T/E Jim Dunn ran 111.56, 112.56 at Gadsden and 112.54 and 112.42 at Augusta. I know for a fact that anyone of these guys can run faster big end numbers than this but will slow down considerably in et. Isn't that what drag racing is all about, ET. If you truly have outboards that will run 110 in 600' then you should bring them to Smokin' in the Cove next year. That race is 1000' feet, you'll be doing 150 by then. LOL No harm meant, just a good argument. Your turn.

Casey
01-29-2008, 04:51 PM
That race is 1000' feet, you'll be doing 150 by then.
I wish :D

I've been to a few bracket races and there cool and all, but rope racing is not our thing. we're all into heads up racing, where the fastest boat wins. and I know it's all about et, but isn't 110 kinda slow for a 9 sec boat. heck my boat runs 119 in the 1/4 at 1350lbs.

mirage243
01-29-2008, 05:04 PM
I don't doubt you a bit that your boat will run that type of speed in the 1/4 but i bet you can get there quicker if your trap speed slows down. My boat will run in the 110-115 range but my et numbers slow from 11.00 to say 11.50 or 11.60. It don't matter if you are rope racing or heads up racing the first man there wins, right?

Casey
01-29-2008, 05:56 PM
mines about right as far and mph and et go. that's pretty close to what everybody else in the class runs to. heck we're all turning close to 11K. should i prop down and watch it blow or prop up and get killed out the gate?

110-115 is a awful lot of mph for a set-up like yours.

jay j
01-29-2008, 07:49 PM
our race is april 26. you need to come. it is easy, inexpensive, as racing goes
and alot of good racers and fellowship. no big bragging just racing and people enjoying the sport. my brother was a band instructor in your town years ago. you're not that far. pm if you are interested and i'll help with anything i can. hate that it coincided with dsra, but maybe the next one i can keep that from happening. later jay

props4u2
01-29-2008, 09:44 PM
I don't doubt you a bit that your boat will run that type of speed in the 1/4 but i bet you can get there quicker if your trap speed slows down. My boat will run in the 110-115 range but my et numbers slow from 11.00 to say 11.50 or 11.60. It don't matter if you are rope racing or heads up racing the first man there wins, right?

It does matter in rope raceing, if you get there first and you were too quick, you won but you lost. Too confuseing for me!


Thanks for including the old man Andy!! :)


Lee

Jason Smouse
01-29-2008, 10:40 PM
[QUOTE=props4u2;


Thanks for including the old man Andy!! :)


Lee[/QUOTE] Hey Lee not takin aynthing from ya, question asked about the fastest! I'm the third behind YOU! Hats off to you also!:)

props4u2
01-30-2008, 12:40 AM
Hey Jason,
I didn't think a thing negative and was just teasing Andy for saying ole Lee.:D Guess if the shoe fits I have to wear it.:D I'm with Andy, your boat is impressive to say the least, the three of us are so close if any one of us blinks @ the wrong time the other one wins. Andy just never blinks. :)


Lee

Unchained
01-30-2008, 07:54 AM
My boats not an outboard but I'll throw my hat in the ring for the quickest and fastest 4 seater competition.

mirage243
01-30-2008, 09:15 AM
110-115 is a awful lot of mph for a set-up like yours.[/quote]
Thats not the setup I run because it cuts my et down, but it will do it. I run mid to high 90's consistently. You said your boat will run 119 in the 1/4 and you weigh 1350, mine weighs 1380. Anyway, the only reason I started this thread was to get more people involved in the sport. There are so many people out there who have boats that can compete in drag racing that don't race. I figure that if you stir the pot a little, we can convince them to come out and try it. I hope all the associations do well, but I wish we could all come under one umbrella, then the sport has a chance to really grow.

mirage243
01-30-2008, 09:16 AM
Unchained, I love your signature!!!!!

Casey
01-30-2008, 10:15 AM
You said your boat will run 119 in the 1/4 and you weigh 1350, mine weighs 1380 yes, but in racing organizations with class weights you add the boat weight (ready to race minus fuel) + the driver and gear = race weight.

so your boat would be 1380 + 200 (average guy) = around 1580 depending on you weight and gear.


I wish we could all come under one umbrella, then the sport has a chance to really grow it would be nice, but there are just to many types of racing.

props4u2
01-30-2008, 01:55 PM
There are three ODBA races this year that are only 1 1/2 to 3 hrs. away from you in Demopolis, Al., Wetumpka, Al. & Thomasville, Al. it would be great to see you make some of them. See www.odbaonline.com for schedules.


Lee

mirage243
01-30-2008, 02:10 PM
There are three ODBA races this year that are only 1 1/2 to 3 hrs. away from you in Demopolis, Al., Wetumpka, Al. & Thomasville, Al. it would be great to see you make some of them. See www.odbaonline.com (http://www.odbaonline.com) for schedules.


LeeI would love to but I was looking at the rules yesterday and I can't seem to see where I would fit in anywhere. Any help would be appreciated.

Casey
01-30-2008, 02:53 PM
Mirage Jaguar Ski Racer. 2.5 260, Brucato SVS, Brucato PCU, 26cc heads,20" mid, CLE lower, Boat weighs 1380 Without me in it. What else info is needed.



If it's a stock 260 I would put a horn back on with an A-6 and run Lake Racer under Super Stock Rules @ 1550lbs in the ODBA or 1600lbs in the DSRA. The PCU is only allowed in Pro Gas or faster classes and your boat is just to heavy to be competitive.

Lee will know better then me, but you may also fit under Lake Racer Super Gas rules @1640. I'm just not sure about the pcu?

is the long block stock?

mirage243
01-30-2008, 04:02 PM
is the long block stock?[/quote]
Not exactly but close, the thing is I'm committed to running SLDBA and IHBA and will be running SVS and Brucato PCU and a couple other things that don't fit into ODBA rules. I can't be swapping chit back and forth from week to week. I'll see what happens though.

DCI
01-30-2008, 06:56 PM
The PCU and SVS are legal in super gas. Whats been done to the block.

racerx
01-30-2008, 08:56 PM
110 to 115mph is way off for a mirage with a 260? I wll argue that to the end,,Smokin Joe Perocheesy has a very hard runnin Hydrostream,heck it dont run that fast and he is in the 10sec bracket...With a 24

stoker2001
01-31-2008, 12:06 AM
Casey, I'm not trying to start any bs either. You guys must really have some fast outboards. Ya'll should come rope race with us in IHBA or SLDBA because you would kick everyones asses. I was just going through some brackets from some of our races last year and in the Top Eleminator and Modified Eliminator classes (9 and 10 second brackets) here is what I found. The fastest 3 times posted at Gadsden by an outboard was Ron Morton at 110.74 and 110.62 and Shawn Price at 110.62 in M/E and Ron ran 111.10 and 112.18 at Augusta. In T/E Jim Dunn ran 111.56, 112.56 at Gadsden and 112.54 and 112.42 at Augusta. I know for a fact that anyone of these guys can run faster big end numbers than this but will slow down considerably in et. Isn't that what drag racing is all about, ET. If you truly have outboards that will run 110 in 600' then you should bring them to Smokin' in the Cove next year. That race is 1000' feet, you'll be doing 150 by then. LOL No harm meant, just a good argument. Your turn.
Mirage,you need to look at the 1/8 mile ETs/MPHs
I would bet Jim Dunns MPH at the 1/8 is close to 110
In decent air Jims boat will run 8.60s in the 1/4 without spray (i have seen it do it during test&tune at Firebird)
And Firebird is slow water for us bracket boats
Jims boat will smoke any ODBA or DSRA boat "cubic in per cubic inch/no spray per no spray" off the rope
I have three well respected friends from Arizona that are diehard ODBA/DSRA guys and for the life of me i cannot get them to run off the rope and there chit is mid nine second territory off of the rope (give or take)
I have measured up against them at the lake with my rope race tune
each to his own;)

Baja18
01-31-2008, 05:38 AM
Hey stoker2001, what Mirage hull are you running?.........Brad

stoker2001
01-31-2008, 07:49 AM
Hey stoker2001, what Mirage hull are you running?.........Brad
It is the one in the signature
97 Brad Collins River Racer@580LBs

mirage243
01-31-2008, 09:35 AM
110 to 115mph is way off for a mirage with a 260? I wll argue that to the end,,Smokin Joe Perocheesy has a very hard runnin Hydrostream,heck it dont run that fast and he is in the 10sec bracket...With a 24You took what I said way out of context, I'm the one saying that everyones boat don't run what they say it does(read the entire thread) as far as whether my boat wiil run 110 or not, you didn't read what I said(again) I said that it would not run but in the high 90's on an eleven second dial in, but if I wan't to run a big top end number and slow my et way down I can. The last race I ran this year I ran 98.6 in 1000' ft. with a 24, (if you'ld like me to I can post the time slip) what makes you think that I couldn't strap on a 28 and run 110. By the way it ain't perocheesy it's Perochesi and he ain't running a hydrostream now he's running a Quartershot and I'm well aware of how fast Jim and Joe are, You sound like I was bashing them, If you read the entire thread you would know that I was saying that guys with boats as heavy as mine ain't running 110 in 600' feet. LOL

mirage243
01-31-2008, 09:40 AM
Mirage,you need to look at the 1/8 mile ETs/MPHs
I would bet Jim Dunns MPH at the 1/8 is close to 110
In decent air Jims boat will run 8.60s in the 1/4 without spray (i have seen it do it during test&tune at Firebird)
And Firebird is slow water for us bracket boats
Jims boat will smoke any ODBA or DSRA boat "cubic in per cubic inch/no spray per no spray" off the rope
I have three well respected friends from Arizona that are diehard ODBA/DSRA guys and for the life of me i cannot get them to run off the rope and there chit is mid nine second territory off of the rope (give or take)
I have measured up against them at the lake with my rope race tune
each to his own;)Like I just said you need to read the entire thread, I'm agreeing with you on how fast Dunn is, I don't run the ODBA/DSRA, I rope race also. I'm agreeing with you. If you will read what I said the point I'm trying to make is that boats as heavy as mine don't run 110 in 600' !!!!

boatmanhp
01-31-2008, 11:42 AM
drag racing is not about speed never was and never will,there is other races for that,drag racing is all about ET,for as i far as i know the quickest allways wins unless you break out(unless you run a pro class) or red light,and if you guys really whnt to know how has one of the badest 4 seaters its setting right in my show room,carbon triad v21 with a 335 hp merc with 350 horse 3 stage nitrous system all on dedenbear 8 stage timer,i can make this boat do any thing i want,and it is ready to run,now ive seen 243s boat run at the cove and it can run the numbers and is hard to beat.

Baja18
01-31-2008, 01:40 PM
Thank you stoker2001, I was just curious if it was a Jaguar hull......I know it can be tuff to make one competitive in M/E, my hat's off to you.......Brad

Bob A
01-31-2008, 01:45 PM
When RacerX (Loser Jeff) says Perocheesy, he is saying it as a joke. Just a funny nickname we gave to Joe. I have run my River Racer with stock 260 at 10.70/104 with 24 Tillman. I also ran 11.00 sec dial in. I like running rope also but I definitely prefer heads up if you really want to see who has the better setup. P.S. Joe also has a very fast Hydrostream.

mirage243
01-31-2008, 03:28 PM
BoatmanHP, Was that the White and purple on? I think it was, nice boat. I remember it well.

racerx
01-31-2008, 05:28 PM
Boatman i have seen big horse power nitrous boats gettin beat by Allisons with no bottle,,,ask people about the rumble?

boatmanhp
01-31-2008, 05:38 PM
dude trust me this boat is no joke. the horse power is there and so is the set up.i sure anit scared of any allison boat or any boat as far as that goes.:D

boatmanhp
01-31-2008, 05:41 PM
yep 243 that is my white and purple triad v21 at the cove.

stoker2001
01-31-2008, 05:54 PM
Like I just said you need to read the entire thread, I'm agreeing with you on how fast Dunn is, I don't run the ODBA/DSRA, I rope race also. I'm agreeing with you. If you will read what I said the point I'm trying to make is that boats as heavy as mine don't run 110 in 600' !!!!
I am with you brotha:D
I live in Nor Cal so all we have out here is IHBA rope racing
I would never even think about towing 50 hours to an ODBA/DSRA event and not even get a time slip:rolleyes:
My Havasu Buds are diehard DSRA cats and i have to hear from them all the time "you are just racing the clock"
I think they are just afraid of a real time slip:p
Whoever said ODBA Pro Gas boats run 130mph in the 1/4,better back off the crack pipe:cool:

racerx
01-31-2008, 06:08 PM
Boatman that thing sounds like a wicked boat,whats something like that run at the cove? Thats got to be a rush smashing that kinda power from a dead stop in a v bottom...My buddys jet boat ran 6.00 there..

stoker2001
01-31-2008, 06:21 PM
yep 243 that is my white and purple triad v21 at the cove.
So how did you qualify,what class?
I would like to race the cove one of these years

Davey W
01-31-2008, 07:18 PM
what about the fastest 4 seat lake boat, 1/4 miles boring.:D :cool:

boatmanhp
02-01-2008, 09:01 AM
i had to sign up as a 9 sec boat because i run in SE class,now i didn't qualify for the first 16 i ended up in second 8 and once again ran 2 fast i just couldn't slow her down but i did get a check, plus i was spending more time with Mike Davis a new racer that we brought in to the world of drag boat racing witch qualified # 1 at his first race at popular bluff and brought a check home but losing to SAM baker in the finals , to me he was more important to get him to qualify than me,this year i will be running ME and mike will be running SE,in a LTV bass boat, i am building a Allison right now for a guy in Mississippi and he will start running in RR, and we will be bringing Glens old Screamin Stream a 350 hp nitrous venom hydrostream to sldba to run.i only use enough nos to win and i have a lot of nos:D

RBT
02-01-2008, 09:26 AM
what about the fastest 4 seat lake boat, 1/4 miles boring.:D :cool:

Michael Dixon, STV River Rocket 151.5 MPH

mirage243
02-01-2008, 09:57 AM
I am with you brotha:D
I live in Nor Cal so all we have out here is IHBA rope racing
I would never even think about towing 50 hours to an ODBA/DSRA event and not even get a time slip:rolleyes:
My Havasu Buds are diehard DSRA cats and i have to hear from them all the time "you are just racing the clock"
I think they are just afraid of a real time slip:p
Whoever said ODBA Pro Gas boats run 130mph in the 1/4,better back off the crack pipe:cool:It's real easy to talk chit when you can't post a time slip.

mirage243
02-01-2008, 09:59 AM
what about the fastest 4 seat lake boat, 1/4 miles boring.:D :cool:Boring? Are you nuts? Quarter mile drag boat racing is the last thing in the world that's boring.

Davey W
02-01-2008, 10:43 AM
Michael Dixon, STV River Rocket 151.5 MPHNow thats fast:D

Casey
02-01-2008, 10:49 AM
It's real easy to talk chit when you can't post a time slip.
why do you need a time slip to tell you that you lost? just ask everybody on the bank :eek:

Casey
02-01-2008, 10:52 AM
Whoever said ODBA Pro Gas boats run 130mph in the 1/4,better back off the crack pipe:cool:

expect for Bush, they all run 115-120

mirage243
02-01-2008, 10:58 AM
why do you need a time slip to tell you that you lost? just ask everybody on the bank :eek:
How many times do you have to run again, because there is an argument about who won? Just curious.

Davey W
02-01-2008, 11:00 AM
Boring? Are you nuts? Quarter mile drag boat racing is the last thing in the world that's boring.Yes i am a little nuts ,like to give it a try tho:D ,no of any drags in the northeast,

DCI
02-01-2008, 12:27 PM
If its at all possible, try to make it to the Ft Rucker race that way you can see first hand how fast some off the ODBA boats really are. Theres no weight restrictions so they'll all be running at there best.

mirage243
02-01-2008, 12:47 PM
If its at all possible, try to make it to the Ft Rucker race that way you can see first hand how fast some off the ODBA boats really are. Theres no weight restrictions so they'll all be running at there best.
I've just about made up my mind to come to Ft. Rucker instead of go to Waco that weekend. I've been to an awful lot of rope races, but this will be the first event of this type for me. I keep getting told by the ODBA/DSRA guy's that they have got the fastest stuff. I'm looking forward to it. Mine is a little heavy, but we'll see. I guess I better get out some 20's and 22's and start playing with them. Hope to see you there. Tell 'em to take it easy on us rope racers.

DCI
02-01-2008, 01:02 PM
Run the bass and ski class and you'll race against similar weght boats.:D

mirage243
02-01-2008, 02:13 PM
Has anyone ever at least put a stopwatch on these classes. What would a good competitive time be for 800' in the bass and ski class?

Riverratt
02-01-2008, 03:55 PM
Yes i am a little nuts ,like to give it a try tho:D ,no of any drags in the northeast,
NEODA races not that far away for you. Contact Jim Thompson "Liquid" on here

Davey W
02-02-2008, 11:41 AM
NEODA races not that far away for you. Contact Jim Thompson "Liquid" on hereCool,thanks:)

stoker2001
02-02-2008, 12:53 PM
It's real easy to talk chit when you can't post a time slip.
OK winter /cabin fever has gottin to me, i need a liquid 110mph fix:D
who is talkin chit,my IHBA division one M/E runner ups in points for 2006/2007 speaks volumes
Goto www.ihbaracing.com
look up Kevin Kraft "Whacker Smacker #561"
just found out last week at the IHBA Las Vegas awards ceromonies that my sorry azz won Sportsmen driver of the year for 2007
gotta give the "better half"some credit,couldnt of done it with out her:cool:
Mirage RR is a med/heavy layup that used to be are primary ski boat
It has never seen the bottle and my personnel best off the rope is 9.79 at 112mph in good air
best 1/8 is 5.39 at 103mph
take care

mirage243
02-02-2008, 02:29 PM
OK winter /cabin fever has gottin to me, i need a liquid 110mph fix:D
who is talkin chit,my IHBA division one M/E runner ups in points for 2006/2007 speaks volumes
Goto www.ihbaracing.com (http://www.ihbaracing.com)
look up Kevin Kraft "Whacker Smacker #561"
just found out last week at the IHBA Las Vegas awards ceromonies that my sorry azz won Sportsmen driver of the year for 2007
gotta give the "better half"some credit,couldnt of done it with out her:cool:
Mirage RR is a med/heavy layup that used to be are primary ski boat
It has never seen the bottle and my personnel best off the rope is 9.79 at 112mph in good air
best 1/8 is 5.39 at 103mph
take care
Wasn't directed at you, it was only directed at those ODBA/DSRA guy's that don't bracet race and can't say for sure what there boats run. Lot of difference in claiming something and proving it. Your a rope racer, you should be with me on this.

Ray Leach
02-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Wasn't directed at you, it was only directed at those ODBA/DSRA guy's that don't bracet race and can't say for sure what there boats run. Lot of difference in claiming something and proving it. Your a rope racer, you should be with me on this.

Mirage243--- I'm a little confused why you keep inquiring about heads up racing times in different venues ( 800'/1320') and then say they are talking "chit" because they can't "prove" it. You know they can't prove it, so why keep asking for answers you think are BS. What gives? You rope race.... we get it... got no problem with that... but if you really think the ODBA/DSRA guys are way off on what you're being told about they're speed/et ( undocumented as it is) then maybe you need to come give us all a speed check..... and bring your time slips... they'll probably be worth a tenth.

mirage243
02-02-2008, 04:47 PM
Now were gettin' somewhere, guys are getting stirred up now. We got ODBA "Race officials" even weighing in. Spring fever is in the air, cabin fever has got us all crazy. Mission accomplished for me. I've got a whole lot of guy's stirred up over this little thread. As far as that "speed check", I'm gonna be at Ft. Rucker and all ya'll can teach me a lesson. All I'm asking is that some of you guy's show up at one of them lame ass rope races and just see if you like it.

pyro
02-02-2008, 05:02 PM
Someone please explain to me what "rope racing" is. :confused: A quick Google search doesn't find this term being used anywhere else on the internet other than in some Worm War video game, haha...

SFRacing
02-02-2008, 05:09 PM
Someone please explain to me what "rope racing" is. :confused: A quick Google search doesn't find this term being used anywhere else on the internet other than in some Worm War video game, haha...


get a bunch of race boats with blown up motors, throw them a tow ROPE, line up and race. If the one you are towing gets across the finish before the one someone else is towing, you win!:D:D

mmassm
02-02-2008, 05:13 PM
Ft Rucker race ? Is this like SITC ? Weight, distance, mtr mods,classes,qualifying ?? Sounds like a road trip!! Currently running M/E 1/4 Master w/ junkyard Rude. Info appriciated, Thanks. Mike

Fl Boy in ILL
02-02-2008, 05:52 PM
Sent a PM, Braket racing

Freddie Webb
02-02-2008, 08:55 PM
Mike the rules are posted on general discussion under Thunder on the Tholocco(sp).

Ray Leach are you planning on being at Fort Rucker?

stoker2001
02-02-2008, 09:37 PM
Wasn't directed at you, it was only directed at those ODBA/DSRA guy's that don't bracet race and can't say for sure what there boats run. Lot of difference in claiming something and proving it. Your a rope racer, you should be with me on this.
Sorry,your post#72 was confusing me:confused:
hope to meet up with you at a race someday

Rusrog
02-02-2008, 10:03 PM
Wasn't directed at you, it was only directed at those ODBA/DSRA guy's that don't bracet race and can't say for sure what there boats run. Lot of difference in claiming something and proving it. Your a rope racer, you should be with me on this.

Your facts sound good but the only problem is that so much of what you know isn't correct. I can tell you for certain that most all of the ODBA\DSRA guys know well inside 1/10th of what their boats can run. Have you ever been to a horse track or a NEXTEL Cup test session??? Ever see a stop watch at those deals??? Yes... Lots of them. they must not have any clue about their performance either...

Just because you have an expensive set of lights and timers doesn't mean that you are more accurate. It simply means that there are lights & timers. It all depends on who set up the track and who set up the lights.

I promise you that some of the hardest hitting outboards in the country are racing ODBA & DSRA. They may not be hydro's and they may not run the big top end numbers but rest assured, when it comes to idle start, (not running start, we call that charging the lights)heads up drag racing... the best of the best are running ODBA & DSRA. And there ain't a one of them ever lost a race because he went too fast or too quick.

Russ

Fl Boy in ILL
02-02-2008, 10:18 PM
Well the original question was??????

Who has the badest 4 seater outboard drag boat?

So who and why are they the badest, I don't care if its heads up or bracket who is it???????

Russ you are correct about stop watches thats how I test before I go to the rope gives me a benchmark for any changes that are made, GPS will give you the speeds. Have never heard of a heads up guys loosing cause he was too quick unless it was charging the light, but you never heard of a rope racer having to tear his engine down when he won, get a trophy a check and come back next time. We have heard of me loosing cause I was too fast just part of the game for each different type.

I rope race cause they are closer and I haven't ever really fit into a ODBA/DSRA class, I sold my Ally drag cause my Mirage was more consistant, if I was racing heads up the ally would still be in the garage it was MUCH faster!!!!

Rusrog
02-02-2008, 10:51 PM
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with bracket racing. There are some EXTREMELY fast race boats out there and yeah... There is no tear down because there is nothing to be illegal.

I just get soooooooooo tired of people acting the heads up orgs are a bunch of slow assed idiots because we don't get a time slip. It's not the majority of the 'rope racers' that feel that way but it does seem like it's the loudest of them.

Just my un-solicited opinion.

Russ Rogers

Ray Leach
02-02-2008, 11:21 PM
Ray Leach are you planning on being at Fort Rucker?

Hey Freddie- I'm planning on attending right now. I'm rigging a brand new boat trying to get it ready for Chattahoochee which is our opener the weekend before Ft Rucker. Andy Driver has been telling me I gotta try one of these 800' deals so I guess that will be the one if all goes well.

Ray Leach
02-02-2008, 11:22 PM
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with bracket racing. There are some EXTREMELY fast race boats out there and yeah... There is no tear down because there is nothing to be illegal.

I just get soooooooooo tired of people acting the heads up orgs are a bunch of slow assed idiots because we don't get a time slip. It's not the majority of the 'rope racers' that feel that way but it does seem like it's the loudest of them.

Just my un-solicited opinion.

Russ Rogers

My feelings exactly Russ.

Unchained
02-03-2008, 07:55 AM
just found out last week at the IHBA Las Vegas awards ceromonies that my sorry azz won Sportsmen driver of the year for 2007


Congratulations Kevin ;)

Fl Boy in ILL
02-03-2008, 09:52 AM
Ray/Russ

By class where a 4 seater run who's the badest of them all?
I've only seen 2 names thrown out and I put out one, Joe Perichesi in his Venom and I think somebody said Russ Bentley in a Pro Gas 4 seater STV

I might have to add Kevin Bryant in his Triad V-21 with 280 and spray its fast when he needs it.

Thanks
Rick

Freddie Webb
02-03-2008, 09:59 AM
Russ, I think what mirage 243 is trying to do is get some of the odba/dsra racers to a rope race. I don't think he is trying to bad mouth the clubs. I go to both races when I can. I think it would be good to see some of the top runners show up to a rope race every now and then just to turn it loose and see what she will do. All racing organizations need as much participation as possible. "Together we stand divided we fall", that needs to be the mind set of all the boat racers no matter what club. I don't agree with all the rules in any of the clubs but I still do what I can to support the sport. I go to more rope races because I can go faster for less start up money and have the potential for more prize money. That is just the way things are for me, but everyone's situation is different. Now throw all the rocks you want, I do live in a glass house but all the windows are broken.

Rusrog
02-03-2008, 10:08 AM
From what I have seen it comes down to 3 of them. Lee Sanderson has a SS Allison that is rocket but frankly I think it would have to be between Jason Smouses V-21 Triad and Andy Drivers Hydrostream Venom. Jason had a slight mechanical problem in his boat last year at Jasper so while Andy won it fair & square... Jason was down just a few hundred RPM in the final couple of rounds. This year Jason will have a quart of LockTite and no excuses so it should be a hell of a show. Both are full interior lake boats and both are absolute rocketships.
Russ Bentley's STV is awful fast but his engine combo in legal Lake Racer trim makes it tough. He was having to weight 1900 #'s and with a stock dimension motor it was just too much weight to carry. HE was always close nooooo cigar. He has had much better luck stripping the boat down and running some ProGas while still being 60#'s heavy

Rusrog
02-03-2008, 10:22 AM
Freddie I have actually met you before(it's been several years now) and I respect that stuff you do and how you do it. Your one of the rope racers I was NOT talking about in my earlier post and if I did miss-read 243's post then please accept my apologies. Internet posts like these are tough to read as there is no concept of voice inflection, facial expression & body language so it's tough to get a real handle on someone's true meanings.

I do agree that it is easier financially to rope race due to the logistics, not having to build a motor & hull to suit a particular class. Believe me... It's crossed my mind several times. I have a SDBA race about 20 min from home. The closest DSRA race is a couple hours. I guess some of my issues come from the past. Used to be that if you had an outboard you were a second class citizen in our local 'rope racing' sanction. They really didn't like outboards and anyone entering got that impression. Obviously that has changed as there are several strong competitors out there with clamp-ons.

As for now... My stuff is slow. And I like to tinker so it's getting faster. I just don't want to have to set-it up, get it tuned for a class and then have to leave it alone or slow it down or worse yet... Lift before the finish to get a win??? I just couldn't do it.

BTW... Cool thread on the true Unlimited Hydro's. I like those pics and remember some of those days... Very cool.

Russ

jphii
02-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Hey Russ, Freddie's just about got me talked in to giving it a shot. One thing for sure, it's cheaper. Another big plus is that it pays out a hell of a lot more money if you can win.

I don't like the idea of lifting either, but I probably won't have that problem:D

racerx
02-03-2008, 10:59 AM
A true 4 seater,,would be a boat with side steer,do any of these boats you guys mention a true 4 seater? I have always said a steering wheel in the middle is not a true lake racer boat,,its is a center steer race boat,in my opinion,,if that matters...

Way2slow on H2O
02-03-2008, 11:21 AM
My Turn!!!!

I dont qualify in "4 seater" boat here, BUT, I do have a say in what I think is a true FAST 4 seater!!!

Jason Smouse...

That TERD of a boat at 7000 lbs impressed the sh*t outta me!!!!
If they were handing out trophys for "seat time" and Test & Tune" Jason's trophy would be 8' tall. :) (just be glad I trashed my lil 2 litre, lol)

Now, everyone wants to argue over these speeds in 1/8 mile, YES, these DSRA boats do run triple digits in 1/8 mile, seen it, loved it, and I'll see several more this year.

DON'T compare 1/8 speeds in 1/4 racing to straight up 1/8 mile racing. When using a 22 pitch prop and turning 10,800 with 2:1 gears, 110 is pretty close (give or take a few mph) but it's over at 660'... same setup at 1/4 mile would render MAYBE 110 mph if the boat didnt encounter any "scrubbing" for the next 1/8 mile. (yeah, the motor can handle the rpm, it's only 4 more seconds to finish)

When compared to my hydro in 1/8 setup, these DSRA boats are only a few mph slower than my speed. My top speed in 1/8 mile is only 116 - 118. Sounds slow??? It is in comparison. But, the launch is where it takes the longest to get up to speed. That's what impresses me with these heavy boats that can get gone so quick!!!

Ronnie
btw, do gas tanks and nitrous bottle count a seats? If so, mines a 4 seater, lmao...

props4u2
02-03-2008, 12:10 PM
My tank is a 4 seater side slide, the heaviest SS Allison builds.


Lee

Fl Boy in ILL
02-03-2008, 12:28 PM
Guys thanks thats what we are looking for, Mirage 243 has a full interior Mirage Ski Racer that he'll run in the 11 sec bracket class, would love to see some more cross over racing, yes sometimes you have to lift to win (not break out) if you come to a St Louis Drag Boat Association with a fellow member you get 1/2 price entry for both racers. Great deal for a new guy to try it.

I ran against Mike Watts at SITC and he was WICKED fast but had a hard time slowing down to win, we have a very strong outboard croud that runs KDBA and SLDBA and will help ANY outboard that comes and runs with us, Ray Neudecker is our OLD WISE MAN who is a set up expert in outboard brackets. I think we have more outboards than SDBA has but they are getting more and more, Russ go give it a try Rocket here on the board runs his Ally Drag in the 10 sec class and will help all he can.

There are a few rule things you need to know, a rope deflector is required, you need ballistic shorts and neck restraints, other than that the safety stuff is pretty much the same, oh yea long sleeve shirt and pants I know you guys can run short sleeve shirts.

Rick

Rusrog
02-03-2008, 01:06 PM
A true 4 seater,,would be a boat with side steer,do any of these boats you guys mention a true 4 seater? I have always said a steering wheel in the middle is not a true lake racer boat,,its is a center steer race boat,in my opinion,,if that matters...


Yep... Jason Smouse & Russ Bentley both run side steer boats with all the seats in when they run Lake Racer type sanctioned races. I am sure Andy Driver's seats are molded in but I can't remember if he has side steer or center. Also Jason & Russ are using their boats on the river most weekends as well. I've been 20 miles up river in Russ's boat with his ProGas motor purring right along and I've been riding around with Jason in his several times as well.

I'm a lucky son of a gun sometimes!!!

Russ

dicnasty
02-03-2008, 01:14 PM
My Turn!!!!

I dont qualify in "4 seater" boat here, BUT, I do have a say in what I think is a true FAST 4 seater!!!

Jason Smouse...

That TERD of a boat at 7000 lbs impressed the sh*t outta me!!!!
If they were handing out trophys for "seat time" and Test & Tune" Jason's trophy would be 8' tall. :) (just be glad I trashed my lil 2 litre, lol)

Now, everyone wants to argue over these speeds in 1/8 mile, YES, these DSRA boats do run triple digits in 1/8 mile, seen it, loved it, and I'll see several more this year.

DON'T compare 1/8 speeds in 1/4 racing to straight up 1/8 mile racing. When using a 22 pitch prop and turning 10,800 with 2:1 gears, 110 is pretty close (give or take a few mph) but it's over at 660'... same setup at 1/4 mile would render MAYBE 110 mph if the boat didnt encounter any "scrubbing" for the next 1/8 mile. (yeah, the motor can handle the rpm, it's only 4 more seconds to finish)

When compared to my hydro in 1/8 setup, these DSRA boats are only a few mph slower than my speed. My top speed in 1/8 mile is only 116 - 118. Sounds slow??? It is in comparison. But, the launch is where it takes the longest to get up to speed. That's what impresses me with these heavy boats that can get gone so quick!!!

Ronnie
btw, do gas tanks and nitrous bottle count a seats? If so, mines a 4 seater, lmao...are you sure that boat weight's 7000lbs.....:rolleyes:

Way2slow on H2O
02-03-2008, 02:49 PM
are you sure that boat weight's 7000lbs.....:rolleyes:

LMAO!!!, yeah, look at it, biggest dayummm boat in DSRA... 39' long and 10' tall!!! (Looks smaller cause it's so fast, lol) I had to stand up just to talk to him.

No seriously, pound for pound, he's got that ski boat running good!!!

Jason, how much does your boat weigh??? I know you told me, but Mr. Charlie was makin me nervous popping up every 3 minutes with fire wood and lighter fluid. :)

Ronnie

Way2slow on H2O
02-03-2008, 02:56 PM
Rick, there's only 10 outboards registered on the 2007 SDBA points page.

TE=2
ME=2
SE=2
RR=4

So you guys definately have more outboards.

Ronnie

Jason Smouse
02-03-2008, 03:32 PM
I step away for a while and this thread is still going strong! I'm sure (know) there are faster four seater boats out there I just happen to be racing mine "right now" with full interior! I'm sure the guy with the V21 carbon fiber boat and spray is way faster, as he should be! To make weight at our DSRA races I have to only add 15 lbs. to make 1700 lbs. This is with full interior,equipment and my 215# azz in the boat ready to race! :)

stoker2001
02-03-2008, 08:33 PM
Congratulations Kevin ;)
Thanks Mark,hope to see you at some of the Division1 IHBA races this comeing year

Casey
02-03-2008, 10:28 PM
I'm sure the guy with the V21 carbon fiber boat and spray is way faster, as he should be! do you really believe that?

dicnasty
02-03-2008, 10:44 PM
dude trust me this boat is no joke. the horse power is there and so is the set up.i sure anit scared of any allison boat or any boat as far as that goes.:Dsounds like he's the big dog.....

Jason Smouse
02-03-2008, 11:34 PM
do you really believe that?

I was going to call Wally tommorow and find out what it weights! I wasn't aware of an all carbon fiber V21 Triad!:eek:

boatmanhp
02-04-2008, 08:55 AM
jason ill tell you what it weights,883 hanging weight complete,includes full interior, stereo 4 speakers, 33 gal tank,ski bar,hyd streering, j plate, every thing just no motor, wallys boat weighted 920, at the time mne ended up being the lightest one, at least that is what i was told

boatmanhp
02-04-2008, 10:23 AM
I would also like to say that i did NOT say i had the fastest and do not want to be known as the fastest but just one of the fastest,there is alot of fast outboards out there,some race some dont,now if you look at heads up jasons and andys and russ's boats do come to mind and im sure there is more out there that we just dont see,then you have the rope racers,and dont forget the guys that have the fast weekend boats,there are a few out there that are fast to,i have alot of respect for the dsra and odba boys as well as the rope racers for each one that goes and puts his boat on the corse has all of my respect and we should all work together and build our sport up not tear it down,now my boat was not built to drag race,it was built to be a fast lake boat and show boat ,wally just did a great job of building what i wanted,thats why he is one of the best,but i do try and show the guys on the bank that do have fast boats that you dont have to have a single seater boat to race that can come later if they choose to,it just helps bring in new racers and we all need more of them.

Casey
02-04-2008, 11:22 AM
my 2001 (built fall of 2000) V-21 weighed 862lbs with full interior, steering, jack plate and gas tank. i'm not sure about the ski pole. wally laid it up pretty light, but didn't use anything exotic. the purple one he built for John Tiger is now owned by a friend of ours here in Houston and from what i recall Wally telling me one of the lighter ones he built. i know some of the wood in the floor and stringers is a little thinner and it's got quit a bit of kevlar. i saw the boat when it was being built and it was a work of art!

mirage243
02-04-2008, 02:47 PM
Wow, I've been gone for a day and a half and this thread seems to be purring along. I wan't all you guy's to know out there that I mean no disrespect to anybody that races anything. I've raced all kind's of stuff from unlimited modifieds to sprint cars to drag cars and most thing's in between. I use to race flat bottoms and then got bit by the outboard bug. My goal is to see outboards dominate in the 8.00 through river racer classes. For you guy's that don't know SITC was thoroughly dominated by outboards this year and the guys to beat at most SLDBA races are outboards. You know that when you go to an SLDBA race your gonna have to beat guy's like Conklin, Perochesi, Lipton, Jackson, Baker, Bond, Murphy,Schwartz, Morton, Dunn, and the list goes on and on. The cost of getting in is relatively cheap and the purse money is good, boat turnout is good and the races move along quickly. Most DSRA/ODBA guy's know there boats well enough to make a pass, get a time slip and adjust. As Rick mentioned there are a lot of knowledgable guy's there that will help. I only went to three races this year with my outboard, I bought the boat 2 weeks before Gadsden and with a lot of help from Rick and the outboard gang we were as good as anybody by the third race. I will say this, the rope and the lights can be difficult, I had an advantage there because of all my flatbottom seat time, but it can be picked up quickly. I'm gonna do my part and support all the ODBA type events that I can. I'm encouraging all you guy's to just show up and get in where you fit in. It's a ball of fun and with some more fast outboards there we can put a lot of car motors on the trailer. I'll be looking for all you fast four seater's that have been mentioned. I may get beat by them all, but I'll guarantee that you'll remember who you raced.